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GENESIS: Really Means Genes of Isis or Generation of Isis

 
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I successfully countered the fallacy of the premise of the thread. I then successfully refuted the nonsense posted by a/c 344189.

I notice that 344189 offered no response to the information linked. Curious, no?

Finally, in lieu of an honest cognitively stimulating response from the OP regarding my rebuttal to the original premise or the disinformation put forth by a/c 344189, HT resorts to a personal attack - and ironically, one in which he, himself, by virtue of his lack of integrity in debate, is obviously guilty of.

Being fairly new to the forum, I am yet learning who among you will offer true food for thought and challenge me on an intellectual level with honesty and integrity. I grow from such, as would you.
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I did not click on your links.

My posts were not disinformation, as I have no desire to mislead anyone on anything.

As I've said, religion is meant to control people. Always has, always will.

I have made no personal attacks on you or anyone else. I am ok with you believing as you will; thats freedom and I wish you all the best with it.

It is not my desire to debate you or anyone else; debating with religious folks is like talking to a rock. They believe what they have been conditioned to believe.

I also have no desire to "challenge you". I am not Yoda and you are not my student. And I do not tutor.

You have successfully refuted nothing; you have only shown you adhere dogmatically to the religion you were spoon fed.

You must, as you have nothing else to adhere to.

You fear the unknown, you fear the guy with the pitchfork, you fear going to an imaginary place called "hell".

Your entire religion is a man-made, fear based dogma.

But I do wish you all the best, if that is your choice.
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One day,

you will no longer have the option of the choice.

Choose this day.

Choose wisely.
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To say that Jesus is a myth
betrays such an unreasonable prejudice
that it is nothing short of deliberate and intentional ignorance.

You are stupid on-purpose because the truth and facts and evidence and secondary
to your desire to not believe what won't believe.

Congratulations. What a rebel. How cool. Good for you.
I don't see how.. but whatever.
How long will you remain among the living?

You never know what a day may bring.
Guarantee you, they didn't:
[link to www.mydeathspace.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331010


Again, a fear based post.

In a nutshell, this poster is saying "one day you will die, and then you will be sorry".

FEAR.

Death is nothing to fear. Everybody dies; well, their body dies, but the spirit/soul is eternal, hence your body dying is no big deal.

Jesus is a metaphorical astrology story. Nothing to fear. It has meaning, for sure.

But it is not meant to be taken literally. There was no real, historical Jesus, Joseph, or Mary.

That is not an attack on you, it just is what it is.
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To say that Jesus is a myth
betrays such an unreasonable prejudice
that it is nothing short of deliberate and intentional ignorance.

You are stupid on-purpose because the truth and facts and evidence and secondary
to your desire to not believe what won't believe.

Congratulations. What a rebel. How cool. Good for you.
I don't see how.. but whatever.
How long will you remain among the living?

You never know what a day may bring.
Guarantee you, they didn't:
[link to www.mydeathspace.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331010


The deliberate and intentional ignorance is yours. Evidence which is overwhelming, contradicts the accuracy of your scriptures. The story lines are contradictory as well as fabricated. As far as being a rebel against the system you are correct.

It is you sir, who continues to spread lies and falsehoods continuing the generational brainwashing. It is you sir who will have to answer for your lies and ignorance..

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One day,

you will no longer have the option of the choice.

Choose this day.

Choose wisely.
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Another fear based post; either believe as he does, or well, you are in trouble. FEAR FEAR FEAR.

There is nothing to fear.

There are no choices one needs to be concerned with.
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One day,

you will no longer have the option of the choice.

Choose this day.

Choose wisely.
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Sorry, my last post was to A/C 010
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12/23/2007 04:46 PM
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Jesus Christ-
Liar, lunatic, or Lord.

Those are your only honest answer options.
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Surely you jest...Perhaps these are the only answers for those with limited thinking, or the brainwashed masses...

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One day,

you will no longer have the option of the choice.

Choose this day.

Choose wisely.
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LOL...I suggest you do the same...


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To say that Jesus is a myth
betrays such an unreasonable prejudice
that it is nothing short of deliberate and intentional ignorance.

You are stupid on-purpose because the truth and facts and evidence and secondary
to your desire to not believe what won't believe.

Congratulations. What a rebel. How cool. Good for you.
I don't see how.. but whatever.
How long will you remain among the living?

You never know what a day may bring.
Guarantee you, they didn't:
[link to www.mydeathspace.com]


Again, a fear based post.

In a nutshell, this poster is saying "one day you will die, and then you will be sorry".

FEAR.

Death is nothing to fear. Everybody dies; well, their body dies, but the spirit/soul is eternal, hence your body dying is no big deal.

Jesus is a metaphorical astrology story. Nothing to fear. It has meaning, for sure.

But it is not meant to be taken literally. There was no real, historical Jesus, Joseph, or Mary.

That is not an attack on you, it just is what it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 344189

Desperate evasions from an unpenetant heart.

It's not fear. It is reality.
You may be dead tomorrow.
I may be dead tomorrow.

If you do not accept the extra-biblical historical references for the existence of Jesus Christ
then you cannot honestly and intellectually accept the existence of virtually any historical figure prior to the last two hundred years.

You have not thought this through.
You are parroting what you have found that supports your desire to avoid the questions inherent in the reality of God and the Bible
by attempting to sidestep them entirely.
Can you really so-easily dupe yourself?
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12/23/2007 04:51 PM
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The bible isnt meant to be taken literally. It's astrotheology.

The prophets of the Bible don't say that.
God doesn't say that.
Jesus Christ doesn't say that.

You say that.

Sometimes it is literal.
Sometimes it is metaphorical.
It is not difficult or complicated to distinguish between the two.

Take the Bible seriously.

It is always still surprising the lengths some will go to, the things people will believe,
and the things people will not only not believe but refuse to even consider or examine,
all in their intentional effort to deny God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331010


I have never denied "god" or a creator.

What I DO deny, is that god wrote the bible.

I do deny that Jesus wrote the bible. I do deny that the gospel authors were the ral authors of the gospels, as I know this from research. Even the catholic enyclopedia admits the gospel authors are unknown.

"god" never said anything, that I can confirm. The bible is written by man's hand, hence, not reliable.

The bible is a violence filled, hate filled, misogynistic rant, that if anyone followed would quickly find themselves in prison or a psych ward.

Most Christians have never really read the book, and certainly not whith Strong's Concordance or Vine's Expository at hand.

But some of us have.
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To say that Jesus is a myth
betrays such an unreasonable prejudice
that it is nothing short of deliberate and intentional ignorance.

You are stupid on-purpose because the truth and facts and evidence and secondary
to your desire to not believe what won't believe.

Congratulations. What a rebel. How cool. Good for you.
I don't see how.. but whatever.
How long will you remain among the living?

You never know what a day may bring.
Guarantee you, they didn't:
[link to www.mydeathspace.com]


The deliberate and intentional ignorance is yours. Evidence which is overwhelming, contradicts the accuracy of your scriptures. The story lines are contradictory as well as fabricated. As far as being a rebel against the system you are correct.

It is you sir, who continues to spread lies and falsehoods continuing the generational brainwashing. It is you sir who will have to answer for your lies and ignorance..
 Quoting: HardTruth

My only interest is truth.
You call it lies.
You deny Jesus Christ.
You call Deity Incarnate and Truth in the flesh lies.

You serve your Father of Lies.

Jesus Christ will judge between us.
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Jesus Christ-
Liar, lunatic, or Lord.

Those are your only honest answer options.

Surely you jest...Perhaps these are the only answers for those with limited thinking, or the brainwashed masses...
 Quoting: HardTruth

Yet I am certain that you are unwilling and unable to discuss them.
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One day,

you will no longer have the option of the choice.

Choose this day.

Choose wisely.


LOL...I suggest you do the same...
 Quoting: HardTruth

I accept and hope in the pardon offered by Jesus Christ.
I think that is the wisest choice of this limited lifetime.

You think YOU know better.

WE WILL SEE.
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To say that Jesus is a myth
betrays such an unreasonable prejudice
that it is nothing short of deliberate and intentional ignorance.

You are stupid on-purpose because the truth and facts and evidence and secondary
to your desire to not believe what won't believe.

Congratulations. What a rebel. How cool. Good for you.
I don't see how.. but whatever.
How long will you remain among the living?

You never know what a day may bring.
Guarantee you, they didn't:
[link to www.mydeathspace.com]


Again, a fear based post.

In a nutshell, this poster is saying "one day you will die, and then you will be sorry".

FEAR.

Death is nothing to fear. Everybody dies; well, their body dies, but the spirit/soul is eternal, hence your body dying is no big deal.

Jesus is a metaphorical astrology story. Nothing to fear. It has meaning, for sure.

But it is not meant to be taken literally. There was no real, historical Jesus, Joseph, or Mary.

That is not an attack on you, it just is what it is.

Desperate evasions from an unpenetant heart.

It's not fear. It is reality.
You may be dead tomorrow.
I may be dead tomorrow.

If you do not accept the extra-biblical historical references for the existence of Jesus Christ
then you cannot honestly and intellectually accept the existence of virtually any historical figure prior to the last two hundred years.

You have not thought this through.
You are parroting what you have found that supports your desire to avoid the questions inherent in the reality of God and the Bible
by attempting to sidestep them entirely.
Can you really so-easily dupe yourself?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331010



The one who has been duped easily is you...LOL. Is it not written that the the road to salvation is narrow and spacious?

Is it also not written that the road to destruction is broad and crowded? Is not about 70% or more so of the world christians? Then by your own biblical judgments it is you sir who is on that road to destruction. I am not!!


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Desperate evasions from an unpenetant heart.

It's not fear. It is reality.
You may be dead tomorrow.
I may be dead tomorrow.

If you do not accept the extra-biblical historical references for the existence of Jesus Christ
then you cannot honestly and intellectually accept the existence of virtually any historical figure prior to the last two hundred years.

You have not thought this through.
You are parroting what you have found that supports your desire to avoid the questions inherent in the reality of God and the Bible
by attempting to sidestep them entirely.
Can you really so-easily dupe yourself?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331010


Nothing to evade.

My heart is good, no need for penitence.

If I die today or 40 years from now, it matters not. I refuse to fear. As there is nothing to fear.

As for Jesus, there are zero references to him, outside of the NT, that are contemporaneous to his lifetime.

Please dont try the "Josephus wrote this " line, as Josephus did not live contemporary to Jesus, and the verse on Jesus is largely viewed as a later addition, IE Forgery.

The church was a forgery mill. They know the Jesus scam. They created it.
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Desperate evasions from an unpenetant heart.

It's not fear. It is reality.
You may be dead tomorrow.
I may be dead tomorrow.

If you do not accept the extra-biblical historical references for the existence of Jesus Christ
then you cannot honestly and intellectually accept the existence of virtually any historical figure prior to the last two hundred years.

You have not thought this through.
You are parroting what you have found that supports your desire to avoid the questions inherent in the reality of God and the Bible
by attempting to sidestep them entirely.
Can you really so-easily dupe yourself?


Nothing to evade.

My heart is good, no need for penitence.

If I die today or 40 years from now, it matters not. I refuse to fear. As there is nothing to fear.

As for Jesus, there are zero references to him, outside of the NT, that are contemporaneous to his lifetime.

Please dont try the "Josephus wrote this " line, as Josephus did not live contemporary to Jesus, and the verse on Jesus is largely viewed as a later addition, IE Forgery.

The church was a forgery mill. They know the Jesus scam. They created it.
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AS YOU WISH.
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I did not click on your links.

And yet, you'll accuse me of choosing to remain....unlearned and ignorant of the truth.

My posts were not disinformation, as I have no desire to mislead anyone on anything.

You'll never know whether they are disinformation or not. See above, by your own admission.

As I've said, religion is meant to control people. Always has, always will.

Agreed. I am not a proponent of religion. I am of God. There is a very big difference. You might make note of the fact that the only people that Yeshua ever truly railed against were the religious ones.

I have made no personal attacks on you or anyone else. I am ok with you believing as you will; thats freedom and I wish you all the best with it.

I didn't accuse you of the attack. I, rightfully, accused HT. Freedom to choose is a function of a loving creator.

It is not my desire to debate you or anyone else; debating with religious folks is like talking to a rock. They believe what they have been conditioned to believe.

So, if they believe differently than you.....they must be conditioned? Nice labeling there, albeit in error.


I also have no desire to "challenge you". I am not Yoda and you are not my student. And I do not tutor.

I look forward to challenges from those whom I consider my equal. The Yoda/student representation is not one of equals.

You have successfully refuted nothing; you have only shown you adhere dogmatically to the religion you were spoon fed.

Again, you'll never know. See above, by your own admission. Spoon fed is metaphorical for feeding an infant. You've done a nice end around insult - classy.

You must, as you have nothing else to adhere to.

I've studied it all, without refusing to look at information provided by others....even it it meant that I might have to reevaluate my position.

You fear the unknown, you fear the guy with the pitchfork, you fear going to an imaginary place called "hell".

I fear nothing of the sort. How presumptious of you to tell me of my fears. Unfortunately, your crystal ball seems to be in the blink.

Your entire religion is a man-made, fear based dogma.

An assertion that you cannot substantiate. All you can do is to repeat it over and over again hoping that not only others, but, maybe you might believe it eventually.

But I do wish you all the best, if that is your choice.

That wish reeks of disingenuity after the yoda/student and spoon fed metaphors. I'll accept it at face value, though, thank you. Peace be to you and may you find that which you seek.
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The one who has been duped easily is you...LOL. Is it not written that the the road to salvation is narrow and spacious?

Is it also not written that the road to destruction is broad and crowded? Is not about 70% or more so of the world christians? Then by your own biblical judgments it is you sir who is on that road to destruction. I am not!!

 Quoting: HardTruth

"Narrow and spacious"? Spacious?!
No, it doesn't say that.

Do you seriously think you incorrectly quote the Scriptures I believe at me as evidence that I don't believe something correctly?

Seriously, how old are you, just so I know, so I can have a better sense of who I am relating with here.

I guess you are 22-26.
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I accept and hope in the pardon offered by Jesus Christ.
I think that is the wisest choice of this limited lifetime.

You think YOU know better.

WE WILL SEE.
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If you need a "pardon", then you obviously have been living a depraved life.

You feel guilty about how you are living your life.

Maybe you are doing bad things.

Some of us are actually leading good lives, being kind to our fellow man, woman, children and animals.

I would say that you are projecting your depraved life on to others, who have no need of a "pardon".

Only criminals need "pardons".
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The one who has been duped easily is you...LOL. Is it not written that the the road to salvation is narrow and spacious?

Is it also not written that the road to destruction is broad and crowded? Is not about 70% or more so of the world christians? Then by your own biblical judgments it is you sir who is on that road to destruction. I am not!!


"Narrow and spacious"? Spacious?!
No, it doesn't say that.

Do you seriously think you incorrectly quote the Scriptures I believe at me as evidence that I don't believe something correctly?

Seriously, how old are you, just so I know, so I can have a better sense of who I am relating with here.

I guess you are 22-26.
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You got my meaning did you not? Don't sidestep the point..

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I accept and hope in the pardon offered by Jesus Christ.
I think that is the wisest choice of this limited lifetime.

You think YOU know better.

WE WILL SEE.


If you need a "pardon", then you obviously have been living a depraved life.

You feel guilty about how you are living your life.

Maybe you are doing bad things.

Some of us are actually leading good lives, being kind to our fellow man, woman, children and animals.

I would say that you are projecting your depraved life on to others, who have no need of a "pardon".

Only criminals need "pardons".
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You don't know the standards of God. We all fall far short of Gods Righteousness.That is wht we need God's mercy and forgiveness. We don't earn it. We accept the offer humbly and can only say thank you.

Maybe it's about time you think of something you've never thought of?

You think I am concerned by Your Standards then??
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I did not click on your links.

And yet, you'll accuse me of choosing to remain....unlearned and ignorant of the truth.

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Well, in this day and age, I have to think anyone who really believes that "Jesus" actually existed, despite all the evidence that he was invented by the church, has to be dogmatic and a bit unlearned.

I think you believe as you have no other choice.

Your entire thought belief system rests on it.
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I accept and hope in the pardon offered by Jesus Christ.
I think that is the wisest choice of this limited lifetime.

You think YOU know better.

WE WILL SEE.


If you need a "pardon", then you obviously have been living a depraved life.

You feel guilty about how you are living your life.

Maybe you are doing bad things.

Some of us are actually leading good lives, being kind to our fellow man, woman, children and animals.

I would say that you are projecting your depraved life on to others, who have no need of a "pardon".

Only criminals need "pardons".
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And I would gladly compare what I am doing for others to you.

Why is it you immediately entirely assume the WORST of me?

Gee, I wonder why that is...
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Do you seriously think you incorrectly quote the Scriptures I believe at me as evidence that I don't believe something correctly?

Seriously, how old are you, just so I know, so I can have a better sense of who I am relating with here.

I guess you are 22-26.
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Tops.
Maybe even a thoughtful and well-spoken teenager.
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You don't know the standards of God. We all fall far short of Gods Righteousness.That is wht we need God's mercy and forgiveness. We don't earn it. We accept the offer humbly and can only say thank you.

Maybe it's about time you think of something you've never thought of?

You think I am concerned by Your Standards then??
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Which "god"?

Apollo?

Zeus?

Mithra?

Krishna?

Jesus?

Yahweh?

Dionysus?

Bacchus?

We need "god's righteiouness and forgiveness?

What kind of a god creates entities that need his/her forgiveness?

I dont look at my goldfish and think "Hey, you guys better get right with me, or I will make your life hell".

I am not interested in "gods standards".

If he/she wants, he/she can materialize in front of me, and we can have a beer at the pub and discuss what he/she wants from me.

Until then, I have zero use for invisible gods.
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And I would gladly compare what I am doing for others to you.

Why is it you immediately entirely assume the WORST of me?

Gee, I wonder why that is...
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I have to assume you are leading a depraved life, as you need a "pardon".

I would never compare what I do for others with you.

I believe Jesus said to give in secret.

You make the mistake of most christians; they like to tell and show others how they are doing more for their fellow man than anyone else.

A braggart.

A real decent human being just helps others when they can, and expects no accolades for it.

You want everyone to see you as a charitable person, even though you likely have a dark heart.
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Tops.
Maybe even a thoughtful and well-spoken teenager.
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Just keep reading your bible!! It fits your erroneous judgments and false labeling..


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HD thanks for the thumbs up.

Good thread.

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