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THE TRUE DEBATE OF OUR TIME : INDIVIDUALISM vs COLLECTIVISM

 
Ladyliberty
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THE TRUE DEBATE OF OUR TIME : INDIVIDUALISM vs COLLECTIVISM
This Presidential election centers on the central issue of THE TRUE DEBATE OF OUR TIME : INDIVIDUALISM vs COLLECTIVISM !


Here is what they did NOT teach you in school.....THIS you need to discern for yourself!!!!


INTRO : [link to www.youtube.com] INTRO

PART 1 : [link to www.youtube.com] THE NATURE AND ORIGIN OF HUMAN RIGHTS

PART 2 : [link to www.youtube.com] GROUP SUPREMACY

PART 3 : [link to www.youtube.com] COERCION vs FREEDOM

PART 4: [link to www.youtube.com] EQUALITY AND INEQUALITY UNDER THE LAW

PART 5 : [link to www.youtube.com] PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
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Hillary is a COLLECTIVIST.


do not vote for that socialist c*#t.
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militia
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If you don't fear death, you will be a free man for the rest of your life.
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The whole 'Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death' Individualism stchik is the drive to continue doing what you always been doing, and that is, your rape and plunder of your neighbors for your profit.

The collective thinking that will eliminate you swine, is the necessary thinking that a future generation will need to survive, and that includes the whole race.

So, we will indeed give you death, death of your selfish self, your selfish philosophy and your selfish plunder.
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The whole 'Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death' Individualism stchik is the drive to continue doing what you always been doing, and that is, your rape and plunder of your neighbors for your profit.

The collective thinking that will eliminate you swine, is the necessary thinking that a future generation will need to survive, and that includes the whole race.

So, we will indeed give you death, death of your selfish self, your selfish philosophy and your selfish plunder.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 142537

fuck off you socialist pig.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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142537,

It appears that you did not watch the videos.

Or ,perhaps ,you did not understand the videos.
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142537,

It appears that you did not watch the videos.

Or ,perhaps ,you did not understand the videos.
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I did not watch the videos...nor will I.
Sky441

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To be an individualist is to be a collectivist. To be a collectivist is to be an individualist. To see in black and white is to be colorblind; don't buy into this polarity bullshit.
Sky441

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"How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress." - Niels Bohr
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Interesting video. Humans aren't pure collective organisms like ants and we aren't rugged individualists like tigers. We're monkeys with no hair and screwed up hips. We're weak alone yet at the same time we're smart enough and different enough from eachother to never think like a hivemind does.

So, we're stuck muddling along a centrist course.
Rarrgh!
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Let go of my ego.
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From the very beginning, notice those fellas at Nicea decided it best to skip this part when putting together the Bible.

1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.
2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.
3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

(Moses 4:1-4)

(Satan wanted to redeem all mankind, by forcing them to do good and taking the glory for himself. Jesus' plan was to give mankind free agency and to be their redeemer, and give the glory to God the Father. Satan's plan was rejected, he rebelled, and he was cast out of heaven.)
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I like the Canadian process : a little of both !!

hf
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(Satan wanted to redeem all mankind, by forcing them to do good and taking the glory for himself. Jesus' plan was to give mankind free agency and to be their redeemer, and give the glory to God the Father. Satan's plan was rejected, he rebelled, and he was cast out of heaven.)
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So it's a bloody soap opera up there too is it? He sure made us in his image alright... Damn looks like we got the wrong God.
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I think there are things that we can do collectively and commonly - for the common good - as our founding fathers used to call it. Such things as roads and bridges and utilities and even the building of schools and hospitals are for the common good and should be supported collectively as should the national defense and transportation systems.

Beyond that, tho, I think anything that falls into the personal category like health insurance, education, and life choices are much better done individually.

We can support the common good with such things as the free lunch program for poverty level children and medicare for the elderly and medicaid for the poor without sacrificing the individuality of everyone.

I too see Hiliary Clinton as a socialist/collectivist who would impose her choices on the rest of us along with a huge tax bill with all the benefits she wants to provide and she keeps say they will be free. They are not free if the money for them comes out of the wallets of everyone who has a job.

Unfortunately, this far left perspective seems all too prevalent amongs the Democrats and they get outraged at anyone who questions the wisdom of it or even their motives.

Our problem is not that we have a conflict between the common good and the individual good. Our problem is that our federal government has taken it upon itself to create a massive government with departments and agencies that duplicate each other and in many cases, are in charge of doing something that does not need doing at the federal level. There is also the problem of agencies that no one seems to know just what they do and have no measureable benefits for the rest of us.

They just refuse to simplify and cut out these expensive agencies just as the DC crowd refuses to give up their expensive earmarks for local projects - usually given to their pals and relatives - that benefit few people.

And even tho the Democrats promised they would eliminate these things, even Hiliary Clinton go in on the act with her budget item of a Woodstock Museum - as if anyone needs that. If that local economy wants that Museum, perhaps they should start raising the money for it from all the rich and famous rock musicians in the country. Just as in all the other pork barrel projects, there is no need for the rest of us to pay for such things.

It would have been different if what she asked for was money to repair some of the NY bridges but not for something that stupid.

And all of them, both Republicans and Democrats did it and we ended up with a budge of over 3000 pages.

So what we really need to do is have a national discussion and even a referendum on just what is in the common good and what the federal government should be about.
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bump
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My theory is that the US military complex is the primary collectivist institution in the USA, and ironically, it's run by private concerns.

There's a huge national security, intelligence, and mind-control infrastructure run by a conglomeration of private businessman who regard the national treasury,the foreign and domestic policy as their domain, utilizing it for self enrichment.
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bump
into it now....looks good
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You're right. It is the true debate of our time. I used
to think I was alone thinking that. Now there are more
seeing thru the fog.

Collectivism is the world's cesspool of the mediocre
and The Borg Mentality.

To advance civilization requires that each one of us need to
be free to follow our own dreams.

The Other Way leads to a Dark Age.

Looks we're right on the edge.

Collectivism leads to death:

[link to www.hawaii.edu]
to herd or not to herd
[link to djomama.blogspot.com]
Satiric Axiom

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To be an individualist is to be a collectivist. To be a collectivist is to be an individualist. To see in black and white is to be colorblind; don't buy into this polarity bullshit.
 Quoting: Sky441



The War on the ground is very real.

Semantics can be amusing yet misleading.
"It isn't about what you & I think, it's about what is."
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we are born individuals
whether we unite with others should be our choice
and never forced on us
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To understand "collectivism", one has
to understand its origin.

One has to go back some 3500 or more years
to the ancient land of Persia, where the
people who lived near the Persian Gulf and
the Mediterranean Sea were predators/pirates
preying upon the neighboring people. Their
pirate ships were propelled by small sails,
but mostly by slave oarsmen.

A Persian king by the name of Hummarabi
(around 1850 BC) was converted by "preachers"
of Melchizedek' philosophy, the priest of
Salem (Jerusalem) who converted Abraham a 100
years earlier from his Chaldean (Persian)
elitist philosophy. Hummarabi edicted a code
of laws, based upon his newly learned philosophy. And,
apparently among these was the forbidding
of slavery.

So, the pirate faction, to maintain their
livlihood, came up with a solution to
maintain their slave crewmembers - they
made them "body parts (members) of the
ship. And, as a grouping as "crew", they
were then forced to be a "team". Hearing
any words that sound familiar?

Around 1500 BC, a city state was built up at
Babylon in Persia by Chaldean priests who had
migrated from Egypt after the pole shift,
(where they had ruled as elite/royalty for
centuries (not the priests, of course, but
the philosophic organization). That lasted
for some 1,000 years, and then they were
again forced to move, and they ended up
in the 7 hills of the Etruskan lands amd
established Rome (around 300 BC).

It was there that modern "collectivism"
originated. The Red Robe Priests, headed
by the chief priest, the Pontifex Maximus,
the Emperor of Rome, made all human
institutions into "make-believe ships
at sea", and called them incorporations
or corporate bodies.

They used the philosophy of their ancient
Persian ancestors in their making the
ship the object, and the human (crew)members
as subject slaves of the ship, or make-believe
ship. As a "crew", the "team" was formed.
The humans function as dispensable and
replacable body parts of the tean, the ship.
Thus, we have the basic philosophic origin
of "collectivism".

Remember, all crew or team members are
equal, but some are more equal than others.
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Bump,Bumpity,Bump, Bump
kalamity kool

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Isn't it another version of modernism vs postmodernism?

Scary to see in action though, where will the giant leaps forward come from when we are all subsumed into an oozy collective pool?
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Bump Bump!
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I think this is a false debate.

Sometimes collectivism is appropriate, as when citizens of a city vote to raise bond money to build a hospital.

Sometimes individualism is appropriate, as when you plant a garden or improve your property.

To present this in such a way is really over-simplifying the issue.

That's the true debate, between those of us who don't see the world as "black and white" and those of us who do.
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true collectivism takes the choice out of it
voting is not even a part of the process
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btt...
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I think this is a false debate.

Sometimes collectivism is appropriate, as when citizens of a city vote to raise bond money to build a hospital.

Sometimes individualism is appropriate, as when you plant a garden or improve your property.

To present this in such a way is really over-simplifying the issue.

That's the true debate, between those of us who don't see the world as "black and white" and those of us who do.
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I think you are a false American....

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