Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun

Nancy is this wobble causing the sun to rise in the Southeast yet set due West? Is it causing the sun to rise a few minutes late and according to some, and I have not checked yet, to set earlier than predicted?Is it causing the birds and other animals to get confused and disoriented? My birds have pretty much vanished this last year along with the bees and butterflies?


Depends upon what part of the globe you are on. And unless you are going off past years observations on where the Sun or Moon should be, you should check with a planetarium program to understand where it is expected to be. These progams will tell you, relative to N/S or E/W where to expect a sunrise or sunset. YOU must find a street that is dead E/W or whatever, or building aligned such. Many streets in the Midwest are laid out on such grids, and I think that surveys must have this type of indication.

These pages may help you understand how observations from your part of the globe have shown the wobble to present to you.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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this thread is being ridiculed across the world . lol

Nancy is this wobble causing the sun to rise in the Southeast yet set due West? Is it causing the sun to rise a few minutes late and according to some, and I have not checked yet, to set earlier than predicted?Is it causing the birds and other animals to get confused and disoriented? My birds have pretty much vanished this last year along with the bees and butterflies?


What "wobble"? Is Polaris(the north star) out of place in the sky? No, it's not. There is no "wobble".


It's often too HIGH in the dome, and not exactly North either, per observations.

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But we'll have the GoTo protesters any minute now. How everything is normal and we should trust THEIR statements.

Im not convinced a dust cloud would make Mercury look 1000x larger than any other vid of Mercury in reference to the Sun.
That is why I am still wondering what this is....
But no one...since page 33 of this fricken thread....
can answer this with ANY degreee of logic and data...
it's either "the Zeta's said...", or "If you knew anything about real astronomy"....look ...I do know something about real astronomy, and THAT is why I can't understand Mercury as being this large compared to the Sun, ESPECIALLY while it is farther away from us (at least 28,000,000mi).
Please...no more opinion or crap ...fact...link...so we can be done here and move on to the next part...
No one is joining any cults even if we prove this thing to Be planet X with the "gods" of mythology on it with an ultrasound of me in their wallet.
I'm not arguing ANY of these points...just want some sense....ANYONE?

Ipso facto, it is either not Mercury or … Mercury is not where it should be or … Earth is not where she should be and … what does this mean?

ooooorrrrrrr...?


You have really no idea what you are saying.

n.a.n.c.y.

you really are not where you should be.

You see?

...

shame on you. (all of y.o.u.)

...yawn.

..............
the alphalphas

In this animation, which stops at 14:30 on Jan 2nd, there is an OBVIOUS Moon of PlanetX (aka Niburu) at 3 o'clock.


Remember when "zetas" identified a known asteroid as PX?


Those were humans on the team, NOT the Zetas, liar.

Menow, back at work, eh? Your REAL job as government debunker :-).

I have only an observation to add to this thread, it has occurred to me that some of us have been noticing the sun does not come up as early as it should. Could this be significant? I know I posted in early December and just today fieldolight posted a thread to this effect as well. Hope this helps to get people thinking outside of the box.



You mean outside of the box of rationality? Go to ANY astronomy club and ask them if the Sun is coming up too late. See if you think they are ALL lying.



I think people are thrown by the 3 week jump on Savings Time this year...cause that seems to come up a lot despite data showing to the contrary....

But I'd still like a response to my post about the szie of "?Mercury?"

Please explain in simple terms for the simple folks, me included . What is to be expected of this ?


SOZT
Were it not for the op of this thread having posted in alarm at what he saw as a large orb near a flare of the Sun, many irregularities would have been overlooked. These irregularities have been in place since the end of 2003 when the Earth was halted in her orbit by the gravity presence of Planet X standing in her path. She has since been trapped in her stopped orbit, pushed back in her orbit while Planet X moved closer to the Sun and then began an outbound path. As we have explained, Earth is caught in an eddy flow of particles coming round the backside of Planet X from the Sun. She cannot move forward or backwards in her orbit on her own, as these particle flows are so intense they in essence form a wall, blocking her.

While Earth is in this trapped orbit position, we, the Zetas, and other benign aliens have been allowed to tilt the Earth forward and back, or bob her higher or lower in the Ecliptic, to simulate the seasons. This has in fact been done during many past pole shift periods in order to maintain life on Earth and not allow a stopped Earth from frying or freezing her intelligent species. Beyond simulating the seasons, this effort allows the populace of Earth to gradually become aware of the coming pole shift and the devastation this will cause. The goal is not so much to repress panic in the public, the common man, but to placate the establishment. It is THEIR panic that would be horrific, as they would mow down the common man in the streets, attempt to impose martial law, and implement their plans to murder many millions of what they consider unwanted mouths to feed.

But the simulated seasons and manipulation of other planets in the solar system to effect the simulation of normalcy is not perfect. In addition, the Earth has developed a wobble, a daily figure 8 of the geographic N Pole, and recently this figure 8 has developed a strong lurch and rebound due to the growing confrontation between the magnetic N Pole of Planet X and the magnetic N Pole of Earth. There has been no attempt to disguise this wobble or the irregular weather it propagates, as those on Earth who are open to realizing the coming changes must be allowed to contemplate these irregularities and come to the right conclusions. Those in the public who would panic or react in fear can deny. Those in the establishment who fear the public becoming aware and making demands upon them are placated as the cover-up appears alive and well. But those who have eyes that see can begin to research and plan to move their loved ones to safe locations.

The result of this discussion on this thread on GLP will be that a few more have become educated, have seen the inability of any official explanation for what has been noted, and have seen the desperate attempts of the debunkers to throw out alternate explanations. The orb presumed to be Mercury does not have the traditional aspect of passing planets, appears too large, and loses its light halfway through the passage. What kind of dust cloud could be obscuring the view of Mercury, and diffusing the light so it looks too large? What kind of dust is swirling in front of the light from Mercury, that it appears to be rotating in place? The asteroid 1685Torro was thrown out as the explanation but likewise is not in the field of view per official orbit diagrams, nor did the attempt from a NASA stooge to claim it as a star gain any advocates. But what WAS discovered were many moon like objects, reflecting light from the right hand side of the Sun. What is that light source? Clearly it is the object that was reflected on a December 23 LASCO image, an object with a tail drifting to the left, showing that the tail debris would logically be drifting left to be in front of the SOHO/LASCO cameras.

Where is this leading? We have hinted that the drama is not yet over. We have hinted that earthquakes will be involved, and things seen in the skies. We are not allowed by the rules to be precise in our predictions, so cannot warn mankind of coming dangers. Regarding anything that would tend to prove the existence of Planet X and cause the cover-up to split open, we likewise do not want to clue the establishment into what that might be, as we WANT them to stumble. We WANT the participants in the cover-up to be frightened and blurt out the truth or fail to maintain the cover-up so that holes in the story line are obvious. Beyond this, it is leading to more severe Earth changes, which we have been predicting since the start of ZetaTalk. Diasaster will become so common they will no longer hit the news, and may not even be locally reported. Emergency management teams will be exhausted, and may not even notice a change in leadership in the White House during this time, Pelosi or Gore in the Oval Office at long last. These disasters, increasing at what seems an exponential rate, will morph into the last weeks we have so carefully details. And then the pole shift!
EOZT


Anyone who accepts the above story as factual, deserves it.

Please explain in simple terms for the simple folks, me included . What is to be expected of this ?


SOZT
Were it not for the op of this thread having posted in alarm at what he saw as a large orb near a flare of the Sun, many irregularities would have been overlooked. These irregularities have been in place since the end of 2003 when the Earth was halted in her orbit by the gravity presence of Planet X standing in her path. She has since been trapped in her stopped orbit, pushed back in her orbit while Planet X moved closer to the Sun and then began an outbound path. As we have explained, Earth is caught in an eddy flow of particles coming round the backside of Planet X from the Sun. She cannot move forward or backwards in her orbit on her own, as these particle flows are so intense they in essence form a wall, blocking her.

While Earth is in this trapped orbit position, we, the Zetas, and other benign aliens have been allowed to tilt the Earth forward and back, or bob her higher or lower in the Ecliptic, to simulate the seasons. This has in fact been done during many past pole shift periods in order to maintain life on Earth and not allow a stopped Earth from frying or freezing her intelligent species. Beyond simulating the seasons, this effort allows the populace of Earth to gradually become aware of the coming pole shift and the devastation this will cause. The goal is not so much to repress panic in the public, the common man, but to placate the establishment. It is THEIR panic that would be horrific, as they would mow down the common man in the streets, attempt to impose martial law, and implement their plans to murder many millions of what they consider unwanted mouths to feed.

But the simulated seasons and manipulation of other planets in the solar system to effect the simulation of normalcy is not perfect. In addition, the Earth has developed a wobble, a daily figure 8 of the geographic N Pole, and recently this figure 8 has developed a strong lurch and rebound due to the growing confrontation between the magnetic N Pole of Planet X and the magnetic N Pole of Earth. There has been no attempt to disguise this wobble or the irregular weather it propagates, as those on Earth who are open to realizing the coming changes must be allowed to contemplate these irregularities and come to the right conclusions. Those in the public who would panic or react in fear can deny. Those in the establishment who fear the public becoming aware and making demands upon them are placated as the cover-up appears alive and well. But those who have eyes that see can begin to research and plan to move their loved ones to safe locations.

The result of this discussion on this thread on GLP will be that a few more have become educated, have seen the inability of any official explanation for what has been noted, and have seen the desperate attempts of the debunkers to throw out alternate explanations. The orb presumed to be Mercury does not have the traditional aspect of passing planets, appears too large, and loses its light halfway through the passage. What kind of dust cloud could be obscuring the view of Mercury, and diffusing the light so it looks too large? What kind of dust is swirling in front of the light from Mercury, that it appears to be rotating in place? The asteroid 1685Torro was thrown out as the explanation but likewise is not in the field of view per official orbit diagrams, nor did the attempt from a NASA stooge to claim it as a star gain any advocates. But what WAS discovered were many moon like objects, reflecting light from the right hand side of the Sun. What is that light source? Clearly it is the object that was reflected on a December 23 LASCO image, an object with a tail drifting to the left, showing that the tail debris would logically be drifting left to be in front of the SOHO/LASCO cameras.

Where is this leading? We have hinted that the drama is not yet over. We have hinted that earthquakes will be involved, and things seen in the skies. We are not allowed by the rules to be precise in our predictions, so cannot warn mankind of coming dangers. Regarding anything that would tend to prove the existence of Planet X and cause the cover-up to split open, we likewise do not want to clue the establishment into what that might be, as we WANT them to stumble. We WANT the participants in the cover-up to be frightened and blurt out the truth or fail to maintain the cover-up so that holes in the story line are obvious. Beyond this, it is leading to more severe Earth changes, which we have been predicting since the start of ZetaTalk. Diasaster will become so common they will no longer hit the news, and may not even be locally reported. Emergency management teams will be exhausted, and may not even notice a change in leadership in the White House during this time, Pelosi or Gore in the Oval Office at long last. These disasters, increasing at what seems an exponential rate, will morph into the last weeks we have so carefully details. And then the pole shift!
EOZT
THANK YOU NANCY & ZETAS


Anyone who accepts the above story as factual, deserves it.

Here's the page the liar Menow was referring to. Note that ZetaTalk is not involved! The Zetas believe in allowing humans to work things out for themselves, as they learn by this process. They don't want dumbies being lectured to. They want growth. This thread is an example of that. Lots of hard work, by HUMANS, and I certainly learned a lot in the process!

[link to www.zetatalk3.com]

The moving object that is next to 3 stars is 2001 KS14. See the attached pictures. I don’t recall that we called it PX, or PX moon. I have followed HNSKY instructions on using minor planet data from MPC in HNSKY. HNSKY reports Asteroid 2001 KS14 at RA 4 21 44.5 DEC 12 08 32. DSS2 shows the object is almost at RA 4 21 44.547 DEC 12 08 32.17
Jan 10 Images: Time in UT:
Jan10-1.fts 2003-01-10 06:54:41 10.287974537
Jan10-2.fts 2003-01-10 07:05:32 10.295509259
Jan10-3.fts 2003-01-10 07:17:03 10.303506944
Jan10-4.fts 2003-01-10 07:27:57 10.311076388
Jan10-5.fts 2003-01-10 07:38:53 10.318668981
Naji
The images were taken around 7 UTC so that would be about 10.29 and give an RA 04 21 44.7 Dec 12 08 35 which is right where that object shows up on the images.
Steve

[link to www.zetatalk3.com]

I processed (only with the dark) a sum and a median image. I'm so glad to see on Jan 10 images the first undoubtful moving object! It is "A" on the Cunningham image [below] and it looks like an asteroid. I calculated the speed of "A" (Cunningham image) object.
horizontal speed : Vx ~= 0.001065 deg (Dec) = 7.94e-05 hour RA
vertical speed : Vy ~= 0.002662 deg (Dec)
It is too fast to be Planet X itself. Taking only the horizontal speed, the object would reach the next coordinate Dec for Jan 21 in almost in 1 day! And it moves up very quickly. Could be a moon or something else. Could be a NEO crossing the field. Now you must write to IAU, and then we can know if :
- it is an existing asteroid ?
- it is a new object!
You could rename Nibiru or one of its moon by your name, Steve! So it is very important to post this observation to IAU!
Pierre-Eric

If the asteroid/object was at 4 SunPluto then its speed is 1/888 the speed of light, slower than the speed of light, and assuming that it has 2 D motion. If it was a PX moon, then it’s too fast, would escape from PX.
Naji

I wrote to the IAU last month for the Dec 13-14, 2002 images. One of their people responded right away and we had several back and forth dialogues but the end result was that they would not acknowledge that they would, or could look at the images. He said they were too busy to look at every set of images people send in even though I did everything he asked and reported it in exactly as they detail to do on their site. This went on all day so he was taking the time to respond etc.

I reported the objects in the format they request, I emailed them the FITS files encoded as they request, I offered to send it through FTP, I gave him a link he could download them from and even as a last resort I sent a BMP with the objects circled with comparison DSS that he could just view by opening his email up. He even said with the BMP that he could not open that type of file (as far as I know he wouldn't even have to open it to see it as it's displayed with the email text) and told me not to send anymore images and that was the last response I got from him. So a big run around and I don't think they're going to acknowledge anything no matter what I send in!
Steve

It's silly excuse... When someone discover a supernovae you have very few time to observe it, and for an asteroid you have to track it as soon as possible not to loose it. The true reason, I think, is that it is unusual objects. But I think you should try with "A" object on Jan 10 images, because it is an obvious asteroid-like object, and they can't hesitate (noise or defects). It is a well known situation for them, so they can't find an excuse this time! (I have already seen images of an asteroid, is it just like that!). By the way, you should contact people who work on Near Earth Objects.
[link to cfa-www.harvard.edu]
They can't play the game "we will see later..." when an asteroid is possibly coming to earth... it's their job to quick identify it!
Pierre-Eric

Im not convinced a dust cloud would make Mercury look 1000x larger than any other vid of Mercury in reference to the Sun.

That is why I am still wondering what this is....

But no one...since page 33 of this fricken thread....
can answer this with ANY degreee of logic and data...
it's either "the Zeta's said...", or "If you knew anything about real astronomy"....look ...I do know something about real astronomy, and THAT is why I can't understand Mercury as being this large compared to the Sun, ESPECIALLY while it is farther away from us (at least 28,000,000mi).

Please...no more opinion or crap ...fact...link...so we can be done here and move on to the next part...

No one is joining any cults even if we prove this thing to Be planet X with the "gods" of mythology on it with an ultrasound of me in their wallet.

I'm not arguing ANY of these points...just want some sense....ANYONE?

Per the Zetas, it is only APPEARING large because the light from Mercury is coming through the immense dust cloud of Planet X. This has wafted past Earth too, and is why P17/Holmes seems to huge. I just posted this, so check the explanation. Light rays normally going out to the sides are bend back in toward our view. The same reason our sun just rising or setting can suddenly look gigantic! An illusion, caused by light rays being bend. And yes they DO bend. Your feet aren't off to the side like they look when you stand in water, etc.

Here's the page the liar Menow was referring to. Note that ZetaTalk is not involved! The Zetas believe in allowing humans to work things out for themselves, as they learn by this process. They don't want dumbies being lectured to. They want growth. This thread is an example of that. Lots of hard work, by HUMANS, and I certainly learned a lot in the process!

[link to www.zetatalk3.com]

The moving object that is next to 3 stars is 2001 KS14. See the attached pictures. I don’t recall that we called it PX, or PX moon. I have followed HNSKY instructions on using minor planet data from MPC in HNSKY. HNSKY reports Asteroid 2001 KS14 at RA 4 21 44.5 DEC 12 08 32. DSS2 shows the object is almost at RA 4 21 44.547 DEC 12 08 32.17
Jan 10 Images: Time in UT:
Jan10-1.fts 2003-01-10 06:54:41 10.287974537
Jan10-2.fts 2003-01-10 07:05:32 10.295509259
Jan10-3.fts 2003-01-10 07:17:03 10.303506944
Jan10-4.fts 2003-01-10 07:27:57 10.311076388
Jan10-5.fts 2003-01-10 07:38:53 10.318668981
Naji
The images were taken around 7 UTC so that would be about 10.29 and give an RA 04 21 44.7 Dec 12 08 35 which is right where that object shows up on the images.
Steve

[link to www.zetatalk3.com]

I processed (only with the dark) a sum and a median image. I'm so glad to see on Jan 10 images the first undoubtful moving object! It is "A" on the Cunningham image [below] and it looks like an asteroid. I calculated the speed of "A" (Cunningham image) object.
horizontal speed : Vx ~= 0.001065 deg (Dec) = 7.94e-05 hour RA
vertical speed : Vy ~= 0.002662 deg (Dec)
It is too fast to be Planet X itself. Taking only the horizontal speed, the object would reach the next coordinate Dec for Jan 21 in almost in 1 day! And it moves up very quickly. Could be a moon or something else. Could be a NEO crossing the field. Now you must write to IAU, and then we can know if :
- it is an existing asteroid ?
- it is a new object!
You could rename Nibiru or one of its moon by your name, Steve! So it is very important to post this observation to IAU!
Pierre-Eric

If the asteroid/object was at 4 SunPluto then its speed is 1/888 the speed of light, slower than the speed of light, and assuming that it has 2 D motion. If it was a PX moon, then it’s too fast, would escape from PX.
Naji

I wrote to the IAU last month for the Dec 13-14, 2002 images. One of their people responded right away and we had several back and forth dialogues but the end result was that they would not acknowledge that they would, or could look at the images. He said they were too busy to look at every set of images people send in even though I did everything he asked and reported it in exactly as they detail to do on their site. This went on all day so he was taking the time to respond etc.

I reported the objects in the format they request, I emailed them the FITS files encoded as they request, I offered to send it through FTP, I gave him a link he could download them from and even as a last resort I sent a BMP with the objects circled with comparison DSS that he could just view by opening his email up. He even said with the BMP that he could not open that type of file (as far as I know he wouldn't even have to open it to see it as it's displayed with the email text) and told me not to send anymore images and that was the last response I got from him. So a big run around and I don't think they're going to acknowledge anything no matter what I send in!
Steve

It's silly excuse... When someone discover a supernovae you have very few time to observe it, and for an asteroid you have to track it as soon as possible not to loose it. The true reason, I think, is that it is unusual objects. But I think you should try with "A" object on Jan 10 images, because it is an obvious asteroid-like object, and they can't hesitate (noise or defects). It is a well known situation for them, so they can't find an excuse this time! (I have already seen images of an asteroid, is it just like that!). By the way, you should contact people who work on Near Earth Objects.
[link to cfa-www.harvard.edu]
They can't play the game "we will see later..." when an asteroid is possibly coming to earth... it's their job to quick identify it!
Pierre-Eric


More gobbldygook from Nancy.

Hey, Nance... Where is your "image expert", JW Dell, now? I DARE you to include what you neatly sidestepped in all of this... the time when your OWN "expert", DELL, recanted and admitted that no PX had EVER been imaged at your coords.

"The Zetas believe in allowing humans to work things out for themselves, as they learn by this process. They don't want dumbies being lectured to."

Really.. well where is your "imaging team" now? Funny, but they all "learned" and realized that you were WRONG!

I DARE you to resubmit those images to ANY reputable institution for analysis.

I DARE YOU.

Here is a page dedicated to those particular images. It shows how your "image expert" picked a known asteroid. I don't know if "zetas" confirmed that PARTICULAR object as PX, but they certainly "confirmed" dozens of others(mostly mere image noise, falsely, as your mythical planet.

[link to m1.aol.com]

Okay...I just figured out why this room fell apart....

Look...present facts...not anyone's opinion or what they "heard" from someone else, this goes for all...just for the sake of proving/disproving the matter at hand

And debunking is NOT disproving

I have only an observation to add to this thread, it has occurred to me that some of us have been noticing the sun does not come up as early as it should. Could this be significant? I know I posted in early December and just today fieldolight posted a thread to this effect as well. Hope this helps to get people thinking outside of the box.



You mean outside of the box of rationality? Go to ANY astronomy club and ask them if the Sun is coming up too late. See if you think they are ALL lying.



I think people are thrown by the 3 week jump on Savings Time this year...cause that seems to come up a lot despite data showing to the contrary....

But I'd still like a response to my post about the szie of "?Mercury?"


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Rerun,

No one seems to be getting that the SOHO C3 image from 31 Dec is not Mercury. However, the STEREO A image in the OP's post, is of Mercury.

So then, what is the object in the 31 Dec SOHO image?

Please look at the SOHO sequence between 13 Dec and 31 Dec.

It is still my contention that the "second" object is the asteroid Toro. It has the same trajectory -- downward-left-to-right (relative to SOHO). Keep in mind that SOHO is 1,500,000 km from Earth and that Toro is between 80,000,000 km and 45,000,000 km from Earth -- Toro is very close to SOHO.

SOHO 13 Dec: Mercury BOTTOM CENTER, 2nd Object ABOVE-MIDDLE LEFT

[link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


SOHO 25 Dec: Mercury BOTTOM KEFT, 2nd Object MIDDLE CENTER

[link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


SOHO 31 Dec: Mercury [gone], 2nd Object BELOW-MIDDLE RIGHT

[link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


Trajectory ... trajectory ... trajectory ..

What is not right, however, is the timing of Toro. Perhaps Toro has arrived early.


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I am in Omaha Nebraska.

Give up the Nancy crap. I dont care about it. Its just a sensless motion to draw attention way from the object seen.

Basic fact, not a star, not a planet. Before you go ripping away at someone elses opinion, lets here your own. AND ONE that doesnt involve a planet or a star.

Nancy may be crazy, she may not be. It has no bearing on the post at hand.

Sometimes I wonder if Nancy is a governmemt agent whom graces her presence to completely discredit the truth. Its no wonder people cant get a straight answer anymore.

Unless you have a constructive answer or input to the question of the objects nature, your not helping the situation by rambling helpess BS.

Man, 80% of the population is immature and uncapable of handling an intellectual conversation without resorting to abusive language.

It makes me sick!

NOW, what is it? Not a star and not a planet!

I'm looking foward to a reasonable idea here.

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Ok its Mercury I herby apologize to everyone on this thread for freaking out and loosing sense of direction. It seems the reason it appeared above the ecliptic and so to me at a different trajectory/orbit and a major increase in size was due to a dust cloud. I can live with that as to believe in the alternative. Thanks Nancy May the blessings be.
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Mercury is below the Sun when passing behind it and above the Sun when in front of it. It SHOULD be right where it was on the animations. It was its odd appearance that had us hung up at the end of the discussion.

Then why don't you take it to an astronomy forum where they can give you real answers?


Would you mind to post one of those real answers or link specific to the OP's object if you have it. Its a sincere request and I'm not sarcastic. I Need clearer answers to, its been a roller-coaster ride.

. . . .

Unless you have a constructive answer or input to the question of the objects nature, your not helping the situation by rambling helpess BS.

Man, 80% of the population is immature and uncapable of handling an intellectual conversation without resorting to abusive language.

It makes me sick!

NOW, what is it? Not a star and not a planet!

I'm looking foward to a reasonable idea here.