Politics...as usual?

Cool! now we will get chewed out if we talk about Noory here!

I know! What's with the Thread Police?!

A couple hours ago I got myself banned from posting. I had replied to a post and included a link to a political website (on the GN Sucks thread)that apparently was a no-no according to the "Godlike" ones.

P.S.
yes , I got myself re-instated!

Wait! What's this? You got banned for not knowing there was a website you could not provide a link to?! That's crazy. How did you get yourself re-instated?

Because of the level of spam we deal with, some links and words are checked for by a spambot, and if used will result in an auto-ban. When anyone is banned, they can email [email protected] and ask for help from the mods in getting the ban lifted. If it appears that the action causing the ban was unintentional, we will remove the ban immediately.

When you push the "post" button, if there are any forbidden words or websites included in your post or reply, the GLP system throws up a page that says:
YOUR IP IS BANNED FROM POSTING

They list an email for you to contact to see if you can get the ban lifted. (They usually do lift it)

I've been dumped twice now.

Remember that "other" bulletin board you aren't supposed to mention here? (It is really a joke.

Good to know. Wow, you guys are really on the ball. I just posted my previous post not 10 minutes ago!

The bad thing when you are bannned and the re-instated, you can loose your original ID number ( I used to be 264802)and ended up with this number now. I still got the same number today after the ban.

LOL - I was going to respond to your initial post, but then got off topic! lol

I have become very disillusioned with the whole electoral process and do not believe it is anything more than a charade to appease the masses - making people think they still have some power when we actually have close to none. And the power we do have, for the most part, people are not willing to make use of. So I have a difficult time getting excited about any candidate, in any party, and about the elections. It was made clear to us in the past 2 elections that our votes do not count and often times won't even be counted.

Your UserID number should not change unless your IP address changes.

My ID did change one time- a couple months back after a ban. The Mods suggested that I register my account, which I did.
I've had the same IP for 8 years now.

I completely agree. I started off by registering as a Democrat when I was 18. After years of working my ass off to put myself through college and then graduate school and then seeing people take advantage of all the social systems out there (example, food stamps, public assistance, etc.) I registered as a Republican.* Today, I am neither. I hesitate to even call myself an Independent because it too is becoming amost a party with peolple of a certain political bent calling themselves this. I tend to be liberal in many of my views, but staunchly support our rights to be armed. Hell, we don't know when we are going to need to defend ourselves from our own government, the way things are going. I am so sick of being lyed to by politicians in general, I have become really jaded and cynical.

There was a time when I thought my vote made a difference. I don't know anymore. With all the shenanigans that went on during the last election and all the corruption on both sides of the aisle, I feel abandonned and betrayed by my country's own political system. I know a lot of other callers to talk radio say they feel the same way.

* This reminds me- I heard a joke once, "What is the diffrence between a Democrat and a Republican? A Republican is a Democrat that's been mugged"

This is very nice information to file away. Thank you.

I've been dumped twice now.



Ooooo, you should be named "Star Dumpee", unless you are a "Star Dumpette".

Either way, Congratulations.

Spikegirl, I referred to Giuliani's whole term as mayor. He reduced crime and vice during his tenure. He started a great welfare-to-work program. Times Square went from Larry Flynt to Walt Disney.

Your points are well taken, though. The divorce and love nest give one pause. That's not to mention the vital safety concerns that you mentioned. Anyway, look for a possible run with Huckabee.

Yes, he did a lot of good for the City. I won't deny that. I don't know if he's presidential material, though. I have to look into Huckabee. I heard someone on talk radio say somethinggood about him. Can't remember what.

I've been reading about Rooty today, seems he's in big trouble. You probably know that he assigned his mistress (now wife) a police car and driver, a police detail to guard her NYC apt. Bldg. AND her Hamptons condo...that she was not entitled to. All at taxpayers expense.

Par for the course with Rudy G. His own children do not speak to him and his daughter was on Barack Obama's Facebook as one of his supporters. When this came to light she removed her name. Embarrasing for Rudy.

Oh, I didn't know that. Very embarrasing. He has a pretty messy personal life. Kinda like a Republican Clinton.

More info on Rudy I found on another thread regarding gun control
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


and how NYC firefighters are AGAINST Rudy.
Thread: Giuliani Gets Exposed As Fraud by Firefighters

Not to sound like I'm sixteen, but I always liked Rudy because he seemed like a cool and hip guy to me. He just seemed so unpretentious, and he's definitely smart. IMO, his main deficit is his neocon advisors. They make John Bolton sound like a peacenik by comparison.

You sound like you're 16. Only Kidding! ; )

The people in Florida who voted for Nader in 2000 and ended up with Bush as president now fully understand that their votes counted big. I do agree with you on the issue of some votes not being counted, as in the case of the disenfrachisement of overseas military votes in Florida in 2000. No need for a response unless you really want to. I know what it will be, have heard them all. My point is that all of these things cut both ways and are interpreted soley by our biases. Cases in point: (1) Bush wins. Your likely conclusion: the elections (both) are faulted and illegitimate. (2) The democrat party wins back both houses of congress. Your likely conclusion: the election is fair and legitimate.

Some people talk of bombing other countries like if it was a game in the Play Station.
Some people don't realize what a million deaths means and that is the count in Iraq.
Some people don't realize giving his energy in favor of mad people is being with the same guilt that the doers. There is no possible innocence when you know and I say so they know.

Giuliani is "evil" person. Really can't you see it?

This is interesting. What is it about Mr. Giuliani that reveals his "evilness?" If the man is evil, I will immediately stop considering him as a candidate. Please help me see it clearly.

Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous
By JB Williams (11/11/07)

I am fast becoming the most unpopular man in America, among Ron Paul supporters that is. Truth is seldom popular among those at odds with that truth.

Paul supporters have worked diligently to convince voters that their candidate is the “real deal” constitutionalist conservative in the ’08 presidential race and that he has a real chance of winning. But the facts simply don’t support either of these claims and pointing this reality out seems to drive Paul supporters into a fit of unbridled rage.

The fact is, though Ron Paul himself is no threat to anyone or anything, his campaign is on a track that is very dangerous for America and the conservative movement in particular. Although he is highly unlikely to win anything, his campaign is increasingly likely to cause real trouble for the legitimate Republican nomination process.

Ron Paul’s fund raising

Recent headlines have been focused on the record fund raising day in the Paul campaign. It was a very effective campaign stunt. Although he still trails most other candidates in overall fund raising by a pretty wide margin, his campaign grabbed headlines by setting up an internet campaign stunt designed to raise as much as possible in a single day.

It worked - they got the desired headlines - but what does it really mean? In the end, it won’t change the outcome of the election process.

But the recent surge in campaign contributions did raise a more important question.

Where’s all that money coming from?

At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul’s financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live.

In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; “Please refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger.”

Dondero continued, “Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball.”

These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 – 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.

Where is all that money coming from?

Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”

According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises.

USA Today reports, “The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate. Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep. Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut.”

In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be 3.8%.

Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How?

Here’s where the Ron Paul campaign becomes dangerous

Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter’s from the left can vote in the Republican primary.

Twenty four states have “open” primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies – one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in “open” primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are “closed.”

The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans.

The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. “As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States.” (A direct quote from the site)

So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can’t entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are.

Why is the Ron Paul campaign dangerous?

Despite his very real popularity across the political aisle, he is not likely to get enough people to switch parties in order to win the RNC nomination. But he is doing a great job of validating the perspective of all the negative propaganda uttered by leftists against Bush, Republicans, the War on Terror and national security. That’s not good.

He is also doing a great job of helping the left undermine the war on terror and that’s why he’s so popular among anti-war leftists, including in the press. This is bad.

But even worse, he threatens the integrity of the Republican nomination process itself by relying upon non-Republicans to win the Republican nomination.

Last, at a time in American history when the Republican Party must be more united and engaged than ever before, when every available conservative vote is needed in next years general election, Paul and his supporters are busy carving up the party for their own anti-Republican agenda.

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

That’s why his campaign has become dangerous.

I actually agree with many of Ron Paul’s positions, outside of his suicidal national security perspective of course. But I can not agree with the campaign tactics of using leftist money and votes to hijack the Republican nomination and I’m shocked that any Republican would.

There’s really no need to write another word about Ron Paul. If you can know all of these facts, follow the money and the links provided for their campaign tactics and still support him, you’re no Republican, much less a conservative or constitutionalist.

Real Republicans need to be aware and unite to block this effort to hijack the party nomination.

National elections are decided by a couple points one way or another today. Republicans can’t afford to let any candidate play games with their nomination process. Republicans need a candidate that will unite and motivate conservative voters, not one that divides and undermines that process.

That’s it! These are the facts. You don’t have to like them, you just need to know them.

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Cool! People are still posting here?

Let me put my tin foil hat on and ask:Who was REALLY responsible for the assasination of Bhutto?

Well Spikegirl, here's my answer (opinion) a bit late,but here you go:

Musharraf