Arecibo Spies New Asteroid Near Sun - Could This Be Our Mystery Guest???

1983 What a convenient year for discoveries...to wit: Washington Post Headlines...new planet discovered.

Oh well...NASA is trying at least to connect the dots long covered up.

Besides, anyone discerne exactly HOW FAR or CLOSE to the Sun it really gets...and aren't Comets "dirty ice balls" that would melt if close to the Sun?

Oh my...what to believe?

A close friend of mine used to say, and still does say this: Are you gonna believe me, or your own lying eyes!

According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?



[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.

Yes, this could be 3200 Phaethon. Its orbit diagram indicates its close to the Earth-Sun line of sight and will remain so for a few weeks
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
Great link. By looking at the image linked below, you will see that on Dec. 31, 2007, 3200 Phaethon was more so in the line of sight than Mercury.
[link to img87.imageshack.us]

Yes, this could be 3200 Phaethon. Its orbit diagram indicates its close to the Earth-Sun line of sight and will remain so for a few weeks
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Great link. By looking at the image linked below, you will see that on Dec. 31, 2007, 3200 Phaethon was more so in the line of sight than Mercury.

[link to img87.imageshack.us]

Some of you are referring to the size of the object. How can you tell that the object is bigger than Jupiter? You have to take into account the zoom capability of the Stereo telescope. If they are zoomed in on the Sun and an object passes through the field of view, it will appear larger than it really is. You also have to take into account the fact that the Sun is illuminating the object as well which makes it easier to see. IMO, the "Mystery Object" is 3200 Phaethon.

Yes, this could be 3200 Phaethon. Its orbit diagram indicates its close to the Earth-Sun line of sight and will remain so for a few weeks
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
Great link. By looking at the image linked below, you will see that on Dec. 31, 2007, 3200 Phaethon was more so in the line of sight than Mercury.
[link to img87.imageshack.us]

According to the predicted orbit
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
the asteroid traveled all the distance between Venus' and Mercury's orbits from dec/22 to jan/03.

The object spotted close to the Sun by SOHO showed no variable size during this period, only a movement from left to right, with steady brightness all the time.

This probably indicates that the object is not the 3200 Phaeton asteroid, which would show an evident decrease in size if spotted by SOHO between dec/22 and jan/03.

1983 What a convenient year for discoveries...to wit: Washington Post Headlines...new planet discovered.

Oh well...NASA is trying at least to connect the dots long covered up.

Besides, anyone discerne exactly HOW FAR or CLOSE to the Sun it really gets...and aren't Comets "dirty ice balls" that would melt if close to the Sun?

Oh my...what to believe?

A close friend of mine used to say, and still does say this: Are you gonna believe me, or your own lying eyes!


By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

"If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

"This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time."

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheitbelow zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.

"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can."

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain. It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

"I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe before," Neugebauer said.

"If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how the universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite has pinpointed its position.

(ITEM 123)December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition
(ITEM 127)The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles.

Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not include subsequent corrections.

Yes, this could be 3200 Phaethon. Its orbit diagram indicates its close to the Earth-Sun line of sight and will remain so for a few weeks
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Great link. By looking at the image linked below, you will see that on Dec. 31, 2007, 3200 Phaethon was more so in the line of sight than Mercury.

[link to img87.imageshack.us]

Some of you are referring to the size of the object. How can you tell that the object is bigger than Jupiter? You have to take into account the zoom capability of the Stereo telescope. If they are zoomed in on the Sun and an object passes through the field of view, it will appear larger than it really is. You also have to take into account the fact that the Sun is illuminating the object as well which makes it easier to see. IMO, the "Mystery Object" is 3200 Phaethon.



How about looking at the original video and speaking with some sense before shouting your "expert" opinion. We have enough disinfo.

The original object was on the FAR side of the Sun...Farther away from us than the Sun...yet could still be seen (wouldn't be the case for about any asteroid, especially one only 5km). Zoom capability or not, it cant zoom in on the "object" while not zooming in on the Sun, so if we know the abject is farther than the Sun (which is OBVIOUS from the light reflection properties of the object as it follows its entire orbit) than we can estimate at least to a certain degree it's size by comparison to the Sun. We can at least say for sure, it has to be planet sized or the Mercury debate would have been mute.

As for illuminating the object, there is all kinds of stuff floating in space. Asteroids, etc. All of it reflects the sun, but if your theory we're right, we wouldn't be able to have the argument as daily there would be some mystery object around the Sun. Next time make an educated hypothesis rather than being spoon fed your answers from what you heard on the news.

According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?



[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.


The object on the stereo telescope that has yet to have any reasonable explanation, was sighted while in orbit farther away than the Sun, therefore...no...of course this couldn't be explained by a 5kn asteroid...just as it couldn't be explained by a 3.4km asteroid two days ago, or a NASA craft as all the disinfo said.

If Nasa never meant for the objects around the Sun to be discovered then we'd have to assume they've attempted to hide the objects from view.

Too bad I don't have the time or a program to sift though all the chem trail posts here on GLP and the net and try to find correlations when many people reported heavy chem trials from various cities at the same time.

We could then look at the areas of space that those cities should have been able to see on a clear day and we'd have possible locations for this/these objects.

I mean if I were in charge of Nasa and was trying to hide a heavenly body this big and had computers that could tell me which areas of the planet could visibly see the heavenly body and when, I'd just make the skies real cloudy that day in those areas.

I'm not saying this is whats happening, but if Nasa was trying to hide it, wouldn't this be the best way?

According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?



[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.


The object on the stereo telescope that has yet to have any reasonable explanation, was sighted while in orbit farther away than the Sun, therefore...no...of course this couldn't be explained by a 5kn asteroid...just as it couldn't be explained by a 3.4km asteroid two days ago, or a NASA craft as all the disinfo said.

Oh, your "expertise" really shines through on this one. No reasonable explanation???? Use your on advice and look at the older Stereo vids. It is clearly Mercury once you research how Stereo operates and further investigate it's images.

Jeez, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Buh Bye.

This can not be true. It is planet X!

This can not be true. It is planet X!

NO, IT'S NOT PLANET X. I BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING ELSE.

WELL OFFICIALY THEY GAVE US ASTEROID OR COMET.
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"NO NO NO NO, THAT'S NOT UFO, IT IS WEATHER BALOON!"

According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.


The object on the stereo telescope that has yet to have any reasonable explanation, was sighted while in orbit farther away than the Sun, therefore...no...of course this couldn't be explained by a 5kn asteroid...just as it couldn't be explained by a 3.4km asteroid two days ago, or a NASA craft as all the disinfo said.

Oh, your "expertise" really shines through on this one. No reasonable explanation???? Use your on advice and look at the older Stereo vids. It is clearly Mercury once you research how Stereo operates and further investigate it's images.

Jeez, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Buh Bye.

Alright...now to add some thought to that

Ever seen Mercury on a vid?
Really?

How about a vid of it transiting the Sun? That would be when it is between us and the Sun...hence, closer to us than the Sun. If not, I suggest you watch one. Then look again at Stereo...

Now explain to me why the object in Stereo (which is obviously on the OPPOSITE side of the Sun from us...FARTHER AWAY) is exponentially larger than any other representation of Mercury in relation to the Sun.

I'm tired of arguing the same arguments...

You're responses lack independent thought...
You are responding not based on data, but on someone else's "expertise". Just because someone told you doesn't mean they told you the truth.

"While Earth is in this trapped orbit position, we, the Zetas, and other benign aliens have been allowed to tilt the Earth forward and back, or bob her higher or lower in the Ecliptic, to simulate the seasons."

Fuckin hilarious. And to think some drooling idiots fall for this garbage.

According to Wikipedia, Phaethon is only 5.1 km in diameter. Would something that small show up so large in SOHO's images?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think that would depend on how close it was as it passed the stereo telescope.


The object on the stereo telescope that has yet to have any reasonable explanation, was sighted while in orbit farther away than the Sun, therefore...no...of course this couldn't be explained by a 5kn asteroid...just as it couldn't be explained by a 3.4km asteroid two days ago, or a NASA craft as all the disinfo said.

Oh, your "expertise" really shines through on this one. No reasonable explanation???? Use your on advice and look at the older Stereo vids. It is clearly Mercury once you research how Stereo operates and further investigate it's images.

Jeez, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Buh Bye.

Alright...now to add some thought to that

Ever seen Mercury on a vid?
Really?

How about a vid of it transiting the Sun? That would be when it is between us and the Sun...hence, closer to us than the Sun. If not, I suggest you watch one. Then look again at Stereo...

Now explain to me why the object in Stereo (which is obviously on the OPPOSITE side of the Sun from us...FARTHER AWAY) is exponentially larger than any other representation of Mercury in relation to the Sun.

I'm tired of arguing the same arguments...

You're responses lack independent thought...
You are responding not based on data, but on someone else's "expertise". Just because someone told you doesn't mean they told you the truth.

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Rerun,

I see you are still concerned about the apparent size of Mercury in the STEREO A COR2 images from mid Dec.

If you compare SOHO C3 videos for 11 DEC and 18 OCT, you'll see that Mercury appears quite large when BEHIND Sol (11 DEC), but quite small when in FRONT of Sol (18 OCT).
That's the nature of the cameras and reflected light.


BIG Mercury -- BEHIND Sol
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SOHO C3 11 DEC 07:

--> [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


SMALL Mercury -- In FRONT of Sol
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SOHO C3 18 OCT 07:

--> [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


Is that better?

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so let me get this clear NASA has more than one explanation given for the object and they are all wrong !?

so NASA does not know what it is

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Rerun,

I see you are still concerned about the apparent size of Mercury in the STEREO A COR2 images from mid Dec.

If you compare SOHO C3 videos for 11 DEC and 18 OCT, you'll see that Mercury appears quite large when BEHIND Sol (11 DEC), but quite small when in FRONT of Sol (18 OCT).
That's the nature of the cameras and reflected light.


BIG Mercury -- BEHIND Sol
==========================
SOHO C3 11 DEC 07:

--> [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


SMALL Mercury -- In FRONT of Sol
================================
SOHO C3 18 OCT 07:

--> [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]


Is that better?

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Don't forget to mention the zoom effect. You are citing C3 images that are not zoomed in like the C2 or Stereo's COR 2. This zoom effect will make them appear even larger in retrospect.

Check this new image out:


[link to profile.imageshack.us]

posted on this thread [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

By Co Sky Watcher...


How are they going to explain that one... look at about 6pm

Nancy is going to have a field day with this one...haha

Thread title is wrong. Phaeton is not a "new" asteroid; it was discovered in 1983.

this one is called "3200 Phaethon"

He/she is right. It is not a "new" asteroid. It was discovered in 1983. However, this does not change the fact that this could very well be the mystery object that everyone has been raving about.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Earth is about to pass through a debris stream from near-Earth asteroid 2003 EH1....

this is tonight


Forecasters expect a brief but intense peak of 50+ meteors per hour over Earth's northern hemisphere sometime between 0200 UTC and 0700 UTC on Friday morning, Jan. 4th. (Subtract 5 hours to convert UTC to EST.) The timing favors observers in the eastern USA, Europe and western parts of Asia....

[link to www.spaceweather.com]