I wonder if "comet" Holmes could have been the cause of these asteroids being knocked out of some kind of normal orbit and kicking them closer to us. Hey you never know right ...i mean the TU24 asteroid near us and the other one near Mars. I wonder.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 357304 1/17/2008 9:27 PM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Asteroid 2007 TU24, due to approach Earth closest on Jan 29th, could be much more dangerous than NASA is willing to admit. Not because it is likely to impact Earth (it isn't) but because of possible electromagnetic reactions with the Earth's magnetosheath or magnetosphere.
Asteroid WD5, due to approach Mars closest the following day, Jan 30, could also exhibit some interesting effects. It is possible, if not likely, that the asteroid picked up some positive ions from Earth's magnetosphere when it came close to us on Nov 2 of last year.
Quoting: Testie 352729
Right..
So lets weaponise space and shoot some random rocks that may or may not do damage.
CHAPTER FOUR - THE DESTROYER - PART 2 - FROM THE GREAT SCROLL
O Sentinels of the Universe who watch for the Destroyer, how long will your coming vigil last? O mortal men who wait without understanding, where will you hide yourselves in the Dread Days of Doom, when the Heavens shall be torn apart and the skies rent in twain, in the days when children will turn grey-headed?
This is the thing which will be seen, this is the terror your eyes will behold, this is the form of destruction that will rush upon you: There will be the great body of fire, the glowing head with many mouths and eyes ever changing. Terrible teeth will be seen in formless mouths and a fearful dark belly will glow redly from fires inside. Even the most stout-hearted man will tremble and his bowels be loosened, for this is not a thing understandable to men.
It will be a vast sky-spanning form enwrapping Earth, burning with many hues within wide open mouths. These will descend to sweep across the face of the land, engulfing all in the yawning jaws. The greatest warriors will charge against it in vain. The fangs will fall out, and lo, they are terror-inspiring things of cold hardened water. Great boulders will be hurled down upon men, crushing them into red powder.
As the great salt waters rise up in its train and roaring torrents pour towards the land, even the heroes among mortal men will be overcome with madness. As moths fly swiftly to their doom in the burning flame, so will these men rush to their own destruction. The flames going before will devour all the works of men, the waters following will sweep away whatever remains. The dew of death will fall softly, as grey carpet over the cleared land. Men will cry out in their madness, "O whatever Being there is, save us from this tall form of terror, save us from the grey dew of death." Simplicity is the key to Heaven.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 351723 1/17/2008 11:08 PM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Bear with me, I don't know anything about the electric universe theory or law or whatever it is, I've never heard of it. I understood the bit about a plasma discharge with a near miss of Terra but how big of a charge could an asteroid carry?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311553
Picture the Earth and its Atmosphere as a Giant "Plasma Globe" (you know those glass things you touch with all the electricity and shit).
Anyway the Earth is like the "tesla coil" and the atmosphere plays the part of the glass, with electricity (lightning) bouncing in between.
2007 TU24 is like a Giant finger coming close to the glass of a giant plasma ball, so it will draw the charge from the Earth and out through the Atmosphere, just like when you touch the glass of a "Plasma Globe"
The main difference being that "Plasma Globes" do not have civilizations living inside them.......
Anonymous Coward User ID: 351723 1/17/2008 11:09 PM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Bear with me, I don't know anything about the electric universe theory or law or whatever it is, I've never heard of it. I understood the bit about a plasma discharge with a near miss of Terra but how big of a charge could an asteroid carry?
Picture the Earth and its Atmosphere as a Giant "Plasma Globe" (you know those glass things you touch with all the electricity and shit).
Anyway the Earth is like the "tesla coil" and the atmosphere plays the part of the glass, with electricity (lightning) bouncing in between.
2007 TU24 is like a Giant finger coming close to the glass of a giant plasma ball, so it will draw the charge from the Earth and out through the Atmosphere, just like when you touch the glass of a "Plasma Globe"
The main difference being that "Plasma Globes" do not have civilizations living inside them.......
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351723
I might have got that reversed, but still means the same...DDOOOOMMMM!!!!
TT User ID: 189887 1/17/2008 11:25 PM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Asteroid 2007 TU24, due to approach Earth closest on Jan 29th, could be much more dangerous than NASA is willing to admit. Not because it is likely to impact Earth (it isn't) but because of possible electromagnetic reactions with the Earth's magnetosheath or magnetosphere.
Asteroid WD5, due to approach Mars closest the following day, Jan 30, could also exhibit some interesting effects. It is possible, if not likely, that the asteroid picked up some positive ions from Earth's magnetosphere when it came close to us on Nov 2 of last year.
Quoting: Testie 352729
I have been watching these for a while now and the effects the sun and Geomatic storming solar winds Schumann resonances and the effects it has maybe considering earthquakes. I've posted a few in the last two weeks here is the information added into the recent Asteroid that passed earth.
2008 AF3 made its closest approach to earth Jan 13th 2008
0.98 LD at 0913 UTC
Notice the time of the Geomagnetic warning and the close approach of Astroid AF3
Astroid AF3
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 12 1617 UTC
ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 4
Threshold Reached: 2008 Jan 12 1616 UTC
Synoptic Period: 1500-1800 UTC
Space Weather Message Code: WARK04
Geomatic storming
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 13 1530 UTC
EXTENDED WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 4 expected
Extension to Serial Number: 1471
Valid From: 2008 Jan 12 1555 UTC
Now Valid Until: 2008 Jan 13 2359 UTC
Warning Condition: Persistence
it was extended to issues #1471 and 1472
Jan 13th extended 1473
These warnings came on Jan 5th there were 2 major quakes also 5+ after shocks
6.5 QUEEN CHARLOTTE ISLANDS REGION Date-Time Saturday, January 05, 2008 at 11:44:48 UTC
6.5 QUEEN CHARLOTTE ISLANDS REGION
Date-Time Saturday, January 05, 2008 at 11:01:05 UTC
Serial Number: 1466
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 05 0848 UTC
WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 4 expected
Valid From: 2008 Jan 05 0850 UTC
Valid To: 2008 Jan 05 1600 UTC
Warning Condition: Onset
Serial Number: 1318
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 05 0853 UTC
ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 4
Threshold Reached: 2008 Jan 05 0850 UTC
Synoptic Period: 0600-0900 UTC
Station: Boulder
Active Warning: Yes
Serial Number: 619
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 05 0933 UTC
WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 5 expected
Valid From: 2008 Jan 05 0932 UTC
Valid To: 2008 Jan 05 1600 UTC
Warning Condition: Persistence
NOAA Scale: G1 - Minor
Serial Number: 600
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 05 0933 UTC
ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 5
Threshold Reached: 2008 Jan 05 0932 UTC
Synoptic Period: 0900-1200 UTC
Station: Boulder
Active Warning: Yes
NOAA Scale: G1 - Minor
Serial Number: 1467
Issue Time: 2008 Jan 05 2056 UTC
WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 4 expected
Valid From: 2008 Jan 05 2100 UTC
Valid To: 2008 Jan 06 1600 UTC
Warning Condition: Onset
Also during the approach of the astroid we had some storming but we also had another large Quakes
Jan 9th-10th
6.1
Date-Time Wednesday, January 09, 2008 at 14:40:01 UTC
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 at 06:40:01 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 51.691°N, 131.131°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region QUEEN CHARLOTTE ISLANDS REGION
6.4
Date-Time Thursday, January 10, 2008 at 01:37:18 UTC
Wednesday, January 09, 2008 at 05:37:18 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 43.883°N, 127.228°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region OFF THE COAST OF OREGON
More weird weather coming at least, hopefully nothing catastrophic.
I think it will take more than one comet or one asteroid, and maybe more than one massive CME from the Sun, to trigger the event that is like lightning flashing from east to west across the planet.
Perhaps all the solar system activity we've had charges up the electromagnetic shield around the earth until it preaches a critical point, and then TSHTF.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 357372 1/17/2008 11:43 PM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Don't forget - all of our cellular, all of our long distance, most of the internet, and our GPS systems and anything that relates to them all runs off of sats, one way or another.
The undersea cables we maintain are barely enough to carry emergency telecom traffic in the event of a military emergency! Everything else is bounced off stats!
Take them down and we have no cell, no pager, little data for private use, and no gps at all! That's for starters!
And this kind of interference could certainly kill the sats that we have up there now. Maybe for a long long time!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 275504 1/18/2008 12:03 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Picture the Earth and its Atmosphere as a Giant "Plasma Globe" (you know those glass things you touch with all the electricity and shit).
Anyway the Earth is like the "tesla coil" and the atmosphere plays the part of the glass, with electricity (lightning) bouncing in between.
2007 TU24 is like a Giant finger coming close to the glass of a giant plasma ball, so it will draw the charge from the Earth and out through the Atmosphere, just like when you touch the glass of a "Plasma Globe"
The main difference being that "Plasma Globes" do not have civilizations living inside them.......
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351723
VERY nice illustration!
Testie User ID: 352729 (OP) 1/18/2008 12:15 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
Don't forget - all of our cellular, all of our long distance, most of the internet, and our GPS systems and anything that relates to them all runs off of sats, one way or another.
The undersea cables we maintain are barely enough to carry emergency telecom traffic in the event of a military emergency! Everything else is bounced off stats!
Take them down and we have no cell, no pager, little data for private use, and no gps at all! That's for starters!
And this kind of interference could certainly kill the sats that we have up there now. Maybe for a long long time!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325789
Sure, that's important. But compare that to earthquakes, a chaotic geosphere, massive fire balls, and other unknown effects and GPS pales in importance.
Don't forget - all of our cellular, all of our long distance, most of the internet, and our GPS systems and anything that relates to them all runs off of sats, one way or another.
The undersea cables we maintain are barely enough to carry emergency telecom traffic in the event of a military emergency! Everything else is bounced off stats!
Take them down and we have no cell, no pager, little data for private use, and no gps at all! That's for starters!
And this kind of interference could certainly kill the sats that we have up there now. Maybe for a long long time!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325789
Western civilization is very fragile in its dependence on electricity.
The Sun has the power to knock out all the grid systems
of the world at once, and we are in solar cycle that we have not seen before (except maybe the Mayans).
Combined with natural disasters, which would make it impossible to restore the grids, we would be in deep shit.
Testie User ID: 352729 (OP) 1/18/2008 12:29 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
I wonder if "comet" Holmes could have been the cause of these asteroids being knocked out of some kind of normal orbit and kicking them closer to us. Hey you never know right ...i mean the TU24 asteroid near us and the other one near Mars. I wonder.
Quoting: * <-----star of destiny 279402
Sounds very similar to what Aussie Bloke was trying to tell us.. hrmm
Testie User ID: 352729 (OP) 1/18/2008 12:33 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
"Well, how could an asteroid that small affect us from so far away?"
Comet Holmes is estimated to be much smaller than asteroid TU24.
Can you imagine the explosive power contained in Holmes to expand to 140% the size of OUR SUN?
The point is that there are other properties of heavenly objects that we do not see.
Just because we don't see it (or it's not a physical property) does not mean it could not affect us.
It is said in physics that if you release all of the potential energy in a pebble, it would be enough to blow up the universe.
About Tunguska, meteorites do not "explode", at least not with that kind of force. They break apart.
Quoting: Testie 352729
I thought Comet Holmes was 3.5 km nearly 2 miles? Larger than this one? ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
The budget should be balanced,
the Treasury should be refilled,
the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled,
and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
Cicero - 55 BC
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Testie User ID: 352729 (OP) 1/18/2008 12:39 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
By the way, when the Tunguska event happened, the Sun was at about the same point in its solar cycle (near solar minimum).
Could be the recipe for a "perfect storm".
No, we don't know what will happen.
But we will have a few days "warning" if TU24's potential.
Look out for strange lights, unusual weather patterns, earthquakes, and other electromagnetic effects for the next week.
(I'm sure you've witnessed an increase of these types of events over the last month, but perhaps we need more convincing.)
Quoting: Testie 352729
This sounds like good advice. Watch for unusual lights in the sky.
I agree it is possible NASA doesn't actually know what will happen. It is not supposed to come any closer than the moon.
With the size of that object, and the relatively fast speed, and then there is the Velikovsky effect which I think has to do with the porosity of the object, how it affects the turning, and the trajectory. I had remembered reading something about that when the Hayabusa landed on Itokawa, but can't find a good link or def. on this...
(Velikovsky effect on orbit)
I'm not really a scientist but I remember reading about this. When Itokawa was in the neighborhood, although there were "no worries," there surely was a lot of tinkering around with Itokawa.
Do you think there is something to this negatively charged concept?
By the way, when the Tunguska event happened, the Sun was at about the same point in its solar cycle (near solar minimum).
Could be the recipe for a "perfect storm".
No, we don't know what will happen.
But we will have a few days "warning" if TU24's potential.
Look out for strange lights, unusual weather patterns, earthquakes, and other electromagnetic effects for the next week.
(I'm sure you've witnessed an increase of these types of events over the last month, but perhaps we need more convincing.)
What about brain lightning and headaches that last several days?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357394
And super incredibly loud ringing in the ears!
And dammit, I blew out yet another light bulb tonight. That's the 4th bulb and one entire lamp in less than a month. CONDEMNATION without INVESTIGATION is the HIGHEST form of IGNORANCE
Anonymous Coward User ID: 234032 1/18/2008 12:41 AM
Re: Electromagnetic effects of asteroid TU24 on Jan 29th, 2008
I thought Comet Holmes was 3.5 km nearly 2 miles? Larger than this one?
Quoting: Tangwystyl
Comets are usually 'sponge dust' and there are varying estimates as to the size of this thing. I took a low estimate because this asteroid is most likely not a 'sponge' made of dust like comet Holmes.
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