Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

Read more here (graphics included):

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The real birth date of the Master

Although millions of people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ all over the world, not one of them can tell you for certain when He was born. I can tell you that Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was in the third century when the Roman Emperor Aurelan proclaimed the winter solstice, December 25th, as a feast day dedicated to the Roman sun god, Sol. With the advent of the winter solstice, each day thereafter becomes increasingly longer. Aurelan decreed that followers of Christ would be "allowed" to celebrate on December 25th because it was convenient to share the Lords birthday with the Roman celebration of their sun god. So this date was determined by the Romans, not the Bible. In fact, the Bible gives no exact date as to when the Lord was born. But it DOES leave us some incredible clues.

There was no snow, or shepards in the snow. In fact, I don't believe there was a "super nova". I know these are pretty bold statements to make, but I can back them up, due to an incredible book written by Victor Paul Wierwille entitled, "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" (thanks to my pal Diane Brown for lending me this book and "The Message of the Stars" which reinforced these conclusions). I will use some of the information from that book and several others to prove my point.

To understand the circumstances concerning the birth of our Lord, we must first understand a little about astronomy - and a little about astrology. The ancients were master astronomers and kept careful records regarding the motions of the stars. At the time of His birth, it must be understood that the ancients did not differentiate between a star or planet - they were considered to be one and the same. We must also remember that stars do not "move" individually but rather they are fixed in relation to each other. So a "super nova" or "star" for the Magi to follow against the celestial background of fixed stars is pretty much out of the question.

So if not a star, what celestial object did the Magi follow? Let me suggest something that DOES move against the back drop of the stars...

a planet.

Planets (and the moon) do move against the back drop of the stars, hence the name, which when translated from the original Greek means,"wandering stars". Keep this in mind as we look at the birth of Jesus. I point this out because the Magi, or three "wise men" followed a "star" from Jerusalem to Bethlahem, where it came to "rest" above a small section of the city, were following a moving "object".

Having established this, let me now suggest the planet. When we think of the Solar System, one of the questions that comes to everyones mind is "which planet is largest"? Well without any doubt, the answer to that question is Jupiter. Jupiter is known as the "king" of planets. It is also extremely bright in the sky, second only to Venus. Interestingly enough, the planet Jupiter was caught up in a special alignment in the constellation of Virgo around 3 BC.

That it may have been a planet instead of a star that the Magi were following does not make this event any less significant. In fact, it brings more meaning to the birth of our Lord. Isn't it fitting that Jupiter, the magnificent king of the planets should herald the birth of the King of Kings? More so than a random star exploding in the night light years away.


A "Revelation"

Revelation 12:1-5

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who as to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne".

When applying Astronomy to this passage, it takes on a new meaning. In the first verse, the translation of the word "wonder" in the original Greek refers to a "sign" - but one of the references to this word refers to the Zodiac - a Zodiacal "sign"...and this sign is obviously the "sign" of a woman. There is only one constellation of the Zodiac that represents a woman - the constellation Virgo, the virgin -.(this obviously being a symbolic"nod" to Mary, the holy mother)

It also mentions the woman was "clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet". The Sun as it appears to travel through the ecliptic (the path the Sun moves across the sky over the course of a year as it passes through the twelve constellations of the Zodiac) enters into the "mid body" of the constellation of Virgo - "clothing her with the sun" for a twenty day period during any given year. There is a very important event being described here - in the year 3 BC the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th.

We are then told that the woman also had the "moon under her feet". In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only - September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm. To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.

As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlahem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have "went before them, till it came and stood". Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlahem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlahem, Jupiter finally "stood over" where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

The great red dragon is of course, Lucifer - whose failed attempt to destroy the Master is thwarted at its onset - as the last passage indicates a future for our Lord ruling the nations with a rod of iron from the throne of God.

Read more here (graphics included):

[link to www.garone.net]

Read more here (graphics included):

[link to www.garone.net]

The real birth date of the Master

Although millions of people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ all over the world, not one of them can tell you for certain when He was born. I can tell you that Jesus was not born on December 25th. It was in the third century when the Roman Emperor Aurelan proclaimed the winter solstice, December 25th, as a feast day dedicated to the Roman sun god, Sol. With the advent of the winter solstice, each day thereafter becomes increasingly longer. Aurelan decreed that followers of Christ would be "allowed" to celebrate on December 25th because it was convenient to share the Lords birthday with the Roman celebration of their sun god. So this date was determined by the Romans, not the Bible. In fact, the Bible gives no exact date as to when the Lord was born. But it DOES leave us some incredible clues.

There was no snow, or shepards in the snow. In fact, I don't believe there was a "super nova". I know these are pretty bold statements to make, but I can back them up, due to an incredible book written by Victor Paul Wierwille entitled, "Jesus Christ - Our Promised Seed" (thanks to my pal Diane Brown for lending me this book and "The Message of the Stars" which reinforced these conclusions). I will use some of the information from that book and several others to prove my point.

To understand the circumstances concerning the birth of our Lord, we must first understand a little about astronomy - and a little about astrology. The ancients were master astronomers and kept careful records regarding the motions of the stars. At the time of His birth, it must be understood that the ancients did not differentiate between a star or planet - they were considered to be one and the same. We must also remember that stars do not "move" individually but rather they are fixed in relation to each other. So a "super nova" or "star" for the Magi to follow against the celestial background of fixed stars is pretty much out of the question.

So if not a star, what celestial object did the Magi follow? Let me suggest something that DOES move against the back drop of the stars...

a planet.

Planets (and the moon) do move against the back drop of the stars, hence the name, which when translated from the original Greek means,"wandering stars". Keep this in mind as we look at the birth of Jesus. I point this out because the Magi, or three "wise men" followed a "star" from Jerusalem to Bethlahem, where it came to "rest" above a small section of the city, were following a moving "object".

Having established this, let me now suggest the planet. When we think of the Solar System, one of the questions that comes to everyones mind is "which planet is largest"? Well without any doubt, the answer to that question is Jupiter. Jupiter is known as the "king" of planets. It is also extremely bright in the sky, second only to Venus. Interestingly enough, the planet Jupiter was caught up in a special alignment in the constellation of Virgo around 3 BC.

That it may have been a planet instead of a star that the Magi were following does not make this event any less significant. In fact, it brings more meaning to the birth of our Lord. Isn't it fitting that Jupiter, the magnificent king of the planets should herald the birth of the King of Kings? More so than a random star exploding in the night light years away.


A "Revelation"

Revelation 12:1-5

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who as to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne".

When applying Astronomy to this passage, it takes on a new meaning. In the first verse, the translation of the word "wonder" in the original Greek refers to a "sign" - but one of the references to this word refers to the Zodiac - a Zodiacal "sign"...and this sign is obviously the "sign" of a woman. There is only one constellation of the Zodiac that represents a woman - the constellation Virgo, the virgin -.(this obviously being a symbolic"nod" to Mary, the holy mother)

It also mentions the woman was "clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet". The Sun as it appears to travel through the ecliptic (the path the Sun moves across the sky over the course of a year as it passes through the twelve constellations of the Zodiac) enters into the "mid body" of the constellation of Virgo - "clothing her with the sun" for a twenty day period during any given year. There is a very important event being described here - in the year 3 BC the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th.

We are then told that the woman also had the "moon under her feet". In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only - September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occured at 6:18pm, and moon set occured at 7:39pm. To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.

As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlahem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have "went before them, till it came and stood". Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlahem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlahem, Jupiter finally "stood over" where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.

The great red dragon is of course, Lucifer - whose failed attempt to destroy the Master is thwarted at its onset - as the last passage indicates a future for our Lord ruling the nations with a rod of iron from the throne of God.

Read more here (graphics included):

[link to www.garone.net]

OK, sure he was,

Would that be the Jesus H. Christ who was substituted for the Roman soldier who married Mary, the whore?

Or would that be the Christ invented personage of the Roman Banking family of Piso?

Or would that be the Jesus that was derived from previous mythology such as that of the Druid Hesus?

Or I could go on, and on and on.....

I wonder if the conspiracy of 9-11 had anything to do with the "birth of the NWO"?; to correspond with the true birth of Jesus Christ?

I wonder if the conspiracy of 9-11 had anything to do with the "birth of the NWO"?; to correspond with the true birth of Jesus Christ?


It most certainly did!

Faith in Jesus will protect in in the trouble to come.

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love the fights

Do you mean Emanuel? jesus is a made up name for the savior, Emanuel is what the savior is called.

OK, sure he was,

Would that be the Jesus H. Christ who was substituted for the Roman soldier who married Mary, the whore?

Or would that be the Christ invented personage of the Roman Banking family of Piso?

Or would that be the Jesus that was derived from previous mythology such as that of the Druid Hesus?

Or I could go on, and on and on.....

Link for Emanuel please?

Would that be the Jesus H. Christ who was substituted for the Roman soldier who married Mary, the whore?

Shoot...one day I was minding my own business driving down a side street through central NC...when right in front of a Greek Orthadox Church was a man...all barefoot, wearing a white linen cloth, a white wool blanket tied over his shoulder draping down to his waist, then tied with a rope sash...his hair was past shoulder length kinda dish water blonde, and he was carrying a book...as he walked along I noticed he was looking around..so I turned around, twice, pulled up beside him, and asked what was up...his ice blue eyes twinkled and he said.."oh I was just waiting for someone to notice"...so I asked him if he needed a ride..he did, to a phone he said..so I drove him down the street..couldn't help but notice he was very clean..so I struck up a converstion with him when he asked me what I'd been doing lately...

His feet were not dirty, his clothing was not dirty on the bottom, his nails were perfect, his skin was perfect, in fact I began to think I'd picked up an angel...
so he made his call, and I asked him where he lived..he said in the woods...so I said where do you eat..he said when I can..I asked him what was his name, he said "what's your name"..so I repeated the question, and he repeated his answer..so "What's Your Name" was his name...

Well..then I decided to feed him a subway sandwich, and we went there, he ordered veggie, and a water...so all the time we were eating he noticed, I noticed, how clean he was...so I couldn't resist..I said how long you been doing this? He said 17 years...that he'd been thrown out of Jerusalem , South America, 48 states, and half of Europe...laughing, I said, so speak some Spanish for me..and he proceeded to speak perfect Spanish...so I went down through some languages right off the top of my head, and he never hesitated...so finally I said..so what's next?

He looked a long time out the window, turned those ice blue eyes on me, and said..Raleigh, NC...so, after the meal, I let him out..and he walked away with my address in his book in case he needed a place to sleep...so about five minutes later, I thought I should drive him to Raleigh...turned around..and looked for him..no he didn't disappear, he was back in front of the Greek church...six miles down the road..how did he get there so fast walking, and oh did I mention he had NO MONEY, not even a change purse....so I asked him..he leaned through the window of the car, and smiled at me..and said "you are one persistent lady..now give me a chance to do my work okay...laughing"...and so I drove away..who was he?...
well he sure wasn't Jesus Christ...how do I know?..
I asked him, and he said...I'm What's Your Name...

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