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Rectilineator experiment of 1897 prooves the earth is concave, and we live in it

 
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Yes, they made a level brass & mahogany structure piecing together 12 foot sections. But they also referenced it to the ocean. That is the step you are not doing. The ocean was what they were actually measuring; the structure was just the measuring device.

You said "... then start adding sections to that first section at right angles and eventually you will see the sections going towards the Earth or away from it ..." but you cannot just compare it to the desert surface, because you cannot assume that surface is uniform. That is why I said to use a quiet lake.
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Yes they measured the rise/decline of the T-sections using the caissons every 1/8th of a Mile - all I am saying is that given you are on a flat surface you could also determine the curvature using the same methods without having to reference the ocean.

Should work on a perfectly flat surface like a salt desert.

Also I am thinking you could do this on a Airport runway.

In any case I get the point and am thinking of doing this myself with a few friends.
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No, you are making assumptions here:

"perfectly flat surface like a salt desert" - who says it's perfectly flat and follows the curvature of the Earth?

"Airport runway" - Since that is a paved surface only 8000 ft long, it probably was artificially leveled and does not reflect the curvature of the Earth.
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No, you are making assumptions here:

"perfectly flat surface like a salt desert" - who says it's perfectly flat and follows the curvature of the Earth?

"Airport runway" - Since that is a paved surface only 8000 ft long, it probably was artificially leveled and does not reflect the curvature of the Earth.
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We will see.

In any case I am going to make it happen sooner or later.
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No, you are making assumptions here:

"perfectly flat surface like a salt desert" - who says it's perfectly flat and follows the curvature of the Earth?

"Airport runway" - Since that is a paved surface only 8000 ft long, it probably was artificially leveled and does not reflect the curvature of the Earth.
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We will see.

In any case I am going to make it happen sooner or later.
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I suggest that you do the experiment. But make sure you know what you're doing. For example, study surveying equipment and techniques.

Don't be like some of these clowns on Youtube that think they're going to prove something, ask people for donations, and then find out too late that they don't have a clue what they're doing.

The original experiment took 5 months to set up by a professional surveyor and a crew. That does not include building the equipment.
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OK I have now read most of Cellular Cosmology - its available online as PDF. It is surprisingly modern and rather easy to understand.

Very strange not more came from this in the sense of other scientists trying to replicate.

If you are interested in this topic I highly recommend reading that book.
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"The rectilineator experiment, if actually conducted, was still flawed- you can't measure one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature, because that is making an inference that cannot be proven in and of itself."

Those words were not spoken by or typed up by Dave Eager.


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"The rectilineator experiment, if actually conducted, was still flawed- you can't measure one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature, because that is making an inference that cannot be proven in and of itself."

Those words were not spoken by or typed up by Dave Eager.


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"if actually conducted" ?

Why would someone even question if the experiment was conducted given all the witnesses and press coverage and the ample documentation of the experiment?

Makes no sense. Also the premise that you cannot measure "one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature" is rubbish.

They created a perfectly leveled air line and forced it mechanically for 4 miles to see if the deviation generated actually matched the accepted understanding of the general curvature of the Earth. The conducted the experiment in such a way that the line was forced regardless of terrain and tide.

So no I disagree with that statement which sounds like dismissal before examination.
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"The rectilineator experiment, if actually conducted, was still flawed- you can't measure one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature, because that is making an inference that cannot be proven in and of itself."

Those words were not spoken by or typed up by Dave Eager.


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"... you can't measure one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature, because that is making an inference that cannot be proven in and of itself."

Keep in mind that the "one little part" was the ocean at the coastline. (The linear wooden structure was referenced to the ocean.) Perhaps there was some local anomaly due to the tides?

I know that they filtered the variation of the tides with the caissons, but that is not what I am talking about.

Perhaps the convexity they measured was due to the effect of the Moon on the tidal basin? Perhaps if they measured the ocean far away from the shore, they would obtain a different measurement?

I think a large quiet lake is a better choice than a seashore, although you may have to get your feet wet.
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"... you can't measure one little part of the earth and extrapolate off of that that the whole earth would continue in that trend of curvature, because that is making an inference that cannot be proven in and of itself."

Keep in mind that the "one little part" was the ocean at the coastline. (The linear wooden structure was referenced to the ocean.) Perhaps there was some local anomaly due to the tides?

I know that they filtered the variation of the tides with the caissons, but that is not what I am talking about.

Perhaps the convexity they measured was due to the effect of the Moon on the tidal basin? Perhaps if they measured the ocean far away from the shore, they would obtain a different measurement?

I think a large quiet lake is a better choice than a seashore, although you may have to get your feet wet.
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An anomaly that exactly matches a perfect curvature that matches the currently eaccepted circumferance of the Earth?

Unlikely.
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Looks like they are actually going to do the experiment on South Padre Island in Texas - I saw a video of the caissons being built a few days ago.



Best of luck to them...
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Looks like they are actually going to do the experiment on South Padre Island in Texas - I saw a video of the caissons being built a few days ago.

Best of luck to them...
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Wouldn't a quiet lake be easier? No caissons required.
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Looks like they are actually going to do the experiment on South Padre Island in Texas - I saw a video of the caissons being built a few days ago.

Best of luck to them...
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Wouldn't a quiet lake be easier? No caissons required.
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Makes sense. Not sure why a lake was not chosen. In any case it will be interesting to follow.
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If anyone reading this has information on the current Rectilineator experiment being conducted on South Padre Island in Texas please post/update here.

I have seen some users posting that are actively participating please confirm.
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:bump;
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Update 10/13

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Re: Rectilineator experiment of 1897 prooves the earth is concave, and we live in it
ever play leap frog?
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The "Lake Pontchartrain Causeway" is the longest bridge over water. It is over 20 miles long (23.83 miles) near New Orleans, Louisiana.

This bridge is constructed on concrete pilings and is 60 feet above the water level.

According to Wolfram Alpha dot com, the horizontal curvature for 23.8 miles is 377.3 feet. (Wolfram Alpha uses a fancy trig formula. The "rough calculation" of 8 inches per mile squared gives 377.6 feet, which is virtually the same number.)

Does the "Lake Pontchartrain Causeway" show a curvature of 377 feet?
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bump for news

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Weeks away now?
Material will be machined aluminum.

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I fear the guys are biased. Concave earth people seem to be acting crazy and like its their baby so I dont think they will admit if they are wrong.
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I fear the guys are biased. Concave earth people seem to be acting crazy and like its their baby so I dont think they will admit if they are wrong.
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After all this publicity, if you don't hear anything soon, it may mean that they found something different than what they were looking for!
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I fear the guys are biased. Concave earth people seem to be acting crazy and like its their baby so I dont think they will admit if they are wrong.
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After all this publicity, if you don't hear anything soon, it may mean that they found something different than what they were looking for!
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This will take a long time yet. They haven't even got a prototype yet. And the metal when it arrived was defective so they had to send it back.
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I fear the guys are biased. Concave earth people seem to be acting crazy and like its their baby so I dont think they will admit if they are wrong.
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After all this publicity, if you don't hear anything soon, it may mean that they found something different than what they were looking for!
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This will take a long time yet. They haven't even got a prototype yet. And the metal when it arrived was defective so they had to send it back.
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take the Rectilineator Questionaire....

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(In Beavis voice): Heh-heh-heh... You said rectilinear... Heh-heh-heh.
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PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP
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This is where it's at now. Peace.






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