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Is the "old word" for a psychic a "sorcerer?" and if so, is being a psychic sinful?

 
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Is the "old word" for a psychic a "sorcerer?" and if so, is being a psychic sinful?
Is the "old word" for a psychic a "sorcerer?" and if so, is being a psychic sinful?

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Deuteronomy 18:10-14
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.
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Also, what if it's an ability that has been with you since birth?
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"sor·cer·y

the art, practices, or spells of a person who is supposed to exercise supernatural powers through the aid of evil spirits; black magic; witchery. "






as with intent, it depends on the source.
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"sor·cer·y

the art, practices, or spells of a person who is supposed to exercise supernatural powers through the aid of evil spirits; black magic; witchery. "






as with intent, it depends on the source.
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what if just pops in your mind without effort?
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"sor·cer·y

the art, practices, or spells of a person who is supposed to exercise supernatural powers through the aid of evil spirits; black magic; witchery. "






as with intent, it depends on the source.
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Example, think of a number 1-9 and I will try to guess it....

ok?
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let me know when you have a number....ok?
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Intentionally seeking out and calling up dark spirits to aid you in sorcery, is not the same as something 'just popping' into your head.
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Intentionally seeking out and calling up dark spirits to aid you in sorcery, is not the same as something 'just popping' into your head.
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right, that's what I thought
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the Holy Spirit isn't into parlor tricks
if this gift is not used for God's use
it becomes a misuse
and that is rebellion
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Magician

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oh thank god for this post...when you have an ability like that and you know things...how do you know if it is holy or evil - imagine not even knowing if you are on the good side? so scarey...I was raised catholic and prayed every nite before bed, hail mary, our father...every nite!!! and then this started happening and all I can think is is this the great deception??? but there's no turning it off...and what if its the devil and not god..?
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Re: Is the "old word" for a psychic a "sorcerer?" and if so, is being a psychic sinful?
never receive curses
which is a knowing of something bad that will happen
those are only revealed
in order for you to pray that the bad will NOT happen
never agree with a bad prediction
pray and ask God to show you why you know certain things
and only do or say what He shows you
don't think that you can manage this gift on your own
because you can't
only God can show you how to proceed
being humble
and learning to be led by the Holy Spirit
is your only recourse
otherwise, it could drive you crazy
or make you into a person who agrees with evil
which is a sad place to be
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If you're infused with God's word and you find yourself able to do supernatural things that Jesus himself did, as He said we would be able to do...and more...


then you're not working with the dark side.
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just
never agree with a curse
and you'll be far ahead of any psychic
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so ignore what i see that is evil? don't look right? hear no evil speak no evil? the good things I see are as amazingly beautiful as the dark is terrifying....
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

psychic

SYLLABICATION: psy·chic
PRONUNCIATION: skk
NOUN: 1. A person apparently responsive to psychic forces. 2. See medium (sense 6).
ADJECTIVE: also psy·chi·cal (-k-kl) 1. Of, relating to, affecting, or influenced by the human mind or psyche; mental: psychic trauma; psychic energy. 2a. Capable of extraordinary mental processes, such as extrasensory perception and mental telepathy. b. Of or relating to such mental processes.
ETYMOLOGY: From Greek pskhikos, of the soul, from pskh, soul. See bhes- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: psychi·cal·ly —ADVERB




The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.


Appendix I

Indo-European Roots

ENTRY: bhes-
DEFINITION: To breathe. Probably imitative. Zero-grade form *bhs-. psyche1, psychic, psycho-; metempsychosis, from Greek pskh, spirit, soul, from pskhein (< *bhs--kh-), to breathe. (Pokorny 2. bhes- 146.)
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so ignore what i see that is evil? don't look right? hear no evil speak no evil? the good things I see are as amazingly beautiful as the dark is terrifying....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349092

don't ignore evil
pray the antidote
you can find the anwer to any evil in the scriptures
as an example
if you see suffering orphans
you can pray a psalm for them
which says that God will put the fatherless into families

don't collapse in despair
that is an avoidance of making a postive response to your gift
you will get stronger as you make an attempt to apply God's medicine to the problems you see
never let evil manipulate you
whether it comes thru people
or situations
stand strong on truth and integrity
and trust God to keep you safe
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I am a Spiritual warrior and have been for over 30 years. I understand all aspects of occult. psychic abilities does not stream from the occult so to say, but is a remnant of what was lost during the fall. I believe that psychic abilities were first infused into Adam to help take care of the garden and the animal kingdom that he was given charge over. This ability is a part of the mind. Adam I believe had 100% use of his mind. During the fall Adam also (as well as mankind) lost over 90% use of their mind, and thus the powers that the mind can exhibit. Psychic abilities have been used to develop occult powers and energies, but there is nothing "evil" in the ability itself.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Is the "old word" for a psychic a "sorcerer?" and if so, is being a psychic sinful?

I found this...


Deuteronomy 18:10-14
10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.
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In Your Belief:

(John)
14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.

14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also.

14:20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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heres my thoughts.......many will disagree and ....that's ok.

One cannot help being psychic therefore, it cannot be a sin....they were born that way with a gift. ...if it is god givin how can it be a sin? It becomes a sin when people start charging money and using their abilities for sinful causes.

Greed being pretty sinful, psychics should not be charging people for services ...that would be when thse abilities becomes evil.

The bible says they shold not tell the future.."black arts' so to speak...however..who's to say phychics are not suppose to be prophets.......?? They have the ability to prophesise about the times to come???? who's to say the so called prophets were not phychics themselves ...they did have visions ya know...


Maybe that's what these abilities are for....good. Would God give someone a "bad" gift?
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~ Dr. Seuss
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I am a Spiritual warrior and have been for over 30 years. I understand all aspects of occult. psychic abilities does not stream from the occult so to say, but is a remnant of what was lost during the fall. I believe that psychic abilities were first infused into Adam to help take care of the garden and the animal kingdom that he was given charge over. This ability is a part of the mind. Adam I believe had 100% use of his mind. During the fall Adam also (as well as mankind) lost over 90% use of their mind, and thus the powers that the mind can exhibit. Psychic abilities have been used to develop occult powers and energies, but there is nothing "evil" in the ability itself.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


I generally agree with you here, but I think that any "residual" psychic tendancies are part of the old man (or flesh) that needs to be served the virtual death sentence in Christ. I personally would not advise fostering any such talents. . .whatever part of a person remains unredeemed is a potential playground for unclean spirits, fallen beings, negative energies, or whatever you wish to call them.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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some people have a hard time discerning between gifts of the Holy Spirit and soul abilities
if God gives you an ability
it is good
and it's important to pray alot
and let Him teach you about that gift
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Of the things mentioned that offend God, I'd say "a medium" fits best. Authority is always afraid of psychic ability because it's a vulnerability for them to have people running around who can see the truth. So authority always seeks to suppress, frighten and punish those with this ability. The form it took then was for the church to prohibit it, calling it "sin". In the modern world this tactic is still used, it even scares you. You put the word of your religion above a natural ability that you have that nobody else can explain to you better than you understand it yourself, because it's YOUR personal perception. That says worlds about how conditioned people are to be subservient and in fear. It makes me sad for you. Anyway in the modern world another tactic that is used is to call psychic people crazy new age weirdos and ostracize and humiliate them by making fun of their intuition. Also the criticism is especially strong from men -- they are conditioned to see psychic ability as feminine and this is a remnant of the witch burning times but also it's a wedge issue that religion and other authority groups use to drive between the sexes.

I believe that everyone has psychic ability and that it's kind of a big secret that not too many people have caught on to yet! Mostly because they're all scared or cowed or humiliated or conditioned into thinking it just couldn't be.

But it is. The reason it's discouraged is because if everyone knew about it and used it, crooks and crime would be quickly exposed, and who are the biggest crooks of all? People in religion and government. You betcha. We'd all see through all their lies immediately and those structures would dissolve. They would be ended. And people would be so free.
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"sor·cer·y

the art, practices, or spells of a person who is supposed to exercise supernatural powers through the aid of evil spirits; black magic; witchery. "






as with intent, it depends on the source.
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Jesus was accused of sorcery and many prophets were too.


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maybe we stifle our spiritual abilities
out of fear of rejection
or persecution?
if enough people do that
it becomes rare to see these gifts in operation
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Of the things mentioned that offend God, I'd say "a medium" fits best. Authority is always afraid of psychic ability because it's a vulnerability for them to have people running around who can see the truth. So authority always seeks to suppress, frighten and punish those with this ability. The form it took then was for the church to prohibit it, calling it "sin". In the modern world this tactic is still used, it even scares you. You put the word of your religion above a natural ability that you have that nobody else can explain to you better than you understand it yourself, because it's YOUR personal perception. That says worlds about how conditioned people are to be subservient and in fear. It makes me sad for you. Anyway in the modern world another tactic that is used is to call psychic people crazy new age weirdos and ostracize and humiliate them by making fun of their intuition. Also the criticism is especially strong from men -- they are conditioned to see psychic ability as feminine and this is a remnant of the witch burning times but also it's a wedge issue that religion and other authority groups use to drive between the sexes.

I believe that everyone has psychic ability and that it's kind of a big secret that not too many people have caught on to yet! Mostly because they're all scared or cowed or humiliated or conditioned into thinking it just couldn't be.

But it is. The reason it's discouraged is because if everyone knew about it and used it, crooks and crime would be quickly exposed, and who are the biggest crooks of all? People in religion and government. You betcha. We'd all see through all their lies immediately and those structures would dissolve. They would be ended. And people would be so free.
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Very true and especially the religions. The religious leaders don't wish to lose their jobs by telling everyone they can have a direct communion. Some are naturally in tune and some develop the faculty just like some are natural musicians and artists.

The bible is very clear about the spiritual gifts that God bestows.

1 Corinthians 12

Spiritual Gifts

1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues]? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[e] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.

1 Corinthians 14

Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.


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The Christian Tradition is one of total control. You cannot have control over people that have the full use of their natural abilities.

So they were named evil and hidden from us all.

The evil is in continuing to follow a tradition that harms, such as Christianity.
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i follow Christ
not manmade churchianity
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the bible is full of contradictions
most of the chapters are credited to psychics or as the bible calls them prophets.
If you are truly gifted then you know the answer to this question in your heart.
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i have read the bible
for over 40 years
maybe
the longer you read it
the more sense it makes

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