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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

 
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Friend be a follower of Jesus. Right now you don't even know what the mission of the witnesses is. If you do please tell us what you think it is. Because right now your acting like you can save people, and you can save nobody, Jesus is the only one with that power. So tell us what is the purpose of your commission?
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Waterman, I am going to let PJ answer you as your question was directed at him. But, I pray for you now that you will please give him a chance.

RockyMtnLady
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Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
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I don't think you answered his question about the "2300 evenings and mornings" Let's to through this piece by piece.

RockyMtnLady
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Waterman, I am going to let PJ answer you as your question was directed at him. But, I pray for you now that you will please give him a chance.

RockyMtnLady
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Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


I don't think you answered his question about the "2300 evenings and mornings" Let's to through this piece by piece.

RockyMtnLady
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Friend be a follower of Jesus. Right now you don't even know what the mission of the witnesses is. If you do please tell us what you think it is. Because right now your acting like you can save people, and you can save nobody, Jesus is the only one with that power. So tell us what is the purpose of your commission?
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman, I am going to let PJ answer you as your question was directed at him. But, I pray for you now that you will please give him a chance.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Waterman, I am going to let PJ answer you as your question was directed at him. But, I pray for you now that you will please give him a chance.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Yes, this was the next thing on my list. Please tell us where PJ ever said the teachings of Paul were false.

-RockyMtnLady
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Waterman, I am going to let PJ answer you as your question was directed at him. But, I pray for you now that you will please give him a chance.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
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Dear brother,

Did you ever think about it, that the "2300 evenings and mornings" (Dan 8:14) have got something to do with the two witnesses of God in Rev 11:3?

What this means is that you will not be able to understand the prophetic words of Rev 11:3 without first understanding Dan 9:24.

So, my little brother, tell me in honesty, if you understand these mentioned prophetic words, or if you know anybody who does understand them.

Listen, I dare tell you that I do understand these scriptures fully, so who will dare to accuse me of being false?

The "2300 evenings and mornings" are the seal of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, so therefore nobody except them will be able to understand these scripture.

Am I false to you, or what would you say? Will you in the very beginning judge me to be false, or will you start listening in order to find out if I am true?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
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When you follow the whole bible and not just the pieces you like then you will be able to see the truth. The bible is made up of 2 halves the old testament and the new testament.
This represents The old testament shows God and the new testament shows Jesus. The old testament shows Judah and the new testament shows Israel. The old testament shows Adam and the new testament shows Eve. Both sides put together makes one whole, God, Nation, and Man. If you refuse any part of the new testament you can't see the truth because a house divided against itself will fall Mark 2:25:And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. You have said the teachings of paul are false when you can see they are not we can have a discussion until then your still in the dark.
 Quoting: waterman


When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
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Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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When did I say that the teachings of Paul are false? Tell us now!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


Little brother,

I will not accuse you or attack you if you mistook me for being TheSeventhGate, who indeed reject Paul the apostle. So, let us forget it for it is human to make such mistakes, of which I have myself made many.

But tell me why you think I am false and not the one I tell you that I am, the true witness of God after Rev 11:3.

I wish you all the best, for I live in the hope as one having the feeling that you are a good person, one who seeks the eternal truth as I myself did long time ago, even through much pain.

Good luck brother, think it over, and pray to God, yours and mine, and we will find what is meant for us, so we can rejoice together.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God
whose heart is weeping for your sake, and praying for you. May God bless you, my little brother!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Dear you, little brother,

Read the following scriptures in the Bible (Hab 3:2-4):

O Jehovah, I have heard the report of thee, and am afraid: O Jehovah, revive thy work in the midst of the years (in the midst of NT time, cfr. Zech 11:14)); In the midst of the years make it known; In wrath (Isa 24) remember mercy. God came from Teman, And the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, And the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; He had (two) rays (the two witnesses) coming forth from his hand; And there was the hiding of his power.
 Quoting: The Bible


And where does His revival of works come from if not from the north country, as said in Psalm 75:6:

For neither from the east, nor from the west, Nor yet from the south, cometh lifting up.
 Quoting: The Bible


Listen, neither from the east, nor from the west, nor yet from the south, but, as is said in Zech 11:6, from the NORTH COUNTRY. And I, the true witness of God speaks to you according to prophecy from the north country, and if I do not speak nobody else will speak, for nobody can speak the truth of Almighty God as I can, being His true witness after Rev 11:3.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
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I will come back and answer you, but there is no reason to make Israel into many Israels.

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I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
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What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
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I will come back and answer you, but there is no reason to make Israel into many Israels.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 28365646


There are 3 Israel: God(Jesus), man(adam) and nation and if you can discern which one is being spoken of when reading scripture you will see great mysteries and revelations

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the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the

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when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision

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Is that related to the id 10 T thread?
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Is that related to the id 10 T thread?
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? eh?
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PJ, it's peculiar because I was thinking the same about Waterman and my journey toward Truth. Waterman, I pray that you find the Truth. I had many distortions as well at first and God led me to the Truth. I hope and pray for the same for you as well.

RockyMtnLady
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I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
 Quoting: waterman


I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
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I don't see the two witnesses being on the scene til after Sampson(the united states) is taken out of the way and put into slavery for his turning from God, but laying that aside for now.....Do you both believe that malachi 4:5-6 saying that God will send Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the lord comes is one of the two witnesses or the spirit of him or some form that Elijah is one of the witnesses?
 Quoting: waterman


Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
 Quoting: waterman


I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
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Hi Waterman, first of all, please know that I am a lowly person who has come a long way to accept the Spirit of Christ. I believe what Malechi was talking about is the Spirit of Elijah...I could be wrong. I am learning....

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
 Quoting: waterman


I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
 Quoting: waterman


What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady
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What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book
 Quoting: waterman


I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
 Quoting: waterman


What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady
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The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do

Adam will do the same thing his father did and adam will do this:

As I said before, I do nothing on my own. My judgment of the world will be based on what I hear from my Father (John 5:30).

For I have come down from heaven to do God’s will, not my own (John 6:38).

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I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
 Quoting: waterman


What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420




The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do
 Quoting: waterman


I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

RockyMtnLady
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Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
 Quoting: waterman


What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420




The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do
 Quoting: waterman


I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

RockyMtnLady
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that's ok your not supposed to see Adam yet just as it is written:

No one can see this man(ADAM) or those with him until the time it is for him to be revealed.


Jesus is speaking when he says no man can see my "Son" with a capital "Son" is because all of Jesus' children are sons and daughters but the firstborn Adam is the firstborn and receives the double portion and is meant to rule over the entire congregation with father to children relationship.

2nd Esdras 13:51-52 apocrpaha:
51 Then said I, O Lord that bearest rule, shew me this: Wherefore have I seen the man coming up from the midst of the sea?
52 And he said unto me, Like as thou canst neither seek out nor know the things that are in the deep of the sea: even so can no man upon earth see my Son(ADAM,FIRSTBORN), or those that be with him, but in the day time

verse 51 esdras is speaking to "Lord that bearest rule" which is Jesus because Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
and we know from Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
and Jesus is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God and his word is from everlasting to everlasting. God's word covers past, present, and future therefore Jesus' position is the same.

To further prove that esdras is speaking to Jesus(Lord that bearest rule) Jesus speaks of God the Father as a seperate intity from Himself by stating in 2 Esd. 13:26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his(Gods) creature(creation): and he shall order them that are left behind
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Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass
 Quoting: waterman


What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420




The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do
 Quoting: waterman


I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

RockyMtnLady
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Jesus was the worlds greatest story teller, without a story Jesus wouldn't talk to the people, just as the bible is made up of stories that have hidden meanings for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear
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What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420




The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do
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I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

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Jesus was the worlds greatest story teller, without a story Jesus wouldn't talk to the people, just as the bible is made up of stories that have hidden meanings for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear
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Christ spoke in parables but not in "Waterman language". You make no sense...sorry dude and you are not consistent with Holy Scripture AT ALL.

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The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do
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I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

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Jesus was the worlds greatest story teller, without a story Jesus wouldn't talk to the people, just as the bible is made up of stories that have hidden meanings for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear
 Quoting: waterman


Christ spoke in parables but not in "Waterman language". You make no sense...sorry dude and you are not consistent with Holy Scripture AT ALL.

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show me one contradiction there is by Jesus elevating his firstborn Adam, how does the take glory from Jesus. What is not consitant that you can't see?
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This tells us Jesus made everything and owns everything:
<< Colossians 1 >>
King James Version5Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell



Yet in Psalm 75:
Psalm 75 (King James Version)
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75 Unto thee, O God, do we give thanks, unto thee do we give thanks: for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.

2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.



Hmmmm someone is receive the whole congregation(church). Now how can Jesus receive something that is already his because the person in psalms 75 doesn't own it, he has to receive it........thats because it is Adam receiving the congregation
Adam is the father of all, how can the children be greater than the father of all

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Hi,

I will now answer and comment on what you say.

"Why I ask you is that God gave me seven eyes through the stone of perfection, which is Christ. That is foretold in Scripture, so you cannot annul it."

These are unsubstantiated claims. I will not just take your word for it. How about provide some EVIDENCE for these claims. You match none of the things that the Bible says about the two witnesses. You have proven nothing. You are just like the others. You are just like Chip. No evidence, just unsubstantiated claims, one after the other and I don't believe them for a second. You don't know the word of God as well as you like to think you do. You take it out of context a lot which no true witness would do, they will know how to apply it it's correct context and will NOT twist it to suit their agenda like you have.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
For a person who does not know biblical times and numbers and the setting of prophecies, both historical and spiritual, it is natural to see only "unsubstantiaed claims". This is clearly said by Paul the apostle in 1 Cor 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 Quoting: The Bible

Since you say that Paul is false you are in fact making unsubstantiated claims yourself, without having any evidence for what you say. In Isa 46:10 God speaks through His prophet saying this:
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.
 Quoting: The Bible

What this means is that the words that God declared from the beginning about things yet to come, for instance about the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, have both a literal and a spiritual meaning, for the old literal worship of God through sacrifices has become a spiritual worship through the Holy Spirit, yet both the literal and the spiritual meanings are hidden in the same prophetic words. As long as you do not see this biblical fact you will also not see substantiated truths. That I am like "the others", Chip included, is just rubbish on your part, for none of them have spoken according to Scripture as I have done. That is why their words can be easily refuted while my words are firmly based on Scripture. When you say that I "don't know the word of God as well as you like to think you do," you are in fact speaking about yourself! That I take the word of God, as you say, "out of context a lot which no true witness would do," will be impossible for you to prove. So until you prove your words you will stay a liar.

One example is he comes from the north. I forget what book it comes from, please remind me again. It apply s to King Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonians but you shamefully twist it in regards to you. You also claim to be an angel which is ludicrous in itself and can not be true since you were born of a Women. You are false Prophet who is headed to the Lake of Fire if you do not repent of your lies and deceptions.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
What Scripture foretells about the one that comes from the north, which I have referred to, is the following verse (Isa 41:25):
I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
The context of this verse is Isa 41 which threatens ungodly peoples and comforts Israel, so how can you say that the verse refers to King Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonians? The chapter does not foretell the victory by the Babylonians over Israel but rather the victory by Israel over her enemies. It is you who take the verse out of context and therefore found yourself to be what you accuse me of being. What a shame!
Why do you blame me for saying that I am an angel of God? What do you think is worse, being an angel or being among them who Scripture calls "gods"? I suppose you will say that Jesus is a false teacher like you say Paul is, since Jesus said the following words (Joh 10:34-36):
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 Quoting: The Bible

That I am ludicrous, as you say, is no wonder, for those who think so and have a laugh are depicted in Psalm 80:6:
Thou makest us a strife unto our neighbours: and our enemies laugh among themselves.
 Quoting: The Bible

Since you are so cocksure about me being what you call a "false Prophet", why are you so weak as not to be able to refute my words? Instead of refuting me you are yourself being refuted, as all people can see here on GLP. Again, what a shame! And why do you call me a prophet in spite of me being a witness. Do you not respect Scripture?

To this:
So you are in fact telling here that if you do not know or understand something told to you by a person you are at the same time therefore also in the position to call that person "deluded"?
 Quoting: PehJeshuah


Total rubbish and you are twisting what I said, you like doing that, don't you?

I fully understand you and what you are saying so that argument is void.

And please provide chapter and verse proving this.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
No, I am not twisting what you say, for in spite of first saying that you do not understand me you dare proceed to judge what you do not understand! You are very dishonest to reality! When you say that you fully understand me you are once again contradicting yourself, now saying instead that you do understand me, even fully! Could we say that your behaviour is ludicrous?
What should I provide chapter and verse for, to prove what? Can a person like you, who denounce the words of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, and of His apostle and witness, Paul?

I have used Scripture to back up what I say
 Quoting: PehJeshuah


And where did I claim Prophecy's fulfilled?

which doesn't say that two prophets become witnesses but rather that two witnesses become prophets.
 Quoting: The Bible

They are one and the same so now you are just hair-splitting. You are twisting like a slippery eel to give yourself leg room.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
Are they? If a witness of God be automatically also a prophet, then try to apply that falsehood of yours on people who lived in the Old Testament time, who were of God. Read Isa 43:10:
Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
 Quoting: The Bible

Here it is explained that they are witnesses in respect of knowing and believing in God, not because of the faculty of prophesying. In Heb 1:1:
God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners.
 Quoting: The Bible

Would you say that all the fathers unto whom the prophets spoke were themselves prophets, and if so, why should a true prophet speak to a true prophet, as though the latter were no prophet at all? Or, since the fathers were spoken to by the prophets, would you say that they were ungodly people, such as knew and believed not in God? If you admit that they indeed did know and believe in God then you must also admit that they were witnesses of God, in spite of not being prophets! You see, I am not splitting hair or twisting Scripture, but speaking from the foundation of Scripture, at the same time showing you to be wrong.

REVELATION 11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (NKJV)

You have done none of those things and you have been doing this for over the set time which is 1260days. You fail.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
Are you sure? Have I not already refuted your lies and thus showed everybody that there is no living water in you, only falsehood, and in doing so I have made your water into blood, showing it to be a mixture of lies that kills and thus from the Devil himself! Your ignorance does not annul the true meaning of Scripture. You think in your stupidity that the time period of the two witnesses is "one thousand two hundred and sixty days," but that is wrong since that time period applies to their work as prophets and not as witnesses.

But the law is spiritual, so the Sabbath points to the song of the Lamb, that is mentioned in Revelation, and not to Saturday.
 Quoting: PehJeshuah


To this above just shows you to be a lawless, apostate, Lutheran anti-Christ.

The Law has always been literal, you are just spouting false Prophet Pauline doctrine. You are so obvious. You bring nothing new but only your vain egocentricity.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
What law are you speaking about? If you mean God's law I will ask you why the law of God who is Spirit would be only literal? He who commands the whole universe and all existence, why should His law be reduced to the material world of small human beings on this earth? We need no Paul to understand the right answer, though he has the right answer in spite of your disrespect of him.

Since you say that I am so obvious in my vain egocentricity people will wonder why you do not feel and see my power in Scripture, such as has put you to shame without yourself having yet understood it. Go on in your stupidity and lick your wounds in the end, for the true witness of God has spoken against you!

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You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse! No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others! You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble. For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced. Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them! They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another! These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him. Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others! In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!
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PJ wrote this awhile back. I think it is good for people who are trying to grasp the framework and time frames of Revelation. Praying for all of us.

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Dear Chris,

Before I start saying anything about your quotes and comments I think we need to take a look at the framework of the book of Revelation, as we need to know what the main parts of the book are and in what chronological order they come. Without this perspective we are at a loss to place the minor parts of the book where they properly belong. Moreover, with the framework of the book of Revelation established, it will be easy for us to strengthen it with prophecies and figures found elsewhere in the Bible.

The first thing to realize about the structure of the book of Revelation is that one and the same theme is often described more times, although by way of different symbols. Because of that, for example, those who first read Rev 6:12-17 will be very perplexed when they later read Rev 9:13-21, wondering how it is possible for the earth to end twice. Further on, when they meet with Rev 20:11, which tells them that again the world ends, even a third time, they will be so shaken that they are in peril of losing faith in Scripture. All this, therefore, that I have said, means that the book of Revelation is no ordinary book with just one beginning and one end, but a book that describes the end with different symbols at successive places, though one and the same end is meant.

Hello PehJesuah
Thanks for the response, I am well aware of the fraud of the rapture. one taken one left is backwards taken is taken into captivity or deception, if someone thinks they're they're going to be taken away in a rapture, they've already been taken. Taken means to be caught in the snare, the hour of temptation, that the Earth dwellers are caught in, the strong delusion.
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
Yes, it is a fraud! What regards being taken or being left has got to meanings, one spiritual and one literal. When Jesus comes in person on the last day all the dead in Christ will be resurrected, but only those who belong to Christ will be ”taken”. In the spiritual sense, however, when Jesus Christ returns in His parousia, which is spiritual through the man child and the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, those who take faith in the everlasting gospel will be ”taken” (i.e. marked with the seal of God), and the rest will be left to meet the great tribulation without God’s mercy and grace.

The hour of temptation (Rev 3:10) is the time when people hear the testimony of God’s two witnesses and must decide either to accept or reject it, and the Devil will do as best he can to deceive them to reject the testimony of these two messengers of God. Their testimony is the everlasting gospel of Rev 14:6 and includes both the law and the gospel (Rev 15:3), and the Bible’s prophecies. It is therefore the one and only true doctrine of God and nothing like the faulty doctrines run short of spiritual light (Rev 8:12), as found in fallen-away Christianity.

Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

"The overflowing scourge shall not come unto us" That's the arrogant attitude of the fallen church. Gods pretty clear how he feels. Side note the reason people believe false doctrine like the rapture is also clear in Isaiah 28 it's because they don't study "line upon line" of their bibles.

I appreciate it was a pretty broad question asking you to clarify 7 chapters of revelation. I'm really focused on chapter 11 right now. It has several tricky pieces of text. I'll appreciate to hear what you have to say.
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
Friend, listen, the people unto whom the word of God was precept upon precept, line upon line, a little here, a little there, were those who did not see the overall truth of God. I also experience it every day, for people who do not see or care about the word of God accuse me and answer to me: ”You take scriptures out of their context to suit your own purposes!” You will find such examples also here on GLP.

Isa 28:14 is part of a very interesting chapter which, in its spiritual meaning, describes the time when God judges false Christianity. He promises to be ”a crown of glory” (the truth) to those who according to Mat 19:28, Rev 20:4 and Psalm 149:9 execute a written (foretold) judgement on fallen-away Christianity, and who ”turn the battle to the gate” (Isa 28:6) in ”the war in heaven” (Rev 12:7). I could have expounded all of Isa 28 for you to read but I believe God will give you inner eyes to see what it says.

”The covenant with death” in Isa 28:15 means that they believe that their false doctrines and faith will save them, but, alas, since falsehood does not redeem any soul their faith in having a covenant with God is actually a covenant with death! In Rev 14:13 we can read that before the time of ”from henceforth” the dead (those who believed they were dead to the Law, Rom 6:11) died in the belief that they died in the Lord, but since their faith and doctrine were false, it could not be said that they were blessed. This terrible thing happens to deceived people being the result of their being tied to death by falsehood.

The the reason why people believe false doctrines like the rapture is that they have neither heard the apostolic truth of the Bible, nor questioned what truth is, for the night is still in their hearts and will remain there as long as they are members of false Christianity.

Since you are looking into Rev 11, I will give you my view on the chapter later on in this answer. Before doing it I think it will be useful for us to take a look at the time periods revealed in the book of Revelation, in order that we see where different issues belong.

When we read about the seven angels having the seven trumpets (Rev 8:6) we learn from Rev 9:12-13 that the first woe covers the first five trumpets, and from Rev 11:14-15 that the second woe covers the sixth trumpet while the third woe covers the seventh trumpet. Further, when we read about the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17 and compare the contents of this seal with the contents of the sixth trumpet in Rev 9:13-21, we notice that the sixth seal foretells an end as does also the sixth trumpet, as though the end is meant to come twice. We further see that there is additional information given after the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, something that shows us that the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet describe the same happenings, only with different symbols. The additional information following the sixth seal you find in Rev 7, whereas the additional information following the sixth trumpet is found in Rev 10 and Rev 11:1-14. These verses show us that the NT time period is divided into 7 time periods, each ushered in by a seal or a trumpet. After these time periods are laid down for us to see Scripture goes on to describe the whole time period of the NT, which is found in Rev 12. This chapter is an overview of what is foretold and given to the servants of God to know. We know that the true apostolic church was established by Jesus Christ, and that it should be overcome by the beast in Rev 13, as foretold by Jesus in John 9:4. We also know that Scripture foretells that Jesus Christ will come to destroy the beast and take the rule on earth, after it having first been proclaimed for the whole earth to know before it comes true.

According to the Bible, therefore, the order of events in NT time is this: 1) the time of the apostolic church, 2) the coming of the beast or Antichrist, 3) the coming of Jesus Christ in the spiritual meaning to judge and destroy the beast and Antichrist, and to establish His kingdom on earth.

Since the time period of the beast is said to be ”42 months” in Rev 13:14, we know that it is a 1260-year time period, which is what the expression ”a time, and times, and half a time” means in Dan 12:7. On this basis we know, furthermore, that the time period said to be “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” in Rev 12:6 is also 1260 years long. During this time period the true church of God with her everlasting gospel lives in the Gentile world, until she is forced to flee “unto her place” (Rev 12:14), which is Israel, where she will live for another 1260 years. The “70 weeks” in Dan 9:24 ended in 36 AD, so in the biblical time reckoning the NT time with the apostolic church began to run from that year. Jesus died in the midst of the last week of the 70 weeks, as foretold in Dan 9:27, i.e. in the midst of the last 7-year period, which is 33 AD. In that year He died in the literal meaning, but Scripture reveals that He was also going to die in the spiritual meaning, for He tells us this in John 9:4-5:

“We must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. When I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Everybody ought to realize that since Jesus is the light of the world when he is in the world, the foretold coming night cannot be a natural night but a spiritual night. This night came with the Antichrist, when the church fell away from God and Jesus had to leave his church in a spiritual meaning because the church had been corrupted.

Jesus Christ then died again in the midst of the week, but now in the spiritual meaning. What does it mean? Well, I think we can now take a look at what is said in an apocalyptic book called 4 Esdras, for it is in full harmony with the Bible. There we find the following prophecy which is now fulfilled (4 Esdras 7:28-31):

“For my son the Messiah shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years. And after these years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.”

This is the spiritual night which Jesus foretold.

”And the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings; so that no one shall be left. And after seven days the world, which is not yet awake, shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish.”

And here we see that the time period of the beast and Antichrist, which Rev 13:5 says is ”forty and two months” (1260 years), is called a time period of seven days (a week). What this leads us to is the conclusion that in the spiritual meaning Jesus Christ died in the midst of a week that prophetically is said to be 1260 year long. What does this tell us? Well, since the midst of 1260 years comes after 630 year, we find that 630 years calculated from 36 AD brings us to the year 666 AD. In this way we have calculated the number of the beast, as said in Rev 13:18, and found that that year is the terminus a quo for the beast’s 1260 years. We have also found how the beast’s number can also be the number of a man, the man being Jesus upon whose birth our time reckoning is based.

Now we are in the position to say that the NT time comprises these time periods: 1) the 630-year time period of the apostolic church, 2) the 1260-year time period of the beast and Antichrist, 3) the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel, 4), the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel and church in historical Israel.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This is pretty clear, God is setting the plumbline, inner court is the true church outer is the false. Gentiles, (heathens) are trampling the apostate that are ironically trampling the Son of God under foot, "doing wickedly against the covenant" (Dan 11)
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
The reed like unto a rod that was given to John, who here symbolizes one of God’s two witnesses, is mentioned in Isa 28:17:

”And I will make justice the line, and righteousness the plummet; and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding-place.”

With justice and righteousness God’s witnesses will measure the temple, those who give ear to their testimony and come to faith through it. The court which is without the temple is the fallen-away Christianity with all her false churches, cults, denominations, and deceived people. They will not be measured and instructed, for their teachers have ensnared them with their lies to such an extent that their hearts and souls have become callous and incapable of recognizing the voice of truth when heard. Yes, the truth they have trampled under foot for 1260 years, since the time when the third trumpet was sounded, but now God’s kingdom is coming back as the everlasting gospel and New Jerusalem to fight those liars back to the gate, and, they will be cast out of the kingdom their fathers invaded, as Jesus foretells in Mat 8:12.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Who are the sevants the prophets in chapter 10 and do they come before the 2 witnesses or after? I see the 3 woes running twice from the end of Rev 8 to the end of Rev 10 and they start over again in Rev 11. Right?
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
”His servants the prophets” in chapter 10 are primarily the OT prophets of Israel who had visions and prophecied secrets many of which are still hidden, but which will be revealed in time when needed, i.e. in the coming time period of the jewish people, when the church is in historical Israel. This said, we also know from Scripture that God will send new prophets to serve His church of the everlasting gospel. The three woes are woes only once each, and this is why they are woes:

First woe is a woe because the true apostolic church fell away from God. The second woe is a woe because God’s terrible judgement falls upon fallen-away Christianity and the secular powers that have sided with her. Second woe includes a horrendous war that is foretold in Isa 24. The third woe is a woe because the Gentiles again leave God, as can be seen in Rom 11:25, and God’s church is then forced to leave the Gentile world and flee to ”her place”, Israel.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

Now are the 2 witnesses the "servants the prophets" I'm asking that because they seem to be the ones ministering the everlasting Gospel. The hardest part about understanding Revelation is the fact it's a vision, and is so hard to puta timeline to. Most the verses begin with "and" it just builds and builds and it's hard to follow cronological order.
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
What is written in Rev 10 is additional information to what is said in relation to the sixth trumpet, whereas ”His servants the prophets” are mentioned in relation to the seventh trumpet. Even so, the two witnesses are God’s servants, as everyone is who believes in our Saviour Jesus Christ. There is no difference except for the two witnesses having to bear the brunt of Antichrist’s attack in the war of heaven. They are sent to prepare the way before the Lord (Mal 3:1) and to protect those who sincerely seek their Saviour. Yes, you are right, for the two witnesses will minister the everlasting gospel. Nobody can do it except the messengers of God who know what the everlasting gospel is. I have now given you a time line, and if you keep to it God will reveal more to you. If anything is still obscure you are welcome to send me your questions.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Help is this metapghoric? and are we still working the 1st woe (fifth trumpet?)
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
No, the time of the first woe has gone by, so now we are in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, which is also the time of the second woe. The war between the two witnesses and the beast will be at its worst stage when the false prophet of the mind of the wounded head arrives. He has not yet arrive but will soon. He is one of two people who make believe that they are the two witnesses of God, but they teach the false doctrine of the second head, who is Marthin Luther. He is the person who was wounded by the Word, i.e. in the sense given by Paul the apostle in Rom 7:9. But Luther did not let the Word and Spirit convert him, so he became instead one of the seven heads of the beast. Read Isa 9:15. Luther became the head of false Lutheranism. The false prophet therefore belongs to the second beast in Rev 13:11, which itself is the second head of beast which came up out of the sea.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I just see this as the apostate church, also described in Ez 37 No?
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
Yes, you are right. That great city is Babylon, the fallen-away Christianity. That the dead bodies of the two witnesses shall lie in the street of that city means that those who follows falsehood will not pay heed to the true testimony of the two witnesses but instead rejoice whenever they can accuse them of being sinners and just ordinary human beings, as they are themselves. The difference is that they are more inclined to look for other peoples’ sins than they are for their own. In that way they reveal themselves for the great judgement day to be dishonest people, such as judge others more harshly than they would themselves for the same sins. You see that the two witnesses come forth from the depth of remorse for all their shortcomings, and they fight their way through many stages in the hope of being able to help everyone who seeks the truth and come their way.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

This is 1 Cor 10 "making merry," or "rose up to play."
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
Yes, these two prophets will torment them, but they have asked for it. The sad thing is that while the locust in Rev 5:3-5 could torment people for 5 months without killing, the true witnesses and prophets of God can also kill, which is the secret of Rev 11:6. What the locusts could not do was to make people dead to the law, as said in Rom 7:4, for every soul who is dead to the law will be saved. When people reject God’s two witnesses, who are the messengers of God’s last warning, heaven will be shut to them and they will die an eternal death.

1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

I also see this as the waking church. The 1/3 the multitudes being refined by fire, the apostate being trampled in the outer court vs 2
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
That God gives the two witnesses life and resurrects them to heaven does not mean a bodily resurrection, which can happen only on the last day, as Jesus says, but that the time of God’s mercy has ended. When people realize that what the two witnesses and prophets warned them about starts to happen, it will be too late. They will see the clouds of destruction and understand that there is no more time for them to repent, and that no other witnesses can come any more. They will shout in despair to God Almighty but He will no more listen. They had their time and used it as their opportunity to hate God’s witnesses. God will therefore send them with seeing eyes into hell and everlasting fire. The two witnesses tried to save them, but they were not acknowledge to be what they indeed were by the ungodly multitudes.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Metaphoric for transforming from "earth dweller" to "redeemed for the earth"

I now understand this thanks to you PehJesuah
as responding to the everlasting Gospel and being truely baptized
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
There are two meanings of prophetic utterances, one spiritual and one historical. Your words relate to the spiritual meaning, and I am glad that you see it. The historical meaning is that when people see the cloud of destruction they know what is coming and that the two witnesses of God were what they were.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Thinking the tenth part has to do with firstfruits. Not sure. Who are the seven thousand?
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
Rev 11:13 pertains to the end of the time period of the sixth trumpet, so that secret will be revealed in that time. We are now living in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, before the great tribulation.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

The four and twenty elders have to be the 144000 right?
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
The four and twenty elders are not the 144000 sealed people. They are the coming true spiritual rulers of God’s everlasting church. What they are is still a secret, but I can tell you that they are four groups of six people, each group belonging to one of the four living creatures, being their six wings. I cannot tell you more, but my words are true.

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The servants the prophets (the 144000) and the saints (the multitudes now woken refused the mark. do they join the 144000 as 144000) I know for sure 144000 is symbolic just as is the thousand years. 12 x 12 x 1000 It's the blueprint for New Jerusalem built upon the apostles and prophets, with Christ as the cornerstone.
 Quoting: OutofHer


My answer:
What is said in Rev 11:17-18 belong to the time period of the jewish people, which is not yet. When that time period ends the last and great judgement day comes, when this earth ends and the heavens. The 144000 sealed people are the New Jerusalem. Yes, the 12 apostles are the foundation of New Jerusalem, for their life and doctrine is Jesus Christ Himself.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Lightening is the truth, the voices and thunders are the true believers spreading the everlasting gospel, causing an earthquake in the babylonian harlot church. This begins and ends the trumet judgements. I see manifestations of the Trumpets now and believe they are all sounding at once, they do increase in intensity and will end up working out in physical manifestations.
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My answer:
I think I must come back and write specifically about what belongs in the time period of the jewish people.

Well friend. Help me out.
In our saviors Love grateful to have meet you PehJeshuah

Outofher Chris
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My answer:
And I am grateful to have met you. All the best, and God bless!

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Hi,

I will now answer and comment on what you say.

"Why I ask you is that God gave me seven eyes through the stone of perfection, which is Christ. That is foretold in Scripture, so you cannot annul it."

These are unsubstantiated claims. I will not just take your word for it. How about provide some EVIDENCE for these claims. You match none of the things that the Bible says about the two witnesses. You have proven nothing. You are just like the others. You are just like Chip. No evidence, just unsubstantiated claims, one after the other and I don't believe them for a second. You don't know the word of God as well as you like to think you do. You take it out of context a lot which no true witness would do, they will know how to apply it it's correct context and will NOT twist it to suit their agenda like you have.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
For a person who does not know biblical times and numbers and the setting of prophecies, both historical and spiritual, it is natural to see only "unsubstantiaed claims". This is clearly said by Paul the apostle in 1 Cor 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 Quoting: The Bible

Since you say that Paul is false you are in fact making unsubstantiated claims yourself, without having any evidence for what you say. In Isa 46:10 God speaks through His prophet saying this:
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.
 Quoting: The Bible

What this means is that the words that God declared from the beginning about things yet to come, for instance about the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, have both a literal and a spiritual meaning, for the old literal worship of God through sacrifices has become a spiritual worship through the Holy Spirit, yet both the literal and the spiritual meanings are hidden in the same prophetic words. As long as you do not see this biblical fact you will also not see substantiated truths. That I am like "the others", Chip included, is just rubbish on your part, for none of them have spoken according to Scripture as I have done. That is why their words can be easily refuted while my words are firmly based on Scripture. When you say that I "don't know the word of God as well as you like to think you do," you are in fact speaking about yourself! That I take the word of God, as you say, "out of context a lot which no true witness would do," will be impossible for you to prove. So until you prove your words you will stay a liar.

One example is he comes from the north. I forget what book it comes from, please remind me again. It apply s to King Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonians but you shamefully twist it in regards to you. You also claim to be an angel which is ludicrous in itself and can not be true since you were born of a Women. You are false Prophet who is headed to the Lake of Fire if you do not repent of your lies and deceptions.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
What Scripture foretells about the one that comes from the north, which I have referred to, is the following verse (Isa 41:25):
I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
The context of this verse is Isa 41 which threatens ungodly peoples and comforts Israel, so how can you say that the verse refers to King Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonians? The chapter does not foretell the victory by the Babylonians over Israel but rather the victory by Israel over her enemies. It is you who take the verse out of context and therefore found yourself to be what you accuse me of being. What a shame!
Why do you blame me for saying that I am an angel of God? What do you think is worse, being an angel or being among them who Scripture calls "gods"? I suppose you will say that Jesus is a false teacher like you say Paul is, since Jesus said the following words (Joh 10:34-36):
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 Quoting: The Bible

That I am ludicrous, as you say, is no wonder, for those who think so and have a laugh are depicted in Psalm 80:6:
Thou makest us a strife unto our neighbours: and our enemies laugh among themselves.
 Quoting: The Bible

Since you are so cocksure about me being what you call a "false Prophet", why are you so weak as not to be able to refute my words? Instead of refuting me you are yourself being refuted, as all people can see here on GLP. Again, what a shame! And why do you call me a prophet in spite of me being a witness. Do you not respect Scripture?

To this:
...


Total rubbish and you are twisting what I said, you like doing that, don't you?

I fully understand you and what you are saying so that argument is void.

And please provide chapter and verse proving this.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
No, I am not twisting what you say, for in spite of first saying that you do not understand me you dare proceed to judge what you do not understand! You are very dishonest to reality! When you say that you fully understand me you are once again contradicting yourself, now saying instead that you do understand me, even fully! Could we say that your behaviour is ludicrous?
What should I provide chapter and verse for, to prove what? Can a person like you, who denounce the words of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, and of His apostle and witness, Paul?

I have used Scripture to back up what I say
 Quoting: PehJeshuah


And where did I claim Prophecy's fulfilled?

which doesn't say that two prophets become witnesses but rather that two witnesses become prophets.
 Quoting: The Bible

They are one and the same so now you are just hair-splitting. You are twisting like a slippery eel to give yourself leg room.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
Are they? If a witness of God be automatically also a prophet, then try to apply that falsehood of yours on people who lived in the Old Testament time, who were of God. Read Isa 43:10:
Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
 Quoting: The Bible

Here it is explained that they are witnesses in respect of knowing and believing in God, not because of the faculty of prophesying. In Heb 1:1:
God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners.
 Quoting: The Bible

Would you say that all the fathers unto whom the prophets spoke were themselves prophets, and if so, why should a true prophet speak to a true prophet, as though the latter were no prophet at all? Or, since the fathers were spoken to by the prophets, would you say that they were ungodly people, such as knew and believed not in God? If you admit that they indeed did know and believe in God then you must also admit that they were witnesses of God, in spite of not being prophets! You see, I am not splitting hair or twisting Scripture, but speaking from the foundation of Scripture, at the same time showing you to be wrong.

REVELATION 11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (NKJV)

You have done none of those things and you have been doing this for over the set time which is 1260days. You fail.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
Are you sure? Have I not already refuted your lies and thus showed everybody that there is no living water in you, only falsehood, and in doing so I have made your water into blood, showing it to be a mixture of lies that kills and thus from the Devil himself! Your ignorance does not annul the true meaning of Scripture. You think in your stupidity that the time period of the two witnesses is "one thousand two hundred and sixty days," but that is wrong since that time period applies to their work as prophets and not as witnesses.

But the law is spiritual, so the Sabbath points to the song of the Lamb, that is mentioned in Revelation, and not to Saturday.
 Quoting: PehJeshuah


To this above just shows you to be a lawless, apostate, Lutheran anti-Christ.

The Law has always been literal, you are just spouting false Prophet Pauline doctrine. You are so obvious. You bring nothing new but only your vain egocentricity.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


My answer:
What law are you speaking about? If you mean God's law I will ask you why the law of God who is Spirit would be only literal? He who commands the whole universe and all existence, why should His law be reduced to the material world of small human beings on this earth? We need no Paul to understand the right answer, though he has the right answer in spite of your disrespect of him.

Since you say that I am so obvious in my vain egocentricity people will wonder why you do not feel and see my power in Scripture, such as has put you to shame without yourself having yet understood it. Go on in your stupidity and lick your wounds in the end, for the true witness of God has spoken against you!

Greetings from
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You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse! No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others! You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble. For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced. Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them! They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another! These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him. Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others! In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!
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You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse! No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others! You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble. For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced. Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them! They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another! These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him. Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others! In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!


Hi,

I will now answer and comment on what you say:

You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
I do not claim to be a true witness for YOUR God, it suffices that you are his witness, but I do doubt that he be the Lord of Glory. I have my reasons for that doubt!

No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
I will ask you if you ever thought about the possibility that what you think is hatred instead is love. Would you for instance say that the following words reveal hatred (Luke 3:7) instead of love?

O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
 Quoting: The Bible


And did not Paul the apostle call certain people dogs? Was he then humble and showing love? If the word hatred per se is a pertinent argument against truth, then why did David say the words you find in Psalm 139:21?

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
 Quoting: The Bible


Would you say that David was not a true witness of God? That he was filled with hatred and therefore also not humble?

You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
Isa 57 firsts tells about the evil times of God's people, about the triumph of their enemies, and about their having been humbled, but then goes on in verses 13 through 15 to tell that the spirit of the humble and contrite will be revived and even dwell in the high and lofty place with their Lord, as the following words show us:

but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain; And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people. For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
 Quoting: The Bible


This chapter of Isaiah shows that there will come about a great change in which the Lord will not contend for ever. Scripure tells us that He contends through His witnesses, those who have been revived and given the right to dwell in the high and holy place. Therefore, when such people speak and contend from the high but holy place their opponents will for sure hold them to be haughty people. Did you ever look at prophetic things from that perspective?

For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
Well, read Isa 57 and pay special attention to these words "I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit. But why do you mean that you are in the position to know what I have experienced? Is not that downright haughtiness on your part?

Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
So you are now telling us here on GLP that you know what or who the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 are or will be? If you knew, which you definitely do not, you would also understand the secret of Dan 8:13-14:

Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
 Quoting: The Bible


How would you for instance explain the seemingly different answers given basically to the same question in Dan 8:14 and Dan 12:7, which one of the two witnesses asks? Show us now that know about these things in your humbleness while I do not in my haughtiness!

They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
When your Mickey Mouse speaks there is no threat and death in his world but I say to you that when the true two witnesses speak there will be a division between life and death, for with their testimony comes the "hour of temptation" (Rev 3:10), which means that Satan will do his utmost to prevent people from understanding and believing their everlasting gospel. Whoever speaks against them defends his own selfish purpose, and in doing so he also belittles himself and bears himself the responsibility for it.

These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
What things do you mean? I would recommend that you read Psalm 149 and tell us what honour is meant in Psalm 149:9, and given to who for what purpose? Scripture is authority and cannot be ignored!

Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
When you speak of your overly kind Master you seem to have quite a different Lord than David had, for he said this about his Lord (Psalm 7:11):

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked EVERY DAY.
 Quoting: The Bible


God is angry all the time, for He is a consuming fire!

In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


My answer:
Whom have you served for four decades since you still are so ignorant of the most fundamental truths in Scripture, both of the true gospel (the song of the Lamb) and of the law (the song of Moses)? Let alone the prophecies!

One last question: Do you believe that the true two witnesses of Rev 11:3 should be polite and subservient (humble) to those who propagate false doctrine on earth today?

Greetings from
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