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| Skytoucher
User ID: 332304
12/21/2007 1:18 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
If the sun refused to shine
I don't mind, I don't mind
If the mountains, fell in the sea
Let it be, it ain't me.
Got my own world to live through and uh, ha!
And I ain't gonna copy you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227877
12/21/2007 1:21 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Quoting: xcyanoticx 341505
Nice one, i agree with a lot of what this guy has to say.
He thinks quite similarily to me. His website is great. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342925
12/21/2007 1:26 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
when i think of the 3 comets i think of the 3 wise men, any relations to this at all in the revelations or likewise? Quoting: Abbadon
The "wise men from the East" who came to adore Jesus in Bethlehem (Matthew 2).
[link to www.newadvent.org]
That the Magi thought a star led them on, is clear from the words (eidomen gar autou ton astera) which Matthew uses in 2:2. Was it really a star? Rationalists and rationalistic Protestants, in their efforts to escape the supernatural, have elaborated a number of hypotheses:
The word aster may mean a comet; the star of the Magi was a comet. But we have no record of any such comet.
The star may have been a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn (7 B.C.), or of Jupiter and Venus (6 B.C.).
The Magi may have seen a stella nova, a star which suddenly increases in magnitude and brilliancy and then fades away.
These theories all fail to explain how "the star which they had seen in the east, went before them, until it came and stood over where the child was" (Matthew 2:9). The position of a fixed star in the heavens varies at most one degree each day. No fixed star could have so moved before the Magi as to lead them to Bethlehem; neither fixed star nor comet could have disappeared, and reappeared, and stood still. Only a miraculous phenomenon could have been the Star of Bethlehem. it was like the miraculous pillar of fire which stood in the camp by night during Israel's Exodus (Exodus 13:21), or to the "brightness of God" which shone round about the shepherds (Luke 2:9), or to "the light from heaven" which shone around about the stricken Saul (Acts 9:3).
The philosophy of the Magi, erroneous though it was, led them to the journey by which they were to find Christ.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 339005
12/21/2007 1:28 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Jakarta Indonesia prepare for tidal waves tomorrow  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 338226
12/21/2007 1:30 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Fuck Indonesia is getting hit hard right now. The bird flu and now severe weather, I hope most get out ok. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342344
12/21/2007 1:31 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
The Mayan's didn't use the birth of Christ to set up their calendar, so when it was encountered by Europeans, it was correlated with the European calendar1. So, the start corresponds to our Gregorian August 11, 3114 BC. If the Gregorian calendar is off and we have to add five years to all dates, then we are "really" at 2012, but the Mayan calendar "ends" (actually, restarts) five years later too, in 2017
The Mayan calander is simply a record of patterns related to the earth's movement, which can be translated to days. Therefore, when it's said that the Mayan calander ends in 2012, they mean that the record of days runs out in what would be our 2012.
Or to put it another way, the calander was said to end in 2012 by the person or persons who translated it in terms of their calander, the Gregorian calender.
So to answer your question, the end of the Mayan calander is (most likely, IMHO) still in OUR 2012.
the Mayan calendar doesn't end in five years anyway; it rolls over. There are enough different counts of calendars out there that some kind of rollover happens all the time, but we don't know about it, because we don't know those calendars. Seven years ago, there was a rollover of the Gregorian calendar. People predicted the end of the world
To summarize: The Mayan calendar rolls over (not ends) in a little over five years from now (exact date is subject to some debate). No matter what we call our current date, be it 2007, 2012, or 28,734,873, it's still five years away from *now*.
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The center of the galaxy is in the constellation Sagittarius. The rotational axis of the Sun never points at Sagittarius.
Ancient cultures around the world have went to enormous lengths to measure this movement and the question remains why. To look at all the monoliths, temples and pyramids and imagine all the effort it must have taken is astounding. Some of the Egyptian temples were even rebuilt every few centuries to account for the precession in order to keep an accurate alignment and this happened several times. I can't imagine that all this effort was just for a good horoscope reading. Nevertheless what remains of astrology now is not even close to what it used to be.
We know pretty precisely where the centre of the galaxy is in the sky, because the central black hole is a radio source. We also have a galactic coordinate system in the sky, with zero longitude aligned with the galactic centre (though not precisely with the Sgr A* black hole).
It so happens that the sun passes through that part of the sky around December 21 every year. In 2012 it isn't aligned with either the galactic coordinate system or the black hole, but it's close to them. It's closer to them in other years.
( From the BAUT Forum's ) |
| ACDC
User ID: 340117
12/21/2007 1:41 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
For those who have any memory, you will recall all the spiritualists in the late 1970s said that the Earth was DEFINITELY going to turn on it's axis and everything destroyed in 1999. Of course absolutely nothing happened. It was business as usual. And I bet my life that Dec 23 2007 will come around and.. you guessed it... absolutely nothing is going to happen. And 2012 will roll on in and... you guessed it.... same old shit on all levels.. situation normal... |
| Abbadon
User ID: 341112
12/21/2007 1:42 PM
 | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
The Mayan's didn't use the birth of Christ to set up their calendar, so when it was encountered by Europeans, it was correlated with the European calendar1. So, the start corresponds to our Gregorian August 11, 3114 BC. If the Gregorian calendar is off and we have to add five years to all dates, then we are "really" at 2012, but the Mayan calendar "ends" (actually, restarts) five years later too, in 2017
The Mayan calander is simply a record of patterns related to the earth's movement, which can be translated to days. Therefore, when it's said that the Mayan calander ends in 2012, they mean that the record of days runs out in what would be our 2012.
Or to put it another way, the calander was said to end in 2012 by the person or persons who translated it in terms of their calander, the Gregorian calender.
So to answer your question, the end of the Mayan calander is (most likely, IMHO) still in OUR 2012.
the Mayan calendar doesn't end in five years anyway; it rolls over. There are enough different counts of calendars out there that some kind of rollover happens all the time, but we don't know about it, because we don't know those calendars. Seven years ago, there was a rollover of the Gregorian calendar. People predicted the end of the world
To summarize: The Mayan calendar rolls over (not ends) in a little over five years from now (exact date is subject to some debate). No matter what we call our current date, be it 2007, 2012, or 28,734,873, it's still five years away from *now*.
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The center of the galaxy is in the constellation Sagittarius. The rotational axis of the Sun never points at Sagittarius.
Ancient cultures around the world have went to enormous lengths to measure this movement and the question remains why. To look at all the monoliths, temples and pyramids and imagine all the effort it must have taken is astounding. Some of the Egyptian temples were even rebuilt every few centuries to account for the precession in order to keep an accurate alignment and this happened several times. I can't imagine that all this effort was just for a good horoscope reading. Nevertheless what remains of astrology now is not even close to what it used to be.
We know pretty precisely where the centre of the galaxy is in the sky, because the central black hole is a radio source. We also have a galactic coordinate system in the sky, with zero longitude aligned with the galactic centre (though not precisely with the Sgr A* black hole).
It so happens that the sun passes through that part of the sky around December 21 every year. In 2012 it isn't aligned with either the galactic coordinate system or the black hole, but it's close to them. It's closer to them in other years.
( From the BAUT Forum's ) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342344
mayan calendar started 3117 BC, in the count for 3113BC they didnt include the tropical years int he translation.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343363
12/21/2007 1:48 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
"Your consistantly flawed logic that shows how your conditioned mind works Show your weakness in Character.
Just by saying that you would only believe it if it was in the papers or on Fox news shows me that you have no grasp of reality. Funny how a lot of your type show exactly the same conditioned reactions.
Your in for a shock."
No wonder people take a pop at you when you reply to people in this way.
If we are in for a shock perhaps you could let us in on the big secret - you know, the one you continually keep skirting around. If you know that we will be in for a shock, you obviously must have an idea.
WTF will happen oh enlightened one? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342925
12/21/2007 1:50 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Some of the Egyptian temples were even rebuilt every few centuries to account for the precession in order to keep an accurate alignment and this happened several times. I can't imagine that all this effort was just for a good horoscope reading. ( From the BAUT Forum's ) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342344
Exactly, it's the ACCURACY that's so important !!
..so things may seem close in 2012, and sometimes things even have been closer before, but not precisely where things should be to have the 'predicted' events, whatever those might be... |
| OP
User ID: 227877
12/21/2007 1:50 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
For those who have any memory, you will recall all the spiritualists in the late 1970s said that the Earth was DEFINITELY going to turn on it's axis and everything destroyed in 1999. Of course absolutely nothing happened. It was business as usual. And I bet my life that Dec 23 2007 will come around and.. you guessed it... absolutely nothing is going to happen. And 2012 will roll on in and... you guessed it.... same old shit on all levels.. situation normal... Quoting: ACDC 340117
Can you show me anywhere i say anything about a pole shift or about everything being destroyed.
Is it normal to attempt to post knowingly when not aware of the subject you are talking about?
If your old enough to remember the 70s , your old enough to know better. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227877
12/21/2007 1:53 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Some of the Egyptian temples were even rebuilt every few centuries to account for the precession in order to keep an accurate alignment and this happened several times. I can't imagine that all this effort was just for a good horoscope reading. ( From the BAUT Forum's )
Exactly, it's the ACCURACY that's so important !!
..so things may seem close in 2012, and sometimes things even have been closer before, but not precisely where things should be to have the 'predicted' events, whatever those might be... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342925
Its not 2007 or 2012 that is important.
Its the allignment on the 23rd that is significant, it matters not what year it is in, it just matters when it is, and it is in 2 days.
The birth of a new era. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342344
12/21/2007 1:56 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Isn't the 24th? the "Day of Destiny" Since all this goes down around 2 a.m then? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343363
12/21/2007 1:56 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
"Its the allignment on the 23rd that is significant, it matters not what year it is in, it just matters when it is, and it is in 2 days.
The birth of a new era."
The alignment is already in place. Planets move so slowly that you might aswell accept that this is it and nothing has and will happen |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343326
12/21/2007 1:58 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
true that!!!
i think its humorous that this event can be pinpointed to a specific hour |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342925
12/21/2007 1:59 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Some of the Egyptian temples were even rebuilt every few centuries to account for the precession in order to keep an accurate alignment and this happened several times. I can't imagine that all this effort was just for a good horoscope reading. ( From the BAUT Forum's )
Exactly, it's the ACCURACY that's so important !!
..so things may seem close in 2012, and sometimes things even have been closer before, but not precisely where things should be to have the 'predicted' events, whatever those might be...
Its not 2007 or 2012 that is important.
Its the allignment on the 23rd that is significant, it matters not what year it is in, it just matters when it is, and it is in 2 days.
The birth of a new era. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 227877
ehh I agree with that :)
I'm dutch, maybe my reply looked like I agreed with the poster because of the word "exactly" but that is not the case. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342344
12/21/2007 2:00 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
If you look at the entire life of the universe, day's mean nothing, hours mean nothing! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343334
12/21/2007 2:10 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
and you mean nothing |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 335993
12/21/2007 2:15 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
i think its humorous that this event can be pinpointed to a specific hour Quoting: Anonymous Coward 343326
No it isn't on 24 Dec 2007 around 4.00 GMT
You have a conjunction moon-mars.
The (full) Moon You can see as a mirror
reflecting all energies of the 'planets' extra.
This constellation will have a big impact
on Humankind, we will see if it is in the
physical plane or rather 'higher' planes.
All the Best,
VVizz of Ur |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343387
12/21/2007 2:44 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Just looking at the first few pages of this thread MJ has stated the following about the Dec. 23rd alignment. Some are stated as fact and some are possibilities.
Incredible Event
Sun on Nov 30 Was The Calm Before the Storm
Moon to Turn Blood Red
Horrendous Weather and Earth Movements
Something Unbelievable Will Happen
Three Comets Will Be Visible
Things To Get Extremely Strange
Pointing to Floods and Tornados this year as Evidence
We Will See A Lot More High Winds (example - 120mph) In The Next Couple of Weeks from Dec. 3
Solar Activity to Pick Up In The Coming Weeks from Dec 3
Unenlightened People (with nothing) Will Die During the Cataclysm in MJ's vision
Day of Destiny
Earth Movements Will Get Quite Bad In The Coming Weeks from Dec. 5
Lesser Alignments Have Caused Chaos and the Big Tsunami
Nope, no DOOM here. No accuracy either. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342344
12/21/2007 2:45 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
Just looking at the first few pages of this thread MJ has stated the following about the Dec. 23rd alignment. Some are stated as fact and some are possibilities.
Incredible Event
Sun on Nov 30 Was The Calm Before the Storm
Moon to Turn Blood Red
Horrendous Weather and Earth Movements
Something Unbelievable Will Happen
Three Comets Will Be Visible
Things To Get Extremely Strange
Pointing to Floods and Tornados this year as Evidence
We Will See A Lot More High Winds (example - 120mph) In The Next Couple of Weeks from Dec. 3
Solar Activity to Pick Up In The Coming Weeks from Dec 3
Unenlightened People (with nothing) Will Die During the Cataclysm in MJ's vision
Day of Destiny
Earth Movements Will Get Quite Bad In The Coming Weeks from Dec. 5
Lesser Alignments Have Caused Chaos and the Big Tsunami
Nope, no DOOM here. No accuracy either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 343387
What a champ. |
| EDEL
User ID: 310901
12/21/2007 2:49 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I was born on 12/24/1960 at 1:10 AM. Anyone here can tell me how this alignment will affect me. I am a capricorn.
Quoting: Edel 310901
and I have Jupiter in the seventh house, but what the heck would happen in that house for me when it turns into a sun. Aaah my sister should have been here, she's the astrology expert in my family, I'm almost blank
Does anybody here have any response to this. PlEASE. |
| Tlaloc
User ID: 212074
12/21/2007 2:56 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333938
12/21/2007 3:03 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way. Quoting: Tlaloc 212074
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342344
12/21/2007 3:30 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way.
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333938
What happens tomorrow? Can you give me a run down? So i'm not shocked. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325004
12/21/2007 3:32 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way.
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333938
That makes sense since it's Sabbath. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343407
12/21/2007 3:35 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way.
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd.
What happens tomorrow? Can you give me a run down? So i'm not shocked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342344
Hey its tomorrow in Australia, it is raining finally, what is supposed to happen today.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325004
12/21/2007 3:36 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way.
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd.
What happens tomorrow? Can you give me a run down? So i'm not shocked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342344
The sky will become brighter and the satellites will go out. I don't know, but that just appeared in my head. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343363
12/21/2007 3:37 PM | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I'm starting to think some people who have responded to this thread are aware of exactly what will become visible that day, they know the places and the persons and the consequences, but they can't tell. They won't ruin it that way. Quoting: Tlaloc 212074
You're exactly right. I know precisely what will happen over the crucial next three days.
ABSOLUTELY FECK ALL!!!!
For backup for my point, here is a fact. There is no connection to the planets of our solar system and events on Earth. The Sun provides heat/light. The Moon stabalises Earth with its gravatational pull. Jupiter helps us because of it's vast size - it pulls comets towards it rather than us. Notice that these things occur ALL THE TIME. To repeat what will happen over the next three days:
ABSOLUTELY FECK ALL!!!! |
| Raised Crow
User ID: 212074
12/21/2007 3:38 PM
 | | Re: December 23rd 2007 - The Day of Destiny | Quote |
I know, but much of it happens tomorrow, not on the 23rd. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333938
Ok now it's even more pressing. What do I do with the time before then?
-party
-prayer
-survival prep
-nothing
-smile
-get informed
I'm calm and I know stuff now.
Enoch's complete messages at [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Key to the ages: [link to z14.invisionfree.com]
The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to love the color of jade and the thrilling scent of flowers, but more so man, who is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, so the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels. Man must give birth to himself every day"
-Several. 48, 48, 48 |
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