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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 310545
12/5/2007 1:48 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
.ca is canada, not california. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 223
12/5/2007 1:55 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Look top the Denver Murals. |
| Duncan Kunz 
The Debunker King
User ID: 10104
12/5/2007 2:30 PM
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You've missed several points, but address these:
The trucks from Mexico can be like Trojan Horses. They could contain weapons, drugs, a really big bomb, lots of illegals etc. Did I mention a really big bomb..
They won't be looked into until they get to Kansas! If it gets that far.See a problem with THAT...? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 335849
I go to Mexico on a regular basis, mostly to Sonora or BCN. Whenever I come back, I see trucks inspected all the time, but cars just zip on through. There isn't any border security from that point of view, either way.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 10104
12/5/2007 2:43 PM
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Duncan, your memory must be failing. In September, I provided you all documentation to educate you that these are not existing roads. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
If those highways get built, then you are right, and I stand corrected. However, the fact that there will be additional infrastructure, whether it's a new series of lanes parallel to the existing highway or a hundred miles away, is still not all that big a deal.
We allow vehicles from one state to go to another state unimpeded. We signed a treaty (which was ratified by congress, of course) to allow that same trade between our neighboring countries and ourselves. I am sure for every Nexican and Canadian truck entering the United States, there will be two or three American trucks entering Mexico or Canada.
We live in a global economy, and nothing we can do will change that. Certainly there are security concerns, inasmuch as our country is a target for a lot of Bad Guys; however, I don't think that the situation will be any different than it is now.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 10104
12/5/2007 2:48 PM
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I did a little checking, not a lot, so someone else can do some back up on this. It looks like most of the CANAMEX route is near or above 3,000' elev.. This will be the main corridor after the pole shift puts the entire eastern seaboard under water. Quoting: Hold the Phone
Horse-shit. There isn't going to be a "pole-shift" and the coast isn't going to be underwater. Get a grip; we're talking about something real here.
The I35 corridor will be along the new east coast. The new capitol will be Denver or Salt Lake City. Do the Mormons figure in in all of this? Quoting: Hold the Phone
No. The whole thing is being controlled, not by the Mormons, but by the International House of Pancakes.
Sheesh.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| TX Patriot
User ID: 332571
12/5/2007 3:00 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Duncan, your memory must be failing. In September, I provided you all documentation to educate you that these are not existing roads.
If those highways get built, then you are right, and I stand corrected. However, the fact that there will be additional infrastructure, whether it's a new series of lanes parallel to the existing highway or a hundred miles away, is still not all that big a deal.
We allow vehicles from one state to go to another state unimpeded. We signed a treaty (which was ratified by congress, of course) to allow that same trade between our neighboring countries and ourselves. I am sure for every Nexican and Canadian truck entering the United States, there will be two or three American trucks entering Mexico or Canada.
We live in a global economy, and nothing we can do will change that. Certainly there are security concerns, inasmuch as our country is a target for a lot of Bad Guys; however, I don't think that the situation will be any different than it is now. Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Duncan, you either didn't read the entire thread I provided or you have missed one very important point.
This is not about trading with Mexico under NAFTA. This is about using Mexico for cheap labor diverting Chinese cargo from our ports (and our longshoremen) to Mexican ports. The cargo will then be loaded onto rail and trucks in Mexico and brought to the US bypassing customs until the cargo reaches Kansas City (or San Antonio or other inland "smart port").
Do you really not have a problem with taking even more jobs away from US citizens?
Do you really not have a problem with the further use of Mexicans as a slave class?
Do you really not have a problem with unchecked cargo coming into the heartland of the US?
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| TX Patriot
User ID: 332571
12/5/2007 3:03 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Duncan, you either didn't read the entire thread I provided or you have missed one very important point.
This is not about trading with Mexico under NAFTA. This is about using Mexico for cheap labor diverting Chinese cargo from our ports (and our longshoremen) to Mexican ports. The cargo will then be loaded onto rail and trucks in Mexico and brought to the US bypassing customs until the cargo reaches Kansas City (or San Antonio or other inland "smart port").
Do you really not have a problem with taking even more jobs away from US citizens?
Do you really not have a problem with the further use of Mexicans as a slave class?
Do you really not have a problem with unchecked cargo coming into the heartland of the US?
. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
And the above is in addition to handing our infrastructure and land over to foreign corporations where the citizens have zero control.
NAFTA has nothing to do with the foreign control of these roads.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 110292
12/5/2007 3:06 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
How many Americans are building these ? What companies have maintaince contracts ? Alot of questions not answered outwordly tells me something isn't right. Why no public knowledge for those without the net ? Too many unanswered questions to be good. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 335949
12/5/2007 3:40 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Please excuse this ignorant question, but why is this a problem?
This is a brief summary:
We aren't talking about highways; we are talking about foreign leased, foreign operated, foreign tolled, massive super highways.
Concessions and all businesses servicing the tolled highways will be owned by the foreign company(ies), which will serve to shut down highway businesses and small towns. There will only be exits every 10 miles further damaging traffic to small towns.
We are talking about structures that require 146 acres of right of way per mile. Four football fields in width. In TX alone, 600,000 acres of private land will be confiscated under eminent domain laws.
The plan is to divert all ships from China to Mexico, offload the cargo with cheap labor and transport into our heartland with cheap labor (trucking) or on rail. Where does this leave or longshoremen and truckers?
We are talking about no customs at our southern border. Cargo (which could contain weapons, drugs, people and various contraband) not being checked until Kansas City at a central inland "smart port" with, oh, so many opportunities to exit the toll road prior to that port.
And this ain't all.......
Does this help answer your inquiry? Because, unfortunately, I could continue. =/
. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571 |
| Confused American
User ID: 254678
12/5/2007 3:41 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
I bet you people would have us go back to the days of states' rights and paying taxes/tolls at each state border.
The CanAmMex Corridor is the future! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328849
12/5/2007 4:09 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Get another clean pair of pants ready cuz it's even uglier than you know...
YOU DO REALIZE of course THAT AFTER THEY COMPLETE THESE (not one, but two) QUARTER-MILE WIDE INTERNATIONAL "INCISIONS" FROM MEXICO TO CANADA THAT THEY THEMSELVES IN THEIR VERY OWN MULTI-NATIONAL UTILITY WILL BE PARAMOUNT TO THE LONGEST UNFENCED/UNGUARDED BORDERS IN THE WORLD, RIGHT THRU THE MIDDLE OF OUR NATION!
ALL FOR THE SAKE OF CIRCUMVENTING THE LIVABLE WAGES OF OUR TEAMSTERS AND LONGSHOREMEN UNIONS IN THE NAME OF CHEAP MEXICN LABOR OFFLOADING THEN TRANSPORTING THE COMMUNIST/SLAVE-MADE TOXINS FROM CHINA PASSED OUR ALREADY COMPRIMISED BORDER.
THESE WILL BE PRIVATLEY/FOREIGN OWNED TOLL $UPER HIGHWAYS WHICH MEANS THERE WILL BE NO LOCAL ECONOMIC GAIN OR JOBS FOR AMERICAN COMMUNITIES UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE IN OUR AROUND THESE TWIN SERPENTS OF THE UNITED STATES FINAL DEATH.
I WONDER HOW THEY'RE PLANNING ON COPING WITH THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE THREE DIFFERENT CURRENCES AND THEIR FLUCTUATING EXCHANGE RATES ON THESE INTERNATIONAL TRADE ROUTS OF TREASON????
OH WAIT A MINUTE... DOH!
Lets not forget that the chief foreign contractor/OWNER of the TTC, cintra, of spain, (wonder what language they speak there?) is giuliani's LAW FIRM'S LARGEST CLIENT!!!!!!!!
Grab a third pair of pants...
Now that you know about NAFTA Superhellway's evil twin: 'Canamex' via Arizona...
Ever wondered how they're planning on traversing that annoying Colorado River thing in Arizona????
With an Internatinally built bridge of course! (Obayashi Corporation)
Wouldn't such a large bridge get a name?
and ps, Congress isn't aware of any NAFTA "conspiracy"???
Well GUESS WHAT CONGRESS DECIDED TO OFFICIALLY NAME THAT BRIDGE?????????????
'The Pat Tillman Memorial Bridge'
[ link to www.hooverdambypass.org]
read for pete's sake. read!
The treason knows no bounds. |
| TX Patriot
User ID: 332571
12/5/2007 4:18 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
I bet you people would have us go back to the days of states' rights and paying taxes/tolls at each state border.
The CanAmMex Corridor is the future! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Quoting: Confused American 254678
Please educate me. To what jobs! jobs! jobs! are you referring when the construction will be foreign (or illegal), shipping to our West ports will be diverted to Mexico, and trucking transport to our heartland will be Mexican labor.
It really appears to me those jobs! jobs! jobs! will provide slave labor wages to Mexicans rather than Americans.
Concessions and businesses on the super highways will be solely owned by the foreign corporations (at lest in TX) serviced by non-living wage labor (think Wal Mart).
But, please, by all means, educate me if I am off track with my assessment.
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| TX Patriot
User ID: 332571
12/5/2007 4:24 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
(at lest in TX)
. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
Typo: "least" rather than "lest"
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| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 97965
12/5/2007 4:38 PM
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Do you really not have a problem with taking even more jobs away from US citizens? Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
If the jobs go to Mexico, it is because the Americans doing that job now (in this case, the longshoremen) are either too inefficient or cost too much money to get the job done. I believe that a job should be done -- or a service provided -- by whomever is best able to do that job most cost-effectively. Many Americans have worked themslves out of a job by their overpriced unions and featherbedding; now their institutional laziness are meeting the chickens coming home to roost.
If our American longshoremen cannot compete with Mexicans, they do not deserve to have those jobs.
Do you really not have a problem with the further use of Mexicans as a slave class? Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
For some reason, I don't think you're as concerned with "Mexicans as a slave class" as you are with "Mexicans taking away our jobs". I doubt that you would find many Mexicans agreeing with your descriptions of them as "slaves"; what they make, even if it's not bloated Union wages of $35/hr, is a hell of a lot better than they would without a job as an "underpaid" longshoreman.
Do you really not have a problem with unchecked cargo coming into the heartland of the US? Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
That same unchecked cargo comes into San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Charleston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston, and I don't see you wailing about that. I think the unchecked cargo in the heartland is a red herring; either way we don't inspect the cargo coming anyway. Who cares whether we ignore cargo in Oakland or Kansas City?
Tex, we are living in a world economy here, and David Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage ( [link to www.econlib.org] ) is what's driving it. You (or I) do not get a "free pass' of a job just becasue we're Americans; we have to compete with everyone else for it, and that is as it should be.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 322897
12/5/2007 4:40 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Where's the training wheels on that thing, Duncan? Does Mom know you took them off? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 110292
12/5/2007 4:43 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Do you really not have a problem with taking even more jobs away from US citizens?
If the jobs go to Mexico, it is because the Americans doing that job now (in this case, the longshoremen) are either too inefficient or cost too much money to get the job done. I believe that a job should be done -- or a service provided -- by whomever is best able to do that job most cost-effectively. Many Americans have worked themslves out of a job by their overpriced unions and featherbedding; now their institutional laziness are meeting the chickens coming home to roost.
If our American longshoremen cannot compete with Mexicans, they do not deserve to have those jobs.
Do you really not have a problem with the further use of Mexicans as a slave class?
For some reason, I don't think you're as concerned with "Mexicans as a slave class" as you are with "Mexicans taking away our jobs". I doubt that you would find many Mexicans agreeing with your descriptions of them as "slaves"; what they make, even if it's not bloated Union wages of $35/hr, is a hell of a lot better than they would without a job as an "underpaid" longshoreman.
Do you really not have a problem with unchecked cargo coming into the heartland of the US?
That same unchecked cargo comes into San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Charleston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston, and I don't see you wailing about that. I think the unchecked cargo in the heartland is a red herring; either way we don't inspect the cargo coming anyway. Who cares whether we ignore cargo in Oakland or Kansas City?
Tex, we are living in a world economy here, and David Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage ( [ link to www.econlib.org] ) is what's driving it. You (or I) do not get a "free pass' of a job just becasue we're Americans; we have to compete with everyone else for it, and that is as it should be.
What a tool LOL  |
| wing-ed
User ID: 281371
12/5/2007 4:49 PM
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Praise The Holy Of Holy :: The one going into Iowa is already I 35 !!
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding |
| Godot
User ID: 330512
12/5/2007 5:09 PM
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I love the logic and circular arguments used by the Toads passing for conservatives these days, (you know who you are).
1) Initial position: Deny reality & use sd hominem attacks ! "It don't exist", your all nuts if you think it does".
2) When presented with evidence and eye witness accounts: Discount and marginalize the evidence! "These are simple improvements to existing infrastructure, you are misinformed".
3) When presented with evidence that the information originally presented is sound: Deny Reality & use Straw-man argument- "It really don't matter. NAFTA and congress approved these trade agreements."
Now I see Duncan applying the argument that if its cheeper to do business with child labor in Budapest, then Americans don't deserve to have the jobs that can be done there by slaves. They should be willing to compete at that price point or be prepared to starve.
Duncan, this is why you don't have trade agreements with nations that employ slave labor or do not share your nations living standards and labor practices. In the long run, it will collapse your economy, lower your standard of living and decay your infrastructure.
I still believe that America is for Americans. That it exists to serve as a home for our people. I do not believe that it exists only for the enrichment of a few bankers.
You site Ricardo's economic theory??. News flash Duncan, Ricardos theories are two hundred years out of date and apply only to an improving economy and an exponentially expanding population base. If you want to keep following his antiquated ideas, you may as well give the dam country back to Mexico because its the inevitable outcome of adhearing to that path.
G
...
"Notwithstanding the tendency of wages to conform to their natural rate, their market rate may, in an improving society, for an indefinite period, be constantly above it; for no sooner may the impulse, which an increased capital gives to a new demand for labour, be obeyed, than another increase of capital may produce the same effect; and thus, if the increase of capital be gradual and constant, the demand for labour may give a continued stimulus to an increase of people".…
-David Ricardo- 1817
Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it....
... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
| Godot
User ID: 330512
12/5/2007 5:23 PM
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PS -Duncan, knowing what a fan you are of the gold standard you should also know that David Ricardo believed that his economic theory on wages and an improving economy was contingent on having a GOLD STANDARD currency. Perhaps you should read his first publication.
The High Price of Bullion, a Proof of the Depreciation of Bank
Notes.
by David Ricardo
London: Printed for John Murray, 32, Fleet-Street; And Sold by
Every Other Bookseller in Town and Country
1810
[link to socserv.mcmaster.ca]
Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it....
... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225509
12/5/2007 6:23 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Please excuse this ignorant question, but why is this a problem?
We don't trust our government.
We do not believe they are doing this for the good of the people.
We believe they are trying to develop a NWO, one-government.
with a road?
don´t like it? don´t bloody use it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 306227
Don't like it; don't want it; who will blow up shit while they make the road and other sabotage of workers' trucks, cars, tools, etc. and, if that's not enough to stop it, then, well, who will step up the ante?
Could it be a Minuteman? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325598
12/5/2007 6:26 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
These super structures will be plowing right through the world's bread basket! Our food will then be produced in CHINA! Let's see--- they are putting date rape drugs in children's toys, asbestos, lead and whatever waste products they choose, with NO OVER SIGHT from the FDA or any other govt. bureauacracy. The stop over along the Tex-Mex highway is in KCMO and that small piece of American soil is NOW owned by the MEX. GOVT. Don't call it a highway in the usual sense. Four football fields wide is not a highway. Railroad tracks running through it. No off ramps, no on ramps. Construction compliments of the the King of Spain, not an American company. Paid for by the American taxpayer. Americans gain Nothing from this. Think of all those losing jobs in California-longshoremen for one. I suppose Border Patrolmen too. Don't ask why we getting our fence. Remember when Nixon opened up trade with China? Great statesman, huh? Great American. I'll take MOJ or made in Japan any day! And I see no revolution. Not even any outrage. We're too busy letting the GOVT. take care of us. We're going into this with eyes wide shut. The easy way out is to shout CONSPIRACY! The Govt. doesn't CARE what poison we eat, what chinese toys our children play with or what happens to our beautiful country. I have stopped purchasing ANYTHING with a made in CHINA label.I do not shop at ChinaMart, Target,or Kohls for the tiny bit of good it does. There are lots of others. We have been programmed to be consumers for a reason. Do you GET IT yet? And Duncan, go someplace else or get informed for God's sake. RANT OVER! |
| TX Patriot
User ID: 332571
12/5/2007 6:48 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Do you really not have a problem with taking even more jobs away from US citizens?
If the jobs go to Mexico, it is because the Americans doing that job now (in this case, the longshoremen) are either too inefficient or cost too much money to get the job done. I believe that a job should be done -- or a service provided -- by whomever is best able to do that job most cost-effectively. Many Americans have worked themslves out of a job by their overpriced unions and featherbedding; now their institutional laziness are meeting the chickens coming home to roost.
If our American longshoremen cannot compete with Mexicans, they do not deserve to have those jobs.
Do you really not have a problem with the further use of Mexicans as a slave class?
For some reason, I don't think you're as concerned with "Mexicans as a slave class" as you are with "Mexicans taking away our jobs". I doubt that you would find many Mexicans agreeing with your descriptions of them as "slaves"; what they make, even if it's not bloated Union wages of $35/hr, is a hell of a lot better than they would without a job as an "underpaid" longshoreman.
Do you really not have a problem with unchecked cargo coming into the heartland of the US?
That same unchecked cargo comes into San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Charleston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston, and I don't see you wailing about that. I think the unchecked cargo in the heartland is a red herring; either way we don't inspect the cargo coming anyway. Who cares whether we ignore cargo in Oakland or Kansas City? Quoting: Duncan Kunz
No, Duncan, unchecked cargo is of utmost concern to me. I am a Texan, and I am fairly well informed concerning the contraband crossing our southern border in our current, and historical, state of the border. This is a little taste as documented in the 2006 southwest border report prepared by the House Committee on Homeland Security:
"In January 2006, ICE agents, along with ATF agents and Laredo Police Department officers seized an enormous cache of weapons in Laredo, Texas. Authorities confiscated two completed improvised explosive devices (IEDs) materials for making thirty-three more, military style grenades, twenty-six grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47s and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 pounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bulletproof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics and cash."
[link to www.house.gov] (see page 11 for cartel smuggling routes through TX)
Read the entire report to understand what is and who are coming across our southern border. We, as Texans and other states on the front line, live the consequences every day. Opening free cargo passage under a "smart pass" NAFTA program is analogous to putting out the welcome mat and welding the door to the open position.
It's no red herring.
Tex, we are living in a world economy here, and David Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage ( [ link to www.econlib.org] ) is what's driving it. You (or I) do not get a "free pass' of a job just because we're Americans; we have to compete with everyone else for it, and that is as it should be.
You are the one talking about "free passes", Duncan, not me. We should be competing with fellow Americans for American jobs and not competing with the rest of the world. We should serve the best interests of our citizens first and not profits for multi-national corporations. We should secure our economy, secure our resources, support ourselves to every degree possible and then fairly trade with other countries. I personally find it quite insane that we import 80% of our food.
But this discussion is about the NAFTA Superhighway, and I refuse to sit while we open the doors to free movement of the drug and weapons cartel and gangs.
I will not rest while 600,000 acres of Texas land is stolen for transportation infrastructure to be controlled by foreign interests who will charge me to use those roads on our land.
I will not be silenced while American jobs continue to be sold out to slave labor under the black cloak of "trade agreements".
I adamantly refuse to sit on the side lines and watch as corporatism shreds our country and our citizens (by birth or naturalized).
I will speak and I will fight for our country.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325598
12/5/2007 7:04 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Tx. Patriot--I'm with you! Any others? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 330512
12/5/2007 7:10 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
I will speak and I will fight for our country. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 293212
12/5/2007 7:41 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Why don't you people funally wake up! This is not the country that we grew up in! It's been sold out and it's too late!
Get out while you still can!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 179644
12/5/2007 8:11 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Where the hell is Pnac traitor? I want to hear him whine about how this is a 'conspiracy theory' lol. |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 335258
12/5/2007 9:06 PM
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I love the logic and circular arguments used by the Toads passing for conservatives these days, (you know who you are). Quoting: Godot
I trust you're not referring to me as a "conservative"; doing so says more about you understanding of politics thatn anything which I may or may not believe.
Initial position: Deny reality & use sd hominem attacks ! "It don't exist", your all nuts if you think it does". Quoting: Godot
Come on, Godot; show a little forbearance. Not all woo-woos whose pet theories are questioned are that way.
A majority, perhaps, but not all.
When presented with evidence and eye witness accounts: Discount and marginalize the evidence! "These are simple improvements to existing infrastructure, you are misinformed".
3) When presented with evidence that the information originally presented is sound: Deny Reality & use Straw-man argument- "It really don't matter. NAFTA and congress approved these trade agreements." Quoting: Godot
Unlike you, Godot, I at least have the courage to say I was wrong if I was misinformed. I do not ever having recalled seeing you admit to an error. As far as that goes it means that you are either perfect and inerrant, or too insecure to admit an error on your part.
Now I see Duncan applying the argument that if its cheeper to do business with child labor in Budapest... Quoting: Godot
Godot, if you must lie, at least try to be competent at it. No one said anything about "child labor in Budapest"; you're using the same silliness that Tex does when he talks about "slave labor". If a Mexican or an Indonesian can do the same job an overfed American can do and do it for less money or better quality, I am not going to waste my tax money providing some sort of "welfare net" for the American worker. If you feel you aren't capable of competing with a Mexican or anyone else, I can see why you might want to freeze him out of a job.
I believe in competition; you might want to try it some time.
They should be willing to compete at that price point or be prepared to starve. Quoting: Godot
Exactly. Why are you afraid of competition, Godot? Don't thilnk you can cut it in the world economy?
Boo-hoo-hoo!
Duncan, this is why you don't have trade agreements with nations that employ slave labor or do not share your nations living standards and labor practices. In the long run, it will collapse your economy, lower your standard of living and decay your infrastructure. Quoting: Godot
If anything you have said so far gave me an inkling that you understood basic laissez-faire economics, I might take the time to argue with you, but it'd be like explaining cardiac surgery to a cat.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| WTF
User ID: 281351
12/5/2007 9:20 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
Please excuse this ignorant question, but why is this a problem?
Because they're gonna build a highway that is a quarter of a mile wide through the middle of the country that will literally split it in half. Quoting: PhantomLordNYC
ROTFLMAO....never happen. Move on to another freak out story. |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 335258
12/5/2007 9:30 PM
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No, Duncan, unchecked cargo is of utmost concern to me. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
So how will moving an inspection station further north make it any better?
You are the one talking about "free passes", Duncan, not me. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
I am talking about them, but you seem to be demanding them.
We should be competing with fellow Americans for American jobs and not competing with the rest of the world. Quoting: TX Patriot 332571
In case you haven't noticed, Tex, we are living in a world economy nowadays. We compete with these people because they are providing stuff we need, and we are providing stuff they need. Saying "we should not be competing with the rest of the world" is as silly as saying "they should all learn English", or "we all ought to live in peace and harmony". It may sound nice and cute, but it's not reality. Immigrants will not learn English, no matter how badly you or I may want them to. People are not going to live in peace and harmony no matter how many times we gather around the campfire and sing "kum-ba-yah".
The reality is that there is a whole world out there full of hard-working, smart people; we are not "serving the best intersts of our citizens" by making excuses and passing laws to protect their inefficienty and incompetence. If we as a country are unable to compete with other people in doing a certain thing, then we should be doing something else that we are better at.
If the world can do everything better than we can do and do it at a better price, then we'd better get off our collective asses and learn how to compete, regardless of how painful it may be.
Otherwise the United States will go the same way of the Kingdom of Austria-Hungary.
Your trying to keep out hard-working competition by calling them "slave labor" or passing laws to protect incompetence and laziness may play well with the American voter; God knows that Bush and company are trying to do that, along with the other slugs running for power here.
But your support of protectionism because you think we're too weak and stupid to compete (which is what you seem to be pushing) is going to make it worse in the long run...
...if not for you, then for your children and grandchildren.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| TX Patriot
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12/5/2007 9:48 PM | | Re: NAFTA Superhighway - Ready to shit your pants? | Quote |
No, Duncan, unchecked cargo is of utmost concern to me.
So how will moving an inspection station further north make it any better? Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Duncan, you aren't making any sense now. Moving customs inland won't make it safer; it makes it more dangerous under this operational plan due to the open pass at the border and the opportunity for the trucks to jump off the Super Highway at any point within the US before reaching the inland customs /port facility.
I'll respond to your other comments a bit later. Must run.
TXP
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