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Gaining Understanding & Debunking The Need For The Gathering Of The Jewish Nation In The End Times - "not all Israel, which are of Israel&quo

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Gaining Understanding & Debunking The Need For The Gathering Of The Jewish Nation In The End Times - "not all Israel, which are of Israel&quo
Many "Christians" are look to the Jewish nation of Isreal to fullfill end time prophecies and show what is to come.
First you must understand who Israel is now that there is a new covenant. Here are short videos to explain this:

Here is a link for more info on this: [link to www.thunderministries.net]

I have posted this info in another thread( Thread: Ponderings on the bible,Endtimes floods Israel and other such banter ), but I wanted to go further into the "prophecy" side of this. It is very disturbing how many are mislead on this. I was one of them. I would go to very revelation bible study, read all the left behind books, and very other book I could get. It wasn't untill I started to understand the real truth of Gods word that I started to understand His word. So here is info for "truth seekers":

Seventy Weeks Of Daniel

Futurist and ones who believe in the Gap theology are teaching the identical doctrine that the Pharisees and hypocrites of Jesus' day believed. They teach that Jesus will sit on the literal throne of David, restore the natural nation of Israel to the glory that it had under Solomon, and that all nations of the earth will be subject unto the natural nation of Israel. They believe that the Jews, after the flesh, will be given a second chance under a different dispensation.

Since Jesus did not fulfill in the natural what the religious leaders of his day thought that the Messiah would fulfill, he was rejected as Messiah. As the religious leaders were blind in the day of Jesus by their carnal minds so are the futurist of today also blinded.

We have most of the prophets of today stating that the Seventy weeks of Daniel have not been fulfilled. Most believe that there is a gap of time between the sixty-ninth week and the final seventieth week. They believe that this one-week (SEVENTIETH WEEK) pertains to prophesy concerning the natural nation of Israel only. Although they are correct in this assumption they fail to realize that it has already been fulfilled.

In order to see the future we must see the past. The prophets of God must be seers that are full of eyes that see before and behind.

(Rev 4:6 KJV) And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were FOUR BEASTS FULL OF EYES BEFORE AND BEHIND.

It is important that we be able to see behind us. We must see back to when the day of the Lord started. If we do not then we miss the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ Jesus. It is very important to realize that we also will miss his second coming.

(John 14:18 KJV) I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. (John 14:19 KJV) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; BUT YE SEE ME: because I LIVE, YE SHALL LIVE ALSO. (John 14:20 KJV) At THAT DAY ye shall know that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YE IN ME, and I IN YOU.

Jesus is the first resurrection and he finished all things at the cross of his suffering. Jesus came as the comforter on the day of Pentecost. I also have enjoyed Pentecost with him being among the first fruits of God. We must look back to the ministry and the coming of the Messiah as the prophets of old look forward to his coming. I am in Christ Jesus, the Son of God, and I am one with him. Jesus, my Lord, has not left me comfortless but my Lord and my savior has come unto me. Jesus has raised me from the grave of sin and death, and has set me free to walk with him in newness of life. I am blessed and made holy because I have taken part in the first resurrection and have been placed into the body of the Son of God. We must know that the church is the glorified body of the Lord's.

Modern futuristic day prophets cannot see the revelation of Jesus Christ because they can only see before them. Accordingly they prophesy that everything is to come, because they do not look back to Christ Jesus and the cross of his suffering. In order to have a future with our Lord we must be in the day of the Lord with him.

As the Lord Jesus was, is, and is to come, it is the same with his body or us the church. We revolve around Jesus Christ. Jesus is the wheel that is in the middle or midst of the Church. We must look back to him and see the works that was done by him over two thousand years ago before we can see before us and see what the prophets of old wrote concerning Israel, the church.

Many are stuck at Pentecost and will never enjoy the feast of tabernacles, which is the harvesting or the ingathering of the fields. We must do what our Lord has commissioned us to do. Many have built walls around themselves and have no burden to win souls. They refuse to work in the fields, to gather and labor for the master, who is Jesus Christ our only God and high priest. We must go out and gather the fruit of the field and bring it in unto our tabernacle, which is the body of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Son of God. The tabernacle is the church or the habitation that is built without hands.

We are the tabernacle, habitation, or dwelling place of Jesus Christ. The church is the flesh and bones of Jesus Messiah here on earth. We are one being in the Son of God and he being in God. God dwells within his son and is manifested unto the world through us the church. We are the word being made into his flesh and Jesus walks up and down within his habitation. It is no longer I that is living, but it is God that has been fashioned in me. I am resurrected with him, he is in me, and I am in him. There is absolutely no division in the one body and Son of God.

As we go through the spiritual seasons, of our Lord and savior, we get to enjoy the feast days in the spiritual presents of our God. We get to be partakers of Pentecost, of the feast of Tabernacles and of all of the other feast days. Too many are looking toward the future in the natural and do not participate in what God is doing today, in the day of the Lord.

(Zec 14:16 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES.

I was in the grave and dead in sin when I heard the voice of Jesus.

(John 5:25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The HOUR IS COMING, and NOW IS, when the DEAD SHALL HEAR the VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD: and THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE.

Jesus said that in the present time of his day that the dead were hearing his voice and accepting him as Messiah. Today is the day of the Lord and we must remember that the day of the Lord only comes when we take part in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

(Heb 3:15 KJV) While it is said, TO DAY if ye WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

(2 Cor 6:2 KJV) (For he saith, I have heard thee in a TIME ACCEPTED, and in the DAY OF SALVATION NOW IS THE DAY have I succored thee: behold, NOW IS the ACCEPTED TIME; behold, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.

The day of the Lord is the day of salvation, which is the one eternal day of Jesus Christ. This day of the Lord was, is, and is to come.

We, the saints, are ruling here on earth now over sin in our lives, ruling over the church through Jesus Christ, ruling over the habitation, which is our body, and we are ruling over our homes, and children. I state again that all of this is done through Jesus Christ in us. We sit in the kingdom of God with Jesus and rule in heavenly places.

(Luke 10:19 KJV) Behold, I GIVE UNTO YOU POWER to TREAD ON SERPENTS and SCORPIONS, and OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Brothers if you are not ruling now with the power that the Lord has given unto the saints then you are not in the day of the Lord. The Holy Ghost rules over all things in this world and in the world to come.

(Mat 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, all power is given unto me in HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

We are in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is in us, which is the one Son of God that rules all things. We do this not according to the flesh of the old man, but through the flesh and bones of Jesus Christ, the body of the Son of God.

Mankind has been in captivity to Babylon, the flesh or the whore. All that a whore has to offer is her flesh. The old man has been crucified with Christ and the desires of the flesh, whore or harlot, needs to be done away with. We are in captivity to Babylon, the flesh or whore, until we are set free in Christ Jesus. The Seventy years of captivity are a type and shadow of how we have been in captivity to Babylon, the whore, the beast, and the old man. These all are one, and are of the same body, and the same image. This image was the image that Nebuchadnezzar saw and its head was Nebuchadnezzar. Remember God had to show Nebuchadnezzar that he was nothing more than a beast.

God revealed unto Daniel a spiritual revelation of how God would set us free from the bondage of Babylon. This revelation is given in the understanding of the seventy weeks of Daniel. The Jerusalem or religions of this earth are still under bondage to Hagar, but we the New Jerusalem of God have been set free through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.

Jesus Christ is the one that bridges all gaps; therefore there is no gap after the sixty-nine weeks of Daniel. (Ezek 22:30 KJV) And I sought for a man among them, that should MAKE UP THE HEDGE, and STAND IN THE GAP before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. Jesus alone stands in the gap for the true House of Israel, the church. Jesus has placed a wall and a hedge around New Jerusalem. (Rev 21:12 KJV) And had a WALL GREAT AND HIGH, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

There are six things that need to be done in order to fulfill the seventieth week of Daniel:

(1). To finish the transgression

(2). To make an end of sins

(3). To make reconciliation for iniquity

(4). To bring in everlasting righteousness

(5). To seal the vision and the prophecy

(6). To anoint the Most Holy


Transgression - Hebrew6588. pesha`, peh'- shah; from Heb6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious): - rebellion, sin, transgression, trespass. " Strong's Concordance"

Jesus finished the transgression brought on by the act of Adam when he became the second Adam. We are no more transgressors of the law but the law is fulfilled in us. We are in Christ Jesus and become the second Adam or the heavenly Adam. We are partakers of the Lord's righteousness through him. Jesus was found among the transgressors at the cross, but because we are in him we are not counted anymore as transgressors. Therefore transgression against God is finished in us.

(1 Cor 15:45 KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was MADE A LIVING SOUL; the last Adam was MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. (1 Cor 15:46 KJV) Howbeit that was not FIRST WHICH IS SPIRITUAL, but that WHICH IS NATURAL; and afterward that WHICH IS SPIRITUAL. (1 Cor 15:47 KJV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the LORD FROM HEAVEN. (1 Cor 15:48 KJV) As is the EARTHY, such are they also that ARE EARTHY: and as IS THE HEAVENLY, such are THEY ALSO THAT ARE HEAVENLY.

Praise God! We are of the body of Jesus Christ and are of the heavenly.

(Rom 5:14 KJV) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. (Rom 5:15 KJV) But not as the offense, so also is the FREE GIFT. For if through the OFFENSE OF ONE MANY BE DEAD, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by ONE MAN, JESUS CHRIST, hath abounded UNTO MANY.

(Gal 3:19 KJV) Therefore then serveth the law? It was added because of TRANSGRESSIONS, till the SEED SHOULD COME to whom the PROMISE WAS MADE; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a MEDIATOR. (Gal 3:20 KJV) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. (Gal 3:21 KJV) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily RIGHTEOUSNESS should have been by the law. (Gal 3:22 KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (Gal 3:23 KJV) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. (Gal 3:24 KJV) Wherefore the law was our SCHOOL MASTER to BRING us unto Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

Jesus Christ is the promised seed and we are in that seed of promise being the one body of the Son of God.

(Heb 9:15 KJV) And for this cause he is the MEDIATOR of the NEW TESTAMENT, that by MEANS OF DEATH, for the REDEMPTION of the TRANSGRESSIONS that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the PROMISE of ETERNAL INHERITANCE. (Heb 9:16 KJV) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (Heb 9:17 KJV) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (Heb 9:18 KJV) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. (Heb 9:19 KJV) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, (Heb 9:20 KJV) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. (Heb 9:21 KJV) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. (Heb 9:22 KJV) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Heb 9:23 KJV) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. (Heb 9:24 KJV) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; BUT INTO HEAVEN ITSELF, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (Heb 9:25 KJV) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others.

I pray that you can see that the last Adam (JESUS CHRIST) did away with the transgression of the first Adam that brought sin and death unto all.

Jesus done away with the transgressions of Israel to all that accepted Jesus Christ.


Jesus made an end to sin when he was resurrected from the dead. What I praise God for is that I was resurrected with Jesus to walk in newness of life.

(1 John 3:5 KJV) And ye know that he was manifested TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS; and IN HIM IS NO SIN.


The seed that dwells in us is Jesus Christ and God will not impute sin unto his body, Son of God, or the church.

(Rom 4:8 KJV) BLESSED IS THE MAN to whom the Lord WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN. We are washed in the blood of Jesus and cleansed from all of our sins.

(Heb 9:26 KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the END OF THE WORLD hath he appeared to PUT AWAY SIN by the SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.

(Rom 8:1 KJV) There is therefore now no CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but AFTER THE SPIRIT. (Rom 8:2 KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath MADE ME FREE from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. (Rom 8:3 KJV) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and FOR SIN, CONDEMNED SIN in the flesh: (Rom 8:4 KJV) That the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law might be FULFILLED IN US, who WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.


Jesus reconciled man back to God and also restored righteousness. We are righteous in him now that we are in Christ. He sealed us with the Holy Spirit, we have his mark or his name upon us and he has anointed us because we are holy in Jesus Christ. All of this was a work and a fulfillment of prophesies that our Lord Jesus Christ done at the cross of his suffering. Paul plainly teaches in his epistles that when you get born again, you are in Christ and you have his PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE. We are truly one with our Lord and savior in everyway.

(Eph 2:16 KJV) And that he might RECONCILE both unto God in one body by the cross, having SLAIN THE ENMITY thereby:

(Col 1:20 KJV) And, having MADE PEACE THROUGH THE BLOOD of his cross, by him to RECONCILE all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

(2 Cor 5:18 KJV) And all things are of God, who hath RECONCILED us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the MINISTRY of RECONCILIATION; (2 Cor 5:19 KJV) To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING the WORLD unto HIMSELF, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES unto them; and hath committed unto us the WORD OF RECONCILIATION. (2 Cor 5:20 KJV) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye RECONCILED TO GOD. (2 Cor 5:21 KJV) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that WE MIGHT BE MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD IN HIM.


(Psa 119:140 KJV) Thy WORD is very PURE: therefore thy SERVANT LOVETH it. (Psa 119:141 KJV) I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts. (Psa 119:142 KJV) Thy RIGHTEOUS is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and thy LAW IS the TRUTH.

When the word was made flesh and Jesus fulfilled the law, shed his blood, redeemed us by dying on the cross, raised from the dead, and gave the eternal righteous Holy Ghost to his body (THE CHURCH) not imputing sin to it. Everlasting righteousness was brought to mankind. Victory was given over death, hell, and the grave. Those who believe in Jesus and endure to the end are in the one eternal righteous day of God. The last thing spoke by Jesus before he died was (IT IS FINISHED).

(Heb 13:8 KJV) Jesus Christ the SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOR EVER.

Jesus Christ is everlasting righteousness in us.

(Mat 3:15 KJV) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then he suffered him.

(Mat 26:28 KJV) For this is my BLOOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, which is shed for many for the REMISSION OF SINS.

(Acts 10:43 KJV) To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall RECEIVE REMISSION of sins.

(Rom 3:25 KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his RIGHTEOUSNESS for the REMISSION of SINS that ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God.

(Rom 4:13 KJV) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but THROUGH THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF FAITH.

(Rom 5:17 KJV) For if by ONE MANíS OFFENCE DEATH REIGNED BY ONE; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL REIGN IN LIFE BY ONE, JESUS CHRIST.) (Rom 5:18 KJV) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE.


God sealed the prophesy of the Old Testament concerning himself unto Israel after the flesh. When Jesus fulfilled and finished his work it was revealed unto the saints.


The word is still sealed unto the futurist and Pharisees of today; only the ones who have the revelation of the Godhead (JESUS CHRIST) can understand the prophecy and break the seals through Jesus. All of the prophecy concerning the Messiah, how he would come, and the things he would do were written and sealed until the coming of the anointed one Christ Jesus.

This prophecy is still sealed to the Babylonian Jews who do not understand the words of their own prophets. They are no more aware today, as a whole, who Jesus is than they did when they killed him, still being antichrist.

(Matthew 23:37-38) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE.

The temple of the Jews was left unto them desolate.

Do not forget that thousands and thousands of Jews have accepted Jesus Christ and have came through the one door into the Kingdom of God. The Apostles have delivered the fulfilled oracles of God unto us. The word that was sealed up was interpreted and revealed unto us through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

(Isa 29:9 KJV) Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. (Isa 29:10 KJV) For the LORD hath poured out upon you the SPIRIT OF DEEP SLEEP, and hath CLOSED YOUR EYES: the prophets and your rulers, the SEERS hath HE COVERED. (Isa 29:11 KJV) And the VISION of all is become unto you as the WORDS OF A BOOK THAT IS SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I CANNOT; FOR IT IS SEALED: (Isa 29:12 KJV) And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isa 29:13 KJV) Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people DRAW NEAR WITH THEIR MOUTH, and with their LIPS do HONOUR ME, but have REMOVED THEIR HEART FAR FROM ME, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: (Isa 29:14 KJV) Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the UNDERSTANDING of their PRUDENT MEN SHALL BE HID.


(Rev 5:9 KJV) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to OPEN THE SEALS thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast REDEEMED us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (Rev 6:1 KJV) And I saw when the Lamb OPENED ONE OF THE SEALS, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the FOUR BEASTS saying, COME AND SEE.

All must come through the blood of Jesus, antichrist and anti Jesus name will never establish the vision. This vision is sealed accept to the saints.

(Dan 11:14 KJV) And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the ROBBERS of THY PEOPLE shall EXALT THEMSELVES to ESTABLISH THE VISION; but they SHALL FALL.

Antichrist tries to enter in by another way than by Jesus Messiah.


(Luke 4:18 KJV) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he HATH ANOINTED ME to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

Jesus was pronounced the anointed one and the heir to the Kingdom and made King when he was baptized.

(Mat 3:16 KJV) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the HEAVENS were OPENED unto him, and he saw the SPIRIT of GOD DESCENDING LIKE A DOVE, and LIGHTING UPON HIM: (Mat 3:17 KJV) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.

(Acts 10:38 KJV) How GOD ANOINTED JESUS of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

All six things mentioned in (Daniel 9:24) have been fulfilled.

Transgression - Hebrew6588. pesha`, peh'- shah; from Heb6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious):- rebellion, sin, transgression, trespass.

Reconciliation - Hebrew3722. kaphar, kaw - far'; a prim. root; to cover (spec. with bitumen); fig. to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel:- appease, make (an) atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile (-liation). " Strong's Concordance "

Iniquity - Hebrew5771. avon, aw - vone'; or `avown, aw - vone'; ( perversity, i.e. (moral) evil:- fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin. "Strong's Concordance"

Seal - Hebrew2856. chatham, khaw - tham'; a prim. root; to close up; espec. to seal:- make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.

Vision - Hebrew2377. chazown, khaw - zone'; from Heb2372; a sight (mentally), i.e. a dream, revelation, or oracle: - vision.

Anoint - Hebrew4886. mashach, maw - shakh'; a prim. root; to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by impl. to consecrate; also to paint:- anoint, paint. " Strong's Concordance

(Dan 9:25 KJV) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The rebuilding of Jerusalem was foretold in Isaiah; even the king's name was given. King Cyrus was a type and shadow of Christ Jesus, as Cyrus had Jerusalem of old rebuilt. Jesus would build the CHURCH AND CITY NEW JERUSALEM.

(Isa 44:28 KJV) That saith OF CYRUS, He is MY SHEPHERD, and shall PERFORM ALL MY PLEASURE: even saying to JERUSALEM, Thou SHALT BE BUILT; and to the TEMPLE, Thy FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID.

(Isa 45:1 KJV) Thus saith the LORD to HIS ANOINTED, TO CYRUS, whose RIGHT HAND I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two LEAVED GATES; and the GATES SHALL NOT BE SHUT.

Jesus after being anointed King (BAPTIZED) rode into Jerusalem as King; he came through the Eastern gate called Beautiful.

(Zec 9:9 KJV) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy KING COMETH unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and RIDING UPON AN ASS, and upon a COLT THE FOAL OF AN ASS.

(Ezra 6:14 KJV) And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of CYRUS, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Troublous times: (Neh 4:8 KJV) And conspired all of them together to come and to fight against Jerusalem, and to hinder it.

I believe that the events of Daniel's 70th Week, like all Bible prophecy fulfillment, will take place within 360-day Biblical/Prophetic years. In (Gen 7:11-24) (Gen 8:3-4) in the account of the flood, we find that the 5 months from the 17th day of the second month, until the 17th day of the 7th month, are stated to be 150 days, this confirms 30 days to a month, or 360 days to a year. 69 x 7 = 483 yrs.


(Num 14:34 KJV) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

This scale was used in to. (Ezek 4:6 KJV) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee EACH DAY FOR A YEAR.

Using this formula brings you to the time of Jesus Christ. What really is in direct conflict with the Trinitarians is the one-week. This prophecy continued and was fulfilled not having a dispensational gap as taught by Clarence Larkin, and other false teachers.

(Dan 9:27 KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST OF THE WEEK HE (JESUS) shall cause the SACRIFICE and the OBLATION to CEASE, and for the OVER SPREADING of ABOMINATIONS he shall make it DESOLATE, even until the CONSUMMATION, and that determined shall be POURED UPON THE DESOLATE.

If we hold to the scale that we have used to determine that the 69 weeks have been completed. We must say that this one-week consist of a seven year period. We know that Jesus' ministry lasted 3 1/2 yrs. What did Jesus do in this period of time to fulfill this scripture? He fulfilled all righteousness when he was baptized, he preaches that the Kingdom of God was here; he preached his Kingdom was not of this world or of the order of the Babylon Jews. He stated that the Jews had made his Father's house an abomination and a den of thieves, denying that it was a Holy place any longer.

(Mat 21:12 KJV) And Jesus went into the TEMPLE OF GOD, and CAST OUT all them that SOLD and BOUGHT in the TEMPLE, and OVERTHREW the TABLES of the MONEYCHANGERS, and the seats of them that sold doves, (Mat 21:13 KJV) And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have MADE IT A DEN OF THIEVES.

Jesus let them know that the temple of God was now his body, as the temple of God is ours.

(John 2: 19 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy THIS TEMPLE, and in THREE DAYS I will raise it up. (John 2:20 KJV) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Jesus plainly let them know that the temple that they claimed to be God's was no longer acceptable.

Jesus made the SACRIFICE and the OBLATION to CEASE, from his death on as the final sacrifice for sins, no other sacrifice was accepted by God nor ever will be. The Jews can build a temple with hands and call it the temple of God, but the branch (THE MESSIAH) is building the temple of the living God with lively stones, praise God! You and I.

(Zec 6:12 KJV) And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall BUILD THE TEMPLE of the LORD.

The Jews can start the sacrifice of the red heifer, but no sacrifice will ever be accepted by God except the blood of Jesus. This means only one door for all. No thieves will make it from the den of thieves.

We know that God rejected the temple built with hands at the time of Jesus' death.

(Mark 15:38 KJV) And the VEIL OF THE TEMPLE was rent in TWAIN from the TOP TO THE BOTTOM.

Jesus' ministry lasted 3 ½ years and he, Messiah, was cut off in the midst of the week or seven year period. The covenant was confirmed with thousands and thousands of Jews during this time. The actual house of Israel was ministered to and the house of Israel was the only ones that came unto Messiah during this seven-year period.

(Dan 9:27 KJV) And he shall CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the OVERSPREADING OF THE ABOMINATIONS he shall make it DESOLATE, even until the CONSUMMATION, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The first ones to accept Jesus were Jews and they came by the thousands.

(Acts 2:41 KJV) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the SAME DAY THERE WERE ADDED UNTO THEM ABOUT THREE THOUSAND SOULS.

(Acts 4:4 KJV) Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the NUMBER OF THE MEN WAS ABOUT FIVE THOUSAND.

(Acts 4:32 KJV) And the MULTITUDE OF THEM that BELIEVED WERE OF ONE HEART and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (Acts 5:14 KJV) And believers were the MORE ADDED to the Lord, MULTITUDES BOTH OF MEN AND WOMEN.

(Acts 6:7 KJV) And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and A GREAT COMPANY OF THE PRIESTS WERE OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH. Many of today forget that there were thousands upon thousands of Jews that accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah before God went unto the Gentiles.

Jesus and the Apostles went unto the house of Israel first.

(Acts 3:25 KJV) Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. (Acts 3:26 KJV) UNTO YOU FIRST God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

(Acts 13:46 KJV) Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the WORD OF GOD SHOULD FIRST HAVE BEEN SPOKEN TO YOU: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

From the time of Jesus' death until Philip went unto the Samaritans was another 3 ½ years making a total of seven years? With great care, when following the events of Acts, we find when Philip went unto the Samaritans.

Jesus stated the order that the gospel would go forth:

(Acts 1:8 KJV) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The gospel went forth to Jerusalem, Judaea, then to Samaria, and then unto the Gentiles at Corneliusís house.

The gospel went unto Samaria in the year 37 A.D. the Seventh Week of Daniel was fulfilled when Philip went unto Samaria.

The Romans completed the final prophecy of not one stone being left upon another in 70 AD. This is when the full abomination of desolation was totally fulfilled and the CONSUMMATION FINISHED.

Important Facts Revealed
When we realize that the seventy weeks of Daniel have been fulfilled the dispensational doctrine of the futurist falls apart.

The seventy weeks of Daniel fulfilled does away with the doctrine that the Jews will have another opportunity, dispensation or special consideration for salvation. It teaches us that the Mark of the Beast will be given over a greater period of time, and has nothing to do with a seven-year period of time.

When it is proven that the seventh week of Daniel has been fulfilled it does away with the Pre-tribulation theory, the Mid-Tribulation theory, and the PostĖTribulation theory. The seven years of tribulation period disappears.

Jesus Christ is the one and only door for everyone, Jew and Gentile. Neither all Jews nor all Gentiles that follow the flesh of the old man will be saved. All of Israel consisting of the Jews and Gentiles that have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior by faith will be saved. These saints alone are the true Israel of God.
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Well done and very well said...
It took me about 13 years and hundreds of hours reading scripture and history and different viewpoints to finally grasp this truth. I also had much help from faithful saints who've defended this truth against modern day pharisees.
You did a great service ....
Thank You!!
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I read your teaching on the "other thread" and admired the way you put the Scriptures together. The same is for this teaching/explanation of what has been done for us in Christ. Truly, you are a person of great Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding.

It would be nice if some of the preachers would take note and quit preaching falsehoods. John Hagee, are you listening? There are not two Covenants, but ONE.
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when are the seals, the trumpets, the bowls?

when is the end of the age?
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What about ezekiel 36 and 37?

and 38 and 39?

And the new temple -- from ezekiel 40 on?

I agree the events depicted at the beginning of the christian era are important -- they are pictures, foreshadows, illustrations...

prophecy is multidimensional with multiple meanings, built precept on precept, line upon line...
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I say this with a true heart I actually love and care about many Jewish friends including the wife of my son and my grandchildren as well as my grandparents on my mothers side. But putting that in perspective I say to Israel why fuck your one true Allie
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I praise God that some have found this to be a blessing. I do want to state that this is not my study. It comes from Brother Daniel of [link to www.thunderministries.com] . I had come to the truth by another Brother back in February, and was baptized and filled with His Spirit(not a separate one), and the Lord showed me so much in His Word(son) it blew my mind. I had been a "Christian" for many years, or so I thought, and since that time the understanding that I have gained has been tremendous.(1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.)
In my quest for the truth in the Word I came across Brother Daniels website an was astonished that he had the same interpretations that I was shown. His sight has been a blessing to me and I hope it blesses you also.

As for the questions on Ezekiel 36,37,38,39,40- I will have to respond later as it is late and I have brain fog.

Happy New Year and God Bless
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Forgiven I have read some, and fasted some, and seperated nyself from the world , and with my own understanding a new covenant is in the process my heart tells me so.
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spelling ( Myself) in last post
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RE:Question about Ezekiel 36,37,38,39,40
Book of Ezekiel
Author: Ezekiel chapter 1 verse 3 identifies the Prophet Ezekiel as the author of the Book of Ezekiel.

Date of Writing: The Book of Ezekiel was likely written between 593 and 565 B.C.

Here is a history timeline of the nation of Israel:
(I have highlighted the area of relevence for our discussion)( [link to photo.net] )

10,000 BC: first permanent settlements in Israel
7,000 BC: walls of Jericho built
1486 BC: Canaanite army defeated at Megiddo by Egyptian pharoah Thutmose, consolidating Egyptian rule over Canaan
1300 BC: Moses leads the Jews out of Egypt
circa 1200 BC: Philistines arrive by ship and give the name "Palestine" to the area; Jews start to arrive in Land of Israel
990 BC: Jerusalem captured by King David and Israel unified as one nation
950 BC: First Temple built by King Solomon
928 BC: After a fight over taxation, Israel splits into two nations: "Judah" in the south and "Israel" in the north
597 BC: Babylonians send army to put down a rebellion and take prominent Jews into exile
586 BC: Babylonians arrive to put down another rebellion, destroy the First Temple, and remove more Jews into exile
539 BC: Babylonians defeated by Persians
538 BC: Cyrus the Great of Persia allows the Jews to return to Israel and rebuild temple in return for loyalty oath to Persia
515 BC: Second Temple built

332 BC: Alexander the Great of Macedonia conquers Persia and takes over their empire, including Palestine; Hellenization of Israel begins
170-164 BC: Maccabee revolt against forced Hellenization; Jewish independence
63 BC: Roman legions, under General Pompey, conquer Jerusalem
37 BC: Herod the Great installed by Romans as vassal king
4 BC: Jesus born
circa AD 30: Jesus crucified by Romans
AD 66-70: Jewish revolt, war with Romans, destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple
AD 73: Masada falls
AD 130-2: Hadrian outlaws circumcision and plans to rebuild Jerusalem as a pagan city
AD 132-135. Bar Kochba rebellion. Jews crushed by Romans, sold into slavery, and driven into exile (the Diaspora). Jerusalem is rebuilt as Aelia Capitolina.
AD 200-215: Mishnah edited in Israel by Rabbi Ha Nasi
AD 313: Roman emperor Constantine converts to Christianity, grants freedom of worship to Christians throughout Empire
AD 395: Rome splits into western and eastern (Byzantium) empires
AD 638: Omar defeats the Byzantine army at the Yarmuk River (in Syria); Muslims rule Palestine
AD 1009: Caliph El-Hakim destroys Holy Sepulchre
AD 1071: Seljuk Turks forbid Christians to enter Jerusalem
AD 1095: Pope Urban II launches Crusades
AD 1099: Crusaders take Jerusalem after a five-week siege; more than 20,000 Jews and Muslims inside are murdered or sold into slavery
AD 1144: Jews in Norwich, England accused of torturing and killing a Christian boy to use his blood in a ritual. This was the first of the "blood libels" that led to mob violence against Jews throughout Europe.
AD 1187: Saladin retakes Jerusalem
AD 1188-92: Third Crusade under Richard I the Lionheart fails to retake Jerusalem but wins access for pilgrims.
AD 1400: Israel under Mameluke rule from Egypt; Jews begin emigrating to Palestine to escape persecution in Europe
AD 1492: Jews expelled from Spain
AD 1516: Mamelukes defeated by Ottoman empire
AD 1537: Suleyman the Magnificent orders new walls and gates built around Jerusalem
AD 1839: Sir Moses Montefiore, a British jew, calls for creation of a Jewish state
AD 1896: Theodor Herzl publishes Der Judenstat, which leads to formation of the World Zionist Congress
1903: Herzl presents a plan to create a Jewish homeland in Uganda to the Sixth Zionist Congress
1917: British General Allenby captures Jerusalem from the Turks. Balfour declaration issued: "His Majesty's government favourable views the creation of a national Jewish home in Palestine."
1923: British split off 70% of Palestine and hand it over to Emir Abdullah as "Jordan"
1929: Arab pogroms against Jews in Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed
1934: Stalin creates Jewish Autonomous Region in the eastern Siberian region of Birobidzhan, a frigid alternative to Zionism
1937: British propose ending their Mandate and partioning the remainder of Palestine (the 30% left after the splitting off of Jordan) into separate Jewish and Arab states. The partition is accepted by the Jews but rejected by the Arabas.
1939: In an attempt to win Arab support for the impending war with Germany, British issue "White Paper" cutting off Jewish immigration to Palestine.
1944: under pressure from the British, the United States accepts 982 Jewish refugees from liberated Italy and inters them in a concentration camp in Oswego, New York for eventual deportation back to Europe; these are the only Jews allowed into the U.S. during World War II ( more);
1945: U.S. President Roosevelt promises King Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia that he will not support a Jewish state in Palestine ( more)
November 29, 1947: United Nations votes for the partition of the remainder of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem a neutral international city. The United States embargoes arms sales to the Jews while the British sell arms freely to the Arabs; with support from Stalin, the Jews are ultimately able to purchase $12 million of rifles from Czechoslovakia.
May 14, 1948: State of Israel declared. British withdraw. New state attacked simultaneously by Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt. Palestinian Arabs were encouraged by the invading armies to vacate their homes to facilitate a quick war and complete victory.
July 1949: The fighting is over but the Israelis refuse to let the Palestinian Arabs who fled to return to their homes. Meanwhile, Jews living in Arab countries jump or are pushed into emigrating to Israel. There are more than 500,000 refugees on each side of the conflict. The Arabs leave the Palestinians in makeshift tent camps. The Israelis begin to build cheap ugly concrete apartment blocks for all the Jews from Arab countries.
1956: Egyptian Colonel Nasser seizes Suez Canal from Anglo-French stockholders. The Canal and Straits of Tiran are closed to Israeli or Israel-bound ships. This prompts an invasion of the Sinai by French, British, and Israeli forces. The armies are forced to retreat under pressure from the Soviet Union and United States. This underscores a humiliating loss of influence and power for the English.
1967: Six Day War. Israel and the Arab countries have been in an The official state of war since 1948. However, the first five months of 1967 brought an intensification of hostilities with the Egyptians moving troops into the Sinai and closing the shippping lanes, the Syrians shelling farms in the north, and terrorist attacks coming through all the borders. On June 5, 1967 Israel launched a preemptive strike on all fronts. After six days, the Israelis had conquered the Sinai, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and Jerusalem.
September 1970: Palestinians hijack four commercial airplanes, fly them to Jordan, and blow them up. This was the last straw for King Hussein, whose minority Hashemite rule had been threatened by the Palestinian Arab military force for some time. Hussein launches massive military campaign to expel all the armed Palestinians from Jordan. More than 5000 Palestinians are killed and this leads to the formation of the Black September terrorist group. Most of the best-armed Palestinians wind up in Lebanon, destabilizing the government there.
1973: Yom Kippur War. The Arabs struck back, easily rolling over Israel's Maginot-style line in the Sinai. After three weeks or so, with heavy American support, the Israelis managed to cross the Suez into Egypt proper and were within 20 miles of Damascus before the US put a halt to the war.
November 1977: Anwar Sadat visits Menachem Begin in Jerusalem for peace negotiations.
September 1978: Camp David Accords.
March 1979: Israel and Egypt sign a peace treaty, ending more than 30 years of war.
June 7, 1981: Israel bombing raid destroys Iraqi nuclear reactor; the United Nations responds by "Urg[ing] all Member States to provide necessary technical assistance to Iraq to restore its peaceful nuclear programme" ( Resolution 40/6)
October 6, 1981: Anwar Sadat assassinated by Islamic fundamentalists.
1982: Israel invades Lebanon and destroys PLO infrastructure there.
July 1994: Israel and Jordan sign a peace treaty, ending 46 years of war.
November 4, 1995: Pro-compromise Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin killed at a peace rally by a Jewish right-wing assassin.

Ezekiel was writing to the Jews that were in excile, and the second temple had not been built yet. He does go into the "time" when Israel will have "one shepherd-37v24" and "David shall be their prince for ever-37v25" which is prophecy of Jesus Christ.

It is vitally important to understand that when Christ died and the viel was torn away we no longer need to be behind a priest and sacrifices to enter the holy of holies. We have full access to the throne of God right now. This despetion that satan has encouraged of a need for a third temple is ridiculous. It completely contradicts God's Word and what He did for us. Keep in mind though that "man" might still build this "temple", but it is not the will of God. Note also that it was "man" that wanted a temple in the first place:2 Samuel
7:1 And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies;
7:2 That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains.
7:3 And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee.
7:4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,
7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
There is much information to study on this.