Read the last sentence of the first paragraph of the unanimous declaration of the thirteen united States of America. "Consent of the governed"!!! Also the constitution is an amendment of The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 355123
That, to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
Powers from the consent of the governed.
The reason we have government in the first place is to secure our rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, among our other rights! "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas
"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli
"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost
:phamask:
Anonymous Coward User ID: 330782 United States 1/14/2008 1:38 AM
Herein could be a problem because who really now believes that they were created ... and "evolved"? And if one does not embrace a Creator ... all the rest is just so much verbage.
Quoting: Grafted Promise 355015
Exactly. And this is why the great push for an outright atheist government school system.
But then, depending on which "creator" one is talking about, that statement may or maynot be reflective of a certain particular theology. There is implied and inferenced in that very statement a theology.
Niccolò User ID: 348129 United States 1/14/2008 2:03 AM
Herein could be a problem because who really now believes that they were created ... and "evolved"? And if one does not embrace a Creator ... all the rest is just so much verbage.
Exactly. And this is why the great push for an outright atheist government school system.
But then, depending on which "creator" one is talking about, that statement may or maynot be reflective of a certain particular theology. There is implied and inferenced in that very statement a theology.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 330782
That is your implication and inference. Atheists have failed to give honest examination to evidences. Even Darwin, the hero of the evolutionists, admitted there must be a creator. Call the creator what you will, a creator exists. Whether it is God as christians know Him, or Nature's God as pagans know God.
I fail to grasp how anyone, regardless of religious belief, could logically deny an intelligent design behind creation. Take for example the human eye. "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas
"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli
"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost
:phamask:
Zandotious User ID: 136963 United States 1/14/2008 2:15 AM
Im 32. First time iv ever read these. I learned about cells, and electricity, and verbs, and slavery. Never was taught what the Decleration REALLY was and how it applied to me. Never learned about money or where it REALLY came from or how it is REALLY made. This shit make me wantto home school my kid. So pissd right now. Feel like i just woke up to the reality of things.
Niccolò User ID: 348129 United States 1/14/2008 2:33 AM
Im 32. First time iv ever read these. I learned about cells, and electricity, and verbs, and slavery. Never was taught what the Decleration REALLY was and how it applied to me. Never learned about money or where it REALLY came from or how it is REALLY made. This shit make me wantto home school my kid. So pissd right now. Feel like i just woke up to the reality of things.
Quoting: Zandotious 136963
Congrats. Home schooling while it's legal is not a bad idea.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas
"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli
"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost
:phamask:
Anonymous Coward User ID: 355155 United States 1/14/2008 2:51 AM
"The evolutionists/humanists/atheists don't believe in "created equal" and "endowed by their creator", so the globalists will continue to use their new age privatization system to trade freedom for security, because they have been allowed to make the unalienable, alienable via laws and wars. Whatever can be given, can be taken away, so rights are not given, they are part(endowed) of being human, and to have a world exist where human rights can be taken away(via a act), it is like being able to take away some1's humanity, and if some1 can be degraded to not being treated with dignity as human, then the torture and the mistreatment of this sub class of people(aliens) will be made more possible.
Quoting: Matrix 321343
Speaking as a lifelong churchmember: That's entirely bull.
I've seen more evil, divisiveness, and malice done by "believers" -- of my faith, or of any faith -- than by secularists, agnostics, atheists, humanists, et al (most of whom just want to belet the heck alone, and not have any belief/religion shoved down their throats).
Unfortunately, monotheism's exclusivity inclines it toward marginalizing others. Example: Christianity has too often used "God" as a power-tool -- to justify an unjust status quo and inequality, justify slavery and racism, make people "accept their (unequal) lot" as God's will and defer to their "betters," control people via fear of hellfire, or base "rights" on whether people were of the right belief, sect, church, class, gender, race, et al.
The Declaration invokes "Nature's God" and a "Creator" - which are VERY distinctly Enlightenment-deist terms, and can mean just about anything, or anyone. The point wasn't to define a Source, deity, Big Bang, or God-belief, but to claim a common basis for equality.
(Similarly, 12-step programs require that people rely on a Higher Power. But they don't care WHAT that H.P. is -- it can be God, community, Justice, World Peace, or Cosmic Intelligence. The goal is just to realize that you're not the Center of the Universe, and there's SOMETHING greater than yourself.)
That's even clearer in the Constitution: The Law of the Land doesn't even MENTION God, but says that state power proceeds from the People. (And that wasn't a mistake, nor was God-belief "implied." From the start, some religionists were horrified by the omission, and tried -- and failed -- to "correct" it.)
The advantage of a secular, rule-of-law government -- as the Founders well knew (since they invented one) -- is: YOU KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. No one can say "God made me king," or "God wants it this way," or roll his/her eyes to heaven, or interpret some "prophecy," and say "Whoops! Divine Revelation just changed the rules and took your rights away."
Obviously, it doesn't always pan out. But it's our best shot at FACILITATING equality, instead of just yapping about it. As the Founders were aware: Religionism can be lethal, and it's often a cover for base human motives.
The only way to avoid civil strife is for government to be religion-neutral, safeguard freedom of conscience, and let religions slug it out on their own playing fields -- among people who choose to play.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 355155 United States 1/14/2008 3:22 AM
Exactly. And this is why the great push for an outright atheist government school system.
But then, depending on which "creator" one is talking about, that statement may or maynot be reflective of a certain particular theology. There is implied and inferenced in that very statement a theology.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 330782
The goal is for a SECULAR school system.
If we had a "religious" system, religion-in-school fans would see why "secular is better."
Even if it were an entirely "Christianized" system: Within milliseconds, every church, sect and denomination would be battling re: specific prayers, texts used, Bible versions, et al.
Baptist/evangelical prayer-styles and texts would be alien or offensive to Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and many mainline Protestants -- and vice versa.
Even if it were "all-evangelical" -- different evangelical sects would be at each others' throats in no time.
You'd have heresy wars, and fights re: correct interp of ANY Bible.
Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers would object to ANY school-required religious exercise,
Congregationalists, Episcopalians, and some others would SUPPORT evolution-teaching.
Everyone's clergy would jockey for advisory posts, and every church would insist on a say or piece of the pie, just so they could "represent."
School funds would be peed away (in bucketfuls) to pay for advisors, materials, mediators ...
Nonreligious education would be an also-ran. Teaching would become a less appealing profession than it already is. You'd end up with people who were really good at teaching Bible School, and really lousy at teaching math.
It would be like fighting the entire Protestant Reformation, Catholic Counter-Reformation, Calvinist disputes, (U.S.) Great Awakening/Revivalism fallout, and every church schism all over again -- but with kids as ham in the sandwich.
It would NOT make anyone more godly, or make ANY religion look good.
Chuck User ID: 85992 United States 1/14/2008 4:05 AM
That investigation into the nature and construction of the new constitution, which the conspirators have so long and zealously struggled against, has,...so far taken place as to ascertain the enormity of their criminality. That system which was pompously displayed as the perfection of government, proves upon examination to be the most odious system of tyranny that was ever projected, a many headed hydra of despotism, whose complicated and various evils would be infinitely more oppressive and afflictive than the scourge of any tyrant:...
No wonder then that such a discovery should excite uneasy apprehensions in the minds of the conspirators, for such an attempt against the public liberties is unprecedented in history, it is a crime of the blackest dye, as it strikes at the happiness of millions and the dignity of human nature, as it was intended to deprive Americans of the choicest blessing of life and the oppressed of all nations of an asylum of liberty. - Samuel Bryan as "Centinel," January 1788.
Yes, the founding fathers were very intelligent. People are still in awe of what they wrote. Many people don't realize the Constitution was cleverly written so that Americans and their states have no legally enforceable avenue to counter federal hegemony.
The Constitution has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. - Lysander Spooner, 1870. “Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival.” - W. Edwards Deming
[link to survivalchuck.blogspot.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 355155 United States 1/14/2008 4:09 AM
Many people don't realize the Constitution was cleverly written so that Americans and their states have no legally enforceable avenue to counter federal hegemony.
Quoting: Chuck
You can convene a Constitutional Convention.
Chuck User ID: 85992 United States 1/14/2008 4:42 AM
On the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; - Article V of the Constitution
What, if any, standards govern the convention procedure authorized by Article V (a procedure that has never been used)? May Congress set conditions for determining when the constitutional prerequisites for calling a convention been met? Do the terms of the Constitution control the organization and administration of a convention? May Congress impose enforceable limits or mandates on a convention? Is there any recourse if such as convention casts aside its mandate and limitations? May the convention set aside the requirements of Article V? - Richard B. Bernstein; Amending America (1993), p. 248
There's no way to put a muzzle on a Constitutional Convention - former Chief Justice Warren Burger
Do you think any modern body of delegates would be intelligent and righteous enough to come up with something that would provide true liberty and freedom to Americans? Even if you could get intelligent and righteous people, Congress has the power in Article V to choose the device of ratification: state legislatures or state conventions.
I'm sorry, the Constitution was written very well and the prediction of Samuel Bryan of being "more oppressive and afflictive than the scourge of any tyrant" still strikes a bell to me. “Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival.” - W. Edwards Deming
[link to survivalchuck.blogspot.com]
Tangwystyl User ID: 354457 United States 1/14/2008 4:53 AM
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The budget should be balanced,
the Treasury should be refilled,
the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled,
and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
Cicero - 55 BC
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 354717 United States 1/14/2008 4:58 AM
A prison made of words!!!! yeh thats what I said....
you have these rights cause we put them on paper, but only if you do, what I say, the way I say, when I say, and you have no say,we will look after that for you,just go to work and send money
Tangwystyl User ID: 354457 United States 1/14/2008 5:08 AM
Im 32. First time iv ever read these. I learned about cells, and electricity, and verbs, and slavery. Never was taught what the Decleration REALLY was and how it applied to me. Never learned about money or where it REALLY came from or how it is REALLY made. This shit make me wantto home school my kid. So pissd right now. Feel like i just woke up to the reality of things.
Congrats. Home schooling while it's legal is not a bad idea.
Quoting: Niccolò
I've been homeschooling for 4 years now, WE LOVE IT!!
The reasons I decided to do it was seeing a serious lack of interest by second grade, stifling of creativity, but more importantly the lack of substance on anything REALLY important.
I imagine you aren't alone in really reading this at the age of 32 for the first time.. *check out the video links I posted above, you and your kids will love em!*
Before the Department of Education we were #1 in the world.. Now we place somewhere around 30th or worse..
That is very telling of what DOE's goals are..
*Where's the sheep cookie cutter icon lol* ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The budget should be balanced,
the Treasury should be refilled,
the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled,
and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
Cicero - 55 BC
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Shadow Dancer User ID: 287857 United States 1/14/2008 10:14 AM
recently talked with LT officer of police in NewOrleans and he told me the "activists" are all paid and are "RADICALS" He used the word several times and some other things he said were just as disconcerting
I think I see the writing on the wall
and it does not bode well for those who celebrate truth-not at all!!!
all 'forces' have been militarized-hardcore...not like the old days at all
Military Police was all over the cruisers down there, sitting next to many humvees... All choices have consequences, choose wisely, CHOOSE WISELY.
jlazarus User ID: 348904 United States 1/14/2008 10:23 AM
I just would find it strange that evolution would support a devine Creator.
Evolution explains how, not why.
There's plenty of room.
Quoting: TexasT 340687
Thank you, TexasT, for pointing that out and for 'getting' that. So many don't, and sadly, that is one of the main reasons that so many get into such polarized emotional states when discussing evolution. Bravo!
People tend to think evolution attempts to answer the question of 'origin of life' and it doesn't. That would be 'origin of life' theory ;)
The Theory of Evolution is a TOOL that scientists use to help interpret an observed RESULT.
For any others that may not understand, here's a site that explains this very well:
I urge anyone wishing to really evaluate evolution to read that site in its entirety. The Theory of Evolution does not attempt to answer the question of whether there is a creator or not - that's not part of the theory at all. The idea of a creator and the theory of evolution are not exclusive of each other. They are not inclusive either, necessarily, but certainly not exclusive. They simply are two separate subjects. I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
Grafted Promise User ID: 355271 United States 1/14/2008 10:30 AM
If you don't have a Creator ... man makes the rules.
And usually the "man" who takes power makes the rules.
This government has looooong left the Constitution ... because the people have loooong left the Constitution ... because the people rejected the Creator's right to RULE.
And the Creator is not a nebulous, feel-good, democracy supporting entity. YHVH gives humans the code of conduct in The Word ... as "custodianed" with the children of Israel.
Short, interesting experient this government ... proving again mankind cannot govern itself.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 355155 United States 1/14/2008 11:43 AM
If you don't have a Creator ... man makes the rules.
And usually the "man" who takes power makes the rules.
This government has looooong left the Constitution ... because the people have loooong left the Constitution ... because the people rejected the Creator's right to RULE.
Quoting: Grafted Promise 355271
If you HAVE a Creator, "man" still makes the rules -- because all depends on how a faith's founders interpreted the Creator, the adjustments made over time, and on our own beliefs and interpretation.
The world has around 40,000 Christian sects/denominations. There are thousands of Jewish sects (which are harder to count, since Judaism is more "disorganized" by nature). Each has its own spin on the Law.
You can't get 20 people of the same faith in a room and have them agree on all that their "Creator" wants. The one commonality among all religions and sects is: By the time they get organized, they're already arguing, splitting off, and claiming to be more-authentic-than-thou. It's almost a sport.
If the Constitution endorsed any God or religion (which it doesn't), the U.S. would have been consumed by religious warfare. Instead of a Congress, we'd have had a synod of bishops, pastors, ministers, preachers, priests, deacons, presbyters, clerks, and elders, arguing about Deuteronomy, Corinthians, and the unprovable, and periodically shunning, disfellowshipping, or excommunicating each other.
George Mason wrote this a month before
Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.
Notice that it has the 'property right'.
Virginia Declaration of Rights
I That all men are by nature equally free and
independent, and have certain inherent rights,
of which, when they enter into a state of society,
they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest
their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life
and liberty, with the means of acquiring and
possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining
happiness and safety.
II That all power is vested in, and consequently
derived from, the people; that magistrates are
their trustees and servants, and at all times
amenable to them.
III That government is, or ought to be, instituted
for the common benefit, protection, and security of
the people, nation or community; of all the various
modes and forms of government that is best, which
is capable of producing the greatest degree of
happiness and safety and is most effectually secured
against the danger of maladministration; and that,
whenever any government shall be found inadequate
or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the
community hath an indubitable, unalienable, and
indefeasible right to reform, alter or abolish it,
in such manner as shall be judged most conducive
to the public weal.
IV That no man, or set of men, are entitled to
exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges
from the community, but in consideration of public
services; which, not being descendible, neither
ought the offices of magistrate, legislator, or
judge be hereditary.
V That the legislative and executive powers of
the state should be separate and distinct from
the judicative; and, that the members of the two
first may be restrained from oppression by feeling
and participating the burthens of the people, they
should, at fixed periods, be reduced to a private
station, return into that body from which they
were originally taken, and the vacancies be supplied
by frequent, certain, and regular elections in which
all, or any part of the former members, to be again
eligible, or ineligible, as the laws shall direct.
VI That elections of members to serve as representatives
of the people in assembly ought to be free; and that
all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common
interest with, and attachment to, the community have
the right of suffrage and cannot be taxed or deprived
of their property for public uses without their own
consent or that of their representatives so elected,
nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like
manner, assented, for the public good.
VII That all power of suspending laws, or the
execution of laws, by any authority without consent
of the representatives of the people is injurious
to their rights and ought not to be exercised.
VIII That in all capital or criminal prosecutions
a man hath a right to demand the cause and nature
of his accusation to be confronted with the accusers
and witnesses, to call for evidence in his favor,
and to a speedy trial by an impartial jury of his
vicinage, without whose unanimous consent he cannot
be found guilty, nor can he be compelled to give
evidence against himself; that no man be deprived
of his liberty except by the law of the land or
the judgement of his peers.
IX That excessive bail ought not to be required,
nor excessive fines imposed; nor cruel and unusual
punishments inflicted.
X That general warrants, whereby any officer or
messenger may be commanded to search suspected
places without evidence of a fact committed, or
to seize any person or persons not named, or whose
offense is not particularly described and supported
by evidence, are grievous and oppressive and ought
not to be granted.
XI That in controversies respecting property and
in suits between man and man, the ancient trial
by jury is preferable to any other and ought to
be held sacred.
XII That the freedom of the press is one of the
greatest bulwarks of liberty and can never be
restrained but by despotic governments.
XIII That a well regulated militia, composed of
the body of the people, trained to arms, is the
proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
that standing armies, in time of peace, should be
avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all
cases, the military should be under strict
subordination to, and be governed by, the civil
power.
XIV That the people have a right to uniform government;
and therefore, that no government separate from, or
independent of, the government of Virginia, ought to
be erected or established within the limits thereof.
XV That no free government, or the blessings of liberty,
can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence
to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and
virtue and by frequent recurrence to fundamental
principles.
XVI That religion, or the duty which we owe to our
Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be
directed by reason and conviction, not by force or
violence; and therefore, all men are equally entitled
to the free exercise of religion, according to the
dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual
duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love,
and charity towards each other.
Adopted unanimously June 12, 1776 Virginia Convention
of Delegates drafted by Mr. George Mason
Thank you, TexasT, for pointing that out and for 'getting' that. So many don't, and sadly, that is one of the main reasons that so many get into such polarized emotional states when discussing evolution. Bravo!
People tend to think evolution attempts to answer the question of 'origin of life' and it doesn't. That would be 'origin of life' theory ;)
The Theory of Evolution is a TOOL that scientists use to help interpret an observed RESULT.
For any others that may not understand, here's a site that explains this very well:
I urge anyone wishing to really evaluate evolution to read that site in its entirety. The Theory of Evolution does not attempt to answer the question of whether there is a creator or not - that's not part of the theory at all. The idea of a creator and the theory of evolution are not exclusive of each other. They are not inclusive either, necessarily, but certainly not exclusive. They simply are two separate subjects.
Quoting: jlazarus
Thank you for the compliment. I was fortunate to get a BS degree in college and I studied biology, physics and chemistry. The first time evolution was explained to me in biology class a lightbulb went off in my head.
I never, EVER had a professor or friends who were doctors or scientists tell me that I couldn't believe in Jesus if I wanted to be a good scientist.
Unfortunately, the reverse can't be said for my friends and family who belong to certain denominations.
I'll stick with the science and my own spirituality, thank you very much.
Which brings us back to the constitution and declaration of independence. Those documents were revolutionary because they intentionall kept religion out of the government sphere. The founding fathers were very familiar with the civil war that tore England appart, all because of religion.
One can also look at other documents for evidence of this. For instance, the original constitution of the Republic of Texas bars ministers from not only running for office, but even being in the employ of the government. I feel quite strongly that they took their cue from the US document, where this was concerned, and if you look at other state constitutions, you will find the same thing.
Forever_Midnight User ID: 355289 United States 1/14/2008 3:17 PM
But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
new Guards for their future security.
Quoting: lest we forget 355057
so who besides Niccolo and TexasT are paying attention?
if you've submitted to live under this (broken) system,
It IS our DUTY!!!
I wanna cry...
but that's why I am doing my small part.
Get up!
Do something today.
. Crumbling world falls through my hands —
In my mouth taste bitter sands —
Grass is burning, pulse is slow —
Drip by drip my backwards growth —
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 271513
"It isn't about what you & I think, it's about what is."
Darza User ID: 341805 Netherlands 1/14/2008 4:50 PM
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