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[link to www.spacedaily.com]
Arecibo Observatory Spies An Asteroid Close To The Sun
Source: Arecibo/Cornell.
by Staff Writers
Ithaca NY (SPX) Jan 02, 2008
The paint is dry and it's time for science: After receiving its first fresh, full coat of paint in more than 40 years, Cornell University's Arecibo Observatory in Arecibo, Puerto Rico - the scientific actor with a title role in the James Bond film "Goldeneye" - made its first observation in more than six-months at 6:36 a.m. Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007. The Arecibo telescope spied an asteroid called 3200 Phaethon.
The asteroid - if it is one - travels close to the sun. But here's the catch: Astronomers suspect that Phaethon may actually be a comet and a possible parent of the Geminid meteor shower, which annually causes many streams of shooting stars between now and Christmas.
Phaethon and other asteroids that have trajectories strongly affected by sunlight, sun shape and general relativity effects are being studied by Jean-Luc Margot, Cornell assistant professor of astronomy and Jon Giorgini, of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.. Mike Nolan, an Arecibo staff scientist, conducted the observation.
Asteroid orbits are influenced by the absorption and reemission of solar energy - or the so-called Yarkovsky effect.
These changes to the asteroidal motion will be quantified with the Arecibo radar measurements to understand the properties of near-Earth asteroids. This is one of dozens of projects now underway at the observatory.
Paintbrushes down: The six-month project - the first time the Arecibo platform and focal-point structure had received a thorough painting - ended in November of this year. Since then a skeletal crew of observatory staff worked around the clock to bring the radio telescope and the planetary radar back to astronomical life.
Now, the observatory is fully functional, as all motion, electronic, transmitting and receiving, and computing systems are operating.
"It is ready to return to the task of carrying out the scientific observations for the many thousands of hours of approved research programs that will keep the telescope very busy for the next several years," said Robert Brown, director of the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center, a national research center operated by under a cooperative agreement with the National Science Foundation.
As part of Arecibo's history, the observatory detected the first pulsar in a binary system in 1974, which lead to confirmation of Einstein's theory of general relativity and a Nobel Prize for astronomers Russell Hulse and Joseph Taylor in 1993.
Also, Arecibo has provided Hollywood filmmakers with a unique backdrop, as it was featured in the James Bond film "Goldeneye" and in the film "Contact," which was based on a novel by the late Cornell astronomy professor Carl Sagan. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 11:38 AM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Thread title is wrong. Phaeton is not a "new" asteroid; it was discovered in 1983. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 103356 (OP)
1/3/2008 12:10 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Thread title is wrong. Phaeton is not a "new" asteroid; it was discovered in 1983. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 122589
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:18 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Thread title is wrong. Phaeton is not a "new" asteroid; it was discovered in 1983. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 122589
this one is called "3200 Phaethon" |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:21 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
From Wiki:
In Greek mythology, Phaëton or Phaethon (Greek: Φαέθων "shining") was the son of Helios (Phoebus, the "shining one", an epithet later assumed by Apollo), or of Clymenus by Merope or Clymene.
In an alternate genealogy, Eos bore Cephalus a son, named Phaëthon but Aphrodite stole him away while he was no more than a child, to be the night-watchman at her most sacred shrines. The Cretans called him Adymus, by which they meant the morning and evening star (Hesiod, Theogony, 986; Solinus, xi:9; Nonnus, Dionysiaca, xi:131 and xii:217).
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Phaeton (in myth)
The myth stated that Phaeton bragged to his friends that his father was the sun-god. His friends refused to believe him and so Phaeton went to his father Helios, who swore by the river Styx to give Phaeton anything he should ask for in order to prove his divine paternity. Phaeton wanted to drive his chariot (the sun) for a day. Though Helios tried to talk him out of it, Phaeton was adamant. When the day came, Phaeton panicked and lost control of the mean horses that drew the chariot. First it veered too high, so that the earth grew chill. Then it dipped too close, and the vegetation dried and burned. He accidentally turned most of Africa into desert; burning the skin of the Ethiopians black. Eventually, Zeus was forced to intervene by striking the runaway chariot with a lightning bolt to stop it, and Phaëthon plunged into the river Eridanos. His sisters the Heliades grieved so much they were turned into poplar trees that weep golden amber.
This story has given rise to two latter-day meanings of "phaeton": one who drives a chariot or coach, especially at a reckless or dangerous speed, and one that would or may set the world on fire. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:25 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Thread title is wrong. Phaeton is not a "new" asteroid; it was discovered in 1983.
this one is called "3200 Phaethon" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260371
He/she is right. It is not a "new" asteroid. It was discovered in 1983. However, this does not change the fact that this could very well be the mystery object that everyone has been raving about.
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:26 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
This can not be true. It is planet X! |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Zetas wrong again. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:47 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Phaethon will approach to 18.1 Gm on December 10, 2007. It draws nearer in 2017, 2050, 2060, and closer still on December 14, 2093, passing within 0.0198 AU (3.0 Gm). |
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<October>
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1/3/2008 12:49 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:49 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:51 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
meteor showers are pieces as large as a piece of sand. do they show up? |
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T.C 
Just another conspiracy nut
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1/3/2008 12:53 PM
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Nice find OP.
Take your dogma and shove it!
Life is not about what happens to you, it's about how you deal with it. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:57 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
1983 What a convenient year for discoveries...to wit: Washington Post Headlines...new planet discovered.
Oh well...NASA is trying at least to connect the dots long covered up.
Besides, anyone discerne exactly HOW FAR or CLOSE to the Sun it really gets...and aren't Comets "dirty ice balls" that would melt if close to the Sun?
Oh my...what to believe?
A close friend of mine used to say, and still does say this: Are you gonna believe me, or your own lying eyes! |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 12:58 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
hmm, first nasa says it's got some craft "doing laps around the sun", and now this. curiouser and curiouser. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 1:00 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
PLEASE, ZETAS AND WANNAS BE : DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD !!
DO NOT , DO NOT , DO NOT !!
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<October>
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1/3/2008 1:06 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.
Makes sense...
Does anybody know?
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 1:15 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
Exactly.It's too big to be an asteroid. |
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Oxygen
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1/3/2008 1:19 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
May I ask why you still call it a "mystery object"?
It is MERCURY and more than one sources can verify it. I don't understand why this issue is still an issue ... |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 1:20 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
It's interesting that 3200_Phaeton is a modern name for a contemporary discovery. The other Phaeton is known throughout ancient Greek myth. Perhaps the discoverers were trying to get us to pay better attention? Who knows? |
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89446
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1/3/2008 1:23 PM
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Not interesting. |
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SolarMax
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1/3/2008 1:56 PM
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yawwwwn |
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User # 78/68
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1/3/2008 2:00 PM
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NASA's got it's panties in a wad lately over things seen near the Sun ... Hmmmmm!
I wonder how long it will take for NASA's shill MeNow to show up and spin this into a Nancy thread? |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 2:05 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
I love how when people don't agree with Nancy’s nonsense they are automatically called a shill. |
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<October>
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1/3/2008 2:08 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
NASA's got it's panties in a wad lately over things seen near the Sun ... Hmmmmm!
I wonder how long it will take for NASA's shill MeNow to show up and spin this into a Nancy thread? Quoting: User # 78/68
Now isn't that just what you're doing...?
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 2:26 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
Exactly.It's too big to be an asteroid.
Exactly! It's too big to be Mercury let alone an asteroid/comet!
The object was close enough to the sun for the c-Flare to illuminate it's left side.
Whatever the object was it was:
a) relatively close to SOL
b) was extremely large - perhaps as large/larger than jupiter
c) appears to have traveled at a varied rate of velocity. |
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 2:26 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Take me for example, I didn't say that I agree with Nancy (I didn't say that I disagree either) because I'm open for all kind of theories.
...but I do say that you shouldn't trust the "mainstream" including NASA.
There is a difference between the real truth and what they 'present' to the masses as "the truth".
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Anonymous Coward
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1/3/2008 2:45 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
Yes, this could be 3200 Phaethon. Its orbit diagram indicates its close to the Earth-Sun line of sight and will remain so for a few weeks
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] |
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MJ
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1/3/2008 2:49 PM | | Re: Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest??? | Quote |
It does not explain how there are multiple objects, or how it moves from left to right
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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MJ
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1/3/2008 2:50 PM | |
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