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Hackers Cut Cities' Power

 
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Cyber-security experts have long warned of the vulnerability of critical infrastructure like power, transportation and water systems to malicious hackers. Friday, those warnings quietly became a reality: Tom Donahue, a CIA official, revealed at the SANS security trade conference in New Orleans that hackers have penetrated power systems in several regions outside the U.S., and "in at least one case, caused a power outage affecting multiple cities."

"We do not know who executed these attacks or why, but all involved intrusions through the Internet," Donahue said in a statement. "We suspect, but cannot confirm, that some of these attackers had the benefit of inside knowledge."

Other details were murky: Donahue didn't say when or where the cyber attacks had occurred, or how many people had been affected. He also glossed over what element of the systems had been exploited.

In recent months, security researchers have emphasized long-standing security vulnerabilities in the Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) systems that control U.S. critical infrastructure systems ranging from power plants to dams to public transit (See "America's Hackable Backbone").

At the DefCon hacker conference in August, researcher Ganesh Devarajan of the security firm Tipping Point gave a presentation showing techniques that hackers can use to find points in SCADA systems that are vulnerable to hijacking and sabotage. The next month, the Associated Press obtained a U.S. Department of Homeland Security video, known as the "Aurora Generator Test," demonstrating how a cyber-intrusion could be used to physically destroy a large power generator.

In the past two years, hackers have in fact successfully penetrated and extorted multiple utility companies that use SCADA systems, says Alan Paller, director of the SANS Institute, an organization that hosts a crisis center for hacked companies. "Hundreds of millions of dollars have been extorted, and possibly more. It's difficult to know, because they pay to keep it a secret," Paller says. "This kind of extortion is the biggest untold story of the cybercrime industry."

Paller told Forbes.com in June that he expected those incidents to increase, and warned that a botched extortion attempt could lead to accidental damage. "There's been very active and sophisticated chatter in the hacker community, trading exploits on how to break through capabilities on these systems," he said. "That kind of chatter usually precedes bad things happening."

Cyber-extortion and its collateral damage aren't new, says Bruce Schneier, chief technology officer for security firm BT Counterpane. He says that offshore-hosted Web sites, most often offering pornography and gambling, are frequent victims of hacker extortion. Targeting power companies, however, is a new wrinkle, he says.

But Schneier suggests that security researchers shouldn't assume that SCADA was the weak link in the power system attacks revealed Friday. If, as the CIA suggests, the penetration involved "inside knowledge" of the system, it may have been performed by an employee with administrative access. "How much of this is a computer vulnerability, how much is a human vulnerability?" he asks. "I wouldn't jump to any conclusions."

Regardless of the tactics used to hack the foreign power systems, he warns that the U.S. has no special immunity. "There's nothing magical about a system being in the U.S.," he says. "The same vulnerabilities are everywhere."

The SANS Institute’s Paller, who says Donahue had carefully considered the decision to reveal the power grid attacks, believes the CIA made its revelation with American security in mind. “My sense is that they wouldn't have disclosed this if they thought the problem had been fixed,” he says.

[link to www.forbes.com]
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01/19/2008 03:21 AM
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Cyber attackers...gaining access thru the Internet? Looks like the Internet is the bad boy dejour. Look for restrictions to access and for increased control by TPTB. They are setting it up, especially with that damned HR1955 and that entire "homegrown radical" bullshit.

The alternative news sources are fixin' to get shut down because they allow TRUTH to be spread.
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01/19/2008 03:22 AM
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I watched a documentary on this last month...PBS possibly. I can't remember. They were exposing the massive computer and tech vulnerabilities of our grids. Looks like they were on target with the message.

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And so it begins...
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I've read several of them have a penchant for overstaying their visas...
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I watched a documentary on this last month...PBS possibly. I can't remember. They were exposing the massive computer and tech vulnerabilities of our grids. Looks like they were on target with the message.

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Screw that, the power companies and like need to setup fail safe systems with their infrastructure.

The Internet shouldn't suffer because the IT nerds at the power company can't figure out how do this.

The problem isn't the Internet, the problem is having critical systems connected to the Internet without fail safes.

The same could be said of telephone lines.

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in ex USSR you had a secret code to control power substations over the powerline itself.


interesting enough the communication protocol was almost freely available to anyone caring enough to check Leninsky lib.
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And so it begins...
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oh for the fucking love of god!
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And so it begins...


oh for the fucking love of god!
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Hey! I was being serious this time.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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Cyber attackers...gaining access thru the Internet? Looks like the Internet is the bad boy dejour. Look for restrictions to access and for increased control by TPTB. They are setting it up, especially with that damned HR1955 and that entire "homegrown radical" bullshit.

The alternative news sources are fixin' to get shut down because they allow TRUTH to be spread.
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Set up is right. Next, the Mossad fucks with the grid and Arabs get blamed.
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let's get those hackers to work for the good of humanity
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Cyber attackers...gaining access thru the Internet? Looks like the Internet is the bad boy dejour. Look for restrictions to access and for increased control by TPTB. They are setting it up, especially with that damned HR1955 and that entire "homegrown radical" bullshit.

The alternative news sources are fixin' to get shut down because they allow TRUTH to be spread.


Set up is right. Next, the Mossad fucks with the grid and Arabs get blamed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284299

Not the Mossad (whom you guys give WAY too much credit btw) and not the Arabs. More likely a U.S. agency and blame going to U.S. citizens. Hence reenforcement of the "homegrown radical bullshit". ;)
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Justice William O. Douglas

"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first is excellent, the second good, and the third useless."
--Niccolò Machiavelli

"I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"
--Robert Frost

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I watched a documentary on this last month...PBS possibly. I can't remember. They were exposing the massive computer and tech vulnerabilities of our grids. Looks like they were on target with the message.

.


Screw that, the power companies and like need to setup fail safe systems with their infrastructure.

The Internet shouldn't suffer because the IT nerds at the power company can't figure out how do this.

The problem isn't the Internet, the problem is having critical systems connected to the Internet without fail safes.

The same could be said of telephone lines.

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 322259


That was exactly what this whistle blower, if you will, was stating. They discussed how the systems were configured (basic overview), the current vulnerabilities and the quite simple technical solutions.

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Do you guys think that if a hacker were to do that here in the US, would it be done for the thrill of it or for actual terrorist-related reasons. I mean, I think it would be the ultimate hacker's wet dream to cause a major outage. Not that it matters, of course, because the end result is the same...
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01/19/2008 04:50 AM
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Hmm....Anyone see the leatest Die Hard movie?

Cutting the power grid was right after turning all the traffic lights to green, right?
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And the dumbshits connect their computers to Internet.
I hope they know China has vast amount of hackers working on military pay.
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in ex USSR you had a secret code to control power substations over the powerline itself.


interesting enough the communication protocol was almost freely available to anyone caring enough to check Leninsky lib.
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Actually the same principle is the basis of Internet-over-powerline technology, albeit in different frequencies.
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This is all part of the plan to get the Internet taken down, then replaced with a strictly monitored and government-controlled "Internet 2.0".
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So far, everyone´s reaction to this article seems to be the same, except for the last poster.

Which leads me to believe that everybody is wrong except the last poster.

When an article comes out in the media, you have to understand that they are writing it to get a certain reaction.

And it looks like they succeeded. Everyone seems to think the internet is dangerous and they cant protect our big services that are connected to it.

Remember, the emotional reaction you get after reading an article is most likely the emotional reaction they WANT you to get!!!
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Problem, reaction, solution. Kiss your internet, as you know it, Goodbye!
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So far, everyone´s reaction to this article seems to be the same, except for the last poster.

Which leads me to believe that everybody is wrong except the last poster.

When an article comes out in the media, you have to understand that they are writing it to get a certain reaction.

And it looks like they succeeded. Everyone seems to think the internet is dangerous and they cant protect our big services that are connected to it.

Remember, the emotional reaction you get after reading an article is most likely the emotional reaction they WANT you to get!!!
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don't bother dude it's futile.

nobody cares.

remember, guns kill people, spoons make you fat and pencils make your spelling go bad.

also remember the people that just read without posting comments however, among them you could probably expect a similar ratio of people who get it and people who do not.

have fun.
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So far, everyone´s reaction to this article seems to be the same, except for the last poster.

Which leads me to believe that everybody is wrong except the last poster.

When an article comes out in the media, you have to understand that they are writing it to get a certain reaction.

And it looks like they succeeded. Everyone seems to think the internet is dangerous and they cant protect our big services that are connected to it.

Remember, the emotional reaction you get after reading an article is most likely the emotional reaction they WANT you to get!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357971


Actually, a few of us were discussing failsafe measures and not the "dangerous internet", but you would know that if you had read the thread.

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i don´t think it is futile. You can see the change already. One by one they will awaken... then faster and faster, more and more, until the tipping point is reached and its all downhill from there.
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discussing failsafe measures is exactly what the article was intended to do... make you scared of the internet.
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Problem, reaction, solution. Kiss your internet, as you know it, Goodbye!
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Like any of us dumb asses here can infiltrate a power grid.

Just keep pointing to the players who can take a grid down...

The Problem:

Mossad hacks, US Government hacks, IT Insiders and Power Company Insiders.

The Reaction:

Light upon these perpe..traitors.

The Solution:

Education of the mass of humanity. Always educate, always enlighten, always the truth.
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You Fucks will beLIEve everything your told! What a bunch of fucking morons!!!!!!!!!
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TPTB can easily cause a grid failure
and blame it on hackers.
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This smells fishy, if hackers can get in to damage a power grid then also foreign powers could covertly damage our power grid, the latter I doubt could happen unless we want it to! Why spend trillions ovr years for defense and leave the country vulnerable to power grid attacks. Folks the US goverment has gotto be prepared for this kind of attack and you can bet it is. Hey the US probably learned about these vulnerabilities by poking around our enemies power grid control systems. Give the good guys a break!
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TPTB can easily cause a grid failure
and blame it on hackers.
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Someone with a brain actually resides here? I'm impressed!
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This is all part of the plan to get the Internet taken down, then replaced with a strictly monitored and government-controlled "Internet 2.0".
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Thats what they like to do, but they be left with USAnet and other countries will just reroute to Europe and not be monitored by fascists in AT&T centers.
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This is all part of the plan to get the Internet taken down, then replaced with a strictly monitored and government-controlled "Internet 2.0".

Thats what they like to do, but they be left with USAnet and other countries will just reroute to Europe and not be monitored by fascists in AT&T centers.
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