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Valuable Insights about human interaction and entanglement...

 
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The basic Archetypes of energy entanglements of an entropic nature:

The Poor Me


The most passive of the control dramas is the victim strategy, or what I have called the Poor Me. In this drama, rather than competing for energy directly, the person seeks to win deference and attention through the manipulation of sympathy.

We can always tell when we enter the energy field of a Poor Me because we are immediately drawn into a particular kind of dialogue in which we are pulled off center. Out of the blue, we begin to feel guilty for no reason, as though we are being cast into that role by the other person. The individual might say, "Well, I expected you to call yesterday, but you never did," or "I had all these bad things happen to me and you were nowhere to be found." He might even add, "All these other bad things are about to happen to me, and you probably won't be around then, either."




A slightly less passive control drama is the Aloof's.




We know we have entered the energy field of someone using this strategy when we begin a conversation and realize we can't really get a straight answer. The person we are talking to is distant, detached, cryptic in her responses. If we ask about her personal background, for instance, we get a very vague summary, such as "I traveled around a bit," with no further elaboration.

As we have this conversation, we sense that we have to ask a follow-up question, even for the simplest of inquiries. Maybe we have to say, "Well, where have you traveled?" And we receive the reply, "Many places."

Here we can clearly see the strategy of the Aloof. The person constantly creates a vague and mysterious aura around herself, forcing us to pour energy into digging to get information normally shared in a casual manner. When we do this, we are intensely focusing on the person's world, looking through her eyes, hoping to understand her background, and so we are giving her the boost of energy that she desires.


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Continued:

THE INTERROGATOR

A more aggressive control drama, one that is pervasive in modern society, is that of the Interrogator. In this manipulation strategy, one uses criticism to gain energy from others.

In the presence of an Interrogator, we always get a distinct feeling that we are being monitored. Simultaneously, we may feel as though we are being cast in the role of someone who is inadequate, or unable to handle our own lives.

We feet this way because the person we are interacting with has pulled us into a reality where he feels that most people are making huge mistakes with their lives and he must correct the situation. For instance, the Interrogator may say, "You know, you really don't dress well enough for the kind of job you have," or "I've noticed you don't really keep your house very neat." just as easily, the criticism could involve how we do our jobs, the way we talk, or a wide range of personal characteristics. It doesn't really matter. Anything will work as long as the criticism throws us off balance and makes us unsure of ourselves.

The unconscious strategy of the Interrogator is to point out something about us that gives us pause, hoping that we will buy into the criticism and adopt the Interrogator's view of the world. When this happens, we begin to look at the situation through the eyes of the Interrogator and thus give him energy. The Interrogator's aim is to become the dominant judge of other people's lives so that as soon as interaction begins, others immediately defer to his worldview, providing a steady flow of energy.

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Continued yet again:

THE INTIMIDATOR

The most aggressive control drama is the Intimidator's strategy. We can tell when we enter the energy field of such a person because we not only feel drained or uncomfortable; we feel unsafe, perhaps even in danger. The world turns ominous, threatening, out of control. The Intimidator will say and do things that suggest she might erupt in rage or violence at any moment. She may tell stories of harming others or show us the extent of her anger by breaking furniture or throwing items across the room.

The strategy of the Intimidator is to win our attention and thus our energy by creating an environment in which we feel so threatened we are totally focused on her. When someone gives off the impression that she might go out of control or do something dangerous at any minute, most of us watch this person very carefully. If we are in a conversation with such a person, we usually defer to her perspective very quickly. Of course, when we look through her eyes, trying to discern what she might do (in order to keep ourselves safe), she receives the boost of energy that she most desperately needs.

This strategy of intimidation is usually developed in a past environment of severe energy deprivation, most commonly involving relationships with other Intimidators who are dominating and abusive, and where no other strategy works to win energy back. Guilt-tripping as a Poor Me doesn't work; no one cares. Certainly, no one notices if you are playing Aloof. And any attempt at Interrogating is met with anger and hostility. The only solution is to endure the lack of energy until one is big enough to intimidate in one's own right.

The world the Intimidator sees is one of random violence and hostility. It is a world in which one is lost in supreme isolation, where everyone rejects and no one cares - which is exactly what these assumptions bring into the Intimidator's life, over and over.


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"The great achievement of the interaction psychologists was to identify and explain the way humans tend to compete and dominate each other because of a deep existential insecurity. It has been from the East, however, that we have gained further clarification of the psychology underlying this phenomenon.

As both science and mysticism demonstrate, humans are in essence a field of energy. Yet the East maintains that our normal energy levels are weak and flat until we open up to the absolute energies available in the universe. When this opening occurs, our chi - or perhaps we should call it our level of quantum energy - is raised to a height that resolves our existential insecurity. But until then we move around seeking additional energy from other people.

Let's begin our discussion by looking at what really happens when two humans interact. There is an old mystical saying that where attention goes, energy flows. Thus, when two people turn their attention to one another, they literally merge energy fields, pooling their energy. The issue quickly becomes: Who is going to control this accumulated energy? If one can dominate, managing to get the other to defer to his point of view, to look at the world in his way, through his eyes, then this individual has captured both energies as his own. He feels an immediate rush of power, security, self worth, even euphoria.

But those positive feelings are won at the other person's expense, for the dominated individual feels off center, anxious, and drained of energy.1 All of us have felt this way at one time or another. When we are forced to defer to someone who has manipulated us into confusion, thrown us off balance, shown us up, we suddenly feel deflated. And our natural tendency is to try to win energy back from the dominator, usually by any means necessary.

This process of psychological domination can be observed everywhere, and it is the underlying source of all irrational conflict in the human world, from the level of individuals and families all the way to cultures and nations. If we look realistically at society, therefore, we see it is an energy-competitive world, with people manipulating other people in very ingenious (and usually quite unconscious) ways. In light of the new understanding of the universe, we can also see that most of the manipulations used in this regard, most of the games people play, are the result of basic life assumptions. In other words, they form the individual's field of intention.

When we move into interaction with another human being, we must keep all this in mind. Every person is an energy field consisting of a set of assumptions and beliefs that radiate outward and influence the world. This includes beliefs about what an individual thinks other people are like, and how to win in conversation.

Everyone has a unique set of assumptions and style of interaction in this regard, which I have called control dramas. I believe that these "dramas" fall along a continuum ranging from very passive to very aggressive."

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This link breaks it all down quite nicely. We can notice our energy interactions and the typical patterns of those around us.
 Quoting: Bodhi Sita

 Quoting: Bodhi Sita


There are people who take pleasure in dominating others. They are at the center of every culture and religion on earth, and are additionally in competition with one another. This fact makes inspiring further effort quite impossible.
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Poor me = 1

aloof = 2

Interrogator = 3

intimidator = 4

Let's play a game
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This link breaks it all down quite nicely. We can notice our energy interactions and the typical patterns of those around us.
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There are people who take pleasure in dominating others. They are at the center of every culture and religion on earth, and are additionally in competition with one another. This fact makes inspiring further effort quite impossible.
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(hint* There is a #6 - who can unlock the easter egg?)
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This link breaks it all down quite nicely. We can notice our energy interactions and the typical patterns of those around us.
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There are people who take pleasure in dominating others. They are at the center of every culture and religion on earth, and are additionally in competition with one another. This fact makes inspiring further effort quite impossible.
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#?
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None of the above. There was something I did not want to do, the methods used to get me to do it went way beyond anything remotely acceptable. In turn, they undermined future motivation when various physical obstacles cropped up, as well as convincing me that people I would have to trust in order for things to move forward were bad and untrustworthy people as a rule. Everyone I know who is happy and doesn't have to force themselves to be happy is so on account of knowing when to ditch people of exactly the sort I don't have a choice but to deal with. I am permitted to draw logical inferences from this.
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what about it?



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Psychology is not a moral science. It is designed from the start to acclimate people to a social order and call it making them well. Those options are choices, not diagnoses. They are designed for the sake of those who can offer choices and consequences--ie, those with power. Grappling with the reality that made the two of us in opposition would mean acknowledging that bad things happen to little people so that they don't happen to important ones. However little or much injury this might have actually caused me, this observation is more than enough to not take these choices at all seriously when framed in terms of either a) morals, b) free will, or c) God.

This reaction, however you want to pathologize or demonize it, is human nature. You have intelligent people think up strategies against it, but the doctor/patient relationship relies on trust, which just isn't there. Bottom line, the reaction you consider to be highly undesirable is highly undesirable because those animals which had it survived and those who didn't did not. It is only maladaptive in a complex society because the people who run that society are unwilling to give up those incentives that produce it. They are just too useful, and apart from that nobody is going to ever tell them what to do. It's about power.

This is a clear-eyed view of the situation. Psychology is just another way of smuggling the shame, fear, and demons of religion into a society that no longer takes religion seriously. And they no longer take it seriously because it maliciously writes laws, selectively applies them, hides information where it doesn't outright lie, and breeds criminals whose vices it then portrays as virtues. There's nothing more to it than that, and the failure of people who lied and murdered to get power to follow through on the promises they made to people they always considered to be suckers when they themselves were pretending to speak for God really should not come as a surprise to you.

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You would have to delve pretty deeply into Jungian Psych and infer a lot to come up with anything I am sharing here as something that would come from a Dr.

AND...

It is about you - learning about you.

No other to diagnose.

Just watch yourself.

You can rationalize...and you are smart.

So...if this does not resonate with you - then it isn't for you.

Simple as a dimple.

Peace
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This is the thread I was looking for!

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Thanks for the link here Bodhi.

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Thanks for the link here Bodhi.

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Continued:

THE INTERROGATOR

A more aggressive control drama, one that is pervasive in modern society, is that of the Interrogator. In this manipulation strategy, one uses criticism to gain energy from others.

In the presence of an Interrogator, we always get a distinct feeling that we are being monitored. Simultaneously, we may feel as though we are being cast in the role of someone who is inadequate, or unable to handle our own lives.

We feet this way because the person we are interacting with has pulled us into a reality where he feels that most people are making huge mistakes with their lives and he must correct the situation. For instance, the Interrogator may say, "You know, you really don't dress well enough for the kind of job you have," or "I've noticed you don't really keep your house very neat." just as easily, the criticism could involve how we do our jobs, the way we talk, or a wide range of personal characteristics. It doesn't really matter. Anything will work as long as the criticism throws us off balance and makes us unsure of ourselves.

The unconscious strategy of the Interrogator is to point out something about us that gives us pause, hoping that we will buy into the criticism and adopt the Interrogator's view of the world. When this happens, we begin to look at the situation through the eyes of the Interrogator and thus give him energy. The Interrogator's aim is to become the dominant judge of other people's lives so that as soon as interaction begins, others immediately defer to his worldview, providing a steady flow of energy.

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ugh...this guy
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Continued:

THE INTERROGATOR

A more aggressive control drama, one that is pervasive in modern society, is that of the Interrogator. In this manipulation strategy, one uses criticism to gain energy from others.

In the presence of an Interrogator, we always get a distinct feeling that we are being monitored. Simultaneously, we may feel as though we are being cast in the role of someone who is inadequate, or unable to handle our own lives.

We feet this way because the person we are interacting with has pulled us into a reality where he feels that most people are making huge mistakes with their lives and he must correct the situation. For instance, the Interrogator may say, "You know, you really don't dress well enough for the kind of job you have," or "I've noticed you don't really keep your house very neat." just as easily, the criticism could involve how we do our jobs, the way we talk, or a wide range of personal characteristics. It doesn't really matter. Anything will work as long as the criticism throws us off balance and makes us unsure of ourselves.

The unconscious strategy of the Interrogator is to point out something about us that gives us pause, hoping that we will buy into the criticism and adopt the Interrogator's view of the world. When this happens, we begin to look at the situation through the eyes of the Interrogator and thus give him energy. The Interrogator's aim is to become the dominant judge of other people's lives so that as soon as interaction begins, others immediately defer to his worldview, providing a steady flow of energy.

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ugh...this guy
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Sounds like a coach.
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In sports, the team NEEDS to believe in the coach to be a successful unit.

If they have a good coach, that is.


That´s how coaches fade away and lose their jobs when they lose the dressing room.
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Yep...the coach has to have the teams respect.

when the coach takes loosh from the team..he is usually fired.

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Though the Celestine Prophecy was a work of fiction, I do believe the Author was guided to portray valuable information in a way that those who were ready, would understand it.

Let’s start with the 12 insights before I offer any further commentary.



First Insight.
Synchronicities (meaningful coincidences or connected events that can not be explained by ordinary science) are real, frequent, meaningful, purposeful, and enlivening.


Second Insight. Through psycho-spiritual historical reflection we can live in a "longer now" and see through our historical, cultural, and consciousness fixations.



Third Insight. The world consists of energy that human beings can directly interact with in ways that transcend current scientific understanding.



Fourth Insight. Humans compete with each other for energy, and by recognizing this habit, we can transcend it.



Fifth Insight. Through a mystical awareness and focus on "beauty" we can supply ourselves with nearly unlimited energy.



Sixth Insight. Our control dramas from our childhood hold us back and must be "cleared" or transcended.


Seventh Insight. By paying attention to our thoughts and experiences, and by focusing on positive outcomes, we fully engage in our own personal evolution.


Eighth Insight. A new "interpersonal ethic" is arising which teaches us to promote ourselves by energetically promoting others.


Ninth Insight. A grand and glorious future awaits humanity as we become aware of and begin to practice the wisdom of the previous Insights.



Tenth Insight. We can maintain our optimism and stay awake, and integrate the previous Insights, by seeing our lives from the higher perspective of the "Afterlife."



Eleventh Insight. the precise method through which we hold the vision. It has been called faith power, positive thinking, and the power of prayer. We are finding that this prayer power is a field of intention, which moves out from us and can be extended and strengthened, especially when we connect with others in a common vision.




Twelfth Insight. Armed with Divine confidence, we begin to take the next step to self-knowledge. We experience times when a greater sense of Divine begins to dwell within us. This indwelling feels like a sense of God’s presence. We still have our personal identity but this status becomes subservient to a complete consciousness of love, patience, and openness to action. For this presence to remain or get more powerful, we must be totally transcendent of our “Control Dramas,” or moments where we do not act on our intuition of other people’s best interest. In this sense, Divine presence is always there, unless our bad habits put distance between us.

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 Quoting: Bodhi Sita


Good Ding ding
blue is violet, 4 7 is still 7 4 too
Gold(69) Silver(47) bridge
Green Need lots of rain (not hot/cold)
Cancer (also 47)
Cygnus (also Swan)
License for Celestial Navi
the cross of 69 and 47
produce the 13, 6+7 or 9+4
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