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USA Copy of 1297 Magna Carta version "For Sale"

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12/08/2007 12:03 PM
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USA Copy of 1297 Magna Carta version "For Sale"
The copy of the 1297 (King Edward I) version
of the Magna Carta goes up for auction in mid
December at Sotheby's in NYC.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

Will the Declaration of Independence and
the US Constitution archived copies be next?

Notice this statement from the linked website above:

"While earlier versions of the royal edict were
written and then ignored, Redden said, "the 1297
Magna Carta became the operative version, the one
that was entered into English common law and
became the law of the land," ultimately effecting
democracies around the world."

Here's why:

Around 1300 AD, the Pope declared all humans "subjects"
of the Pontiff of Rome. Subjects are not free will
humans. Also around that date, the Pope and King
Edward I incorporated (made a make-believe ship at sea)
of the previous reference name for the king, the CROWN.
This made a corporate body where all Englishmen, and
subsequent colonials, subject to, or body parts
of a corporate body, and as such were then referred
to as "persons" or "freemen/subjects/ and later citizens".

From the 1297 version:
[14] A Freeman shall not be amerced for a small fault,
but after the manner of the fault;

[24] The Writ that is called Praecipe in capite shall
be from henceforth granted to no person of any freehold,
whereby any freeman may lose his Court. *1297

Notice the use of "freeman" and "person". Both signify
a human in the status of slave. Freeman, subject,
citizen all mean a slave granted freedoms in exchange
for service and tribute (bribe/taxes) to the master.

[link to www.archives.gov]

Now, from the 1215 version:

20. For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined
only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and
for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily
as to deprive him of his livelihood.

34. Henceforth the writ which is called Praecipe shall
not be to served on any one for any holding so as to
cause a free man to lose his court. *1215

A "free man" means a "free will man".

[link to www.britannia.com]

This may be a variation in translation from the Latin,
but, considering what happened to the Anglo-Saxon law
after Edward I came along - it being totally supplanted
by the Roman Municipal Law, I suspect the translation
is correctly done.

The King's magistrates (tax/tribute collectors)
then were granted the privilege of using the
"ship captain's preogative" of disregarding any
rules or regulations when he DEEMED it necessary
for the good of the ship, or the ship's owner,
the King.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave"
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12/10/2007 10:43 AM
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Re: USA Copy of 1297 Magna Carta version "For Sale"

You said "A 'free man' means a 'free will man'."

What is a free will man?

How did you arrive at the conclusion that the authors of the Magna Carta used the terms "free man" and "free will man" interchangably?