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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

 
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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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Dear you,

I hope you will come back with your honest opinion as to what I have answered to you.

Please, believe me, that what I wrote was not intended to be an unfriendly answer to you.

I have myself experienced much scorn because of being what I was and still am, so I have learnt that it is sheer stupidity to overlook a fellow human being, even with his or her shortcomings, since everyone has a part to impart of the total knowledge of humanity.

So, please, do not misunderstand me!

Let our conversation be that of respect for one another as human beings and brothers and sisters. Woe, this reminds me of all my failures through the years of my life!

Best wishes
from PehJeshuah
who the Lord brought to the gates of hell
from where he heard the fate of iniquity.

Woe to me if I do not get across to you to tell you the eternal truth of God as revealed to me for that aim, that you one day may praise our God, for such is my sorrow and wish!
PehJeshuah
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11/15/2012 04:24 PM
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Re: I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!
Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 Quoting: waterman


Hello,

The words that you quote in bold face letters, would you please tell what you think they mean!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
 Quoting: waterman


My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 Quoting: waterman


Hello,

The words that you quote in bold face letters, would you please tell what you think they mean!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


It clearly shows that the two kingdoms of Israel, the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom are going to be reunited by Gods servant in the end....this hasn't happened yet so we know it is an end time event..God will not just abandon 10 tribes(man would say "forget about them 2 is good enough) but God will save all of Israel and you can clearly see it in Ezekiel 37
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus

That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus

That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman,
This doesn't resognate at all with what I have learned (through prayer and study) to be the "truth" in Holy Scripture so I checked out a couple other of your threads....I find you to miss the mark.

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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus

That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
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Waterman,
This doesn't resognate at all with what I have learned (through prayer and study) to be the "truth" in Holy Scripture so I checked out a couple other of your threads....I find you to miss the mark.

RockyMtnLady
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Resonate** sorry, don't have the "edit" function.
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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus

That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman,
This doesn't resognate at all with what I have learned (through prayer and study) to be the "truth" in Holy Scripture so I checked out a couple other of your threads....I find you to miss the mark.

RockyMtnLady
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Long as you know Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross for sins and to those who believe and repent have received salvation, the rest don't matter. I just like people to know they are deceived if they think the war of Gog and Magog is against tiny geographical Israel. Russia would not need china to nuke tiny Israel, on the other hand if the Israel that is being described is spiritual Israel(united states) china would be helpful....Jesus saves
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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
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My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
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My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

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The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 Quoting: waterman


Hello,

I notice that you try to avoid my quotations from Scripture. Why so? Here they are, so what is your answer?

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Greetings from
PehJeshuah

What else you have written afterwards I will refute with Scripture later on! But now I challenge you with these quotes of mine that you try to avoid! I am not giving you the chance to sneak away!
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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.

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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


"Daughter of Zion" is not the United States as you claim and believe. We are not that special.

RockyMtnLady
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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


"Daughter of Zion" is not the United States as you claim and believe. We are not that special.

RockyMtnLady
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The united states is the land of milk and honey and that is what God promised the children of Israel.....you don't have to agree right now but know this when the united states is judged because it has turned from God and survivors of the destruction are carried away captive, know that God will raise up a deliverer 42 months from that time...this judgement is "the day of the lord" and I look for it to come in less than a year
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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


"Daughter of Zion" is not the United States as you claim and believe. We are not that special.

RockyMtnLady
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Why is it saying your hidden ones if we can see Israel, because it is spiritual Israel(untited states)....if the lost 10 tribes can be destroyed then there will be no two houses of Israel joined and the name of Israel will be no more
psalms 83:3:
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


"Daughter of Zion" is not the United States as you claim and believe. We are not that special.

RockyMtnLady
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The united states is the land of milk and honey and that is what God promised the children of Israel.....you don't have to agree right now but know this when the united states is judged because it has turned from God and survivors of the destruction are carried away captive, know that God will raise up a deliverer 42 months from that time...this judgement is "the day of the lord" and I look for it to come in less than a year
 Quoting: waterman


It's funny because I believe in portions of what you say but others I do not. I believe the USA will be judged because it has promoted false religion and that, God will deal with. But, I believe you are off the mark on your time frames and your belief that the US is the "land of milk and honey." I do, however, believe that big change will be happening quickly....

RockyMtnLady
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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


"Daughter of Zion" is not the United States as you claim and believe. We are not that special.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420

The united states is the land of milk and honey and that is what God promised the children of Israel.....you don't have to agree right now but know this when the united states is judged because it has turned from God and survivors of the destruction are carried away captive, know that God will raise up a deliverer 42 months from that time...this judgement is "the day of the lord" and I look for it to come in less than a year
 Quoting: waterman


It's funny because I believe in portions of what you say but others I do not. I believe the USA will be judged because it has promoted false religion and that, God will deal with. But, I believe you are off the mark on your time frames and your belief that the US is the "land of milk and honey." I do, however, believe that big change will be happening quickly....

RockyMtnLady
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There is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation, revelation 2:10 shows that:.....the 10 days of tribulation are 10 years or 42 months added in front of the 7 year trib



10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


The united states is the land of milk and honey it is the greatest nation the world will ever see until the new heaven and new earth come

my thread on the last day servant...there are two witnesses but the 2nd is always greater than the first, example (Aaron and Moses, John and Jesus, steven and paul...etc:

Thread: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel

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Let it be known all whom beare false witness shall mourn.
 Quoting: Spiritoftruth111 26530436


Therefore, my friend, let us always speak the truth, and let us therefore always base everythng we say be said on the firm foundation of the truth given to us by God!

I am glad that you agree with me, that false witnesses will mourn in the end. Thank you for your support!

And thank you for being honest!

Greetings from
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Ye are not of those whom will be called as the two witnesses. Ye beare false witness whom I am will be known in the day of thunder and lightning. Repent before that time lest what is written by the prophets come upon you.

lead not my sheep astray.
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Let it be known all whom beare false witness shall mourn.
 Quoting: Spiritoftruth111 26530436


Therefore, my friend, let us always speak the truth, and let us therefore always base everythng we say be said on the firm foundation of the truth given to us by God!

I am glad that you agree with me, that false witnesses will mourn in the end. Thank you for your support!

And thank you for being honest!

Greetings from
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Ye are not of those whom will be called as the two witnesses. Ye beare false witness whom I am will be known in the day of thunder and lightning. Repent before that time lest what is written by the prophets come upon you.

lead not my sheep astray.
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and you are?
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Let it be known all whom beare false witness shall mourn.
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Therefore, my friend, let us always speak the truth, and let us therefore always base everythng we say be said on the firm foundation of the truth given to us by God!

I am glad that you agree with me, that false witnesses will mourn in the end. Thank you for your support!

And thank you for being honest!

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Ye are not of those whom will be called as the two witnesses. Ye beare false witness whom I am will be known in the day of thunder and lightning. Repent before that time lest what is written by the prophets come upon you.

lead not my sheep astray.
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and you are?
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C'mon don't be bashful and if you know me. I don't bite. Might have a few questions though. I know you're busy

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This thread reminds me of when I worked at the mental health institute. There was one patient that thought he was God and there was another patient that thought he was Jesus, and they would constantly say to each other: "your not my son and the other would say your not my dad"...if you testify of your self your witness is not true. Jesus himself said this.
John 5:31:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

so sorry self proclaimers your witness is not true

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PehJeshua,

The Lord is giving a chance to repent of your robbing Him of His glory. If you choose not to let God Himself without assisting Him, the freedom that you have experienced shall be reduced to the Internet as your authority.

Authority is what you have so badly desired your family has suffered as a result of a direction that the Lord has directed you towards.

The only thing that He has given to you is arrogance and disobedience as i clearly is what you're showing off to other people.

PehJeshua, if every day you came without an agenda, and just worshipped Him and only asked Him to increase your low for Him, you would see such greater things happen; life changing circumstances would become every day occuranes, your emotions would take on His emotions-- this would completely turn your attention completely outward instead of your clinging to your feelings as your decision-maker.

In regards to your thinking you have chosen as one of the 2 Revelations witnesses and to answer your question regarding prophets and witnesses-

Any one who truly desires to follow Christian doctrine but isn't willing to sit down at His feet understands little and will he shove his opinions to other people, but this will bring confusion to groups of people- and GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION....

Perjeshua, perhaps you didnt plan on spending as much time repeatedly reminding others on this website that you're God's chosen end time witness, or maybe you didn't think about this- but if Satan has quoted the scriptures to Jesus, have you ever considered the voice you have heard is not the devil's voice but rather the DNA of satan that comes out in the form of arrogance and pride?

If you take these words to heart, the next few days will bless you tremendously; however should you refuse to lay down your own way of doing things, in the days ahead as difficulties arise, the plans the Lord has to steer you out of these difficulties will (along with His hand of protection over you) will removed......
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This thread reminds me of when I worked at the mental health institute. There was one patient that thought he was God and there was another patient that thought he was Jesus, and they would constantly say to each other: "your not my son and the other would say your not my dad"...if you testify of your self your witness is not true. Jesus himself said this.
John 5:31:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

so sorry self proclaimers your witness is not true
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Let him come back. I have been reading some of his threads. They're actually pretty interesting
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This thread reminds me of when I worked at the mental health institute. There was one patient that thought he was God and there was another patient that thought he was Jesus, and they would constantly say to each other: "your not my son and the other would say your not my dad"...if you testify of your self your witness is not true. Jesus himself said this.
John 5:31:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

so sorry self proclaimers your witness is not true
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Thread: Why can't any of you retards spell "you're" correctly?
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This thread reminds me of when I worked at the mental health institute. There was one patient that thought he was God and there was another patient that thought he was Jesus, and they would constantly say to each other: "you're not my son and the other would say you're not my dad"...if you testify of your self your witness is not true. Jesus himself said this.
John 5:31:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

so sorry self proclaimers your witness is not true
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Thread: Why can't any of you retards spell "you're" correctly?
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Good find on spelling mistakes.....find some more and report back...thanks
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Let it be known all whom beare false witness shall mourn.
 Quoting: Spiritoftruth111 26530436


Therefore, my friend, let us always speak the truth, and let us therefore always base everythng we say be said on the firm foundation of the truth given to us by God!

I am glad that you agree with me, that false witnesses will mourn in the end. Thank you for your support!

And thank you for being honest!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


Ye are not of those whom will be called as the two witnesses. Ye beare false witness whom I am will be known in the day of thunder and lightning. Repent before that time lest what is written by the prophets come upon you.

lead not my sheep astray.
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So you are speaking to me!

Well then, will you please substantiate your accusation that you bring against me!

I do not care the slightest to know who you are as long as you are incapable of proving your words with Scripture. There are enough false accusers around, such as hate truth!

What is written by the prophets you seem to know nothing about, playing a fool's game!

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This thread reminds me of when I worked at the mental health institute. There was one patient that thought he was God and there was another patient that thought he was Jesus, and they would constantly say to each other: "your not my son and the other would say your not my dad"...if you testify of your self your witness is not true. Jesus himself said this.
John 5:31:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

so sorry self proclaimers your witness is not true
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Whoever says that USA is the woman in Rev 12 and takes the moon to be literal must also take the 12 stars and the sun to be literal, in which case the whole false theory falls apart.

Do you see how mentally cracked up the person must be who holds such an opinion of Rev 12?

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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

...


My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

...


My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

...


...


...


...


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

...


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

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 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920


The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 Quoting: waterman


Hello,

The words that you quote in bold face letters, would you please tell what you think they mean!

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It clearly shows that the two kingdoms of Israel, the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom are going to be reunited by Gods servant in the end....this hasn't happened yet so we know it is an end time event..God will not just abandon 10 tribes(man would say "forget about them 2 is good enough) but God will save all of Israel and you can clearly see it in Ezekiel 37
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In saying that the two kingdoms of Israel (in literal sense) will be reunited you contradict the Holy Scripture. Scripture clearly says that the judgment of the northern kingdom is without reprieve, as can be seen from 2 Kings 17:7-20:

For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods, And walked in the statutes of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made. And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city. And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree: And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as did the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger: For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing. Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets. Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God. And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them. And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only. Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.

The conclusion is: When NONE is left there is also NONE left ever to return!

Being removed out of the sight of God is an eternal judgment beyond reparation.

It is therefore twisting of Scripture to say that the northern kingdom of Israel will be reunited with Judah, also because in Zech 11:14 it is said, on the contrary, that God will break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Why do you fight against Scripture?

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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
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My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
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My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible


I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible


Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible


Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible


Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

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The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 Quoting: waterman


To say it in short, in referring to Ezek 37 you reveal that you do not understand the prophetic words, that they refer to what is told in Zech 11, where the two staffs are the same as the two sticks in Ezek 37. In order to understand Ezek 37 one must also understand the time periods given in the Bible, especially that the NT time is divided into 7 periods, with the last one only to be the time period of literal Israel.

I am not going to enlarge upon this biblical fact now, but I may tell you that these secrets are shown to me by the Lord Himself, so I can expound these things beyond refutation.

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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus

That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
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First of all, you ought to know that the moon in Rev 12 is not at the feet of the woman but under her feet. The reason is that it symbolizes God's law, for as the moon lightens up the night in our literal world so does God's law lighten up the night inside us, the realm of darkness. This is what Paul the apostle means when he writes these words to the Romans (7:):

but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
 Quoting: The Bible


When God's law comes to us it reveals sin in us, so in that way the spiritual night inside us is being shown to us. Therefore, whoever is under the law and its judgment is under the spiritual moon, and whoever is standing upon the moon is having God's law as his or her foundation. In that way the law is the one street of pure gold which is mentioned in Rev 21:21.

The rest of what you say is just rubbish, for your hermeneutics is not at all consistent. You uncritically and erroneously mix literal and figuratve meanings, making a total mess. Why is the moon literal while the sun is figurative? You are playing a fool's role.

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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


Here you are again making a fool of yourself, not knowing for instance that the 42 months in Rev 13 are prophetic months. These months are the months of the little horn and the ten horns of the beast which is described in Dan 7:7-8, for out of the Roman empire did come the beast of the sea.

So what you are saying in fact, without knowing it, is that the USA existed already before the fourth beast of Dan 7, which is totally wrong.

When you say that what the Bible calls tribulation lasts for 7 years you are again saying something that is totally wrong. The great tribulation is a very short happening, and when it comes 2/3 of mankind will die. This is what is hidden in these words (Rev 16:19):

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
 Quoting: The Bible


Do you what this scripture tells us?

The army coming from the north is in spiritual sense the truth of God coming against fallen-away Christianity. I have written about it earlier.

Again your hermeneutics is a mixture of errors.

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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
 Quoting: waterman


I have an important question for you to answer, based on Luke 4:5-6.

If the Devil was to tell you today that he would give you "all the kingdoms of the world", as he once did to Jesus, would not also USA be among those countries?

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
 Quoting: The Bible


If so, then how can you claim that USA is the daughter of Sion?

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