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FSC Cigarettes

 
Anonymous Coward
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12/04/2009 01:17 AM
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For $12.50 a pack i would be saving the butts and rolling them again. lol


oik i did that once, not pleasant
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desperate times, desperate measures. ive done it too.
I live in NC
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12/04/2009 10:09 PM
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You can get all your name brand cigs still as NON FSC!!!

Got mine in about 5 days from North Carolina.

[link to www.carolinacartons.com]

The good cigs are still available! Hurray!!!

At least someone still has some left, but we are going to need to stock pile. Come 2010, the whole country will be FSC, because the manufacturers are switching over Nationwide on Jan. 1, 2010. They will not make 2 production lines any longer because as of that date 38+ states will have the FSC law in effect. Even states without the law will get FSC only starting at the end of 2009 and 100% as of Jan. 1, 2010.

I am going to buy 2 to 3 times the amount I smoke for the next 10 months so I build up at least a year supply for 2010 and I hope after the shit hits the fan on that date that we will band together as a population of 20% of Americans that still smoke and fight this FSC in Washington and get thi repealed and force the manufacturers to start making them the GOOD way again!!!

Stock up and band together to fight this!!!!
 Quoting: fsc is a no no 551477

I live in NC and we already have the FSC cigs here as well..I use tar bar's on my cigs. Have been for several months. I still have a couple of non FSC cigs left..when they are done, so am I. You can go to youtube and type in tar bar for info on these filters. Worth checking in to.
MR.gibbles
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12/04/2009 10:55 PM
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fsc= fing get sick but before thet us gut you of everything you have, ha haha= evil but wateva
kpalacevodka90
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12/08/2009 11:31 PM
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the only reason that they changed the cigarettes is to get people to stop smoking you do not hear often about fires from smoking but you do hear all the time about how they want people to stop smoking and they will do anything to make that happen which is what they did but in reality now it is more dangerous to smoke then to leave on lit and catch their houses on fire.
dawn
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12/09/2009 12:19 AM
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yeah i have also noticed that my cigarettes taste very nastier, and i get a smelly ashy taste in my mouth and when i breathe i get that metallic taste, i agree with you all, that the government didnt care about warning us about this new affect they were trying out, and i know cigarettes are not healthly to begin with, but why make it worse and faster to give us more health porblems, especially like you said what test have actually been done on it, people ask, then why do you keep smoking then, well it easy for those people to say, but its harder to give up for most...
Radar
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12/09/2009 12:16 PM
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Clearly FSC was created by anti-smoking. I have smoked cigarettes for over 40 years. I have not died from smoking. I enjoy smoking, at least, until anti-smoking changed the cigarette recipe to FSC. When I smoked an FSC cigarette I immediately could tell that in addition to the FSC the tobacco was not the same. I am speaking from experience of being a 40 year Marlboro cigarette customer. The FSC cigarette caused me throat illness. It wasn't until I stopped smoking FSC cigarettes and went back to my normal Marlboro cigarettes did my throat illness go away. I cannot smoke FSC cigarettes. Obviously that is what the anti-smoking wants. Which is wrong. I would file a class action lawsuit against the governments, (state and federal) for ruining the health of smokers by forcing FSC on everyone; and removal of choice, i.e. both normal and FSC should be available; NOT a law that forces FSC only with the false pretense of saving houses from burning down. However, I am afraid that a law suit will not do anything for the smokers; Anti-smoking will be supported by the politically correct. So, what can we do? Blackmarket? Equate normal cigarettes to marijuana where you can be sent to jail if you start a business making normal cigarettes? Of course anti-smoking wants everyone to quit and with FSC it looks like they win, we lose. There is nothing that I know of that we can do about this except learn how to make your own cigarette paper and grow your own tobacco. Will the government outlaw that next? By the way, where do I get normal cigarettes? I get them from foreign countries where they do not FSC it.
Anonymous Coward
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12/09/2009 03:32 PM
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I think it's a good idea for the FSC. It keeps you from losing cigarettes by not smoking, and in the event you might fall asleep, you wont burn yourself up. We all know the risks of smoking anyways, like any of us really give a crap about the 'new chemical' in a cigarette, chances are we'll all die of some sort of cancer, so stop your bitching.
cjatsmokerfriendly
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12/10/2009 07:45 AM
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fsc cigarettes are made with ethylene vinyl acetate
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12/11/2009 04:27 PM
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I wanted to comment that the FSC labeling isn't just located at the barcode. I just looked on my pack of Camels that aren't staying lit and there was NO FSC notation at the UPC, however when I looked on the bottom of the pack I found it, so the FSC may be stamped anywhere on the pack.
Common Sense
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12/13/2009 03:32 AM
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Are we going to do away with "the flame" as we know it? What next, fire safe candles? What about all the deaths every year from electrical fires, do away with electricity? Come on people. Let's not let the government take away personal responsibility. Someone leaving a cigarette unattended is irresponsible. You shouldn't have to make cigarettes "fire safe". Why not place the blame on the individual and not the entire smoking community? What about car accidents. Take away vehicles? People are injured and killed everyday for all kinds of reasons. It's called "life". This is supposed to be "the Land of the Free". I should be able to smoke a cigarette without putting aluminum and carpet glue in it. Nonsmokers stop pointing fingers! What are you doing in your life? Drinking, drugs, gambling, cheating on your spouse, ignoring your kids, not paying taxes, etc...etc...don't you judge me!
Hiram
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12/13/2009 03:34 AM
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Run a lighter over the cigarette, but not long enough to crack the paper. You'll burn out most of the EVA.

I learned about that from some wonderful AC here. Enjoy!
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12/13/2009 03:39 AM
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Im not sure about the taste difference, but since i have been smoking these fsc i have been getting headaches almost every other day, trouble breathing, and anxiety attacks just as frequent as the headaches, Had no idea what was going on with my body until i started hearing about my friends dad having bad side effects from these smokes as well and started reading more on them, well like everything, it effects everyone different but me personally, Im done smoking, these fsc are gonna kill people, they were killing me slowly and i suggest everyone follow my lead, If u wanna live. Im going to the doctor and gonna get a check up and make sure the damage isn't permanent ....good luck
Nam Vet
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12/21/2009 08:46 PM
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I hate the cock sucking US gov, any chance they can sink there cock another inch in Ur ass they will.....
I have been smoking to long, (30)yrs, these cigs are killers!! plain and simple, Quit if you can, your not going to get the old cigs back. hate to say it, this is a communist government and will continue to fall deeper into the sess pool that it is now. Look at the health probs ppl are having with just a couple weeks into it!!!! theres something in there, and its bad.
good luck to all
Anonymous Coward
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12/21/2009 08:54 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the chemcial the put in the new FSC Cigarettes. I cannot find this info any where on the internet.
 Quoting: PICK 346986


I don't know, but, i do smoke, i know it's evil bad and what ever, but i have notice, they seem to be much weaker, maybe so smokers will smoke more, but they seem to 'taste' a little different, (i'm quitting) no telling what they are putting in there, better off smoking pot...
its not 'government regulated' ...:<)
Anonymous Coward
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12/21/2009 09:01 PM
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This thread should be read by people from the future.

I'd say 1500 years ought to do it.

Idiots.
Frank
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12/22/2009 08:03 PM
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This is what they are adding to FSC cigarettes everyone best read this
Sodium Silicate Solution
1. Product Identification
Synonyms: Water Glass; Soluble Glass; Silicate of Soda; Egg Preserver
CAS No.: Not applicable to mixtures.
Molecular Weight: Not applicable to mixtures.
Chemical Formula: Na2O(SiO2)x.(H2O)x
Product Codes: 3877
2. Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous
Sodium Silicate 1344-09-8 35 - 40% Yes
Water 7732-18-5 60 - 65% No
3. Hazards Identification
Emergency Overview
WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES SEVERE IRRITATION TO EYES, SKIN AND RESPIRATORY TRACT.
SAF-T-DATA(tm) Ratings (Provided here for your convenience)
Health Rating: 2 - Moderate
Flammability Rating: 1 - Slight
Reactivity Rating: 1 - Slight
Contact Rating: 3 - Severe
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES
Storage Color Code: Green (General Storage)
Potential Health Effects
Diluted solutions of sodium silicate are strong alkaline irritants. The solid sodium silicate is corrosive. Exposure to alkaline corrosives may result in severe burns depending on the concentration and duration of exposure. Sodium silicate is a type of amorphous silica and does not cause pulmonary silicosis.
Inhalation:
A strong alkaline irritant. Inhalation can cause severe irritation of mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract. Symptoms may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting. High concentrations may cause lung damage.
Ingestion:
A strong alkaline irritant. Causes irritation to the gastrointestinal tract. Symptoms may include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Solid sodium silicate: Alkaline corrosive ingestion may produce burns to the lips, tongue, oral mucosa, upper airway, esophagus and occasionally stomach.
Skin Contact:
A strong alkaline irritant. Causes severe irritation. Symptoms include redness, itching and pain. Dries to form a glass film which can cut skin. Solid sodium silicate: Dermal contact with alkaline corrosives may produce pain, redness, severe irritation or full thickness burns.
Eye Contact:
A strong alkaline irritant. Alkaline eye exposures produce severe irritation with effects similar to those of dilute caustics. Inflammation or burns with possible damage to the eye tissues can occur together with tearing and considerable pain.
Chronic Exposure:
No information found.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin disorders or impaired respiratory function may be more susceptible to the effects of the substance.
4. First Aid Measures
Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical attention.
Ingestion:
If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical attention. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.
Jenni78
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12/22/2009 08:45 PM
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Replying to the question about what was in these nasty things...
Fire safe cigarettes are produced by adding bands of EVA (ethylene vinyl acetate) to the cigarette paper during manufacturing, in order to decrease burn rate at the bands.[30] The combustion toxicity of EVA has not been studied to any extent, but combustion byproducts are known to include carbon monoxide and "unknown hydrocarbons".[31]

There is an online petition made by "citizens against fire-safe cigarettes" which cites many of the known hazards of these cigarettes in its petition.[32]

Phillip Morris USA has reported that the Adhesive ethylene vinyl acetate and polyvinyl acetate are used in the non-tobacco ingredients of cigarettes produced as a Side-seam adhesive. However, Phillip Morris USA fails to distinguish the differences in levels between regular and FSC cigarettes. The amount does not exceed 0.6% combined. Since additional layers of paper are used in FSC cigarettes, more adhesive is needed in the form of ethylene vinyl acetate.[33]

I'm pretty sure this is the same stuff as carpet glue... They make me sick as a dog and I've actually burned stuff for the FIRST time since they switched to FSC! I've smoked for 18yrs and I've never had a cherry just fall off into my lap or floor with a regular cigarette. How is this safer? The burning ashes from the damn things goes flying everywhere as soon as you light up..This is going to cause car accidents. Why was no one given a choice? I take full responsibility if I burn my house down with a non-fsc cigarette, but it seems more likely to happen with the fsc...Then I believe my house fire is on the governments hands...This is bullshit.
don't like them
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12/23/2009 07:53 AM
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the same chemical that's found in carpet glue.
Anonymous Coward
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12/24/2009 09:57 PM
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its the people who used to smoke % they enjoyed smoking for years & they decided to quit & we that smoke now catches hell this is bullshit & more . you people that used to smoke stick this FSC up your ass
Anonymous Coward
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12/24/2009 10:29 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the chemcial the put in the new FSC Cigarettes. I cannot find this info any where on the internet.
 Quoting: PICK 346986
check wikipedia it will tell you
pjt759
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12/25/2009 01:19 AM
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i want the old cigs back fuck the government. fuck em all
 Quoting: Dave 832472

I feel the same way..
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12/25/2009 01:23 AM
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I hate the cock sucking US gov, any chance they can sink there cock another inch in Ur ass they will.....
I have been smoking to long, (30)yrs, these cigs are killers!! plain and simple, Quit if you can, your not going to get the old cigs back. hate to say it, this is a communist government and will continue to fall deeper into the sess pool that it is now. Look at the health probs ppl are having with just a couple weeks into it!!!! theres something in there, and its bad.
good luck to all
 Quoting: Nam Vet 846613

I hate them too I have every intention of sending them the used filters so they can send me half of my money back, I hate these new Marlboros. They make my throat sore and they taste horrible. I will start to roll my own they haven't messed with the papers people use to roll dope with. YET.
PJT759
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12/25/2009 01:24 AM
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Im not sure about the taste difference, but since i have been smoking these fsc i have been getting headaches almost every other day, trouble breathing, and anxiety attacks just as frequent as the headaches, Had no idea what was going on with my body until i started hearing about my friends dad having bad side effects from these smokes as well and started reading more on them, well like everything, it effects everyone different but me personally, Im done smoking, these fsc are gonna kill people, they were killing me slowly and i suggest everyone follow my lead, If u wanna live. Im going to the doctor and gonna get a check up and make sure the damage isn't permanent ....good luck
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They are horrible and I wish that just one day everyone would boycott buying them, then we could make a change.
Ramsforever
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12/25/2009 07:16 PM
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Is it just the paper that has this shit added?

I mean, if I were to take out the tobacco, and roll it in a normal paper, would it be back to normal. (lol)

Or is it in the tobacco?
pffft
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12/25/2009 08:19 PM
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The government arent going to do anything bad to the people
that pay them to govern..... right ?
stef
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12/26/2009 03:49 PM
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I feel violated. I am sick due to these cigarettes. I'm trying to figure out why our government would do this...and then I think...oh come on, it's all about control. They don't want us to stop smoking for they make good money taxing us to death...we are being experimented on without concern for our health as they proclaim...because if they really gave 2 shits, they'd ban cigarettes completely. Somehow and some way they plan to profit off our illnesses and our addiction. Rest assured, they don't give one iota of concern for anything outside of the almighty buck.
Ilovecigarettes
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12/29/2009 05:15 PM
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here's an idea...stop smoking entirely
smoker
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12/30/2009 12:42 AM
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I've been smoking them for a couple weeks.

wtfThey give me heartburn and my chest hurts so bad in the morning and I cough till I almost puke. The second hand smoke is harsh as hell too.



I guess I will switch to nicoteen gum and see if I can quit again. These cigs are killing me...wouldn't surprise me if this is part of their depopulation scheme.
Anonymous Coward
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12/30/2009 04:31 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the chemcial the put in the new FSC Cigarettes. I cannot find this info any where on the internet.
 Quoting: PICK 346986



i was told it is carpet glue it is making alot of people sick....they dont want us to smoke anywhere and they are making us sick with it but its ok to drink anywhere ..i have never hurd of a cigarette causing a mva..or wiping out a family on the road because of smoking ..but i guess its ok to drink im sick of it .i dont know of anyone getting a divorce because of smoking leave our cigarettes alone u need to worry about all the drunks on the road......
sheila
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12/30/2009 04:36 PM
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i guess whoever came up with this carpet glue on the papers of the cigarettes dont smoke but i bet they drink... this is making people really sick we have got to do something

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