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NEED ADVICE From Those Who Roll Their Own Cigarettes

 
sarafina
12/03/2004 04:11 PM
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My son turns 20 on Christmas Eve and is addicted to smoking. My wish is that he would quit, but since he has tried several times and not been successful I would rather see him smoke natural tobacco rather than commercially produced cigarettes. My hope is that natural tobacco it is not as harmful.

I do not smoke and do not know anything about rolling your own cigarettes. I would appreciate any advice from those out in GLP-land who roll their own as to what type of equipment to buy and where to get it on the Internet. I am thinking of getting him a setup to roll his own for Christmas/B-Day.

Thanks!
Postures
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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When I smoked, I rolled cigarettes and used natural tobacco with the brand name, "American Spirit," but studies have shown that natural tobaccos are not safer and may actually pose more of a health risk than the chemically treated kind.

[link to faculty.washington.edu]

I used a rolling machine for filter tubes that I bought in a local smoke shop. The machines are under ten dollars and a box of 100 filter tubes is under five dollars. An ounce of loose tobacco is under five dollars.

Edit: it is less expensive to buy and roll loose tobacco.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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From what I understand, smoking is really not that bad for you. I read that Edgar Cayce even recommended a few smokes a day.

The problem has become the ingredient of the cigarttes and the materials used to make them. The filters are riddled with synthetic fibers, the paper is certainly not as clean or even as beneficial as it could be (why not use tobacco leaves to roll the cigarette in) and I also read that there are some 400+ different additives from rat hair to dirt to cayan pepper and heaven knows what else is mixed with the tobacco for different reasons, burn, flavor, smoke color and many other unimaginable reasons.

Even smoking a cigar is better than smoking a cigarette. The cigar is "all tobacco", even the wrapper is a tabacco leaf.

I´m not hard headed though, smoking a pack of cigarettes is bad for you but I don´t think smoking a cigar or two or a hand rolled cigarette of good clean tobacco will kill anybody or even give them cancer or even get you sick. Light em up.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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heck, you might even enjoy it if you find him rolling a pleasant blended tobacco with a mild fragrance to it.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Is a gigarette the size of 1,000 megarettes?
Omega Pointed
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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American Spirit is good, but in moderation. Encourage moderation......
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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yep
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Go to a tobacco shop. Get him a nice rolling machine. Ask the tobacanist what he would recomend as far as a good naturally grown tobaco goes. Find out your sons brand of smoke and ask him with tobaco comes close to it in flavor.
You can get a machine that will either roll a cigarette with a filter or without or both.
LOLer
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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lol, YOU ARE ONE COOL DAD! You´d be even cooler if you got him some kind-bud to try roller out on! Ask him, he´ll agree! LOL!
Luna-PYX
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Sarafina-

My husband rolls his own and only uses additive-free, all natural tobacco. Since he has been doing this he never coughs like he did, feels much healthier in general and never gets winded. No more wheezing when he lays down either. He is 33 and has been smoking since he was about 13.

There are many many places to buy all natural tobaccos, including the net. I recommend Pure Natural and to buy it by the pound. The ONLY cig. machine I would ever recommend is the Supermatic II by the Clinton Tube Co. Nothing else makes smokable cigs. It is rather expensive at about $40-45, but it lasts a long time. Only use Premier tubes as they are made specifically for the Supermatic machines.

All in all, my husband spends about $25 a month on smoking.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Yuba Gold, as close to natural as you can get without growing it yourself, this shit will tear your head off.

A place where I buy mine,www.pipesandcigars.com

This place is in New York state and as very low prises. This isn´t where you get Yuba Gold, but
he doesn´t want that shit anyway.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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I rolled for ten years after "tailor-mades" became too expensive. One of the beauties of rolling is the ritual of rolling -and rolling well. One eventually becomes good enough to roll a perfect cigarette in seconds. Machines that add filters are a bad joke -addicts only smoke more to get the required fix.

High quality tobacco -Camel quality- is available very cheaply. That is the problem. I smoked heavily for about a dollar per day, which would have cost me about $10 for packaged cigs here in CA. Major tobacco companies make quality tobacco available (through subsidiaries) very cheaply because they know most people come back to packaged brands after tight financial times.

I would not, AT ALL, encourage your son to roll. It is like providing free heroin to an addict. I finally quit smoking 3 years ago after 40 years of heavy smoking. I quit because my lungs were wheezing 24 hours a day. Many die before that point. Lungs are clear now but lung cancer is never far away.
lil´ cletus
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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edgar cayce???1rof1
paranoid eyes
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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if your son is smoking cigaretes and is 20 he probably rolls something else too! so he has "equipment". i mean don´t you need to be on drugs to become a smoker nowadays.
Kahlshi
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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There are really benefits to nicotine that are not talked about, one it is a great antidepressant and another is it´s ability to twart off alzeimers type conditions.

There was some musing about this about a month ago, and if I can find the link to the source, I will post it.


It´s the zillions of other chemicals in cigarettes that make them bad, the ones man put in them, not God.
Kahlshi
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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[link to www.forces.org]


Here ya go. Have fun.
2 cents
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Drum brand tobacco, and HAND roll ´em. You can smoke less and save money by not buying a machine or those stupid tubes. And they taste way better than american spirit. Sure it make a while to get the hang of it, but your so much cooler twisting one by hand, and you are in more control, you can roll a thin one if that is all you want. For example the pack comes with 50 papers, I usually get about 225-250 smokes out of that much tobacco, and cool chicks ask for a "Drum" almost every time I whip out the pack.
This is the way, my friend, trust me.
The*Stoned*Ranger
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Cigarettes?

damned







stoner
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Go to amazon.com and order the book,

Allen Carr´s EASY WAY TO STOP SMOKING


THEY MAY ONLY HAVE A USED COPY - ORDER THAT IT´S WORTH IT

THIS WORKS
sarafina
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Thanks for all your replies.

AC 4:46 – LOL – ok, I corrected my bad spelling….

Luna-PYX – thank-you – I was hoping to hear from someone who actually used a rolling machine and had one they liked.

AC 5:17 – yea, I am wrestling with the idea that I am encouraging and condoning his habit. I do not, but he is an adult and is making his own decisions now about his lifestyle. He has heard my lectures and smoking killed my Mom, so it isn’t like he hasn’t been warned.

Paranoid eyes – yes, my son has smoked pot, but he does not smoke it regularly or I would smell it (he lives with me). I do not smoke so my nose is sensitive to ‘smoke’ smells and pot has a distinctive smell.
The*Stoned*Ranger
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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>>...and pot has a distinctive smell.





headbang







stoner
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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sarafina,

AC 5:17 here.

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AC 5:17 – yea, I am wrestling with the idea that I am encouraging and condoning his habit. I do not, but he is an adult and is making his own decisions now about his lifestyle. He has heard my lectures and smoking killed my Mom, so it isn’t like he hasn’t been warned.

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Lung cancer frequently strikes young smokers. Most people do not realize that tobacco smoke is somewhat radioactive --no BS. It only takes a single cell being mutated by a radioactive emission to get the cancer ball rolling. You should try to wake your son up before it´s too late. Believe me, it only gets more difficult to quit as one gets older. I crave tobacco smoke every day. Not fun.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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>>>>>It only takes a single cell being mutated by a radioactive emission to get the cancer ball rolling.<<<<<<<<

--

ABSOLUTELY, the BIG REASON to QUICK, ASAP - its like russian roulett
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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GO TO AMAZON, ORDER THE BOOK CITED ABOVE, NO SHIT, THIS WORKS
Sol Invictus
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Get him a rolling mat.


[link to www.weedcity.com]

That´s just like the one I used to have, before it wore out :) Pure coincidence that it turned up in a google search, I got it in the Danish version of weedcity, an inner-Copenhagen freehaven made by ex-hippies before our government shut it down here just last year... I got some funny looks in restaurants, one or two even told me "not here", lol, before I explained that it was just normal tobacco.

That is of course, if he doesn´t want to quit, which is probably the best bet. I´ve been smoking for 4 years now, started when I was 21, and it really is just a bad habit.

Machines are very uncool though :P You gotta roll your own, either do it in hand (takes a lot of practice) or get a mat.
Bobzboy
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Sarafina,

I guess that either don´t start, or stop smoking if you can is the best advice. A decent American hand rolling tobacco is Single Stick available for about $14 per one pound bag in California. As for a machine forget it he should learn to hand roll. It is a bit like riding a bike, tricky at first but dead easy once you get the hang of it. He should use filters because they are better health wise.
Packet cigs in the USA have way, way to much sulfur in them to make them burn quickly and it is not good for you.

Single Stick means (I think) that the tobacco in the packet is all, or mainly from a single plant.
All in all a bit less harmful than cigs and defiantly a LOT cheaper. He will need to experment with diffrent brands of cig papers to find what he likes, some do not gum up well and tend to fall apart which is quite annoying. Then buy em by the box because a pack at a time is expensive.stoner
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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i´m canadian

We have a big tobacco company, RJR MacDonald Tobacco. WHile going to school a few years back, my route would take me to pass right beside this ciggie making company. One could smell the tobacco leaves drying for miles around, the school was right in front of it.

Several times, i´ve seen white unlabelled tanker trucks unfuelling whatever chems they were carrying to this company. At first I thought, Hey, how come I cannot see a damned label on those trucks? Ain´t it illegal to drive around an unlabelled tanker truck?

Got me thinking a lot...

Now, i´m on Natives ciggies, get them on the indian reserve, tax free. I´ve also noticed about those cigarets that they burn a lot longer than any other brand of commercials one i´ve ever bought which means, no accelerant chem to make it burn even and fast.
FiveToePete
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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If you have to smoke, just make sure he smokes the good shit........stonerbonghit
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Buy him two packs of his favorite cigs to smoke while he is reading Allen Carr´s EASY WAY TO STOP SMOKING
Out of Level
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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I roll my own with a little machine i use to load the tobacco. About ten dollars a carton.

Only one of my five children took up smoking, and thank god quit after a couple of years.

My advice to you is, let your feelings be known in the most strongest terms possible.

Stop now.....please stop now.
ScienceOnly *nli
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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So why are we already on the second page of this thread and noone has told this accomodating parent about the "Dollar bill" method?

You put the...err...uh...the cigarette wrapper with a modest amount of...err...uh...tobacco, slightly cupped in isde a dollar bill.

You then roll the dollar bill back and forth to tighten the ingredients...yea, that sounds better...the ingredients to the desired tightness.

when you want to get the paper to tuck into itself you apply a little different pressure with your fingers...

And VOILA, you gots a nice even smoke.

Don´t forget to clean the seeds and stems out first!

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