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New Hampshire To Recount Primary Votes

 
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New Hampshire To Recount Primary Votes
New Hampshire elections officials announced Friday they will conduct a hand recount of the state's Democratic and Republican presidential primaries at the request of two long shot presidential contenders.

Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who received less than 1.4 percent of the New Hampshire vote, and Republican Albert Howard of Michigan, who received about 44 votes statewide, requested the recount.

New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner said in a statement Friday that he plans to start the recount Jan. 16. Both candidates are required to pay a $2,000 fee for the recount.

“Mr. Howard and Mr. Kucinich have satisfied the requirements for initiating a statewide recount of the Republican and Democratic primary,” Gardner said.

Kucinich, a longtime Ohio congressman, called for the recount out of concern for the integrity of the process.

In New Hampshire, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., beat Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the Democratic contest by just 3 percentage points. Going into Tuesday's primary contest, polls showed Obama leading significantly in the Granite State.

“This isn't about me, and it's not about Senator Clinton or Senator Obama,” Kucinich was quoted by FOX News as saying. ”It's about the integrity of the election process. Keep in mind that there are huge disparities between polls on the day of the election and the returns.”

Kucinich, who urged his supporters before last week's Iowa caucuses to support Obama as a second choice in case he was unable to attract the needed 15 percent support, said his request was not made out of support for the Illinois senator.

“Maybe it amounts to nothing. That's possible — fine,” Kucinich told FOX News. “We deserve to make sure that the election process is unchallenged, unquestioned.”


Outraged Kucinich Criticizes NBC For Removing Him From Debate []

1/12/2008 8:43:10 AM Long shot Democratic presidential contender Rep. Dennis Kucinich is criticizing NBC for disinviting him from an upcoming presidential debate in Nevada, scheduled ahead of the Silver State's Jan. 19 caucuses.

The Ohio congressman said Friday he is considering legal action against the network, which is owned by General Electric.

NBC originally invited Kucinich on Jan. 9, but rescinded the invitation on Friday after the network's Political Director Chuck Todd told the Kucinich campaign that NBC was "redoing" its participation criteria.

Kucinich had qualified to participate in debate by coming in fourth in a national poll with just 3 percent.

However, NBC reportedly changed its participation criteria to focus the debate on the three national front-runners: Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York, Barack Obama of Illinois and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

The Kucinich campaign chided NBC in a statement for what it called its "blatant disregard of the public interest in silencing public debate" that dissents with the views of NBC and its parent company.

“Corporate control of the media is one issue. Corporate media control of the information that is allowed to reach American citizens is much more dangerous, much more sinister, and much more un-American,” the campaign said.

The statement continued: “When ‘big media' exert their unbridled control over what Americans can see, hear, and read, then the Constitutional power and right of the citizens to vote is being vetoed by multi-billion corporations that want the votes to go their way.”

Kucinich filed an emergency complaint with the Federal Communications Commission after he was excluded from an ABC debate in New Hampshire last week.

[link to www.rttnews.com]
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Ron Paul is well connected and respected for this to happen.
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This is great news. If the voting is rigged, it's best to find out at the beginning of the cycle. The Iowa caucus had some suspicious activities too. Taking 10 hours to post results when they had said it would be done in live, real time and it wasn't. Who counted the votes in Iowa?
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They're actually going to do a recount?

Amazing...and very interesting!




Thanks for the info, OP!!

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Works for me...
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Hmmmmm.

I'd be interested to see the results of the re-count.
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[link to www.theconservativevoice.com] Some interesting analysis has been done over the New Hampshire Primary and "there are just too many questions that need to be answered," says Dennis Kuchinich.
In New Hampshire, Barack Obama actually BEAT Hillary in all towns in New Hampshire that used hand counted ballots, but in towns where electronic Diebold machines were used, Clinton won. Sound strange? It does to me too. Actually, Obama lost 7% of the vote when you compare hand counts to electronic counts. Something just seems fishy.
On the GOP side, a very low tier candidate, Albert Howard, is also flying to New Hampshire as we speak to request the recount and pay the fee. He doesn't expect anything to turn for him, but he was reported as having 170 votes and then it changed to less than 90 later on. He also says that 2 towns in particular, Sutton, NH and at least 1 other town, Ron Paul had 0 votes but actually had 52.
Similar to the Democrats, the GOP had Romney with an 8% uptick on machine counted ballots vs. hand counted ballots. Huckabee losing around 2% and Paul losing around 14% on the machine counted ballots. That's significant and just a little too funny not to be checked.
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Fucking media has taken control over who is heard by the American public.
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So are they gonna go by paper ballots only then?
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Fucking media has taken control over who is heard by the American public.
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Only if you are stupid enough to not filter what you hear/see/are told...
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Ron Paul is well connected and respected for this to happen.
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Where's Ron Paul in this? Sure does look to me like Dr. Paul did not stick his neck out to get this recount done. It was requested by Kuchinich and Howard.
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so who is gonna do the recount? how are they gonna do it? i'm assuming as their is not auditing of who voted, it will come out the same as the original count (at least by the machines)

I like the idea of a recount, but not sure it will help the cause of those who believe there was fraud - as the people running the election have all the power and information about the machines.
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and why should Ron Paul waste our money on this...even though he is investigating the Iowa elections...or didn't you get the memo...it is being done...that is all that counts.

quit trying to blame Ron on what YOU fail to do for yourself.
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Why do I get the feeling this was done to spite Ron Paul supporters??
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Agreed with the above, doesn't matter how or by who really, the fact is the recount is happening. And that's good news for Paul.
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RP is part of the old system, the PTB... He isn't contesting the fraud because he is part of the fraud. He is a pawn in a game of chess.
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And you base that on.......?
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RP is part of the old system, the PTB... He isn't contesting the fraud because he is part of the fraud. He is a pawn in a game of chess.
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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i base that on common sense.

if i was raped in an election due to fraud, i would say something about it, especially if my followers wanted me to.

this is even more applicable to Obama.
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RP is part of the old system, the PTB... He isn't contesting the fraud because he is part of the fraud. He is a pawn in a game of chess.
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The entire thing is a FRAUD.

Posted on another thread:

Our entire voting system and elections are completely farcical and a total FRAUD.

DRE's are electronic voting.

14 states do NOT require any paper trails.


"14 states and the District of Columbia currently use DREs in at least some jurisdictions (in DE, GA, LA, MD and SC they are the only system in use statewide) and do not use nor require VVPATs: AR**, DE, DC, GA, IN, KS, KY, LA, MD***, NJ****, PA, SC, TN, TX, VA"

[link to www.electionline.org]


This, of course, means that the nwo can SELECT ANY candidate they want in any election, any time, easily.

Let's say they really want Obama as President.

All they have to do is make it look close with Hillary -- and just 'announce' what the "unable to be audited" (no paper trail) results are from those states above.

The winner, or president-elect, will do their bidding or lose their life.

We live in a DICTATORSHIP, WITH NO VOTE.

The 'dictator' is unseen.

Thread: how to fix the voting problem
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RP is part of the old system, the PTB... He isn't contesting the fraud because he is part of the fraud. He is a pawn in a game of chess.



Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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I'm not whining about anything, just stating the facts.
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Hey, you can hate all politicians because most are corrupt. Same as you can hate all women because your wife cheated on you.
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i don't hate the politicians, even the corrupt ones. my goal is just to expose the system for what it is... no more, no less.

Because the corrupt politicians are corrupt because of the system, not because they are more evil than you or I.
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i don't hate the politicians, even the corrupt ones. my goal is just to expose the system for what it is... no more, no less.

Because the corrupt politicians are corrupt because of the system, not because they are more evil than you or I.
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Look. Why should Ron Paul squander away people's hear earned money to fight Iowa, when he already probably had it figured he would be low, but in the running? I personally would like to see this money used for where it will be needed.
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i don't hate the politicians, even the corrupt ones. my goal is just to expose the system for what it is... no more, no less.

Because the corrupt politicians are corrupt because of the system, not because they are more evil than you or I.
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Wrong. They ARE more evil than you or I.

They all participate in a knowing FRAUD. Why?

Because they all make MONEY from it.

They keep asking for your money...knowing the vote counts are wrong.

They keep asking for your money...knowing that 14 states HAVE NO PAPER TRAIL.

They keep asking for your money...knowing that a recount is impossible in a state with no paper trail.


What does it take to wake people up...
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WE MUST DEMAND THESE FOUR THINGS

1. VOTE IN PERSON

2. VOTE ON PAPER

3. POSITIVE ID

4. MONITORED AND OPEN COUNT
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Fucking media has taken control over who is heard by the American public.
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And just who the hell IS the "media" you speak about?

The rules of the "media" game have changed with the advent of the internet and on the spot internet reporters and the publications of in depth and intenstive internet investigative journalism. Even the old "traditional media" of TV, Radio and Newspaper is being transformed by the internet's presence.

In a short while the ONLY broadcast media that will still exist will be Radio. As TV goes HDTV, more and more of the People in the US that watch TV will be getting their "news" from the Cable TV News outlets like CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, PBS.

The other upspoken of broadcast "media" that has taken to the "airwaves" consists of the potential of fully "ad-hoc" WiFi networks. A new internet is even being born with ad-hoc wifi networks now spanning even residential suburban blocks as more and more homes adopted higher and higher powered Wifi systems for their home use.

This WiFi Broadcast Media is a fully new form which even the ISP's have no real control over.

As more and more household go to higher power higher ranging WiFi systems, with ranges of 1,000 feet, each house on the block becomes part of a potentially massive WiFi Ad-Hoc Internet that can only be controled by 1.) Radio jamming, 2.) turning off the power grid, 3.) EMP blasts.

This will become in a very short time the New Media. So in effect WE all will become a part of the New Media.

Time to re-evaluated what we mean by "the media".
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WE MUST DEMAND THESE FOUR THINGS

1. VOTE IN PERSON

2. VOTE ON PAPER

3. POSITIVE ID

4. MONITORED AND OPEN COUNT
 Quoting: Mr. Predictor


Agreed.

Until we do, ALL of this is meaningless.

INCLUDING sending money to ANY of these candidates.
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WE MUST DEMAND THESE FOUR THINGS

1. VOTE IN PERSON

2. VOTE ON PAPER

3. POSITIVE ID

4. MONITORED AND OPEN COUNT
 Quoting: Mr. Predictor


Point 4 Means standing there and personally watching them count the vote.
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Ron Paul is well connected and respected for this to happen.



Where's Ron Paul in this? Sure does look to me like Dr. Paul did not stick his neck out to get this recount done. It was requested by Kuchinich and Howard.
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Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends. A very good thing! Don't get your pants in a wad just yet.
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WE MUST DEMAND THESE FOUR THINGS

1. VOTE IN PERSON

2. VOTE ON PAPER

3. POSITIVE ID

4. MONITORED AND OPEN COUNT


Point 4 Means standing there and personally watching them count the vote.
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Yep, that means actully taking part in the process, not sitting on your ass behind a monitor whining about fraud.

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