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There are a few posters on GLP who very much like to spread hatred on toward Muslims.

One of their propaganda tactics is to spread hoax photo's.

They pass them off as real depictions of Islamic people in situations that seem barbaric or unjust.

These photo's, without context, make people who do not know that they are staged, or photoshopped, feel anger, or pity, or whatever the intended emotion of the person posting the fake photo's intends you to feel.

It is a hurtful and disgusting practice, a distortion of truth, and I will do my best to expose them for the lies that they are in this thread.
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There are a few posters on GLP who very much like to spread hatred on toward Muslims.

One of their propaganda tactics is to spread hoax photo's.

They pass them off as real depictions of Islamic people in situations that seem barbaric or unjust.

These photo's, without context, make people who do not know that they are staged, or photoshopped, feel anger, or pity, or whatever the intended emotion of the person posting the fake photo's intends you to feel.

It is a hurtful and disgusting practice, a distortion of truth, and I will do my best to expose them for the lies that they are in this thread.
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Thanks, Islamic guy. I agree with you, such practices are disgusting.
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Another method is term slinging.

I'm neither for or against any human, but you two groups are some crazy mother fuckers...


No playing ignorance here for anyone, we all know damn well what you are talking about.
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First propaganda photo:

[link to stephiblog.files.wordpress.com]

STONED IRANIAN WOMAN.

The woman here is in fact a dutch actress named Smadar Monsinos, and it is a still frame from a Dutch movie called De Steen.

Here is a photo of the actress next to her fictional "Iranian lady" portrayal.

[link to www.inminds.co.uk]
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Dude there is just no way to photoshop a woman getting stoned to death because she cheated on husband into anything worse that what it already is.
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that shit does happen for real.
I've seen them do it.
the clip i saw might have been from pakistan or iran.
how could they do it?
the muslim world is still in the stone age.
wake up and smell the coffee.
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Is this the same Islamic_Guy that used to post here?

Totally different attitude.
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Here is a decent summary of who created this image, and why...

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Iranian Woman Stoned!

24 October, 2007 · 13 Comments

Below is a picture of an Iranian woman being stoned… only she wasn’t Iranian and wasn’t stoned.

David Horowitz, was branded the “The Worst Person in the World” on MSNBC by Olbermann for producing a fake picture of a stoning in Iran, as the centrepiece of his “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week”.


Faked Picture

[link to stephiblog.files.wordpress.com]


Horowitz explains in fascist Frontpage, that he selected the photograph because he had been told ”was of a woman being buried up to her neck in preparation for an Islamic stoning in Iran”, when in fact, it was a still photograph from a 32-minute Dutch propaganda film.

Horowitz then bizarrely claims that even having been caught trying to perpetrate a fraud, that the photo “was perfectly appropriate for a week of events designed to make Americans aware of the terrible oppression of women under the Islamic law”.

What Horowitz doesn’t explain is that stoning is not reserved for women under Islamic law, and that in Iran, where he fraudulently claimed the photo was taken, there have been no more than 4 stonings in 28 years of Islamic rule.

And if you look at the Iranian Islamic Penal Code, Book II – Hodoud, Section I – Shari’a-based Punishment for Adultery, it is clear why.

The accused needs to be convicted on the word of four witnesses (which is unlikely) or they have to sabotage themselves by confessing four times, and even then the judge doesn’t have to accept the confession, which is even more unlikely.

So every picture or video you see of a state stoning in Iran is bound to be a fake, every account fictionalized propaganda. “Islamo-fascism awareness week” alerts us, not to the threat from Islamic extremism, but the threat from Zionism and religious intolerance.

[link to stephiblog.wordpress.com]


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So lets explore who is David Horowitz the creator of this fake....

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Sadly all groups have their extremist and propagandist puppets. : (
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Islamic Guy. I would k### you if you showed up at my doorstep. It's called compassion.
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Why am I not surprised?
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So who is David Horowitz and why is he creating fake photo's?...

David Joel Horowitz (born 10 January 1939) is an American neo-conservative writer and activist.

Once a prominent supporter of Marxism and a member of the New Left in the 1960s, Horowitz later rejected Leftism and is now on the right of the political spectrum.

He is a founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), and has served as president of that organization for many years.

He is the editor of the conservative website FrontPage Magazine, and his writings can also be read on prominent news sites and publications, including the conservative magazine NewsMax.

He founded the activist group Students for Academic Freedom and is affiliated with Campus Watch. He occasionally appears on the Fox News Channel as an analyst.


Early life and career

David Horowitz was born in 1939 to a Jewish family in Forest Hills, a neighborhood of the New York City borough of Queens.

His parents, Phil and Blanche Horowitz, were school teachers in nearby Sunnyside Gardens. Horowitz attended Columbia University and later the University of California, Berkeley, where he received a master's degree in English literature.

His parents were long-standing members of the Communist Party. While still identifying as a Marxist, Horowitz, along with many other left wing figures of his generation, sought to distance himself from the Soviet Union.

Horowitz was employed during the 1960s as a political aide to Bertrand Russell.Horowitz at this time was a close friend and associate of Marxist historian Isaac Deutscher. Horowitz wrote a biography of Deutscher in 1971.
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Hey IG, when did you move to Canada??


Ohhh, here's a photo to ponder!!


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More on Horowitz...

This is the same guy that eluded that Ron Paul supporters were "terrorists" on the Glenn Beck show...

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Criticism of Ron Paul

On Glenn Beck's CNN Headline News show, Horowitz recently criticized Ron Paul's US Presidential candadacy.

"I think it's very significant he (Ron Paul) chose Guy Fawkes as an image...There are plenty, unfortunately, libertarian websites which are indistinguishable from the anti-American left these days - LewRockwell.com and others like that - they are totally in bed with the Islamofascists and have turned against this country."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Furthermore if you watch this video, you will hear him admit that he is a communist, and that his parents had to flee this country because they were quote "plotting against it"

I'll let people connect the dots on there own...but I'll give you a hint - Neo-cons are Jewish communists working to overthrow America...
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So how is this same photo, not a real Iranian woman at all, but an actor in a film, being used wrongly to stifle debate and garner support on GLP?

Here are two examples:

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A poster comments that someone repect Muslim beliefs, and another poster types -

"The deeply held beliefs of others? You horse's ass.."

...and then follows with this photo.

Thread: The 'religion of peace' in action: Sudan protesters scream for UK 'teddy bear teacher' to be shot (Page 2)


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In another thread the same poster.



Re: Is this why Iran has no homosexuality?

Is this why Iran has no homosexuality?

And women are treated worse than cattle.
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Yes and yes..


...flashes the fake picture...




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The problem here being that without context, this picture looks like the real deal, and after seeing it enough the mind begins to associate it with Iran.

Visual propaganda.
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It doesn't take away the fact that stoning does go on in Islam and other parts of the middle east.

International Women's Day

Maryam Namazie's speech on international women's day, in commemoration of Hatun...Maryam Namazie Political Islam Honour Killings Women Rights Iran





Put an end to stoning women.....

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I will be coming back to this thread again later, there are other hoaxed pics being used on this site, but I haven't the time now to expose them...

But please consider what I'm saying.
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First propaganda photo:

[link to stephiblog.files.wordpress.com]

STONED IRANIAN WOMAN.

The woman here is in fact a dutch actress named Smadar Monsinos, and it is a still frame from a Dutch movie called De Steen.

Here is a photo of the actress next to her fictional "Iranian lady" portrayal.

[link to www.inminds.co.uk]
 Quoting: Islamic__Guy



I wonder if this post will elicit a comment from a poster who has used the picture in his comments, a slanderous picture to back up his bullshit argument. Whats a matter Mr. Goat? Can't handle the truth?
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There is no honour in any system that allows this to continue.


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Same user put a spin on Leo Frank lynching too. Flashing a photo calling them haters, they were judges, lawyers, citizens etc. seeking justice after an over turned conviction/sentence to death for rape/murder of a 14 year old factory worker.

Posted photos. : /



So how is this same photo, not a real Iranian woman at all, but an actor in a film, being used wrongly to stifle debate and garner support on GLP?

Here are two examples:

1

A poster comments that someone repect Muslim beliefs, and another poster types -

"The deeply held beliefs of others? You horse's ass.."

...and then follows with this photo.

Thread: The 'religion of peace' in action: Sudan protesters scream for UK 'teddy bear teacher' to be shot (Page 2)


2

In another thread the same poster.



Re: Is this why Iran has no homosexuality?

Is this why Iran has no homosexuality?

And women are treated worse than cattle.
Quoting: mal'ak


Yes and yes..


...flashes the fake picture...




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The problem here being that without context, this picture looks like the real deal, and after seeing it enough the mind begins to associate it with Iran.

Visual propaganda.
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I don't wish anyone death / harm though. That's between you two groups. That's why I am always one everyones case for dragging their agenda and bullshit here to a conspiracy site.

Normally falls on deaf ears, and several megaphone users frequent this site (and mod it even).



So. Till them, both you crazy fucking groups. As you were. :p
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No, it certainly doesn't. It does however add up to 100% pure bullshit that we must wade through posted by them.

It doesn't take away the fact that stoning does go on in Islam and other parts of the middle east.

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Jeeze...wish I could find the link. A video put out by an Islamic womens' rights group....little girls missing entire parts of their bodies. Little rumpled bodies lying in heaps. Women with their noses and ears cut off, and their eyes gouged out. I have a strong stomach and it nearly made me puke.

So, yeah, I agree. Let's quit with propaganda photos and other fakery and just post the real shit. There's enough of it out there.
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I will be coming back to this thread again later, there are other hoaxed pics being used on this site, but I haven't the time now to expose them...

But please consider what I'm saying.
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Did you see the video that Lotus posted?
You really need to watch it if you haven't.
Woman are being beaten, tortured, silenced and killed every day in Islamic nations.
The treatment of woman like this cannot go on.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing parts of religion and culture that HURT other people.

You need to accept that there are very dark things that occur in the name of Islam. This is not racism, this is a fact.

The sooner people accept this, the sooner people can get to work in changing the way women are treated. The better you, your family and all of Islam will be for it.
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Jeeze...wish I could find the link. A video put out by an Islamic womens' rights group....little girls missing entire parts of their bodies. Little rumpled bodies lying in heaps. Women with their noses and ears cut off, and their eyes gouged out. I have a strong stomach and it nearly made me puke.

So, yeah, I agree. Let's quit with propaganda photos and other fakery and just post the real shit. There's enough of it out there.
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Or some group saying they are an "Islamic womens' rights group", gotta whip up the hysteria ehough so the morons accept the next war you know.
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Don't be fooled by either the megaphonies or the lamatards. They both seek support for their hate, yet when you call them on their lies, you are labled.

This place used to be smooth. Conspiracy Central.


Now, we are over ran with hate, seriously. It isn't in observation, it's in truth and before your eyes. Simply click 'forum' and see for yourself.

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You get the point. It's Agenda, 9/10ths of the posts are chalked full of it.
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Seems like I remember a story in the new testament about a woman getting stoned to death, and it wasnt muslims doing it.

DOnt get me wrong,its not right to kill a woman because she cheated on her husband, but it sure does cut down on the welfare mommas and the broke dick daddys without a pot to piss in, as well as children who have to live in a broken family.
Amazing as it sounds, the harsh law cuts down on human suffering in the long run, if you think about it honestly.
I odnt agree with it, but I think a cheating spouse should be punished under the law. We used to have laws like that in

Thier punishment is harsh because they think its a big deal. They are on the oposite side of the spectrum from us, divorce and cheating are considered normal and "alright" in the west. The question is , for WHO?
Another point I feel compelled to bring up, I think jews fear Islamic law because of its prohibition of dishonesty. I'm not worried about Islamic jihad and you shouldn't be either. If they were to attack us, they would be giving credence to the warhawaks' policies, and I think they know better. Then theyd have hell to pay, and we would be the banker.
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Second set of hoaxed propaganda photo's:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.

How many times have we all seen this gem...the "militant Muslim" holding the placard that says - BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.

But how many have wondered - is this real?

It's not.

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This is just one from a set of "danish cartoon protester" photo's - I think in the UK.




Consider this:

[link to www.net-games.biz]

Placard reads: BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.

Besides the obvious pixel bleed around the lettering, (indicative trademark of photoshop), especially the "y" and the "v", you also find this in cyberspace...

THE EXACT SAME PHOTO.

Only in this one the placard reads: BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM

[link to mypetjawa.mu.nu]

Obviously some fakery going on here.


Here are some other photo's from that day that might raise some eyebrows...

You will notice that all of the lettering has this strange loopy writing, and they are obviously written by the same person.

You'll also notice that they are made in EXACTLY the same way - that I've only seen done by a slant-tipped black marker.

But what size would the marker have to be to make lines this thick?

Have you ever seen a marker this big?

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Here is a shy guy, obviously going to great pains to hide his identity as he holds his sign...his sign has a very distinct "g"

[link to alienmemoirs.typepad.com]


Here is THE SAME SIGN,

[link to newsimg.bbc.co.uk]

Same distinctive "g" except the man seems to no longer be shy, changed his coat, lost his scarf, and changed his skin color.

Different guy...but maybe the sign changed hands...except this sign, with EXACT lettering, seems to have grown in size...


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Here is another photo, and the offending cartoon,the one that everyone is SO angry about is drawn on the sign!

And drawn with such hair splitting detail that the original artist would be jealous...

Did the crude, giant marker wielding preschool artist that made the rest of these signs also draw this near perfect replica of the offensive cartoon?

[link to i133.photobucket.com]


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In my research I also came across many obviously photo-shopped joke renditions of these signs, which show that it is well possible to fake or change these signs to say anything...

So at the end of the day, is it even possible to tell what these signs say?

If our eyes can be so easily fooled, someone with an agenda could easily use this to manipulate you.

Please consider it, at least some of these are faked.
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Second set of hoaxed propaganda photo's:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.
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LOL, dude is some guy at a football game or something, it's satire and I don't think anyone ever believed that was some serious Islamic guy who really meant it, it's always been a joke as far as I know. Crazy thing is though, how many Islamic radicals really think that way...;)
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Second set of hoaxed propaganda photo's:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.

LOL, dude is some guy at a football game or something, it's satire and I don't think anyone ever believed that was some serious Islamic guy who really meant it, it's always been a joke as far as I know.
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Well I know for fact that there are some people who do think it's real...not every one is as smart...and this type of joke is cultural...

There are people who culturally would never joke in this manner, and it would never enter their minds that this is a joke.

Some people would think it's real...
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Second set of hoaxed propaganda photo's:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT.

LOL, dude is some guy at a football game or something, it's satire and I don't think anyone ever believed that was some serious Islamic guy who really meant it, it's always been a joke as far as I know.


Well I know for fact that there are some people who do think it's real...not every one is as smart...and this type of joke is cultural...

There are people who culturally would never joke in this manner, and it would never enter their minds that this is a joke.

Some people would think it's real...
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Thing is dude, whether the exact image or not is of a real actual event, they do depict real events, and real ways of thinking. If I see some documentary film still of Jeffery Dalmers refrigerator I don't think, Hey! that's just a re-enactment! Jeff's okay! I think, man, that dude was fucked up. Face it you Islamics have some issues, don't blow em off because they make films about it and some stills about what really does happen get passed around, work on em and don't make excuses......
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