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| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/1/2008 2:25 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
It is NOT Jupiter.
Look at this link, scroll down and there is a SOHO animation of Jupiter crossing. It even explains it is Jupiter. Compare and see it is obviously not Jupiter by look and location.
[link to images.google.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342753
1/1/2008 2:25 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
324203,
Of course its going to be bright anyways since its making a relativley close flyby with the sun. You are right in that is IS comming closer to us, as it is listed in spaceweather as a potential danger.
Also, its 6 km wide, not 3. And it isnt an orb either, if you look at astroid 1685toro youll see why is reflects the sun how it does.
342753,
As for the orbit, im still looking for a model but it seems to be evading me, try looking.
Nancy,
None of those links worked, can you post them again as i would be interested in seeing these alleged extra "orbs".
Peace
the miss distance of the toro comet for earth is 76 lunar distances.
nasa jpl been down for a while... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342753
but hey!
toro is an asteroid. not a comet. asteroids keep their movement in the asteroid belt.
so this is something else here.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 347074
1/1/2008 2:27 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
solid rock objects would glow when hit by flares.
They would glow red hot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 347074
1/1/2008 2:28 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
im no pysisist but i think if it was an asteroid getting hit by that flare should have broken it apart. |
| Gwydion
User ID: 348523
1/1/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
346434,
The object was bright before because it was getting irradiated by the sun and thats what the camera detects, its particle concentration and dissipation.
Doesnt look like you can debunk any better than Neitzche was able to come up with any better ideas. I have a name for what we are seeing, its ASTROID 1685TORO. If you wanna prove me wrong than why dont you look up its trajectory path yourself, i already have proof on wiki:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
There is a chance of collision....and im finding it very difficualt to find the exact stats online...interesting.
If anyone REALLY wanted to know, they should find out the chances of a Jan 24th impact by 1685toro, as it is listed on spaceweather.com as a potential.
Git to it info geeks. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263324
1/1/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Everybody relax, it isnt anything other than an
astroid named 1685 Toro, it orbits the sun and was one of the first apollo astroids to be discovered. Check:
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
It is comming relatively close to us this month, and is even listed in Spaceweather.com as a possibly dangerous astroid. Check:
www.spaceweather.com
They even tell you what it is, come on guys, check your information.
Finally, the best explanation, and most likely,exactly what it is, by the shape of it. |
| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/1/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Besides, Jupiter has a disk of light running across it that appears to rotate. This is an illusion from the filming. This illusion is not present. This indicates the object(s) in question are not bright enough.
This supports the idea of a large asteroid much closer to us. Although, I'm still open to the real truth of the matter.
But, at this point, I can very comfortably rule out Jupiter or any planet for that matter. It simply does not have the optical appearance it should. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 347074
1/1/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Aaah, just as i thought, they have broken out the chemtrail planes to spray and block out our view of the Sun.
Check out this pic i just took, look at that in the lower left corner, its plant X !
Oops, link : [ link to i4.photobucket.com]
you dozy apeth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342753
1/1/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
324203,
Of course its going to be bright anyways since its making a relativley close flyby with the sun. You are right in that is IS comming closer to us, as it is listed in spaceweather as a potential danger.
Also, its 6 km wide, not 3. And it isnt an orb either, if you look at astroid 1685toro youll see why is reflects the sun how it does.
342753,
As for the orbit, im still looking for a model but it seems to be evading me, try looking.
Nancy,
None of those links worked, can you post them again as i would be interested in seeing these alleged extra "orbs".
Peace
the miss distance of the toro comet for earth is 76 lunar distances.
nasa jpl been down for a while...
but hey!
toro is an asteroid. not a comet. asteroids keep their movement in the asteroid belt.
so this is something else here.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342753
clearly the "anomaly" object was very close to the sun. the flare interaction, right? |
| Hold the Phone
User ID: 330765
1/1/2008 2:31 PM
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[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
Stop this one at 11 20 and look real close. I can distinctly see a planet shaped object. About two thirds of it are in sunlight and the bottom third is in darkness and you can see a coronal type glow around the dark side of the object. My first inclination is that it is one of the planets.
The thing is definitely moving from right to left in the frame and is not stationary. If it was on the path of it's orbit and moving either nearly directly towards or away from the point of viewing, it would appear to be almost stationary.
Question: how many miles are we looking at from the edge of the solar mask to the edge of the field of view? |
| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/1/2008 2:31 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
im no pysisist but i think if it was an asteroid getting hit by that flare should have broken it apart. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 347074
Unless it is large enough to have a protective magnetic field. Could small objects be magnetic enough to protect from CME's? I wonder concerning the strength of the universe, some metal chunks might posses strong magnetic fields. |
| Gwydion
User ID: 348523
1/1/2008 2:32 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
342753,
So why the PHA (potentially hazardous astroides) on spaceweather.com with toro listed on it. Im just curious why its listed in the first place. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342753
1/1/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
342753,
So why the PHA (potentially hazardous astroides) on spaceweather.com with toro listed on it. Im just curious why its listed in the first place. Quoting: Gwydion 348523
yes. miss distance 76 LD... that´s not close. |
| oeroe2911
User ID: 320769
1/1/2008 2:34 PM
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SIZE?
See for yourself:
1). Bookmark your reference sites:
[ link to www.spaceweather.com]
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Go to the SOHO and see that there are two main scopes:
C2 (red) is a closeup scope
C3 (blue) is the fuller sky view
The explosions were small but seemed large on the C2 red plates.
The main object was apparently lit up by the flare:
[ link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
If the main object was actually brightened by the flare, it stands to reason that it was close. The C3 (blue) plates tell us that the flare was actually so small that it hardly went beyond the edges of the central covering occultation disc in front the the Sun.
See for yourself -->
C3 blue cam plates (long shot takes)
2007/12/31 01:42 Movie Clip
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Archive LINK:
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Regarding the unanswered question about why the FLARE happened about the time the orb arrived at the solar flare spot. It looks at first blush in the animation that the orb CAUSED the flare. But looking at the still frames I am concluding that the orb may have just been there when the flare occurred. There are surrounding the incident flare in question:
NO Flare
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
BIG flare
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Note 3 Orbs in view!
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Dying Flare
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
[ link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
Note that the orbs in view are illuminated during the big flare only because there is more light between the LASCO satellite and the Sun! There is NO REFLECTED LIGHT FROM THE SURFACE OF THESE LUNAR ORBS! Proving they are not close to the Sun but BETWEEN the Earth and Sun.
Thus, these lunar orbs did not CAUSE the flare!!!
think again...
[link to www.youtube.com]
tjikkelindebikkel
"He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool... shun him.
He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is willing... teach him.
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep... awaken him.
He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise... follow him." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 276543
1/1/2008 2:35 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Is it gone yet or will this thread just keep spinning-- |
| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/1/2008 2:36 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
It could be energy in concentration. We all heard of lightning balls, rare though, but real. And it is interacting with the charged ions streaming from the sun. This interaction, glowing, appears bright. Similar, maybe, to the operation of northern lights or neon gases.
big question is, did the flare really interact with the object or is that an illusion of coincidence? |
| neutrino
User ID: 348151
1/1/2008 2:36 PM
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so any ideas on what this could potentialy be? |
| habjabdoobab
User ID: 336011
1/1/2008 2:38 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
1685 Toro
Among the very few tabulated asteroids with perihelion inside or closely outside the Earth's orbit some have periods nearly commensurable with the Earth's. The perturbed orbit of one of these, 1685 Toro, has been integrated over 1200 years. The results show that Toro is at present captured in resonance with the Earth and also that Venus has a drastic influence on the orbital elements. Toro's orbit is librating with a main period of 800 years and peak-to-peak amplitude of about 65°.
[link to www.springerlink.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 160454
1/1/2008 2:41 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Uh no, Nancy herself didn't space her notations far enough from the link, so her notes were included in the web address. Human error, although she blamed it on GLP.
You can go back to the post where she corrected her error and save the photos.
NASA... LOL. |
| Asinine
User ID: 287311
1/1/2008 2:41 PM
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[ link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
Stop this one at 11 20 and look real close. I can distinctly see a planet shaped object. About two thirds of it are in sunlight and the bottom third is in darkness and you can see a coronal type glow around the dark side of the object. My first inclination is that it is one of the planets.
The thing is definitely moving from right to left in the frame and is not stationary. If it was on the path of it's orbit and moving either nearly directly towards or away from the point of viewing, it would appear to be almost stationary.
Question: how many miles are we looking at from the edge of the solar mask to the edge of the field of view?
I posted earlier. It's Mercury. It's C3 transit for SOHO is done but the solar obeservatory Stereo, while it shares Earth's orbit around the sun, it is about 22 degrees in front and behind (2 craft). It has a different viewing angle and distance than SOHO.
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| The Lone Ranger 
Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people
User ID: 345915
1/1/2008 2:44 PM
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earth will collide with this soon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 330456
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User ID: 312470
1/1/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 348549
1/1/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
I posted earlier. It's Mercury. It's C3 transit for SOHO is done but the solar obeservatory Stereo, while it shares Earth's orbit around the sun, it is about 22 degrees in front and behind (2 craft). It has a different viewing angle and distance than SOHO. Quoting: Asinine
 |
| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/1/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Or it is 2007 TU24, set to skim earth at 1.4 LD Jan 29 2008 400meters.
If JLP was up, hmmm, you could see it rides next to earth for a short time as it passes. It wont fly by very fast since were both traveling more similar directions and speeds of orbit.
But only 400 meters and 28 days away still. Im not sure if this could be it. Just an idea thrown out there. |
| MJ
User ID: 340335
1/1/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
At about 7oclock on this pic, there is what looks like a red Star..
Anyone know what it is?
as for the Spammer that keeps posting Jupiter, it is he that is a disinfo artist, Jupiter past on the 23rd and is nowhere near the Sun now, it also has a disc through the middle of it.
This is definitely not Jupiter, anyone with half a brain knows that. |
| Asinine
User ID: 287311
1/1/2008 2:49 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 348549
Oh, hey look. Someone hiding behind a proxy server so they can act like a jackass.
"It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements." -Definition of Asinine, www.Dictionary.com
It's all a farce; and, the joke is on all of us. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 348549
1/1/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Uh.. uh.. maybe it's uhhh... uhhhhh..
Look at how many explanations there are for this! Now consider how many of you are wrong! Now shut the fuck up PLEASE!! PLLLLEEEASSEE! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 339058
1/1/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
MICKY MOUSE MICKY MOUSE MICKY MOUSE
or
Blue beam Nancy is crazy and so are the glpers except MJ he is always right |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 340335
1/1/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
At about 7oclock on this pic, there is what looks like a red Star..
Anyone know what it is?
as for the Spammer that keeps posting Jupiter, it is he that is a disinfo artist, Jupiter past on the 23rd and is nowhere near the Sun now, it also has a disc through the middle of it.
This is definitely not Jupiter, anyone with half a brain knows that. Quoting: MJ 340335
woops, here is the pic btw lol
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 348549
1/1/2008 2:50 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Oh, hey look. Someone hiding behind a proxy server so they can act like a jackass. Quoting: Asinine
Dont get mad fag. It's the internet. |
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