eliminating sexual desire?

If you're wanting this because of "spiritual reasons", do NOT castrate yourself! You need the physical bits as they are involved in the generation of sexual energy.

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A healthy sexuality is an important part of spiritual growth. If you stunt your desire, say for instance by taking hormones or drugs, you will stunt yourself. Your sexuality will decline with time naturally, you should not seek to hasten it.

OP... the problem's not with sexual desires, but their repression,

If the religion or spiritual path you're in negates the place that sexual desires have in your psyche, this is wrong in the first place.

If your desires can be expressed or lived without abusing the life or dignity of another person, then go ahead with it and stop blaming yourself for these little "twisted ideas".

If you repress them it's gonna get WORSE. They gonna turn up as real deviance, or more violent, sick impulses.

I'm saying this out of both experience and studies in psychology.

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Seen only one decent answer in seven pages of threads. Nice one Kumar
User ID: 1206808.

If you want to ask about the sublimation of sexual energy you have to ask the yogis. The fundamental of yoga is the path to enlightenment, and the hatha yoga (stretching and breathing exercises) is all about preparing the body for meditation.

And that involves sublimating sexual energy toward the higher energy centres.

Diet is key. To remove passion from your diet...
1. No meat
2. No garlic
3. No onions
4. No booze
5. No drugs.

Exercise.
Headstand is the most powerful exercise you can do. Relax the legs and hips bring your awareness down to the space between your eyebrows. Try and stay up for at least two minutes, it only starts to kick in after 30 seconds or so only effective after that, just relax and keep you focus.

You should leave a full class of yoga feeling balanced and light.

I lived as a yogi for six months and in all that time I had one wank and one wet dream!

Also avoid brazen women. They do not realise the power their cleavages, asses and legs have on a man, and if they are proud of what they have they usually like to flaunt it.

I think of women as the little girls they were and the mothers/grandmothers that they're becoming.

I think about the social influences that result in women feeling that they should play an objectified role, and that men are assumed to view women as such.

I don't want to support sexist propaganda, I don't want to play my social role of stupefied horny man.

I'm not necessarily against sex, what I have a problem with is selfish lust, sex for the sake of personal sensationalism only.

To have sex for eachother, not for yourself, driven by love and companionship, not desire and sensationalism.

That's a fine line to walk though, I wonder if personal sensationalism is unavoidable at times.

Overall, I feel there is sex that respects life and sex that disrespects life.

Pray the Rosary.

Some of my notes.......



(source: [link to www.researchersoftruth.org]

In our Present-Day-Personality, as a man or a woman, we have some energy forces, which we can call animal energies, that keep us slaves of our desire, emotions and so on.

When the I-ness takes charge of the body, a new order of things is inaugurated. The vitality is no longer wasted in mere sense of gratification. Through high and pure vibrations, the consciousness is raised to higher standards.

“Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord” - The Lord is the highest ruling principle of Man.

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Samael Aun Weor on Sexual Magic (Maithuna)

Samael states that sexual magic creates the "seed" of the superior higher (solar) bodies. This can take years to develop and is an absolutely mandatory requirement. The practice does not allow energy to be lost in either individual but each participant must retain that energy for creation of the higher bodies. The great reality cannot penetrate inside of those who do not have Superior Existential Bodies of the being. In India there are three types of tantrism; first, White Tantrism; second, black tantrism; third, grey tantrism. In White Tantrism Sexual Magic is practised without the spilling of semen. In black tantrism there is spilling of semen. In grey tantrism, one spills, and does not spill the semen. Sometimes they spill it; sometimes they do not. This type of tantrism leads the devotee to black tantrism and only strengthens the "I".

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Source: [link to www.newfrontier.com]

'Intercourse could only take place when the woman was sexually excited,after which, depending on the sect, the man would not ejaculate at all or would do so only after the woman had at least one, or preferably many orgasms. The reasoning derived from the Hindu belief that through intercourse, semen -- both male(bindu) and female (amrita), could be concentrated in the body. It was then preferable to redirect the semen through the body rather than outside it as this then appropriated the female energy to the benefit of the male practitioner.'
'For the majority of male practitioners, this union would seem to have been a fleeting thing. More advanced Tantric practitioners sought a more permanent blissful state by employing a more sophisticated strategy. Interestingly, the prescribed rituals were such that the(male) practitioner would eventually be free from dependence on women.'



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TAO / The Tao Bums Website
[link to www.thetaobums.com]

"You don't need to be celibate to retain your jing. They say 100 days for a reason...it ends and you go back to your normal, healthy life. Sex is natural and very good for you. If someone is relying on celibacy to have energy, then they haven't yet accomplished the foundations of the training."

"When you take in the female jing then your penis swells -- it's a real climax with ejaculation -- only it goes up the spine -- not externally -- so the STRESS nervous system is not activated. So when the jing energy is taken in from the female it's actually testosterone! And your voice gets super deep because the testosterone is going up to the brain via the internal climax. That's the jing energy though. The more and more you convert to chi energy the less there is focus on sex.

What happens is that after about 10 mutual climaxes (of male ejaculation equivalent) or 30 female mutual climaxes -- the heart chakra opens and it's REAL LOVE. After that when there is any energy interaction with that female the heart chakra automatically opens up -- so it's like head-over-heels in love type of feeling. This is the oxytocin bond -- super strong. In fact it's also tied in with the electromagnetic chi creation out of the heart energy. So it's like the chick magnet on acid -- like you want to physically be attached to the person and you can not help it -- through the electromagnetic energy. But this connection is also through the shen energy so like entanglement photons -- it's a permanent connection of instantaneous love energy.

This is why the real yogi masters like Milarepa state they are "fed by the dakinis" because as your energy increases then you will actually have love dreams with the goddesses and this will give you internal climaxes but in your sleep -- and so you are getting the jing energy from the astral realm. Also you will have precognitive dreams about the O at a Ds with actual physical females -- and then the actual physical O at a D will happen with some female -- who you first met in your dream earlier. At this point you realize that being awake is also a type of dreaming as well."

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(source: [link to www.lifepositive.com] )

"Tantrics and latter day libertarian seekers insist that without sexual yoga you cannot attain enlightenment. On the other hand, the sadhus and swamis and monks and priests have always argued that without celibacy you may as well forget about spiritual growth.
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The fundamental view pervading the contemporary spiritual scene seems to be that sex, long seen as the enemy of the spirit, is actually its ally, or can be made to act like one. This sex-positive spiritual view holds that to truly become whole, we must liberate our sexuality from the chains of guilt, shame and repression, and allow it to find full expression as a natural, healthy and even sacred part of life.

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Carlos Castaneda / Don Juan Matus (from "The Fire From Within")

"Sexual energy is something of ultimate importance and it has to be controlled and used with great care. Don't resent or applaud what I say, thinking that I am speaking of control in terms of morality; I mean it in terms of saving and rechanneling energy. I recommend, therefore, that one control oneself and understand the Indescribable Force 's command that sex is for bestowing the glow of awareness. It is the Indescribable Force 's command that sexual energy be used for creating life. Through sexual energy, the Indescribable Force bestows awareness. So when sentient beings are engaged in sexual intercourse, the emanations inside their cocoons do their best to bestow awareness to the new sentient being they are creating.

During the sexual act, the emanations encased inside the cocoon of both partners undergo a profound agitation, the culminating point of which is a merging, a fusing of two pieces of the glow of awareness, one from each partner, that separate from their cocoons.

Sexual intercourse is always a bestowal of awareness even though the bestowal may not be consolidated. Warriors know that the only real energy we possess is a life-bestowing sexual energy. This knowledge makes them permanently conscious of their responsibility. If warriors want to have enough energy to see , they must become misers with their sexual energy.

You needn't think this a puritanical attitude toward sex. There is nothing wrong with man's sensuality. It's man's ignorance of and disregard for his magical nature that is wrong. It's a mistake to waste recklessly the life-bestowing force of sex and not have children, but it's also a mistake not to know that in having children one taxes the glow of awareness. Seers have seen that on having a child, the parents' glow of awareness diminishes and the child's increases. In some super-sensitive, frail parents, the glow of awareness almost disappears. As children enhance their awareness, a big dark spot develops in the luminous cocoon of the parents, on the very place from which the glow was taken away. It is usually on the midsection of the cocoon. Sometimes those spots can even be seen superimposed on the body itself."

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(source: [link to gnostictransformation.junk] spam site/2007/12/sivananda-on-sexual-sublimationtransmut.html)


(Please keep in mind Sivananda is teaching the way of the Yogi. There are many paths to liberation, all of which have to do with controlling the sexual force. They do vary slightly.)

Suppression and Sublimation

In the practice of brahmacharya, what is wanted is elimination of lust, but not suppression. Suppression of the sex urge is not eradication. You can never be free of that which is suppressed. The suppressed sex desire will attack you again and again and will produce wet dreams, irritability and restlessness of mind.

Repression or suppression of the sexual desire will not help you much. If lust is suppressed, it will again manifest with redoubled force when a suitable opportunity arises, when the will becomes weak, when vairagya1 wanes, when there is slackening in meditation or yogic sadhana,2 when you become weak owing to an attack of disease.

Do not try to run away from women. Then Maya3 will chase you terribly. Try to see the Self in all forms and repeat the formula Om Ek Sat-Chit-Ananda Atma: “Om! I am the Self, the one Existence-Consciousness-Bliss” very often. Remember that atman4 is sexless. Mental repetition of this formula will give you strength.

Ignorant people adopt foolish methods to kill the indriyas.5 They fail eventually. Many foolish aspirants amputate the organ of reproduction. They think that lust can be eradicated by such a procedure. What a great foolish act! Lust is in the mind. If the mind is subdued, what can this external fleshy organ do? Some swallow tons of nux vomica to kill this organ. They fail in their attempts to be centred in brahmacharya. The state of their mind remains the same, though they become impotent by taking nux vomica.

What is wanted is a judicious control of the indriyas. The indriyas should not be allowed to run riot in sensual grooves. They should not be allowed to throw us ruthlessly into the deep pit of worldliness, like the turbulent horse carrying away the rider wherever it likes.

Brahmacharya means control, but not suppression, of the sex desire or sex force. The mind should be rendered pure by meditation, japa,6 kirtan7 and prayer. If the mind is filled with sublime divine thoughts by meditation, japa, prayer and study of holy scriptures, the sex desire will be devitalised or de-energised by the withdrawal of the mind. The mind also will be thinned out.

From sex energy to spiritual energy

The sexual energy must be transmuted into spiritual energy or ojas8 shakti by the practice of japa, prayer, meditation, study of religious books, pranayama9 and asanas. You must develop devotion and a burning desire for liberation. You must constantly meditate on the pure, immortal, sexless, bodiless, desireless atman. Then only the sexual desire will be annihilated.

If the sexual energy is transmuted into ojas or spiritual energy by pure thoughts, it is called sex sublimation in western psychology. Sublimation is not a matter of suppression or repression, but a positive, dynamic, conversion process. It is the process of controlling the sex energy, conserving it, then diverting it into higher channels, and finally, converting it into spiritual energy or ojas shakti. The material energy is changed into spiritual energy, just as heat is changed into light and electricity. Just as a chemical substance is sublimated or purified by raising the substance through heat into vapour which again is condensed into solid form, so also, the sexual energy is purified and changed into divine energy by spiritual sadhana.

Ojas is spiritual energy that is stored up in the brain. By entertaining sublime, soul-elevating thoughts of the Self or atman, by meditation, japa, worship and pranayama, the sexual energy can be transmuted into ojas shakti and stored up in the brain. This stored up energy can then be utilised for divine contemplation and spiritual pursuits.

Anger and muscular energy can also be transmuted into ojas. A man who has a great deal of ojas in his brain can turn out immense mental work. He is very intelligent. He has lustrous eyes and a magnetic aura in his face. He can influence people by speaking a few words. A short speech of his produces a tremendous impression on the minds of the hearers. His speech is thrilling. He has an awe-inspiring personality. Sri Shankara, an akhanda brahmachari,10 worked wonders through his power of ojas. He did digvijaya11 and held controversies and heated debates in different parts of India with learned scholars through his power of ojas. A yogi always directs his attention to the accumulation of this divine energy by unbroken chastity.

In yoga, it is called urdhvaretas. An urdhvareta yogi12 is one in whom the seminal energy has flown upwards into the brain as ojas shakti. There is now no possibility of the semen going downwards by sexual excitement.

The secret of sex sublimation

According to yogic science, semen exists in a subtle form throughout the whole body. It is found in a subtle state in all the cells of the body. It is withdrawn and elaborated into a gross form in the sexual organ under the influence of the sexual will and sexual excitement. An urdhvareta yogi not only converts the semen into ojas, but checks through his yogic power, through purity in thought, word and deed, the very formation of semen by the secretary cells of the testes or seeds. This is a great secret. Allopaths believe that even in an urdhvareta yogi, the formation of semen goes on incessantly and that the fluid is reabsorbed into the blood. This is a mistake. They do not understand the inner yogic secrets and mysteries. They are in the dark. Their drishti or vision is concerned with the gross things of the universe. The yogi penetrates into the subtle hidden nature of things through yogic chakshu or the inner vision of wisdom. The yogi gets control over the astral nature of semen and thereby prevents the formation of the very fluid itself.

The body of a man who is truly an urdhvaretas has the scent of a lotus. A man who is not a brahmachari, in whom gross semen is formed, may, on the other hand, smell like a buck goat. The semen dries up in those who practice pranayama seriously. The semen-energy ascends up to the brain. It is stored up as ojas shakti or spiritual energy and comes back as amrita13 or nectar.

The process of sex sublimation is extremely difficult. It demands constant and protracted sadhana and perfect discipline. That yogi who has achieved perfect sublimation has perfect control over lust. Complete sublimation is achieved through ceaseless meditation on atman and Self-realization. That yogi or jnani14 who has attained the highest nirvikalpa samadhi,15 in whom the seeds of samskaras16 are fried in toto, can claim to be a perfect urdhvaretas or one who has complete sex sublimation. There is no fear of his downfall. He is perfectly safe. He will be absolutely free from impurity. This stage is a very high stage. A microscopic minority only have attained this sublime exalted state. Shankara, Dattatreya, Jnana Deva of Alandi and others reached this stage.

There is another segment called “dhiryaretas,” or those persons, who, previously a prey to lustful thoughts and deviated from brahmacharya, later take to the practice of strict celibacy. Such a person, if he practices strict celibacy for twelve years, can acquire superhuman powers. Medha nadi or buddhi nadi is formed in him. By means of this, he can have retentive memory of anything as long as he lives, and he will be in a position to learn all kinds of subjects.

By observance of unbroken brahmacharya in thought, word and deed for a period of full twelve years, one is bestowed even with the vision of God, if one aspires for it. He can solve the most abstruse and complicated problems easily. But, this kind of observance should commence before the thirty-second or the thirty-fourth year.

That yogi who has disciplined himself through ceaseless protracted sadhana, continuous meditation, pranayama and atmic vichara,17 the practice of Sama,18 Dama,19 Yama20 and Niyama,21 is also safe, although he has not attained the stage of perfect sex sublimation. Women will hold no attraction for him. He has thinned out his mind. The mind is starved to death. It cannot raise its hood. It cannot hiss.

Total sublimation is difficult, yet not impossible

The process of sex sublimation is very difficult, and yet, it is most necessary for the aspirant in the spiritual path. It is the most important qualification for the Sadhaka,22 be he in the path of Karma Yoga,23 Upasana,24 Raja Yoga25 or Vedanta.26 It is a fundamental prerequisite for an aspirant. If one has this qualification or merit, all other merits will come and cling to him. All good qualities will come by themselves. You must achieve this at any cost. You will surely attempt this in future births. But why not now?

The total annihilation of the sexual desire is the ultimate spiritual ideal. Complete sublimation alone will make you free. But, perfect sublimation can hardly be achieved within a day or two. It demands continuous struggle with patience and perseverance for some time. Even the householders should keep the above ideal before them and try to realize it gradually. If the state of perfect sublimation is attained, there will be purity in thought, word and deed. No sexual thought will enter the mind at any time.

It is through constant vichara and Brahma-bhavana27 that the mind has to be weaned from lustful thoughts and tendencies. You must remove not only the sexual craving and the sexual impulses, but also the sex attraction. Think of the miseries that you get from a married life with its various entanglements and bondage. Make the mind understand by repeated autosuggestion and hammering that sexual pleasure is false, worthless, illusory and full of pain. Place before the mind the advantages, bliss, power and knowledge of a spiritual life. Make it understand that the exalted, eternal life is in the immortal atman. When it hears constantly these suggestions, it will slowly leave off its old habits. The attraction for sex will slowly die. Then only real sex sublimation will take place. Then only you will become an urdhvareta yogi.

There are two kinds of force in the mind, namely, hostile or antagonistic force and friendly or favourable force. Passion is a hostile force that drags you down. Pure reason is a favourable force that elevates you and transmutes you into Divinity. Develop, therefore, my child, pure reason to get unalloyed bliss and supreme Brahmic knowledge. Passion will die by itself.

Sex sublimation is within your reach if you wish to attain it. The path is quite clear, straight and easy if you understand it and if you apply yourself with patience, perseverance, determination and strong will, if you practice discipline of the indriyas, right conduct, right thinking, right acting, regular meditation, assertion, auto-suggestion and enquiry of “Who am I?.” atman is sexless. Atman is nirvikara.28 Feel this. Can there be any trace of lust or impurity in the etemal, pure atman?

Glory to those Yogis who have attained urdhvaretas or full sex sublimation and who are resting in their own swarupa!29 May we all practice perfect celibacy through the practice of sama, dama, viveka,30 vichara, vairagya, pranayama, japa and dhyana31 and reach the goal of life! May the Indweller of our hearts grant us spiritual strength to control the indriyas and the mind! May we all become full urdhvareta Yogis like Shankara and Jnana Dev of yore! May their blessings be upon us all!

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Eugene E. Whitworth (from "Nine Faces of Christ" [1] [2] [3])

"True Love comes not in spirit, not in mind, not in body alone !

For he who loves in spirit only will be weak of body and changeful of mind. He who loves in mind only will be careless of spirit and animal in body. He who loves in body alone, will rut and fornicate and be lower than the worms.

Yet he who loves not in the body, will never know the upsurging, creative love that makes his manhood akin to godhood. He who loves not in mind will never know the upsurging of wisdom that raises him out of dross into pure and golden thought. He who loves not in the spirit, will never know the upsweeping spirit that joins him with the laughing gods and welds marriage across the break in time.

He who truly loves, loves equally in spirit, mind and body. He who truly loves, loves proudly in all three levels. Yea, he who truly loves, loves all ways, always."


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Mr. Oscar Uzcategui, “Gnostic Ontology”
(source: [link to www.vopus.org]

Q.: On the subject of masturbation, I have heard classes of sexual education and there we have been told that masturbation is healthy and necessary. What are the views of the Gnostics on this?

A.: Well, let me tell you that ‘the road to Hell is paved with good intentions’. The asylums are filled with masturbators who damaged their nervous systems abusing of sexuality, through masturbation. Masturbation produces, in the long run, early ejaculation in men, because they accustomed their sexual system to react to mental images that they themselves produced and when they have to deal with a normal sexual relationship, they can barely maintain the erection, because their sphincters do not resist the sexual contact; and this produces bitterness in the marriage, dissatisfaction and infidelities. In many cases the man who got used to masturbation later becomes impotent, because he destroys some nervous threads of his brain and is unable to consummate a normal sexual relationship. So you see how “beneficial” masturbation is. I must also add that masturbation causes psychological damage in young boys and girls, as well as personality disorders, lack of will power, shyness, melancholy and this is why, at times, masturbation has been named a solitary vice.

In his work, the father of contemporary Gnostic anthropology Samael Aun Weor says the following on this subject:

…The energetic cellar of the sexual center is also plundered by the various psychological aggregates. From an early age, the child begins with the vice of masturbation, thus losing fundamental elements for his development, such as lecithin, cholesterin and phosphates. Here begins the via crucis (road of the cross) of the human being. The profound ignorance in which the humanity is living makes this centre the most prejudiced one of all…

Last Edited by chegg on 06/22/2011 05:47 AM

Say what????

Quoting: chegg




Say what????


I'll try and Summarize it:

there is no need to eliminate sexual desire if you can have sex in the proper way. If you have sex in the proper way, sexual desire will be eliminated as a direct consequence - this is the easy way. The other, sometimes more difficult, way is to try celibacy.

Last Edited by chegg on 06/23/2011 03:58 AM

Prozac does the trick for me. Sexual desire by todays standards is considered sacrosanct. We have been programmed by our culture from the earliest age to embrace and flaunt it wholeheartedly and at every opportunity. More than God, it's pretty much our only unquestioned birthright. The bottom line is - sex sells.

I have not had sex with a person for the last 18 years. I have never had homosexual sex, except during fantasy in masturbation. I have homosexual phantasies as well as heterosexual phantasies. Although I accept my heterosexual tendencies, I think my homosexual tendencies are a sin. Although I'd like them not to be there, they occasionally come up and I don't like them. They're different than my heterosexual tendencies in that they're based on sheer pleasure with no regard for the other person involved - nothing but sex. Whereas my heterosexual phantasies involve concepts like marriage, children, companionship, merging of souls - things like that.

In the end I don't know what I am. But I know I am human. And a human is more than just an animal. I believe sex is not just for the continuation of the species, but for union with the Beloved.

Get a healthy wife. Love her and make sure she loves you...your dick will calm down.
Do not ! I repeat ! Do not become catholic priest.....

"love" as real love like ..wishing happiness to people close to you ...this kind of love...in time you will understand that sexual relationship with your wife is really nice bonus with possibility to see the fruit of your love to your wife....kids..

Or try ancient yogi trick..self castration.

I have a deep problem with sexual stimulation/arousal which I have not heard of in any other person. Having had untold hours of "acting out" sexually (safely), sexual arousal now seriously impairs my voice and makes it shake and really almost ruins it. It has reached the point where just the arousal (feeling in my penis) impairs my voice. Sometimes it feels like my breath has been taken away. So I have been looking for a soluition. I recently had injections near my vocal cords which have helped but the sexual stimulation still really impairs it. So I have a really big dilemma and wonder whether I should get something to stop my sexual arousal entirely. The problem is the sexual arousal and activity are like my only joy these days (I'm 65).

Marry a woman who will only put out once every six months, or longer.
You will loose the desire real fast, and of course you will end up dumping her in the process.

Been there, done that unfortunately

Stay away from any Porn of any kind!

The fastest way to celibacy is to read
feminist threads like this one:
Thread: how SEXUAL IMAGERY is RE-engineering the YOUR MIND against your consent

You can be permanently cured in less than an hour.

I can't imagine castration would take away attraction.
You could still get sidelined (obsessed) with someone without making love to them.

get circumstised op it slowed me down alot due to the thought of the pain i went through to get my covenant with god i now just tell my brain no got to stop got to stop and it does ...

Maybe that's part of OP's problem.

Just trust in God and he will take care of everything.

"Be strong and courageous!"javascript:doSmjavascript:doSmilie('');ilie('')​;

If you're serious about that you don't need to do anything, you will notice your sexual desire will begin to wane gradually and one day it'll occurr to you that you haven't thought about sex in a while.

You are on your way to spiritual growth..... what we need to accomplish (than includes me) is the most difficult task of all... but let's not abandon hope.... at all times i am getting my support from always reading the gnostic scriptures from the NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY... it has its website.

if you have to eliminate anything youre doing it wrong imo

there is a very old technique that is widely and successfully practised.
it is called marriage.

answer: respect

Some said solve is marriage, but that is not simple, sometime guy unable to get wife for some reason, or maybe Elohim didn't gift to that men. who know.