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Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

 
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The real birth date of the Master

Although millions of people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ all over the world, not one of them can tell you for certain when He was born. I can tell you that Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was in the third century when the Roman Emperor Aurelan proclaimed the winter solstice, December 25th, as a feast day dedicated to the Roman sun god, Sol. With the advent of the winter solstice, each day thereafter becomes increasingly longer. Aurelan decreed that followers of Christ would be "allowed" to celebrate on December 25th because it was convenient to share the Lords birthday with the Roman celebration of their sun god. So this date was determined by the Romans, not the Bible. In fact, the Bible gives no exact date as to when the Lord was born. But it DOES leave us some incredible clues.

There was no snow, or shepards in the snow. In fact, I don't believe there was a "super nova". I know these are pretty bold statements to make, but I can back them up, due to an incredible book written by Victor Paul Wierwille entitled, "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" (thanks to my pal Diane Brown for lending me this book and "The Message of the Stars" which reinforced these conclusions). I will use some of the information from that book and several others to prove my point.

To understand the circumstances concerning the birth of our Lord, we must first understand a little about astronomy - and a little about astrology. The ancients were master astronomers and kept careful records regarding the motions of the stars. At the time of His birth, it must be understood that the ancients did not differentiate between a star or planet - they were considered to be one and the same. We must also remember that stars do not "move" individually but rather they are fixed in relation to each other. So a "super nova" or "star" for the Magi to follow against the celestial background of fixed stars is pretty much out of the question.

So if not a star, what celestial object did the Magi follow? Let me suggest something that DOES move against the back drop of the stars...

a planet.

Planets (and the moon) do move against the back drop of the stars, hence the name, which when translated from the original Greek means,"wandering stars". Keep this in mind as we look at the birth of Jesus. I point this out because the Magi, or three "wise men" followed a "star" from Jerusalem to Bethlahem, where it came to "rest" above a small section of the city, were following a moving "object".

Having established this, let me now suggest the planet. When we think of the Solar System, one of the questions that comes to everyones mind is "which planet is largest"? Well without any doubt, the answer to that question is Jupiter. Jupiter is known as the "king" of planets. It is also extremely bright in the sky, second only to Venus. Interestingly enough, the planet Jupiter was caught up in a special alignment in the constellation of Virgo around 3 BC.

That it may have been a planet instead of a star that the Magi were following does not make this event any less significant. In fact, it brings more meaning to the birth of our Lord. Isn't it fitting that Jupiter, the magnificent king of the planets should herald the birth of the King of Kings? More so than a random star exploding in the night light years away.


A "Revelation"

Revelation 12:1-5

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who as to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne".

When applying Astronomy to this passage, it takes on a new meaning. In the first verse, the translation of the word "wonder" in the original Greek refers to a "sign" - but one of the references to this word refers to the Zodiac - a Zodiacal "sign"...and this sign is obviously the "sign" of a woman. There is only one constellation of the Zodiac that represents a woman - the constellation Virgo, the virgin -.(this obviously being a symbolic"nod" to Mary, the holy mother)

It also mentions the woman was "clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet". The Sun as it appears to travel through the ecliptic (the path the Sun moves across the sky over the course of a year as it passes through the twelve constellations of the Zodiac) enters into the "mid body" of the constellation of Virgo - "clothing her with the sun" for a twenty day period during any given year. There is a very important event being described here - in the year 3 BC the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th.

We are then told that the woman also had the "moon under her feet". In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only - September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm. To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.

As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlahem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have "went before them, till it came and stood". Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlahem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlahem, Jupiter finally "stood over" where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

The great red dragon is of course, Lucifer - whose failed attempt to destroy the Master is thwarted at its onset - as the last passage indicates a future for our Lord ruling the nations with a rod of iron from the throne of God.

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he was born 5 BC, kinda stupid you dont even know the birth of the one your worshiping LOL
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And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?"
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And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."

And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?"
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it's December 31, 1966 this time roud

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OK, sure he was,

Would that be the Jesus H. Christ who was substituted for the Roman soldier who married Mary, the whore?

Or would that be the Christ invented personage of the Roman Banking family of Piso?

Or would that be the Jesus that was derived from previous mythology such as that of the Druid Hesus?

Or I could go on, and on and on.....
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He was not born on Sept 11. Sept 11 is when the Sun is highest in the sky but Pagan Sun Worship is not what the Baptism of Jan 06 was all about.
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Thanks for that link! It confirms the date my post suggested:

Quote from your link:

"Conclusion

So, if you have followed the above reasoning, based on the scriptural evidence, a case can apparently be made that Jesus Christ was born on the 15th day of the month of Tishri, on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, which corresponds to the September - October timeframe of our present calendar!"
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Pity there is nothing about the year when it happened...
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And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."

And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?"
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I can back them up, due to an incredible book written by Victor Paul Wierwille entitled, "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" (thanks to my pal Diane Brown for lending me this book and "The Message of the Stars" which reinforced these conclusions). I will use some of the information from that book and several others to prove my point.
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Tommy777, have you read all of that "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed"? I do which American Christian Press would just release that book into the public domain. Having a copy of "Jesus Christ - Our Passover" (which I have read over and over and over) I would like to add "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" to my collection. And If you are not famliar with Arthur Custance's work in that same area (google him) I think you will find him very interesting.

"The Message of the Stars" is E.W. Bullinger's, am I correct? I have that one in my library, an interesting book, but I do have many many problems with using any form of astronomy or astrology thinly disguised as astronomy such as Bullinger purposes to establish the dating. Why? Because in order to do so one has to subscribe to the doctrine of "Uniformitarianism". One cannot reliably retro calculate much of anything back 2,000 years. The maths just do not hold up and there is no certain database of star locations, planetary locations, etc that go that far back on a day by day or even month by month basis, nothing going back even monthly without any breaks over the past 2,000 years. Retro calculations are fraught with great unprovalbe assumptions and make for back application of Science, unless one want's to dive into Psuedo-science.

All that said, I think there is solid foundation to put the timing of the birth of Jesus the Christ somewhere aroeund on even on the Feast of Tabernacles. What day on a calender that would be would be determined by what ever year it was, as well as the recorded actual first visiable crescent of the New Moon throughout the moon-ths of that year. I think Mopar28m may well be on track given the year she deals with. But again, I do have to emphasize that we cannot really back calculate and make assumptions about the former New Moons and when they occured all the way back month by month to what is known as 3 B.C.

If we ever find a list of the recorded data, recorded by observation, month by month going back that far, then we could be much more certain of the day and the month, and even likely the year, but again counting backwards to that time or even forwards from that time to now, requires the very accurately recorded database from those reliable observations as they happened.
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Hey, Mopar28m, thank you for that link.
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You compare Revelations to a galactic lineup and throw in Lucifer...VENUS??? Good Lord!

Lucifer is Venus. What planet or star looks like a great red DRAGON! Is it Mars or a comet?
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Thread: Jesus was born on Sep 11 /03 BC (and other anomalies of that date)

Jesus was born on Sep 11 /03 BC (and other anomalies of that date)

[link to www.september11news.com]
Our research on September 11 in history uncovered many anomalies and perhaps a significant prophetic sign.
The most startling discovery was a book written in 1981, 20 years prior to the 2001 attacks, called "The
Birth of Christ Recalculated". The author, Dr. Ernest L. Martin, claims to have calculated the exact date of Jesus
Christ's birth based on the celestial charts for that era. The date of Christ's birth, based on the famous Star of
Bethlehem, is calculated to be September 11, 3 B.C.. Dr. Martin's findings have been accepted by many scholars,theologians, historians, and astronomers.

Many biblical scholars, theologians,
historians, and astronomers say that the
Star of Bethlehem, signifying the birth of
Jesus Christ, can be calculated to within a
few hours of September 11, 3 B.C., based
on celestial charts and alignments for that
time. Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first
article on the subject appeared in 1976,
and in 1981 he published his research in
"The Birth of Christ Recalculated". In 1991,
the book was re-released as "The Star that
Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed
in his book, that the signs in the sky on
the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only
one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred
exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between
6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST.
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And ofcourse the Infamous speech of Bush dad
"We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a New World Order, a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations."
President George H.W. Bush, Sept. 11, 1990
On September 11th 1990, U.S. President George H.W. Bush, upholding "democracy" and "peace," declared his "New World Order" in a speech before the US Congress.

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Now tell me there is not a "DIVINE PLAN" = ET PLAN


There is another significant religious event occurring about 2000 years later on September 11, 1999.
According to Hebrew scriptures September 11, 1999 was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation, and
year 1 on the Hebrew calendar.
Most other historic events between those 2,002 years (3 B.C. -1999 A.D.) involve either war or violence.

Pentagon Construction
North Parking Lot
Pentagon Construction
5th Floor Roof Both the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have September 11th in
their history.

On September 11, 1609 the explorer Henry Hudson sailed into New York harbor and discovers Manhattan Island and the Hudson River.

On September 11, 1941 construction
officially begins at the Pentagon.


Other events that appear to have uncanny similar timing in relation to the 9-11-2001 attacks were the 1972 Olympics, and President Bush's 1990 Gulf War Speech.
The world was introduced to terrorism at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. These games ended on September 11, 1972.
There were 121 participating countries (11X11=121), and 11 Israeli athletes were killed. Exactly 29 years (2+9=11) after this terrorist horror ended, another more despicable horror occurred - the September 11,2001 terrorist attacks.

On September 11, 1990 President George Bush (Sr.) made a dramatic speech to Congress, outlining the US position in the Kuwait crisis, and the preliminary steps the US was taking towards the Gulf War. Exactly
11 years later, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked America.

There is another oddity we noted in our research. On September 11, 1772, about 300 Indians and 50 British soldiers began the siege of Fort Henry. This would be the last battle of the American Revolution.

Researchers and historians of this siege are puzzled by the meaning of a comment in a document describing these events.
It was recorded in a letter written by Lydia Cruger (11 letters), and it seems a fitting comment to this section. She wrote, "The siege commenced about sun an hour high, Monday, 11th, at all events, the 11th."

September 11th plays a key role throughout early American history including a failed peace conference with the British on September 11, 1776, and the first day the American flag was used in battle at the
Battle of Brandywine on September 11, 1777.
Following are the significant events of September 11 throughout history.
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Cool info...

Not sure why it matters so much to people though...
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he was actualy born at 9:11 AM
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Not according to Insider.
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I think the best we can do as far as a year is concerned is to work backwards from the destruction of the Temple in what has come to be known as 70 A.D.

If Jesus was born on Sept 15th, 3 B.C. and He was baptized by John as He was 30 years old, that would put His baptism sometime after Sept 15th, 27 A.D.

From my studies I have concluded that Jesus's ministry lasted 3 1/2 years. Coming around a half a year from Sept 15th, 3 B.C. (if it was that year) would put us at the 15th of Nisan (the Abib) Passover of 28 A.D., three more years of ministery then brings us to 15th Nisan of 31 A.D. This then is 39 years before the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

39 is 13 x 3, which could be read as the completion (3) of rebellion (13). The Rebellion of Israel having been completely complete, totally full, resulting in the prophecied destruction of the Temple and the City of Jerusalem by the Roman Legions.

However, is there any Scripture that substantiates the passage of this 39 years from the time of the cutting off of the Messiah unto the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple? If there were then this 3 B.C. would be on more solid ground as a birth year than that claim based on astronomy/astrology.
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Left brain fighting the right again...
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One thing we do know from the text is that the Magi said they had seen His "star". It does not read that the Magi had seen His "sign". "astera" is used in all four verses that deal with this.

I must admit, I find it hard to get a set of planetary conjunctions (signs) out of the single use of the word "star".

I only see five possible candidates here: Asteriod, Nova, Super Nova, or a Comet on a hyperbolic "orbit", or maybe like Comet Holmes, one that just flared up to high positive magnitude brightness, or the Shekianah Glory of God.

Whatever this star was, it stayed visible for at least two years:

(MKJV Mat 2:1) Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men came from the east to Jerusalem,

(Mat 2:2) saying, Where is He who is born king of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him.

(Mat 2:3) But when Herod the king heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

(Mat 2:4) And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

(Mat 2:5) And they said to him, In Bethlehem of Judea. For so it is written by the prophet,

(Mat 2:6) "And you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are not the least among the governors of Judah. For out of you shall come a Governor who shall rule My people Israel."

(Mat 2:7) Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, inquired of them exactly what time the star appeared.

(Mat 2:8) And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child. And when you have found him, bring me word again so that I may come and worship him also.

(Mat 2:9) When they had heard the king, they departed. And lo, the star which they saw in the east went before them until it came and stood over where the child was.

(Mat 2:10) And seeing the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.

(Mat 2:11) And coming into the house, they saw the child with Mary His mother. And they fell down and worshiped Him. And opening their treasures, they presented gifts to Him, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

(Mat 2:12) And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

(Mat 2:13) And when they had departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise and take the young child and His mother and flee into Egypt. And be there until I bring you word, for Herod is about to seek the child to destroy Him.

(Mat 2:14) And he arose and took the young child and his mother by night and departed into Egypt.

(Mat 2:15) And he was there until the death of Herod; so that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the LORD through the prophet, "Out of Egypt I have called My Son."

(Mat 2:16) Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was greatly enraged. And he sent and killed all the boys in Bethlehem, and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had carefully inquired of the wise men.

Until I find reason to revise and adjust, I myself will hold with the 15th of the Seventh Month (Tishri) of 3 B.C. that is to say on the Feast of Tabernacles of 3 B.C.

The problem then is that of aligning the month of Tishri with our modern September and October for the current year.

I would rule out a Comet for the "star" for the reason that there are few known comets that stay visible to the naked eye for two whole years. An Asteroid locked for a short time in near Earth Orbit could conceivably be so locked for two years. I am surprised that next to no one has ever offered an asteriod as a possibile candidate for the Star of Bethlehem.

For all of that, no where are we commanded in the New Testament to keep this "day" as a holy day of rememberance, that is, Unless it was on the Feast of Tabernacles, which was one of the three Feasts that the Children of Israel were commanded to keep. Even so, if a Christian should choose to celebrate Christmas on the 15th of Tishri, no other Christian is to judge him one way or the other.

IMHO, if Christians want to celebrate the birth of Christ Jesus, it would make more sense to celebrate it based on the Scripture evidence of the 15th of Tishri, i.e., on the Feast of Tabernacles, than on December 25th. Doing so would go a long ways toward answering the challenges of the so called "pagans".
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Sick this means we really are going to be raptured soon.
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Count back nine months from Feast of Tabernacles and you arrive at Chanukah, the Feast of Lights. Life begins at conception so at or after Kislev 25 the conception of Yeshua occured.
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The real birth date of the Master

Although millions of people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ all over the world, not one of them can tell you for certain when He was born. I can tell you that Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was in the third century when the Roman Emperor Aurelan proclaimed the winter solstice, December 25th, as a feast day dedicated to the Roman sun god, Sol. With the advent of the winter solstice, each day thereafter becomes increasingly longer. Aurelan decreed that followers of Christ would be "allowed" to celebrate on December 25th because it was convenient to share the Lords birthday with the Roman celebration of their sun god. So this date was determined by the Romans, not the Bible. In fact, the Bible gives no exact date as to when the Lord was born. But it DOES leave us some incredible clues.

There was no snow, or shepards in the snow. In fact, I don't believe there was a "super nova". I know these are pretty bold statements to make, but I can back them up, due to an incredible book written by Victor Paul Wierwille entitled, "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" (thanks to my pal Diane Brown for lending me this book and "The Message of the Stars" which reinforced these conclusions). I will use some of the information from that book and several others to prove my point.

To understand the circumstances concerning the birth of our Lord, we must first understand a little about astronomy - and a little about astrology. The ancients were master astronomers and kept careful records regarding the motions of the stars. At the time of His birth, it must be understood that the ancients did not differentiate between a star or planet - they were considered to be one and the same. We must also remember that stars do not "move" individually but rather they are fixed in relation to each other. So a "super nova" or "star" for the Magi to follow against the celestial background of fixed stars is pretty much out of the question.

So if not a star, what celestial object did the Magi follow? Let me suggest something that DOES move against the back drop of the stars...

a planet.

Planets (and the moon) do move against the back drop of the stars, hence the name, which when translated from the original Greek means,"wandering stars". Keep this in mind as we look at the birth of Jesus. I point this out because the Magi, or three "wise men" followed a "star" from Jerusalem to Bethlahem, where it came to "rest" above a small section of the city, were following a moving "object".

Having established this, let me now suggest the planet. When we think of the Solar System, one of the questions that comes to everyones mind is "which planet is largest"? Well without any doubt, the answer to that question is Jupiter. Jupiter is known as the "king" of planets. It is also extremely bright in the sky, second only to Venus. Interestingly enough, the planet Jupiter was caught up in a special alignment in the constellation of Virgo around 3 BC.

That it may have been a planet instead of a star that the Magi were following does not make this event any less significant. In fact, it brings more meaning to the birth of our Lord. Isn't it fitting that Jupiter, the magnificent king of the planets should herald the birth of the King of Kings? More so than a random star exploding in the night light years away.


A "Revelation"

Revelation 12:1-5

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who as to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne".

When applying Astronomy to this passage, it takes on a new meaning. In the first verse, the translation of the word "wonder" in the original Greek refers to a "sign" - but one of the references to this word refers to the Zodiac - a Zodiacal "sign"...and this sign is obviously the "sign" of a woman. There is only one constellation of the Zodiac that represents a woman - the constellation Virgo, the virgin -.(this obviously being a symbolic"nod" to Mary, the holy mother)

It also mentions the woman was "clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet". The Sun as it appears to travel through the ecliptic (the path the Sun moves across the sky over the course of a year as it passes through the twelve constellations of the Zodiac) enters into the "mid body" of the constellation of Virgo - "clothing her with the sun" for a twenty day period during any given year. There is a very important event being described here - in the year 3 BC the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th.

We are then told that the woman also had the "moon under her feet". In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only - September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm. To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.

As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlahem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have "went before them, till it came and stood". Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlahem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlahem, Jupiter finally "stood over" where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

The great red dragon is of course, Lucifer - whose failed attempt to destroy the Master is thwarted at its onset - as the last passage indicates a future for our Lord ruling the nations with a rod of iron from the throne of God.

Read more here (graphics included):

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 Quoting: tommy777


Yes, Jesus Christ was born September 11 3 B.C. Very accurate. Thanks for sharing this with everyone. I would also like to mention the 9/11 disaster with which we are all familiar. Don't know if there is any significance in the simiar dates, but it does raise the eyebrows.
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hi i know what you mean trying to explain to someone about christ real birth date is hard ....because of what all theese diffrent beliefs out there .. you have to see it to believe it .. i allso have the book ...got mine from my aunt ... well any ways god bless you !dr w
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rome did not do banking: they didnt have enough science beakers to research that yet, and besides they were researching construction for aqueducts
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the son of god (Divi filius) died 40 years before that . we know him by the name of julius cesar . maria magdalena = cleopatra . magda in greek is tower ,maria meens lady . lady of the tower (once there was a big tower in alexandrie we now know as egypt )
jesus is a fairytell from rome to reach more people and keep the power in rome . wake up folks its 2008 !!!!!!!!!!!!
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so does this mean that the date today is really 2005 and we've got an extra 3 years (7½ all together) until the world ends in 2012??!! woohoo!
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The birth of Jesus and The Star of Bethlehem

Finally, On June 17, 2 B.C., Jupiter and Venus, the two brightest objects in the night sky except for the moon, came so close that their disks appeared to touch. This exceptionally rare event could not have been missed by observers such as the Wise Men. Early in the evening of June 17, 2 B.C., the brightest planets in the sky, Jupiter and Venus, merged into a dazzling "star" near the western horizon, according to calculations of modern astronomers. In countries to the east of what was then the kingdom of Judea, observers could have seen the fused planets as a beacon in the direction of Jerusalem.

Astrologers associated Jupiter with the birth of kings and Venus with fertility. The meeting of Jupiter and Venus took place in the constellation Leo the Lion, which the Old Testament of the Bible specifically associates with the Jewish people. And it happened near the brightest star in Leo, Regulus, most closely identified with kingship. There has not been a brighter, closer conjunction of Venus and Jupiter in Leo so near to Regulus in the 2,000 years since.

In September of 3 B.C., Jupiter came into conjunction with Regulus, the star of kingship, the brightest star in the constellation Leo the Lion. Leo was the constellation of kings, and it was associated with the Lion of Judah. Just a month earlier, Jupiter and Venus had almost seemed to touch each other in another close conjunction "in the east" ( [link to www.btinternet.com] Then the conjunction between Jupiter and Regulus was repeated in February and May of 2 B.C.


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Do you mean Emanuel? jesus is a made up name for the savior, Emanuel is what the savior is called.
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Link for Emanuel please?

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