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What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"

 
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What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"

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Date: 2007-11-19, 3:52AM PST


I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were fucking treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an asshole than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.

So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've fucked yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't fucking want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy
another (formerly) NiceGuy
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12/13/2007 12:35 PM
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great post OP !!! bump
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 12:35 PM
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I got a nice guy, and have been keeping this wonderful treasure very happy for over 30 years. But he was more interested in me as a person than in my rather homely face and body.

Nice guys get found by smart women, and we marry them. They make awesome (and snuggly) husbands.
Banshee Tiger

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12/13/2007 12:39 PM
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12/13/2007 12:46 PM
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What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9482


Oh, that's easy, the American women breed them all out of existence.

Welcome to the "utopican" society of the descendents of the "bad boys". LOL

Just kidding, sort of. hf
Sireen-reborn

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12/13/2007 12:50 PM
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Great post, and sadly very true.

ALL us women have had a man or two in our lives that fit the bill of "Nice Guy" that we just didn't see as a romantic possibility.

It's true, we have no right to bitch if we were given the opportunity and turned it down for whatever superficial reasons seemed to fly at the time.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 12:50 PM
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I think they finished last.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 12:53 PM
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no more mr. nice guy
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:03 PM
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hf
LukeAtMyDik

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12/13/2007 01:26 PM
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im one of the nice guys who,s in this video
can i melt yur heart ladies :-) [link to video.google.com]
LKXXON
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12/13/2007 01:28 PM
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I agree with you OP. However, I am not so sure women (younger women) do this by choice. I believe there is an evolutionary reason they are attracted to the alpha males. And we all know you cant “decide” who floats your boat. As women age I believe that evolutionary call for the alpha male subsides a little. Now of course I have no link or facts on this theory it is just my opinion.

And as a disclaimer of course I do not think this applies to “all” women just the majority of them.
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12/13/2007 01:31 PM
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and last but not least [link to video.google.com]
LKXXON
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12/13/2007 01:32 PM
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Great post OP--get better soon the women are waiting !! hiding
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:32 PM
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I beat them up.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:35 PM
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One girls nice guy, is another girls asshole.

Men are just as guilty of this. They dont want nice girls. They dont want to be "mothered", "helped", "taken care of." Oh sure, sleep with them, buy them gifts, cook for them, drive them around, pay for dinner-but that's not the girl that turns you on. You men want a "challenge". You fawn all over the bitches, the slutty girls, the ones that DONT act like the pathetic female. And worse-at least us women wont sleep with the nice guy platonic boyfriend.....whereas the men will, thereby sending an even WORSE mixed message.

Face it-people just don't want nice people anymore. Sad world, indeed.
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12/13/2007 01:38 PM
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Land of Confusion
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12/13/2007 01:41 PM
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One girls nice guy, is another girls asshole.

Men are just as guilty of this. They dont want nice girls. They dont want to be "mothered", "helped", "taken care of." Oh sure, sleep with them, buy them gifts, cook for them, drive them around, pay for dinner-but that's not the girl that turns you on. You men want a "challenge". You fawn all over the bitches, the slutty girls, the ones that DONT act like the pathetic female. And worse-at least us women wont sleep with the nice guy platonic boyfriend.....whereas the men will, thereby sending an even WORSE mixed message.

Face it-people just don't want nice people anymore. Sad world, indeed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325976

big difference.

we'll fuck the sluts and marry the nice ones.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:41 PM
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be a MAN
stop whining
a real man is not 'nice'
he takes what is his.
end.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:41 PM
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OP... YOU'RE A FUCKING STUD... This the most truthful approach to the "nice guy" scenario Ive ever read...

Thank you.. You just made this "nice guy's" day cheers
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 01:44 PM
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Wow! So many people on this forum who are dead set on an all out sex-war. Why so much hatred of women? An occasional bit of hurt feelings in the dating game doesn't need to turn into 'all women are scheming bitches', nor does the occasional dead-beat father need to become 'all men are irresponsible callous bastards'. Individual behaviour needs to be acknowledged as just that - particular to that individual of whichever sex. Where's the co-operation people? We're all stuck in this together you know, so best to make the most of it.
caligirl9

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i think it's also true that women compete with their circle of female friends for the "status boyfriend" which will make them a sort of "alpha female" in their little group of friends. as time goes by and their girlfriends gradually pair off with less-than-alpha males, or 1 of the girls ends up with a wealthy guy (lawyer, doctor) and it's more of a "game over, i can't compete with that" type of thing, she feels less pressure to impress. don't mean all women are like this, but i've seen it quite a bit. of course, people can point the finger and say that men do this too, in their group of friends when it comes trying to get the best looking girlfriend. thing is though, that both groups are shallow and deserve each other. forces them to keep hurting each other until they grow the hell up, finally. that's the only way some people learn.
Saxon
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12/13/2007 01:58 PM
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i think it's also true that women compete with their circle of female friends for the "status boyfriend" which will make them a sort of "alpha female" in their little group of friends. as time goes by and their girlfriends gradually pair off with less-than-alpha males, or 1 of the girls ends up with a wealthy guy (lawyer, doctor) and it's more of a "game over, i can't compete with that" type of thing, she feels less pressure to impress. don't mean all women are like this, but i've seen it quite a bit. of course, people can point the finger and say that men do this too, in their group of friends when it comes trying to get the best looking girlfriend. thing is though, that both groups are shallow and deserve each other. forces them to keep hurting each other until they grow the hell up, finally. that's the only way some people learn.
 Quoting: caligirl9


Wow, they still have girls like you out in California? Who'd a thought. LOL

True and insightful. hf

p.s. The saddest part of all that "gaming" you're describing is that it minimizes the possibility that any of the "players" will ever find/develop Real Love.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 03:17 PM
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TAKE what you want, that is the problem with parents these days, they don't teach their kids to TAKE what they want as rightfully theirs. People say there is no entitlement, but oh yes, there certainly is, you are entitled to whatever you desire. The fact is, if you take what you want, you will get sex. I'm not talking about rape but owning yourself, you will get sex.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 03:18 PM
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Do you want sex? Well stop whining and be a MAN. Boys do not get sex because they don't know how to be men, they are still children. It is not in our code to be kind people. If you want sex, you will stop whining and be a MAN. As long as you keep whining you will remain a baby and you won't get sex.
Evil Twin

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12/13/2007 03:23 PM
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Being evil is very rewarding.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 03:23 PM
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between porn, the anti-women movement started by the zionist propaganda masters, along with all the crap bombarded at men by the media has corrupted their souls.
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12/13/2007 03:29 PM
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Wow! So many people on this forum who are dead set on an all out sex-war. Why so much hatred of women? An occasional bit of hurt feelings in the dating game doesn't need to turn into 'all women are scheming bitches', nor does the occasional dead-beat father need to become 'all men are irresponsible callous bastards'. Individual behaviour needs to be acknowledged as just that - particular to that individual of whichever sex. Where's the co-operation people? We're all stuck in this together you know, so best to make the most of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 339603


Sad how so many have been psychologically manipulated by the propaganda and don't even realize it. They probably wonder why they feel so angry. American society is so screwed, and purposely so. When the women-hating movement started I really didn't think it would take off because it's so ingrained for men and women to be attracted to one another and to seek out a mate. But it's worked all too well, maybe they want the guys to turn gay. Maybe those who are the worst women-haters, who have really gone for it ARE gay but don't want to recognize it.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 03:29 PM
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Nice guys don't want the drama and accidental pregnancies so that you might have to garnish their wages after you break up with them and use them as an ATM.

Nice guys don't want bitches who are 'high maintenance bitches' who think that their man needs to kneel down before them without the threat of leaving them for that other guy over there.

Nice guys are just tired of being used, is all, but thank for the offer, girlfriend.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2007 03:33 PM
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Every real man knows that what a women really wants is to first be psychologically then gynecologically conquered.

From their man, they don't want a shoulder to cry on but a pair of shoulders to cry about.
Kalah

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12/13/2007 03:45 PM
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i hear what you're saying. i don't date, but i have watched my sister take up with flashy lookin, dramatic guys, who all have turned out to be some or another kind of loser. she actually says she likes the bad boys. i've seen the ones who adore her, the actual nice ones, they don't look so flashy, but i think if given a chance they would be way deeper, more interesting, and sexy than the flashy ones. at her age, she still hasn't learned. i suspect if she gave one of the lesser flashy ones a chance, she would be pleasantly surprised, and wouldn't end up in the disaster zone like she does at the end of of her ill begotten affairs.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
Sireen-reborn

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I idea of a perfect man is one that is MANLY by all means, knows what to share with his woman and what NOT to share, is someone that seems unconquerable, yet will allow himself to melt in the arms of a woman that truely loves him.

He doesn't cry easily
He doesn't whine
He knows to leave work at work
He takes charge as head of the household but considers SERIOUSLY his woman's opinion on the issue.
He's a bad ass, his woman can feel confidently safe with him
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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