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Professor Predicts Possible Civil War After 2008 Vote
Students call professor’s theory ‘ridiculous.’
Published On Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:55 AM
By EMILY J. NELSON
Crimson Staff Writer

Think America could never face another Civil War? Think again. According to one Harvard Business School Professor, a civil war is a real possibility following the 2008 election.

“We might possibly be headed for a real crash here,” said D. Quinn Mills, Weatherhead Jr. Professor of Business Administration.

To find out whether Harvard students agree with his hypothesis, Mills is running a two-week online discussion-based symposium this month that invites Harvard students to speak out about the possibility of a civil war following the next presidential election.

With the U.S. map politically polarized—northern and western states blue and southern ones red, with little bipartisan activity—Mills said he is 15-20 percent confident that America could face another Civil War if the 2008 election is as closely contested as the past two.

“I looked at the map of the last two elections and it looks a whole lot like the map of the U.S. just prior to the Civil War,” he said.

The website for the symposium, entitled “Blue! Red!” presents students—who are allowed to participate anonymously under names such as “rredbluesym”—with a scenario of a contested 2008 election in which the losing party does not concede, and asks them to discuss the possibility of a war breaking out.

But Harvard students are skeptical about Mills’ proposition.

President of the Harvard Democrats Eric P. Lesser ’07, who was contacted about the Symposium by one of Mills’ research associates, called Mills’ initiative “ridiculous,” “silly,” and “a bit outdated.”

“It seems a little silly to me to compare the complex series of events that led to the Civil War with the partisanship we see now,” Lesser wrote in an e-mail.

And one anonymous symposium participant wrote on the discussion board that “America is far too prosperous a country to have a serious civil war again.” Another wrote, “I see no civil war in the future.”

Alvin S. Felzenberg, a fellow at the Institute of Politics who conducted a study group about bipartisanship this spring, echoed Mills’ view that he has not seen such extreme political polarization in the U.S. since before the Civil War but added that he does not predict another war.

The symposium is divided into three modules that will examine parallels between the U.S. Civil War and today’s political polarization, ask students to consider the likelihood of civil war, and, if students do think a civil war is likely, conclude with a discussion of how to avoid that situation.

Mills estimated that eight individuals, including students from the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard Business School, and the College, have signed up so far, and Mills said he expects 20 students to participate.
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We are damned if we do damned if we don't

A civil war is NEEDED, but it could be what THEY want to further their agenda.....but then if we do nothing, they still get what they want to further their agenda.

Honestly, the only hope we have is an intervention from a higher source!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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i have to go with his thoughts,and so does most of the elected officals in washington...thats why they tried to make it a person had to have a licence to purchase ammo for wepons,which was shot down.......BUT now they are trying to ban the sales of guns to anyone from the vietnam war to present war who was in the military...there soilders know house to house combat and could overthrow our govt. Idol1
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.
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Prof. Samuel Morse (inventor of the Morse code) predicted the last American civil war, wrote 1835 book 20 years before the war warning
Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States

Morse was in Europe selling his morse code device when he learned of the conspiracy.
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Depending on WHO the election is given to or if there is a clear and acceptable winner (I will consider Guido or Hillary vote fraud) and if the chemtrails continue or stop depends very much on my actions concerning this topic. I may just take the passive action of burning my house down and moving to a non UN member nation rather than take up arms but if there is a movement, I will join.
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Prof. Samuel Morse (inventor of the Morse code) predicted the last American civil war, wrote 1835 book 20 years before the war warning
Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States

Morse was in Europe selling his morse code device when he learned of the conspiracy.
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He been readin' too much John Titor...




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Professor Predicts Possible Civil War After 2008 Vote
Students call professor’s theory ‘ridiculous.’
Published On Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:55 AM
By EMILY J. NELSON
Crimson Staff Writer

Think America could never face another Civil War? Think again. According to one Harvard Business School Professor, a civil war is a real possibility following the 2008 election.

“We might possibly be headed for a real crash here,” said D. Quinn Mills, Weatherhead Jr. Professor of Business Administration.

To find out whether Harvard students agree with his hypothesis, Mills is running a two-week online discussion-based symposium this month that invites Harvard students to speak out about the possibility of a civil war following the next presidential election.

With the U.S. map politically polarized—northern and western states blue and southern ones red, with little bipartisan activity—Mills said he is 15-20 percent confident that America could face another Civil War if the 2008 election is as closely contested as the past two.

“I looked at the map of the last two elections and it looks a whole lot like the map of the U.S. just prior to the Civil War,” he said.

The website for the symposium, entitled “Blue! Red!” presents students—who are allowed to participate anonymously under names such as “rredbluesym”—with a scenario of a contested 2008 election in which the losing party does not concede, and asks them to discuss the possibility of a war breaking out.

But Harvard students are skeptical about Mills’ proposition.

President of the Harvard Democrats Eric P. Lesser ’07, who was contacted about the Symposium by one of Mills’ research associates, called Mills’ initiative “ridiculous,” “silly,” and “a bit outdated.”

“It seems a little silly to me to compare the complex series of events that led to the Civil War with the partisanship we see now,” Lesser wrote in an e-mail.

And one anonymous symposium participant wrote on the discussion board that “America is far too prosperous a country to have a serious civil war again.” Another wrote, “I see no civil war in the future.”

Alvin S. Felzenberg, a fellow at the Institute of Politics who conducted a study group about bipartisanship this spring, echoed Mills’ view that he has not seen such extreme political polarization in the U.S. since before the Civil War but added that he does not predict another war.

The symposium is divided into three modules that will examine parallels between the U.S. Civil War and today’s political polarization, ask students to consider the likelihood of civil war, and, if students do think a civil war is likely, conclude with a discussion of how to avoid that situation.

Mills estimated that eight individuals, including students from the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard Business School, and the College, have signed up so far, and Mills said he expects 20 students to participate.
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i say
false prophet
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the media creates polarization
by naming states red or blue
usually these states have large numbers of people who voted the other way
but, they want us to think the whole state voted red or blue
it's more dialectical manipulation
and what about the one third who don't vote?
who's gonna get them outraged?
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.
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The Paulites might try, but they're too heterogeneous to be a threat. Also, Mr. Paul is crazy but not crazy enough to start a war even if some of his followers are.
Rarrgh!
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Alvin S. Felzenberg [....] has not seen such extreme political polarization in the U.S. since before the Civil War
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Boy, he must be old.
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THINK about this
suggesting that our politcal system doesn't work
is tantamount to undermining it
we have had free elections for over 200 years and peaceful succession of power
why, do they suppose that it will change suddenly?
or maybe they want it to change
because they don't like our system
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the media creates polarization
by naming states red or blue
usually these states have large numbers of people who voted the other way
but, they want us to think the whole state voted red or blue
it's more dialectical manipulation
and what about the one third who don't vote?
who's gonna get them outraged?
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You are so right. Only one vote can put an entire state into Red or Blue because of the way the electoral college works.
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.


The Paulites might try, but they're too heterogeneous to be a threat. Also, Mr. Paul is crazy but not crazy enough to start a war even if some of his followers are.
 Quoting: Thanatos

stop trying to demonize the supporters of Ron Paul
there may be a few nuts who support him
but communists and nazis support the other candidates
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If there is a civil war, it won't be large geographical regions facing off against other large geographical regions--like the North vs. South of the last war. It will be more like Iraq-- neighborhood vs neighborhood, street by street.
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globalists are pining for a civil war
to "prove" that our form of govt. is worthless
they won't get it
too bad for them
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We are damned if we do damned if we don't

A civil war is NEEDED, but it could be what THEY want to further their agenda.....but then if we do nothing, they still get what they want to further their agenda.

Honestly, the only hope we have is an intervention from a higher source!
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

Why is a civil war needed?

It's not enough that we're killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan -- we have to start killing each other? Over stupid politics?
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If there is a civil war, it won't be large geographical regions facing off against other large geographical regions--like the North vs. South of the last war. It will be more like Iraq-- neighborhood vs neighborhood, street by street.
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no, that is the globalist dream
but, we actually love our neighbors
imagine that!
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We are damned if we do damned if we don't

A civil war is NEEDED, but it could be what THEY want to further their agenda.....but then if we do nothing, they still get what they want to further their agenda.

Honestly, the only hope we have is an intervention from a higher source!

Why is a civil war needed?

It's not enough that we're killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan -- we have to start killing each other? Over stupid politics?
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to say a civil war is needed
is to say that 200 years of peaceful elections are a failure
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If there is a civil war, it won't be large geographical regions facing off against other large geographical regions--like the North vs. South of the last war. It will be more like Iraq-- neighborhood vs neighborhood, street by street.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 204901

Our next civil war will be fought over religion. It will be between those of us who believe in the separation of church and state and those who want to make this country a fascist xtian nation.

The fascist xtians may win the battles as they did in the English civil war, but they will eventally lose the war, as they did in England.
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get it straight
there will be no civil war
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.


The Paulites might try, but they're too heterogeneous to be a threat. Also, Mr. Paul is crazy but not crazy enough to start a war even if some of his followers are.

stop trying to demonize the supporters of Ron Paul
there may be a few nuts who support him
but communists and nazis support the other candidates
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 336139


I believe in what I see and what I've seen is many Paulites who want a war. Very few people are organizing militias to help propel Hillary Clinton or Romney to power. I understand that not all Paulites want this, and that this lack of unity will probably cripple the movement.
Rarrgh!
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why don't you post some "professor" who has faith in a proven system?
because you have an agenda, obviously
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.


The Paulites might try, but they're too heterogeneous to be a threat. Also, Mr. Paul is crazy but not crazy enough to start a war even if some of his followers are.

stop trying to demonize the supporters of Ron Paul
there may be a few nuts who support him
but communists and nazis support the other candidates


I believe in what I see and what I've seen is many Paulites who want a war. Very few people are organizing militias to help propel Hillary Clinton or Romney to power. I understand that not all Paulites want this, and that this lack of unity will probably cripple the movement.
 Quoting: Thanatos

you believe in internet psyops
to demonize Ron Paul
Ron Paul has no plans to enter the whitehouse in a coup
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 285638



I agree, the civil war that Titor referred to was the people versus the government.

This is more likely.
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if you think a few posters on glp can undermine the good and true supporters of Ron Paul
you are deluded
if you've been on glp awhile
you should realize that psyops are very real
and demonizing Ron Paul seems to be their goal
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The civil war was fought for economic reasons, and dressed up to be about race. The rural south thought the industrial north was passing laws (tarriff related) to hurt them. Slavery was a good excuse to go to war after the south left the union, but that was just like us saying we're fighting for democracy today.

The next civil war will not be divided down Republican/Democrat party lines. 25 to 50% of the people don't even BOTHER voting. Most people don't like either party, but just accept the better of two bad choices. You think people are going to die for the difference between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton? Please.

Plus, who the hell is going to fight a civil war over who gets into office when the candidates are so alike, and most citizens lead a fairly good lifestyle?

I think the professor is just looking for some attention.


The Paulites might try, but they're too heterogeneous to be a threat. Also, Mr. Paul is crazy but not crazy enough to start a war even if some of his followers are.

stop trying to demonize the supporters of Ron Paul
there may be a few nuts who support him
but communists and nazis support the other candidates


I believe in what I see and what I've seen is many Paulites who want a war. Very few people are organizing militias to help propel Hillary Clinton or Romney to power. I understand that not all Paulites want this, and that this lack of unity will probably cripple the movement.

you believe in internet psyops
to demonize Ron Paul
Ron Paul has no plans to enter the whitehouse in a coup
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You apparently don't believe in reading. I already said that.
Rarrgh!
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Wow! I have read the first 65 pages and can see a lot clearer as to how such a Civil War is set to explode in the U.S. ib tge near future.

A MUST read without a doubt.
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not a civil war....a REVOLUTION!

not against Americans...but against NEOCONS...politicians and the rest of the bought and paid for bureaucracy and Judicial system ... that pander to special interest Arrest every member of the CFR and charge them all as traitors.

remove the entire lot of them...starting with your town council...city gov, state gov and fed gov...lock them up until they can be tried Put the local police in jail as well as any and all illegals and those who hire them or rent to them.

put educators in their place until national elections can be held in 90 days..

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