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Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore

 
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Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
I still agree with a lot of points Ron Paul makes. Like state rights, ending the war, no nation building, end of the irs, legalizing drugs, restoring civil liberties and individual rights, and an overall smaller government to name a few.

But there are some things that bother me about a President Paul

1. A lot of his promises really amount to the promises a 7th grader makes while running for class president. Like no more homework, and free soda in the cafeteria and you only have to got to school 3 days a week. They all sound good and will make him somewhat popular, but in reality he wouldn't have the power to do most of them.

When asked a question from reporters about most of his policies he usually says "it's up to congress to decide" or "it's up to the states". Well with little influence in the Republican and Democratic parties he's going to have a hard time selling any of his radical policies to congressmen and senators who are mostly already bought off by special interest groups.

The only promise that he's making now that will probably happen is the end of the Iraq war, since the ruling democratic party is already for that.

2. With all his talk about freedom he supports a ban on abortion. I too believe life begins at conception, but in the name of American freedom I think every women should have the right to decide for herself. Though I'm not religious I do feel that humans posses an eternal soul. And these souls are better off being born to parents who really want them and will love them. The last thing this world needs is more unwanted children who grow up with all kinds of psychological problems due to the lack of love and support of a mother and father. Then later turn out to be murderers thieves, pedophiles, and rapists.

3. He is also against gay marriage. When asked about a constitutional ban he says that we already know that marriage is between a man a women as defined by the dictionary. For your reference I pasted Websters definition of marriage which does include people who are the same sex marrying each other.



Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century

1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>


4. I support state rights when it comes to laws past by the state to protect individual rights. Like the medicinal marijuana laws past by several states, which are not recognized by the federal government. If he were to allow states to ban same sex marriage and end abortion rights then he would be hypocrite. Or I guess he only believes in individual rights as long as they are inline with his beliefs.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


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 Quoting: Mister Obvious

Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.
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Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


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lol


Hey OP, I don't even ban Hillary supporters, and that's really tough for me!
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Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


sbus

lol


Hey OP, I don't even ban Hillary supporters, and that's really tough for me!
 Quoting: Evil Twin

I suppose. It just seems people are get kind of hostile when anyone has something negative to say about Ron Paul. Even if its true.. kind of like Bush supporters.
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You have some good points, I heard when they legalized abortion in New York crime went waaaaaay down there because the criminals were never born. I think we should give out free tube ties and vasectomies too. Hell I'll do it myself, just get me some scissors and a lot of tissues.
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Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

 Quoting: Mister Obvious



Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.
 Quoting: Reece2076

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century
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You have some good points, I heard when they legalized abortion in New York crime went waaaaaay down there because the criminals were never born. I think we should give out free tube ties and vasectomies too. Hell I'll do it myself, just get me some scissors and a lot of tissues.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243146

I didn't say all criminals where aborted. Or that all unwanted pregnancies were terminated. But certainly if a mother really wants to kill her baby and only has it because she is forced to does not benefit anyone..not the mother the child or society.
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Actually, he has said that he would leave abortion and gay marriage to the states to decide.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.





Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century
 Quoting: SHR


Maybe you should focus on the actual definition of marriage and not the time the word was included in the dictionary. Then maybe you will realize Ron was wrong to say that the dictionary defines marriage as only between a man a woman.
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I've been banned for reasons still unknown to me. So, who knows???

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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


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me too please
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.





Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century


Maybe you should focus on the actual definition of marriage and not the time the word was included in the dictionary. Then maybe you will realize Ron was wrong to say that the dictionary defines marriage as only between a man a woman.
 Quoting: Reece2076


Dude. I think you mean the Bible.
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Actually, he has said that he would leave abortion and gay marriage to the states to decide.
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Yes I know this. But as a supposed champion of freedom and individual rights he should stand up to protect those rights even though they are contrary to his own beliefs. So if the states decided they still want some quasi patriot act to secure their state, he'll just stand back and do nothing?

I also think he's a little to dogmatic and unwavering with his views. Similar to Bush. Though in most cases the states should be left to decide for themselves; when it comes to things that are against the constitution and threaten to take freedom from people I would expect a politician like Ron Paul who is supposed to stand for freedom to protect these rights. But all he will say is "well the states decided that what can I do, I'm just the president".

I think we'd be better off with a democrat who will fight to protect individual rights. Though none will end our illegal tax system, they at least will spend the money on domestic services rather than waste it on military spending.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.





Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century


Maybe you should focus on the actual definition of marriage and not the time the word was included in the dictionary. Then maybe you will realize Ron was wrong to say that the dictionary defines marriage as only between a man a woman.
 Quoting: Reece2076

ummm, I did, the part where it says "the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>" refers to same sex marriage. There was no such thing as "Same sex marriage" in the 14th century, websters was amended very recently, in fact it couldn't have been included in the websters dictionary in the 14th century because that didn't exist until the 19th century and the Oxford dictionary which is tad more extensive defines it as: marriage

• noun 1 the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife. 2 a combination of two or more elements.

— PHRASES marriage of convenience a marriage concluded primarily to achieve a practical purpose.

— ORIGIN Old French mariage, from marier ‘marry’.

So the dictionary definition of marriage is between a man and woman. That doesn't mean dick anyway because it is the legal definition that matters.
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Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.


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lol


Hey OP, I don't even ban Hillary supporters, and that's really tough for me!
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ET, you have actually come across Hillary supporters?? ;)

I haven't met one yet.

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Well with little influence in the Republican and Democratic parties he's going to have a hard time selling any of his radical policies to congressmen and senators who are mostly already bought off by special interest groups.
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Sad but true.... bought off. This is why we must not stop with this campaign. One man cannot just 'do it all'. We must be aware and more involved with races for Senate or House. We can't elect him and leave him to the wolves. It is not just the Presidential office that is supposed to be representing we the people.

The only promise that he's making now that will probably happen is the end of the Iraq war, since the ruling democratic party is already for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349933

Actually he doesn't need the Dem back up. He will be Commander in Cheif of the Military and can make those orders himself. The orders are for movement, not starting another war or anything.

2. With all his talk about freedom he supports a ban on abortion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349933

No ban. In fact he wants to take the Fed out of the decision. I am pro-choice and I am in support of his position. This would be decided by states.


3. He is also against gay marriage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349933

Again, not Fed's decision to make. State level. He can not like it all he wants but realizes that it is not up to him to tell the rest of America to follow what he says. I support this as well.

4. I support state rights when it comes to laws past by the state to protect individual rights. Like the medicinal marijuana laws past by several states, which are not recognized by the federal government. If he were to allow states to ban same sex marriage and end abortion rights then he would be hypocrite. Or I guess he only believes in individual rights as long as they are inline with his beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349933

No, it would not make HIM a hypocrite. He is for staying out of telling you what to do. He wouldn't be 'letting', we would. It would make US hypocrites if we continue to keep our heads buried and let the people at our State government level not represent what we want. Get involved at your state and local levels as well and VOTE. Majority opinion wins. So be it.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.





Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century


Maybe you should focus on the actual definition of marriage and not the time the word was included in the dictionary. Then maybe you will realize Ron was wrong to say that the dictionary defines marriage as only between a man a woman.


Dude. I think you mean the Bible.
 Quoting: C. 347245

He did say marriage is a religious institution but also said that we don't need to amend the constitution to define marriage because its already in the dictionary.


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He did say marriage is a religious institution but also said that we don't need to amend the constitution to define marriage because its already in the dictionary.


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We don't need to amend the constitution, because marriage is not a federal issue.
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2. With all his talk about freedom he supports a ban on abortion.

No ban. In fact he wants to take the Fed out of the decision. I am pro-choice and I am in support of his position. This would be decided by states.

 Quoting: A_G1RL

Nope, if his sanctity of life act was passed, bye bye legal abortion, it would be as if saying the states would be allowed to overide federal law and legalize murder if they felt like it.
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We don't need to amend the constitution, because marriage is not a federal issue.
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It is for some issues, Social Security benefits and Taxation to name 2.
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ET, you have actually come across Hillary supporters?? ;)

I haven't met one yet.

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There's a couple here, lol.
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Ron Paul aids and abets the 9/11 crimes. I call for his prosecution. Ron Paul is a total shill. If he were genuine, he'd expose 9/11.
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2. With all his talk about freedom he supports a ban on abortion.

No ban. In fact he wants to take the Fed out of the decision. I am pro-choice and I am in support of his position. This would be decided by states.


Nope, if his sanctity of life act was passed, bye bye legal abortion, it would be as if saying the states would be allowed to overide federal law and legalize murder if they felt like it.
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Hmmm, forgot about that act. Good point. I will have to look this up and read the wording.

As far as marriage. What people do not understand is if they vote on what they consider a law against same sex marriage, it actually effects couples of oppisite sex but are not 'legally' wed. Ohio tards did this.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Well with little influence in the Republican and Democratic parties he's going to have a hard time selling any of his radical policies to congressmen and senators who are mostly already bought off by special interest groups.

Sad but true.... bought off. This is why we must not stop with this campaign. One man cannot just 'do it all'. We must be aware and more involved with races for Senate or House. We can't elect him and leave him to the wolves. It is not just the Presidential office that is supposed to be representing we the people.


Other than Kucinich and Gravel and possibly a few others there aren't many politicians who think like Ron Paul. He would need 220 like minded individuals in congress and 51 in the senate which isn't likely.


The only promise that he's making now that will probably happen is the end of the Iraq war, since the ruling democratic party is already for that.

Actually he doesn't need the Dem back up. He will be Commander in Cheif of the Military and can make those orders himself. The orders are for movement, not starting another war or anything.

Right


2. With all his talk about freedom he supports a ban on abortion.

No ban. In fact he wants to take the Fed out of the decision. I am pro-choice and I am in support of his position. This would be decided by states.

His inaction is the same as supporting the ban. There are a lot of states that would ban abortion the day he would allow it and he knows that. You may be pro-choice for yourself but what about the minority of individuals who live in those states who don't let religious doctrine dictate what they should do with their body. Who's going to stand up for them?



3. He is also against gay marriage.

Again, not Fed's decision to make. State level. He can not like it all he wants but realizes that it is not up to him to tell the rest of America to follow what he says. I support this as well.

Again we all already know the majority of states want to ban gay marriage. And is inaction is the same as supporting the ban. I guess in my opinion individual rights and freedoms should supersede state rights. And this country needs a candidate who will truly stand up for individual freedom. So after Ron Paul becomes president we won't have 1 government body suppressing individual rights we'll have 50.


4. I support state rights when it comes to laws past by the state to protect individual rights. Like the medicinal marijuana laws past by several states, which are not recognized by the federal government. If he were to allow states to ban same sex marriage and end abortion rights then he would be hypocrite. Or I guess he only believes in individual rights as long as they are inline with his beliefs.

No, it would not make HIM a hypocrite. He is for staying out of telling you what to do. He wouldn't be 'letting', we would. It would make US hypocrites if we continue to keep our heads buried and let the people at our State government level not represent what we want. Get involved at your state and local levels as well and VOTE. Majority opinion wins. So be it.

Again his inaction is the same as allowing it to happen. We need a president who will be proactive in protecting the rights of all individuals. Not one who will just sit back and let every state government suppress the rights of their citizens.

I'm a person who believes freedom means allowing individuals to do what they want, as long as they aren't harming other individuals. But according to Ron Paul individuals should only be allowed as much freedom as their state government allows. I'm also not a religious person, who believes in the freedom of and from religion. But to allow states with large evangelical populations to make laws based on their beliefs would strip freedom from those who don't support the same dogma.
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He did say marriage is a religious institution but also said that we don't need to amend the constitution to define marriage because its already in the dictionary.




We don't need to amend the constitution, because marriage is not a federal issue.
 Quoting: The Good Reverend Roger

It's an American issue. When it comes to the values this country is supposed to be founded on. Its totally hypocritical for people living in this country to talk about we are the land of the free, yet don't want to allow a minority of individuals in the country to have the same freedom to marry who they want.
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Re: Will I get banned from GLP if I'm not for Ron Paul anymore
Unfortunately, you won't get banned.


But you are a total idiot for reasons that have nothing to do with Ron Paul.





Really which reasons have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

Could be something 14th century...hard to say......


Main Entry:
mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century


Maybe you should focus on the actual definition of marriage and not the time the word was included in the dictionary. Then maybe you will realize Ron was wrong to say that the dictionary defines marriage as only between a man a woman.

ummm, I did, the part where it says "the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>" refers to same sex marriage. There was no such thing as "Same sex marriage" in the 14th century, websters was amended very recently, in fact it couldn't have been included in the websters dictionary in the 14th century because that didn't exist until the 19th century and the Oxford dictionary which is tad more extensive defines it as: marriage

• noun 1 the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife. 2 a combination of two or more elements.

— PHRASES marriage of convenience a marriage concluded primarily to achieve a practical purpose.

— ORIGIN Old French mariage, from marier ‘marry’.

So the dictionary definition of marriage is between a man and woman. That doesn't mean dick anyway because it is the legal definition that matters.
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In that case I don't support Ron Paul allowing states to legally strip the rights of individuals because of their dogmatic religious beliefs.
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