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| Free Store
User ID: 148384
1/2/2008 6:09 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Others here are only trying to find the truth by interacting Menow. So interact.. Or take a side seat. |
| Menow
User ID: 156952
1/2/2008 6:12 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
They HAVE been shown to be a known asteroid and a planet-MERCURY! Read the thread!?
Menow lies again. It was shown to NOT be 1685Torro. Not anywhere near in the line of sight of the Stereo Ahead. Nowhere near.
It has been ASSERTED by many to be this tiny asteroid. And rejected by all who checked the facts.
Might go to one of those astronomy clubs you are always recommending, Menow, and get educated!
And you have ASSERTED that there are PX moons in those images. HAR!
But if it were possible for brown dwarfs to exist, then how unreasonable would it be for them to also have a care of moonlike satelites? This theory would explain many things.
No one has to agree, but it is food for thought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
Moonlike satellites which trail behind the smouldering brown dwarf mother planet and waft around while it hovers, stalled, near the Sun for 5 years, all the while retaining it's water oceans and causing Earth to halt in orbit???
Don't you even know what Nancy actually claims? |
| Menow
User ID: 156952
1/2/2008 6:17 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Thats is right Menow. An empty post about you. Now about your claim..GOT any back up.
I see that you are just going to ramble, as always, and refuse to make any real point.
My point made Menow, you can't claim diddly squat. Why is that. Is it all talk or what? Back something up you make as a claim. Quoting: Free Store 148384
You challenge me to defend a claim that you now demand I make?
OK. I have "claimed" that you don't know what you are talking about when you say that the Moon is too far from the ecliptic. I have backed that up many times and you have run away or just commenced to babbling each time.
Hows that? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
1/2/2008 6:18 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
They HAVE been shown to be a known asteroid and a planet-MERCURY! Read the thread!?
Menow lies again. It was shown to NOT be 1685Torro. Not anywhere near in the line of sight of the Stereo Ahead. Nowhere near.
It has been ASSERTED by many to be this tiny asteroid. And rejected by all who checked the facts.
According to YOU? I can't imagine a less credible source. I see that you are still ignoring where I provided the link to your statement that PX is more than 1 AU from Earth. Quoting: Menow 156952
You must be kidding Meow.....
Maybe you should open another window and do some research for yourself, then you would see what the rest of us have seen. It's out there. Just find out for yourself if you don't believe what is printed here on the links.
I suppose you think the moon is made of cheese and that our earth is actually flat?
These things have been scientifically proven. All we are doing is speculating, not shoving it down anyone's throat. |
| Menow
User ID: 156952
1/2/2008 6:20 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
I hope this helps...
Richard A. Muller suggests the most likely object which causes mass extinctions on earth is caused by a red dwarf star grazing the Oort cloud.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
[ link to www.nature.com]
[ link to www.nature.com]
[ link to muller.lbl.gov]
Daniel P. Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson argues its a brown dwarf.
But I guess the search under taken by these scientists is just as silly as my theory huh?
this shows the proximity they can have to us
[ link to www.spaceflightnow.com]
They are quite numerous, dwarfs
[ link to www.astronomy.com]
Brown dwarfs around stars considered common and evidence for one orbiting our sun is mounting
[ link to www.sciencedaily.com]
Objects entering our solar system aren't as crazy as once thought
[ link to www.space.com]
Dark Star Theory. Ever heard of it?
[ link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[ link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
I'de love to dig up more but I have a life to attend to. Tommorow I will present my case further.
Unfortunately, I have yet to find the article confirming the 80% probability stars like ours have smaller companion stars. Though, I will not rest until I do.
I meant all this with the best regards. its unfortunate you feel it implicable to impose your ideas on others. Funny, it seems im doing the same, rather, just responding to your cruel responses to my theories.
Well, there you have it. If Im off the rocker, then so are these highly respected scientists and astronomers.
And Im probally gonna have to email the forum moderator since all these links might trigger the bot. Small price to pay I guess.
Good night. ;)
This actually does little to back up the many assertions on your list. How about Pluto's orbit? How about my questions on the large gas planets' orbits you claimed are somehow out of whack? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 122589
1/2/2008 6:22 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
And you trust NASA's data? How uncharacteristic of you. |
| Menow
User ID: 156952
1/2/2008 6:23 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Schmieder22
I applaud your patience and extremely polite manner with certain parties who shall remain nameless.
I agree with your questioning. I also, do not believe the question of the object has been answered adequately.
Thanks
Marianne Quoting: Anonymous Coward 339268
Which object, and what would you accept as an adequate answer? What is your response to Nancy Lieder's claims that the images show moons of her imaginary planet? |
| Free Store
User ID: 148384
1/2/2008 6:25 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Thats is right Menow. An empty post about you. Now about your claim..GOT any back up.
I see that you are just going to ramble, as always, and refuse to make any real point.
My point made Menow, you can't claim diddly squat. Why is that. Is it all talk or what? Back something up you make as a claim.
You challenge me to defend a claim that you now demand I make?
OK. I have "claimed" that you don't know what you are talking about when you say that the Moon is too far from the ecliptic. I have backed that up many times and you have run away or just commenced to babbling each time.
Hows that? Quoting: Menow 156952
That is good if you were beyond five yrs of age but you aren't by not showing anything worth digesting;
Subject Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun  Was that Earth's Moon in the pic or what are you claiming? |
| Menow
User ID: 156952
1/2/2008 6:27 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
They HAVE been shown to be a known asteroid and a planet-MERCURY! Read the thread!?
Menow lies again. It was shown to NOT be 1685Torro. Not anywhere near in the line of sight of the Stereo Ahead. Nowhere near.
It has been ASSERTED by many to be this tiny asteroid. And rejected by all who checked the facts.
According to YOU? I can't imagine a less credible source. I see that you are still ignoring where I provided the link to your statement that PX is more than 1 AU from Earth.
You must be kidding Meow..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
Kidding about what? Please be specific.
Maybe you should open another window and do some research for yourself, then you would see what the rest of us have seen. It's out there. Just find out for yourself if you don't believe what is printed here on the links. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
Excuse me? WHAT is out there?
I suppose you think the moon is made of cheese and that our earth is actually flat? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
No. I don't think that. Whatever gave you that idea?
These things have been scientifically proven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
What things. Please be specific.
All we are doing is speculating, not shoving it down anyone's throat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
No. Nancy lieder has been "shoving it down throats" for years. That is why you think you "know" what you think you "know". |
| picesnator 
User ID: 318318
1/2/2008 6:31 PM
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NASA cancelled the shuttle launch for January, don't know if it's related to any of this.....
i always thought that glitch in the engines was lame
It is not an engine glitch, it is a problem with the ECO Sensors. These prevent an O2 rich SSME shutdown which could lead to LOV scale accidents.
PLEASE, make a modest effort to understand what you are talking about before you further confirm your ignorance.
There are eight propellant-depletion sensors, four each for fuel and oxidizer. The fuel-depletion sensors are located in the bottom of the fuel tank. The oxidizer sensors are mounted in the orbiter liquid oxygen feed line manifold downstream of the feed line disconnect. During SSME thrusting, the orbiter general-purpose computers constantly compute the instantaneous mass of the vehicle due to the usage of the propellants. Normally, main engine cutoff is based on a predetermined velocity; however, if any two of the fuel or oxidizer sensors sense a dry condition, the engines will be shut down.
The locations of the liquid oxygen sensors allow the maximum amount of oxidizer to be consumed in the engines, while allowing sufficient time to shut down the engines before the oxidizer pumps cavitate (run dry). In addition, 1,100 pounds of liquid hydrogen are loaded over and above that required by the 6-1 oxidizer / fuel engine mixture ratio. This assures that MECO from the depletion sensors is fuel-rich; oxidizer-rich engine shutdowns can cause burning and severe erosion of engine components.
. Quoting: The Commentator
like i said....LAME!! but that's okay squirrelbait |
| IDW
User ID: 349111
1/2/2008 6:31 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
That other planets are warming up, is a fact...
And, if true, this would mean what, to you? Quoting: Menow 156952
You're right about at least one of the many sources confirming that warming is occuring on all of the planets of the solar system is a definite woo woo group, known for total incompetence , unreliability and dishonesty.
It's NASA.
Here are some more reliable sources, however:
[link to www.livescience.com]
[link to search.aol.com]
[link to search.aol.com]
[link to search.aol.com]
I've known since 1999 that global warming was caused by the Sun. If you call me a woo woo I'll make a fucking liar out of you. |
| IDW
User ID: 349111
1/2/2008 6:34 PM | | Jenn++
User ID: 144626
1/2/2008 6:34 PM | | Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/2/2008 6:35 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
This actually does little to back up the many assertions on your list. How about Pluto's orbit? How about my questions on the large gas planets' orbits you claimed are somehow out of whack? Quoting: Menow 156952
do you actually believe plutos orbit is comparable to the rest of the planets? Any 1st grader knows it has a much more extreme in angle and is much more eliptical.
1988 The Naval Observatory confirmed distortions in the orbits of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto confirming the existance of a large body roughly 3-4 times the size of earth. Here is a link buddy, and this was the latest release from the Us Naval Observatory on Nov 4 2007. Read it and weep you helpless prick!
[link to www.springerlink.com]
quoted from this link...
Neptune and Pluto were discovered because of predictions derived from the differences between the observations and ephemerides of Uranus, but Pluto wasn't the predicted planet and the discrepancies still exist. This continuing existence of systematic differences between the observations and ephemerides of Uranus and Neptune has led to predictions of a Planet X. The demise of the dinosaurs and the existence of comets have been cited as additional evidence for another celestial object.
Therefore, possible bodies have been hypothesized in the outer part of the solar system, or out beyond the solar system, including a binary companion, Nemesis. The theory of relativity and the incompleteness of the law of gravity have also been suggested as explanations for the outer planet discrepancies. Predictions of the possible locations of planet X have been made, with rather large uncertainties, and selected searches of some regions have yielded nothing. IRAS and Pioneer observations exist as additional sources of useful observational data. |
| Jenn++
User ID: 144626
1/2/2008 6:36 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Chk at 1/2/2008 at 11:06
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
AND IT'S ROTATING OUR DIRECTION |
| Schmieder22
User ID: 324203
1/2/2008 6:38 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
That other planets are warming up, is a fact...
And, if true, this would mean what, to you?
You're right about at least one of the many sources confirming that warming is occuring on all of the planets of the solar system is a definite woo woo group, known for total incompetence , unreliability and dishonesty.
It's NASA.
Here are some more reliable sources, however:
[ link to www.livescience.com]
[ link to search.aol.com]
[ link to search.aol.com]
[ link to search.aol.com]
I've known since 1999 that global warming was caused by the Sun. If you call me a woo woo I'll make a fucking liar out of you.
thank you :) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 160058
1/2/2008 6:41 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Anyone else ready for Nancy to start a new thread, and delete all these clowns? She has to much to offer, along with so many others, but no one can make any headway with these punks taking jabs at every post. |
| IDW
User ID: 349111
1/2/2008 6:53 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Mainstream scientists are starting to wake up to facts, including climatologists.
It is said the "brightness" of the Sun has increased only a fraction of a percent since 96, but the total amount of solar energy reaching the Earth and the planets CANNOT be accuratel calculated that way.
The reason why we are seeing cooling now is simple, we are currently at the solar minimum.
When calculating the total heating potential from the Sun, ALL forms of radiation emenating from it must be included, which is what the idiots are intentionally avoiding.
These other sources include solar x ray storms, proton storms, increased electron and proton flux readings , and even cosmic radiation. All of these are energy, and all are being left out of the "calculations", either out of ignorance or incompetence [widespread in the scientific community], or outright lying . |
| Oxygen
User ID: 300487
1/2/2008 7:05 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
I think the thread's main question is already answered (Mercury).
Some accepted all the orbit plots provided a few pages back. Mercury was in the right spot.
I am ready to talk about why the object's size look bigger than expected. Anyone? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 282813
1/2/2008 7:06 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
<<<<<<Kinda hopin the strange object destroys the Zetas so we can: strongly disagree
A.) Have a clue as to what it REALLY is : bravo
B.) Stop the input in this thread from known liars and disinformation sources : bravo
We are conducting the best investigation we know how and there are quite a few in here giving good info that helps us get to the bottom of it and either prove or disprove (you know who you are and I'm grateful for you)...but everything doen't haveta be X...and if it is let's let the facts lead us to that conclusion rather than an outside source inputting without fact and substance..
We've had enough disinfo and this is how it stops
Well..... if it's not a known planet, star, asteroid, probe, then what else could it be ? Perhaps if all the obvious "things" have been proven to be wrong, what ever is left how crazy it may seem must be the truth ?
They HAVE been shown to be a known asteroid and a planet-MERCURY! Read the thread!?
Menow lies again. It was shown to NOT be 1685Torro. Not anywhere near in the line of sight of the Stereo Ahead. Nowhere near.
It has been ASSERTED by many to be this tiny asteroid. And rejected by all who checked the facts.
Might go to one of those astronomy clubs you are always recommending, Menow, and get educated! Quoting: Nancy Lieder
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Nancy,
Disregarding the STEREO images of Mercury, you still have not contributed to an explanation of the SOHO C3 images between 13 Dec and 31 Dec, specifically helping us to identify the 2nd object that transits above Mercury -- in the opposite direction.
Note the transit of the 2nd object during this period is from left-to-right from 9:30 to 3:30, while Mercury's transit is horizontal from right-to-left.
13 DEC SOHO: [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]
25 DEC SOHO: [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]
31 Dec SOHO: [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]
What is the second object?
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| Oxygen
User ID: 300487
1/2/2008 7:17 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
That's easy --> Venus |
| CO SKY WATCHER
User ID: 252847
1/2/2008 7:23 PM
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Anyone else ready for Nancy to start a new thread, and delete all these clowns? She has to much to offer, along with so many others, but no one can make any headway with these punks taking jabs at every post. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160058
Their shift is over for the time being, and they have successfully helped us all realize we are just paranoid or might want to use out brains and figure out whatever TPTB want us to miss or ignore...and hijack the thread away from the open minded ones here. Notice how every post with a thought outside of the typical excuse, oh it's a star or it's a flare or it's a lens flare of the LASCO camera, is all crazy!? They try and try to get this thread off track...but still no sucess. Guess they will have to resort to shutting down the SOHO and LASCO sites temporarily until the 'objects' pass-I'm sure they are thinking that now...
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
-FOX MULDER, THE 'X' FILES
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown...Genesis 6:4 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 122589
1/2/2008 7:29 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
This actually does little to back up the many assertions on your list. How about Pluto's orbit? How about my questions on the large gas planets' orbits you claimed are somehow out of whack?
do you actually believe plutos orbit is comparable to the rest of the planets? Any 1st grader knows it has a much more extreme in angle and is much more eliptical.
1988 The Naval Observatory confirmed distortions in the orbits of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto confirming the existance of a large body roughly 3-4 times the size of earth. Here is a link buddy, and this was the latest release from the Us Naval Observatory on Nov 4 2007. Read it and weep you helpless prick!
[ link to www.springerlink.com]
quoted from this link...
Neptune and Pluto were discovered because of predictions derived from the differences between the observations and ephemerides of Uranus, but Pluto wasn't the predicted planet and the discrepancies still exist. This continuing existence of systematic differences between the observations and ephemerides of Uranus and Neptune has led to predictions of a Planet X. The demise of the dinosaurs and the existence of comets have been cited as additional evidence for another celestial object.
Therefore, possible bodies have been hypothesized in the outer part of the solar system, or out beyond the solar system, including a binary companion, Nemesis. The theory of relativity and the incompleteness of the law of gravity have also been suggested as explanations for the outer planet discrepancies. Predictions of the possible locations of planet X have been made, with rather large uncertainties, and selected searches of some regions have yielded nothing. IRAS and Pioneer observations exist as additional sources of useful observational data.
There is nothing in that article or its summation that confirms the existance of another large body in the Solar System affecting Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 282813
1/2/2008 7:32 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
That's easy --> Venus Quoting: Oxygen 300487
Oxygen,
Thanks, but not even close. Check an orbit diagram.
The last time that SOHO captured Venus was back in August.
. 09 August 2007 SOHO C3: [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]
Seriously, though ... the 2nd object in the SOHO C3 images from 13 Dec to 31 Dec is puzzling.
I hope you continue to think about what it is and is not (i.e. another planet).
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| SkyWatcher
User ID: 333060
1/2/2008 7:51 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
Amen to thatAnyone else ready for Nancy to start a new thread, and delete all these clowns? She has to much to offer, along with so many others, but no one can make any headway with these punks taking jabs at every post. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160058
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User ID: 349161
1/2/2008 7:56 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
what are the white dots going from left to right? |
| CaptiveRiticuli
User ID: 349162
1/2/2008 8:01 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
well now iv been follwing this whole situation and while i dont know a huge amount about astronomy nor astrophyics i have studied the pictures and it is clear that the sun has been impacted by sumthing huge. The impact is near on the size of a planet but i dont have any idea what the object which is seen orbiting the sun could be. Iv not read to much into persons comments here and while there are sum interesting comments from people who seem clued up on matters its difficult to assertain what is correct and what isnt, after all no1 here can really provide there credentials so we just read the words and decide from there. But i do get very fed up with all the arguing and such over each persons comments, our civilisation could be coming to a close at anytime soon so why not agree to disagree or sumthing. Not a great deal else to say apart from il be keeping an eye on things in this feild and hoping that things turn out ok otherwise maybe its time to die. I just worry 4 all the little animals who are trully innocent and i have even come to learn lately that even cakes have souls. We the people tho are expendable or so it would seem thank u very much mr illuminati. See u in the next life my people, be kind.
its such that i dont find contemplation a gender of insanity but simply put i do wonder. |
| Ice
User ID: 8768
1/2/2008 8:09 PM
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First of all this is a open forum so you get what you get!
Second is that we are talking about something that is based on info that is hard to nail down exact data. I have said since the beginning that if the object is not Mercury we have a major problem. After reading the last 10 pages posted since I have gone to work I still do not see how Mercury has been proved.
I have been able to blow up object and slow down video to see major CCW spin with debris field. This causes me concern until I saw some of this look from a 06 transion file showing Mercury do some of the same thing except Mercury looked so much smaller. I am sure this is where those of you that have a true concern of what this object might be vs a life is good and all is normal tude!
I want everything to be fine but I still have a gut check on saying this object was Mercury. Believe me I want it to be. I guess we need the second hammer to fall and if this thing is not Mercury the second hammer has got to fall soon. I just hope a image slips through again.
ice
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 282813
1/2/2008 8:20 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
First of all this is a open forum so you get what you get!
Second is that we are talking about something that is based on info that is hard to nail down exact data. I have said since the beginning that if the object is not Mercury we have a major problem. After reading the last 10 pages posted since I have gone to work I still do not see how Mercury has been proved.
I have been able to blow up object and slow down video to see major CCW spin with debris field. This causes me concern until I saw some of this look from a 06 transion file showing Mercury do some of the same thing except Mercury looked so much smaller. I am sure this is where those of you that have a true concern of what this object might be vs a life is good and all is normal tude!
I want everything to be fine but I still have a gut check on saying this object was Mercury. Believe me I want it to be. I guess we need the second hammer to fall and if this thing is not Mercury the second hammer has got to fall soon. I just hope a image slips through again.
ice Quoting: Ice
Ice,
The STEREO images for sure show that it's Mercury.
The SOHO C3 images from 13 Dec to 31 Dec, however, show a second object transitting above Mercury -- in the opposite direction.
Have you looked at the SOHO C3 images for the period between 13 Dec and 31 Dec?
What is the second object that transits diagonally from approximately 9:30 to approximately 3:30?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 342363
1/2/2008 8:24 PM | | Re: Breaking *** NASA ** Sunspot C-class explosion , shows a strange object orbiting the Sun | Quote |
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