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Breaking: Amtrak Train Slams Into Freight Train

 
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Breaking: Amtrak Train Slams Into Freight Train
CHICAGO (Nov. 30) - An Amtrak train plowed into the back of a freight train and crushed one end of a boxcar under its wheels Friday, injuring dozens of people, some seriously. Most of the 187 passengers walked away unhurt.

Passengers were hurled into the seats in front of them in the accident on the city's South Side, and four people had to be pulled from the front of the train, where the engine was located, authorities said.

The collision sent 71 people to a dozen hospitals, most of them in stable or good condition, according to the Chicago Fire Department. Five people were taken from the scene in serious to critical condition.

The cause of the wreck was not immediately known.

The damage to the passenger train was mostly to its engine, where some of the five Amtrak workers aboard were, authorities said. It was unclear how many of them were hurt. The train's three double-decker passenger cars remained upright.

No one was in the portion of the Norfolk Southern freight train that was struck, and neither of the two workers aboard was hurt.

Amtrak passengers, many of them carrying winter coats and luggage, streamed off the train with the help of rescue workers. Some held the hands of children; others were taken away on stretchers and backboards.

Coert Vanderhill, 60, of Holland, Mich., said the train was approaching the station at 15 to 20 mph when the engine "just ran right up the tail end" of the freight train.

"Everybody just hit the seat in front of them," he said.

Vanderhill, who had come to Chicago to visit his children, had a small cut on his nose and said most of the other passengers also had minor injuries.

University of Chicago Medical Center got 13 patients, three of them in serious to critical condition, spokesman John Easton said. He said none of the patients had injuries that appeared to be life-threatening and he expected most people to be treated and released.

Cook County's Stroger Hospital was caring for another 25 patients, all with minor injuries, spokesman Sean Howard said. At Advocate Christ Medical Center, spokeswoman Deb Song said six of the 10 patients there were to be treated and released, and the rest were in fair or stable condition.

The Amtrak train was en route from Grand Rapids, Mich., to Chicago. The freight train was traveling from Elizabeth, N.J., to Chicago.

Norfolk Southern spokesman Rudy Husband said he had no details about what caused the accident or what the freight train was carrying.

Amtrak spokesman Derrick James said it was unclear which train was in the wrong place. He said Amtrak shares the track with Norfolk Southern, which owns it. He also said he did not know if the freight train was moving or stationary when it was struck.

James said Amtrak was awaiting information from an event recorder, a device similar to the black boxes on airliners. The National Transportation Safety Board sent investigators.

James said of particular interest is what the signals were before the Amtrak train got to the spot where the collision occurred.

Interim Police Superintendent Dana Starks said the accident was recorded by a camera on a nearby post and the footage would be turned over to investigators.

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Re: Breaking: Amtrak Train Slams Into Freight Train
For details, this Amtrak Trains Discussion Board has a thread going about the accident:

[link to discuss.amtraktrains.com]

These guys talking about it are railfans and have a better grasp on the factors involved than the general public or the media.
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Surely the thread should be

'Not braking: Amtrak Train Slams Into Freight Train'

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Weird timing. I just was on amtrak's site last night looking at prices for the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle. This accident will put my idea on pause mode.

I wonder if human error will once again be the cause.
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Weird timing. I just was on amtrak's site last night looking at prices for the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle. This accident will put my idea on pause mode.

I wonder if human error will once again be the cause.
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Oh don't let that stop you, I am dying to take the Empire Builder again, haven't taken it since high school, I want to take it home to Minnesota from out here on the west coast.

Did you see the "Hot Deals" page where if you can travel within a week or so you can get super great prices, I looked at the Empire Builder there a few weeks ago, 90.00 one way coach, from Seattle to Minneapolis, wow I hope I can get a price like that in February and go back.

I joined the Guest Rewards program too and have been racking up miles, I use the Cascades service and also got the credit card that gives you miles and has a big signup bonus.

The Empire Builder is the flagship train of Amtrak, it's been completely refurbished recently.
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Weird timing. I just was on amtrak's site last night looking at prices for the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle. This accident will put my idea on pause mode.

I wonder if human error will once again be the cause.

Oh don't let that stop you, I am dying to take the Empire Builder again, haven't taken it since high school, I want to take it home to Minnesota from out here on the west coast.

Did you see the "Hot Deals" page where if you can travel within a week or so you can get super great prices, I looked at the Empire Builder there a few weeks ago, 90.00 one way coach, from Seattle to Minneapolis, wow I hope I can get a price like that in February and go back.

I joined the Guest Rewards program too and have been racking up miles, I use the Cascades service and also got the credit card that gives you miles and has a big signup bonus.

The Empire Builder is the flagship train of Amtrak, it's been completely refurbished recently.
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If I was going to travel for 40-some hours on a train, I'd get the economy sleeper. Wisconsin Dells to Seattle looks to be around $400. The price of coach is 143 bucks but I'm dubious about being able to sleep off my alcohol buzz in an upright position.
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If I was going to travel for 40-some hours on a train, I'd get the economy sleeper. Wisconsin Dells to Seattle looks to be around $400. The price of coach is 143 bucks but I'm dubious about being able to sleep off my alcohol buzz in an upright position.
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Yeah everyone on the rail forums says "don't do coach" cross country like that. I think the economy sleeper term is "roomette", that would be the way to go. However one guy was saying, the first night out he can't sleep anyway, so he doesn't pay the extra for the roomette, he gets it for the second night. I thought that made sense?
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If I was going to travel for 40-some hours on a train, I'd get the economy sleeper. Wisconsin Dells to Seattle looks to be around $400. The price of coach is 143 bucks but I'm dubious about being able to sleep off my alcohol buzz in an upright position.

Yeah everyone on the rail forums says "don't do coach" cross country like that. I think the economy sleeper term is "roomette", that would be the way to go. However one guy was saying, the first night out he can't sleep anyway, so he doesn't pay the extra for the roomette, he gets it for the second night. I thought that made sense?
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At further risk of derailing this thread, yes it is a roomette and thanks for your input into the Empire Builder experience. I know the EB is pretty nice to travel in considering the condition of the American rail system.

I've been wanting to take the EB across the country for decades...just never had a good chance until now. I worked for twenty years at a place right in the corner of where the Milwaukee Road (Amtrak line) and the SOO Line cross. Yep, a little town called Pewaukee in WI. Geez, dozens of trains went by every day including the circus train in summer.

Edit, Oh, can you tell I'm a train buff?...lol
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Hey Munster, I wonder if you could swing a stopover at Glacier Park, stay overnight, take a tour bus while you're there, don't know what is running during the winter months. Have you ever spent any time there? Seems a shame to just blow through there and not stop if you have never been there.

This railroad thing is contagious, I talk to the staff at the station here and the train staff and their enthusiasm kind of rubs off. Then I go on the rail forums and I like the demographic, old white guys, it's like birding, maybe someday if I'm single I'll go where the railfans hang out as well as go on birding excursions LOL. Heads up girls that's where the old white guys with money are! :-)

Okay that's just my way to joke around. Actually since I don't drive my interest in trains is entirely natural! How the hell else am I supposed to get anywhere now that flying sucks?
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Hey Munster, I wonder if you could swing a stopover at Glacier Park, stay overnight, take a tour bus while you're there, don't know what is running during the winter months. Have you ever spent any time there? Seems a shame to just blow through there and not stop if you have never been there...
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Now that the dust has settled on my train-ride fantasy, I'll probably just wait until the summer solstice time period for maximum viewing capability. No sense going on a scenic journey when I can't see the scenes.

But about Glacier National Park, I absolutely would like to take a day or two there. A friend told me it was one of the most beautiful and visually stunning places in America and she had pics to back it up.
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I hear you about the short days, it is kind of nuts to go through all that scenery in the dark. The seasona price difference affects my plans, plus I did go home in June last year and it was pretty warm there, we are spoiled on the Northwest coast, I don't think it got above 75 here once last summer.

I kind of miss winter in MN a little bit and would love to take a train there in the winter and go across frozen North Dakota. Hey if there was snow cover and a moon, it could be as bright as day anyway. But you can only hope for snow, no guarantees.

Are you in Chicago? Did you ever take the Empire Builder across Wisconsin to the Twin Cities? That can be super reasonable and the part where you go along the Mississippi is really scenic. We went down to Chicago for a convention on the train once, it was super enjoyable. Back then you could smoke on the train too in the view car. We smoked cigs and talked with people, it was a great trip. ( I quit for good but can still reminisce!)
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Hey merc, I feel guilty that we digressed from the topic the OP intended. That said, we are the only posters lately anyways...lol. Maybe someone will start up a train buff thread.

Anyway, back on topic. Has anyone heard anything new on the accident?
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Hi Munster, I don't think The Resident minds that we derailed her thread. And here's a link to a thread I started posing the question "Are any GLPers railfans?" a while back, it got some responses:

Thread: Are any GLPers railfans?

I haven't looked for updates about the Chicago accident but there are 4 active train forums that I look in on occasionally. Hey I am riding the Amtrak tomorrow morning! The Cascades to Canada.

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