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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

 
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If I am not mistaken you went back into the past post to find this post I wrote. At the time I was in a defensive mode and had every intention of making my point of view clear. For someone to bring up past conflicts to increase strife is a poor reflection on themselves. You are an instigator of the lowest kind.

You say PJ relates to US. Just who is this US you are speaking about. I only see you and a couple of others that really rally behind this self proclaim witness. I am not being intentionally acerbic in this comment, but simply pondering the evidence of otherwise proof of consideration. This self proclamation is not of my saying, but that of his. Therefore, no malice intended, only clarity of a statement. It is commendable that PJ is the most humble, secure person you know. Sounds like the words of a mother or sister after the flesh or wife after the ego toward promotion. It matters not to me what you see as a source of your conviction. My conviction is however, that any man who claims the role of one of the witnesses would never extend a spirit of hate, anger, or lack of temperance with his words. All of these manifestations are a sure tale sign that there rest a lack of the fruit of the spirit, and so the calling and claim and the manifestations of those callings and claims hold no evidence in its fruit within the spiritual realm. This is why your prayers are in vain for me to see something that is not evident in any reality that I am cognizant of or anyone else of a sound mind....is cognizant of for that matter.
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You mistake my loyalty for ego. Sorry, just catching up on the thread.

RockyMtnLady
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If you are sincere in that statement, then you have my apology in assuming any other purpose of your intent.
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If the spirit invited you again to intervene on that thread, there must be a good reason for it.
Thank you again for showing your usual humility my friend. It is refreshing.

One Love,
D.
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Thank you D for your comment. Humility is easy to come by for those who realize they are only human, and nothing more is required to be humble, than that thought and realization. A little sinew, bone, hair, and blood, where is the boasting there. here one day gone tomorrow.

Yet, in our youth, now that is a different matter. For then the sinew flourishes in its own quivering, and the bone of its strength. The hair flowing in its abundance and the blood boils for adventure. Then boasting arises to its heighth and it comes down with a thunderous thud. Yet, in hell many of youth found their abode among the heap of such vices, and the tormentors of boasters, there, find no rest.

Thus, the warning of the word....flee youthful lust that war against the soul [2Tim2:22-23].
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Guys,

It is saidthat the 144,000 will know of a song that inly them know.
Could it ge that they will all know how to correctly interpret scriptures in a way to was never done before?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Correct!
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Doesn't the work of the two witnesses seem opposite to modern Christianity?
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Doesn't the work of the two witnesses seem opposite to modern Christianity?
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That is correct! It both seems so and IS so.

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Doesn't the work of the two witnesses seem opposite to modern Christianity?
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Not toward the true concept of Christianity, but the religious aspect of its teachings, lays the course of its diversion. Yes, modern Christianity has little commonality with the realization of the original characteristics of that body.
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Guys,

It is saidthat the 144,000 will know of a song that inly them know.
Could it ge that they will all know how to correctly interpret scriptures in a way to was never done before?

One Love,
D.
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Actually D the concept of singing a new song by those 144,000 extends far beyond the correct interpretation of scripture alone. Otherwise, all people would soon also understand how to interpret scripture. This is far beyond that schism of some words, and there meaning; but a melodious aspect of a life not ever experienced by the soulful aspect of a walk in Christ, and the manifestations of the powers of that promise...greater works shall you do than I, for I go unto the Father.
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Guys,

It is saidthat the 144,000 will know of a song that inly them know.
Could it ge that they will all know how to correctly interpret scriptures in a way to was never done before?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Correct!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


:)) knew it!!

One Love,
D.
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In the dream I just had, I was told to find a website called Godlike. I have never before heard of, nor have I ever visited this place. I must apologize in advance if I offend anyone, I don't even know the rules for posting here. I am not even sure if this message will make it to anyone.

So as I was saying, in this dream I was told to find the website Godlike. I google it and this is the first one that comes up, I can only assume this was the intended site, although it seems a little "out there" for my tastes. I'm just following what I was told in the dream.

I was told to find this website (the one referred to as Godlike) and post that the two witnesses? ( a term I am not really familiar with ) are alive here and now, and they are visiting the same website I was referred to. So that is what I am doing. I was supposed to come here and say something along the lines of "The witnesses have arrived, They do not yet know who they are, or that they are the witnesses. They visit the site Godlike."

It was a very powerful dream, so I can only hope this has some meaning to someone out there in internet land.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Rual G.
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were you told about their colours?
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The covenant is broken!

PehJeshuah
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What covenant??

Whos covenant.?

I said EXPLAIN..not try to be all mysterious and ambiguios in an effort to sound all important and holy.

PLAIN english.
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It means that all of Christianity is false! I proclaim her doom!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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So what ISNT false then?

WHAT is truth..the exact simple truth.

And dont go getting all mysterious again..say it plainly.
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Well??
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What covenant??

Whos covenant.?

I said EXPLAIN..not try to be all mysterious and ambiguios in an effort to sound all important and holy.

PLAIN english.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17678855


It means that all of Christianity is false! I proclaim her doom!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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So what ISNT false then?

WHAT is truth..the exact simple truth.

And dont go getting all mysterious again..say it plainly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17678855


Well??
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Read my posts to ExploringTheTruth as well as my article on Baptism in the light of the everlasting gospel, then you have what is definitely NOT false but THE TRUTH, even seven times clearer than it has ever been.

During the time of the Antichrist the truth has been continually twisted.

Greetings from
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It means that all of Christianity is false! I proclaim her doom!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


So what ISNT false then?

WHAT is truth..the exact simple truth.

And dont go getting all mysterious again..say it plainly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17678855


Well??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16366280


Read my posts to ExploringTheTruth as well as my article on Baptism in the light of the everlasting gospel, then you have what is definitely NOT false but THE TRUTH, even seven times clearer than it has ever been.

During the time of the Antichrist the truth has been continually twisted.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. KJV)

Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Guys,

It is saidthat the 144,000 will know of a song that inly them know.
Could it ge that they will all know how to correctly interpret scriptures in a way to was never done before?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Correct!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


:)) knew it!!

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
 Quoting: The Bible


Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

26 Bulan akan bersinar seterang matahari, dan matahari akan tujuh kali lebih cerah dari biasanya, seperti terang tujuh hari dikumpulkan menjadi satu. Semua itu akan terjadi pada waktu TUHAN membalut dan menyembuhkan luka-luka umat-Nya yang sudah dideranya.
27 Kekuasaan dan keagungan TUHAN nampak dari jauh. Api dan asap menunjukkan kemarahan-Nya. Ia berbicara dengan mereka, dan kata-kata-Nya membakar seperti api.
28 Ia menyuruh angin mendahului-Nya seperti banjir setinggi leher yang menghanyutkan segalanya. Ia membinasakan bangsa-bangsa, dan menggagalkan rencana-rencana mereka yang jahat.
29 Tetapi kamu, umat Allah, akan bergembira dan menyanyi seperti pada malam perayaan agama. Kamu akan bersukacita seperti orang-orang yang berjalan dengan iringan seruling menuju Rumah TUHAN, pembela Israel.
30 TUHAN akan memperdengarkan suara-Nya yang agung, dan setiap orang akan merasakan kuasa-Nya yang hebat. Kemarahan-Nya akan mendatangkan api yang menghanguskan, hujan lebat, hujan batu dan badai.
31 Orang Asyur akan gempar bila mendengar suara TUHAN dan merasakan hukuman-Nya yang berat.
32 Sementara mereka merasakan pukulan-pukulan-Nya, umat TUHAN bersenang-senang dengan musik gendang dan kecapi. Allah sendiri akan berperang melawan orang Asyur.
33 Sejak dahulu sudah disiapkan tempat pembakaran untuk raja Asyur. Tempat itu dalam dan lebar, berisi kayu bakar yang bertimbun-timbun. TUHAN akan menyalakannya dengan meniupkan napas-Nya seperti sungai belerang. (Isa 30:26-33 BIS)
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Guys,

It is saidthat the 144,000 will know of a song that inly them know.
Could it ge that they will all know how to correctly interpret scriptures in a way to was never done before?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Correct!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


:)) knew it!!

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
 Quoting: The Bible


Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

26 Bulan akan bersinar seterang matahari, dan matahari akan tujuh kali lebih cerah dari biasanya, seperti terang tujuh hari dikumpulkan menjadi satu. Semua itu akan terjadi pada waktu TUHAN membalut dan menyembuhkan luka-luka umat-Nya yang sudah dideranya.
27 Kekuasaan dan keagungan TUHAN nampak dari jauh. Api dan asap menunjukkan kemarahan-Nya. Ia berbicara dengan mereka, dan kata-kata-Nya membakar seperti api.
28 Ia menyuruh angin mendahului-Nya seperti banjir setinggi leher yang menghanyutkan segalanya. Ia membinasakan bangsa-bangsa, dan menggagalkan rencana-rencana mereka yang jahat.
29 Tetapi kamu, umat Allah, akan bergembira dan menyanyi seperti pada malam perayaan agama. Kamu akan bersukacita seperti orang-orang yang berjalan dengan iringan seruling menuju Rumah TUHAN, pembela Israel.
30 TUHAN akan memperdengarkan suara-Nya yang agung, dan setiap orang akan merasakan kuasa-Nya yang hebat. Kemarahan-Nya akan mendatangkan api yang menghanguskan, hujan lebat, hujan batu dan badai.
31 Orang Asyur akan gempar bila mendengar suara TUHAN dan merasakan hukuman-Nya yang berat.
32 Sementara mereka merasakan pukulan-pukulan-Nya, umat TUHAN bersenang-senang dengan musik gendang dan kecapi. Allah sendiri akan berperang melawan orang Asyur.
33 Sejak dahulu sudah disiapkan tempat pembakaran untuk raja Asyur. Tempat itu dalam dan lebar, berisi kayu bakar yang bertimbun-timbun. TUHAN akan menyalakannya dengan meniupkan napas-Nya seperti sungai belerang. (Isa 30:26-33 BIS)
 Quoting: The Bible

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Thanks for the translation Sir!
As a matter of fact, i live in indonesia but i am not an indonesian national. ;)
Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
D.
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I am not sure who you think you are but you are mistaken. Just look at this thread.....PJ doesn't strive for the approval of ANYONE. He was given a job by God Almighty and chose to accept it. Did he fight it? Yes. Did he question it in the beginning? Yes. That is what makes him relate to us. He is the most humble, secure person I know. I pray that some day you may see that.

RockyMtnLady

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If I am not mistaken you went back into the past post to find this post I wrote. At the time I was in a defensive mode and had every intention of making my point of view clear. For someone to bring up past conflicts to increase strife is a poor reflection on themselves. You are an instigator of the lowest kind.

You say PJ relates to US. Just who is this US you are speaking about. I only see you and a couple of others that really rally behind this self proclaim witness. I am not being intentionally acerbic in this comment, but simply pondering the evidence of otherwise proof of consideration. This self proclamation is not of my saying, but that of his. Therefore, no malice intended, only clarity of a statement. It is commendable that PJ is the most humble, secure person you know. Sounds like the words of a mother or sister after the flesh or wife after the ego toward promotion. It matters not to me what you see as a source of your conviction. My conviction is however, that any man who claims the role of one of the witnesses would never extend a spirit of hate, anger, or lack of temperance with his words. All of these manifestations are a sure tale sign that there rest a lack of the fruit of the spirit, and so the calling and claim and the manifestations of those callings and claims hold no evidence in its fruit within the spiritual realm. This is why your prayers are in vain for me to see something that is not evident in any reality that I am cognizant of or anyone else of a sound mind....is cognizant of for that matter.
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You mistake my loyalty for ego. Sorry, just catching up on the thread.

RockyMtnLady
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If you are sincere in that statement, then you have my apology in assuming any other purpose of your intent.
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Hi AC 227,
Yes, I am sincere. Thank you for your apology. good luck and may God bless you on your journey.

RockyMtnLady
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Correct!
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


:)) knew it!!

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
 Quoting: The Bible


Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

26 Bulan akan bersinar seterang matahari, dan matahari akan tujuh kali lebih cerah dari biasanya, seperti terang tujuh hari dikumpulkan menjadi satu. Semua itu akan terjadi pada waktu TUHAN membalut dan menyembuhkan luka-luka umat-Nya yang sudah dideranya.
27 Kekuasaan dan keagungan TUHAN nampak dari jauh. Api dan asap menunjukkan kemarahan-Nya. Ia berbicara dengan mereka, dan kata-kata-Nya membakar seperti api.
28 Ia menyuruh angin mendahului-Nya seperti banjir setinggi leher yang menghanyutkan segalanya. Ia membinasakan bangsa-bangsa, dan menggagalkan rencana-rencana mereka yang jahat.
29 Tetapi kamu, umat Allah, akan bergembira dan menyanyi seperti pada malam perayaan agama. Kamu akan bersukacita seperti orang-orang yang berjalan dengan iringan seruling menuju Rumah TUHAN, pembela Israel.
30 TUHAN akan memperdengarkan suara-Nya yang agung, dan setiap orang akan merasakan kuasa-Nya yang hebat. Kemarahan-Nya akan mendatangkan api yang menghanguskan, hujan lebat, hujan batu dan badai.
31 Orang Asyur akan gempar bila mendengar suara TUHAN dan merasakan hukuman-Nya yang berat.
32 Sementara mereka merasakan pukulan-pukulan-Nya, umat TUHAN bersenang-senang dengan musik gendang dan kecapi. Allah sendiri akan berperang melawan orang Asyur.
33 Sejak dahulu sudah disiapkan tempat pembakaran untuk raja Asyur. Tempat itu dalam dan lebar, berisi kayu bakar yang bertimbun-timbun. TUHAN akan menyalakannya dengan meniupkan napas-Nya seperti sungai belerang. (Isa 30:26-33 BIS)
 Quoting: The Bible

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Thanks for the translation Sir!
As a matter of fact, i live in indonesia but i am not an indonesian national. ;)
Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
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This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
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26 Bulan akan bersinar seterang matahari, dan matahari akan tujuh kali lebih cerah dari biasanya, seperti terang tujuh hari dikumpulkan menjadi satu. Semua itu akan terjadi pada waktu TUHAN membalut dan menyembuhkan luka-luka umat-Nya yang sudah dideranya.
27 Kekuasaan dan keagungan TUHAN nampak dari jauh. Api dan asap menunjukkan kemarahan-Nya. Ia berbicara dengan mereka, dan kata-kata-Nya membakar seperti api.
28 Ia menyuruh angin mendahului-Nya seperti banjir setinggi leher yang menghanyutkan segalanya. Ia membinasakan bangsa-bangsa, dan menggagalkan rencana-rencana mereka yang jahat.
29 Tetapi kamu, umat Allah, akan bergembira dan menyanyi seperti pada malam perayaan agama. Kamu akan bersukacita seperti orang-orang yang berjalan dengan iringan seruling menuju Rumah TUHAN, pembela Israel.
30 TUHAN akan memperdengarkan suara-Nya yang agung, dan setiap orang akan merasakan kuasa-Nya yang hebat. Kemarahan-Nya akan mendatangkan api yang menghanguskan, hujan lebat, hujan batu dan badai.
31 Orang Asyur akan gempar bila mendengar suara TUHAN dan merasakan hukuman-Nya yang berat.
32 Sementara mereka merasakan pukulan-pukulan-Nya, umat TUHAN bersenang-senang dengan musik gendang dan kecapi. Allah sendiri akan berperang melawan orang Asyur.
33 Sejak dahulu sudah disiapkan tempat pembakaran untuk raja Asyur. Tempat itu dalam dan lebar, berisi kayu bakar yang bertimbun-timbun. TUHAN akan menyalakannya dengan meniupkan napas-Nya seperti sungai belerang. (Isa 30:26-33 BIS)
 Quoting: The Bible

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Thanks for the translation Sir!
As a matter of fact, i live in indonesia but i am not an indonesian national. ;)
Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
D.
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
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This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

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Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

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...

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Thanks for the translation Sir!
As a matter of fact, i live in indonesia but i am not an indonesian national. ;)
Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
D.
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
D.
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This is what is foretold in the following text from the Bible (Isa 30:26-33):

...


Do you see the prophesied secrets in this text, which foretell the heavenly war against the Antichrist and the judgment of all nations through the voice of the LORD?

Greetings from
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...

 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thanks for the translation Sir!
As a matter of fact, i live in indonesia but i am not an indonesian national. ;)
Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
D.
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
D.
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Praise and Honor go To God Almighty, not me.

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Thanks for the translation Sir!
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Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
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Nice text, nice message!

Only when brothers and sisters of one humanity dare come forth and be honest, telling what they feel and mean, we have the possibility of finding what we want to find, namely the rights and justice that all of us need and will be grateful for.

No person on earth, whoever he or she might be, has got the right to overstep the rights of fellow men.

That is the all-covering law of God who is our origin!

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Will have to study further since he above is not easy to grasp.
One Love,
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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
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I did not mean to interrupt your, yours and RML's good and informative conversation, so keep on, for I learn a lot myself of what you tell and experience. :)

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Continue your search for truth while always being totally honest to yourself, for in being so the truth itself will come closer to you and show you its reality.

I am just you brother, not your God, so I hope you understand that I am just showing you the WAY. In doing it no devil can fight me to hamper my work that I do in order to help those who are as lost as I was myself before.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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I am feeling truly uplifted today, partly thanks to RML. :)

Have a blessed day everyone.

One Love,
D.
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[link to m.youtube.com]
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I did not mean to interrupt your, yours and RML's good and informative conversation, so keep on, for I learn a lot myself of what you tell and experience. :)

God bless you,
PehJehJeshuah
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i take that as a compliment coming from you, Sir!
And in no way were you interupting. :)

One Love,
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Dear ExploringTheTruth,

I recommend you to look at [link to www.thereligionofpeace.com] to see what Islam in fact is. That religion is the most removed from what can be said to belong to a good conscience.

If I get finished with some other work tomorrow I will continue my posts that leads to Rev 12, and finally expound it to you and those who care to read my writings.

When that is finished I will show you what John Wesley has written on Rev 12 in order that you may see how seriously he has twisted Scripture.

May God bless you!

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Dear ExploringTheTruth,

I recommend you to look at [link to www.thereligionofpeace.com] to see what Islam in fact is. That religion is the most removed from what can be said to belong to a good conscience.

If I get finished with some other work tomorrow I will continue my posts that leads to Rev 12, and finally expound it to you and those who care to read my writings.

When that is finished I will show you what John Wesley has written on Rev 12 in order that you may see how seriously he has twisted Scripture.

May God bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thanks PJ, i will have a look today.

One Love,
D.

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Hello PJ,

I think I finally found the meaning of "H" that I mentioned to you a couple of time before.

[link to www.astrology.com]

One Love,
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Hello PJ,

I think I finally found the meaning of "H" that I mentioned to you a couple of time before.

[link to www.astrology.com]

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

Astrology must not be blended or mixed with the Bible. Astrology is the wrong path to follow for those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Greetings from
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Hello PJ,

I think I finally found the meaning of "H" that I mentioned to you a couple of time before.

[link to www.astrology.com]

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

Astrology must not be blended or mixed with the Bible. Astrology is the wrong path to follow for those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Greetings from
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 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thank you for your comment PJ.

I have already asked before on another thread why was it so?
I do recall a story where the three kings followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth.
Would you please comment on that?

One Love,
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Hello PJ,

I think I finally found the meaning of "H" that I mentioned to you a couple of time before.

[link to www.astrology.com]

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

Astrology must not be blended or mixed with the Bible. Astrology is the wrong path to follow for those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thank you for your comment PJ.

I have already asked before on another thread why was it so?
I do recall a story where the three kings followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth.
Would you please comment on that?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us read Gen 1:14-15:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
 Quoting: The Bible


Many people interpret the expression "let them be for signs" to mean astrological signs, but there is no reason for them to do so. Stars and constellations were used during navigation on the seas and also on travels through deserts and such landscapes.

There are also many people who misunderstand the following words in Job 38:32-33 to refer to what is called astrology, but they are wrong:

Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
 Quoting: The Bible


God was not referring to astrology but to His own sovereign power compared to human power.

I found the following reference with comments on the internet to Encyclopedia Britannica that I think are good:

[link to www.gospelway.com]

The calendar astrology uses to determine the sign of your birth does not agree with the present position of the constellations!

In the technical sense of the word the 12 "signs" [of the Zodiac] are geometrical divisions 30 degrees in extent counting from the position of the sun at the vernal equinox. In the time of Hipparchus [2000 years ago when the signs of the Zodiac were defined] the signs corresponded fairly closely with the constellations; that is to say, the first sign (called Aries) corresponded with the constellation Aries. Owing to precession [wobbling of the earth's axis] there is now a discrepancy amounting to the breadth of a whole sign, so that the sign Aries is occupied by the constellation Pisces" - Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 23, p. 959.

So, when astrology was formalized 2000 years ago, the constellations were at certain locations in the sky at certain times of the year. If you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you were born under a certain sign, because that's where that constellation was at that time of the year 2000 years ago.

But the earth wobbles slightly, like a top wobbling on its axis. So now, 2000 years later, the constellations are not where astrology says they should be at the time of your birth. In fact, they are out of step by a whole sign!
So because you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you are born under a certain sign, meaning a constellation was at a certain point when you were born. But in fact, the constellation of that sign was not at all where they say it was!

But remember that the position of the stars is supposed to be what determines your character and destiny. The constellation that you were really born under is the next one down the line. Hence, the practice of astrology contradicts the theory of astrology. If there ever was any validity in its predictions, there is none any more.

Why should Christians be guided by and trust their future to a self-contradictory system?
 Quoting: The Bible


On the contrary, God's people are warned from following astrology instead of the Scripture (Deu 4:19):

(...) and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun and the moon and the stars, even all the host of heaven, thou be drawn away and worship them, and serve them, which Jehovah thy God hath allotted unto all the peoples under the whole heaven.
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What is said in Judges 5:20 is just a poetic expression in the song of Debora and Barak, and no reference to any astrological happening, possibly meaning a dark night:

They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
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Scripture condemns astrology in Zeph 1:4-5:

I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests; And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham (who mix Scripture and astrology)
 Quoting: The Bible


Regarding "the three kings (who) followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth", who were Magi, we must not forget that when they came to Israel God revealed Himself to them. That is how God does also work, taking people from their shaky human position and guiding them in another direction that is according to His will.

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Hello PJ,

I think I finally found the meaning of "H" that I mentioned to you a couple of time before.

[link to www.astrology.com]

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

Astrology must not be blended or mixed with the Bible. Astrology is the wrong path to follow for those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thank you for your comment PJ.

I have already asked before on another thread why was it so?
I do recall a story where the three kings followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth.
Would you please comment on that?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us read Gen 1:14-15:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
 Quoting: The Bible


Many people interpret the expression "let them be for signs" to mean astrological signs, but there is no reason for them to do so. Stars and constellations were used during navigation on the seas and also on travels through deserts and such landscapes.

There are also many people who misunderstand the following words in Job 38:32-33 to refer to what is called astrology, but they are wrong:

Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
 Quoting: The Bible


God was not referring to astrology but to His own sovereign power compared to human power.

I found the following reference with comments on the internet to Encyclopedia Britannica that I think are good:

[link to www.gospelway.com]

The calendar astrology uses to determine the sign of your birth does not agree with the present position of the constellations!

In the technical sense of the word the 12 "signs" [of the Zodiac] are geometrical divisions 30 degrees in extent counting from the position of the sun at the vernal equinox. In the time of Hipparchus [2000 years ago when the signs of the Zodiac were defined] the signs corresponded fairly closely with the constellations; that is to say, the first sign (called Aries) corresponded with the constellation Aries. Owing to precession [wobbling of the earth's axis] there is now a discrepancy amounting to the breadth of a whole sign, so that the sign Aries is occupied by the constellation Pisces" - Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 23, p. 959.

So, when astrology was formalized 2000 years ago, the constellations were at certain locations in the sky at certain times of the year. If you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you were born under a certain sign, because that's where that constellation was at that time of the year 2000 years ago.

But the earth wobbles slightly, like a top wobbling on its axis. So now, 2000 years later, the constellations are not where astrology says they should be at the time of your birth. In fact, they are out of step by a whole sign!
So because you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you are born under a certain sign, meaning a constellation was at a certain point when you were born. But in fact, the constellation of that sign was not at all where they say it was!

But remember that the position of the stars is supposed to be what determines your character and destiny. The constellation that you were really born under is the next one down the line. Hence, the practice of astrology contradicts the theory of astrology. If there ever was any validity in its predictions, there is none any more.

Why should Christians be guided by and trust their future to a self-contradictory system?
 Quoting: The Bible


On the contrary, God's people are warned from following astrology instead of the Scripture (Deu 4:19):

(...) and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun and the moon and the stars, even all the host of heaven, thou be drawn away and worship them, and serve them, which Jehovah thy God hath allotted unto all the peoples under the whole heaven.
 Quoting: The Bible


What is said in Judges 5:20 is just a poetic expression in the song of Debora and Barak, and no reference to any astrological happening, possibly meaning a dark night:

They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
 Quoting: The Bible


Scripture condemns astrology in Zeph 1:4-5:

I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests; And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham (who mix Scripture and astrology)
 Quoting: The Bible


Regarding "the three kings (who) followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth", who were Magi, we must not forget that when they came to Israel God revealed Himself to them. That is how God does also work, taking people from their shaky human position and guiding them in another direction that is according to His will.

Best wishes,
PehJeshuah
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Thanks PJ.
But consideration and worship are to me two different things.

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

Astrology must not be blended or mixed with the Bible. Astrology is the wrong path to follow for those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Thank you for your comment PJ.

I have already asked before on another thread why was it so?
I do recall a story where the three kings followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth.
Would you please comment on that?

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us read Gen 1:14-15:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
 Quoting: The Bible


Many people interpret the expression "let them be for signs" to mean astrological signs, but there is no reason for them to do so. Stars and constellations were used during navigation on the seas and also on travels through deserts and such landscapes.

There are also many people who misunderstand the following words in Job 38:32-33 to refer to what is called astrology, but they are wrong:

Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
 Quoting: The Bible


God was not referring to astrology but to His own sovereign power compared to human power.

I found the following reference with comments on the internet to Encyclopedia Britannica that I think are good:

[link to www.gospelway.com]

The calendar astrology uses to determine the sign of your birth does not agree with the present position of the constellations!

In the technical sense of the word the 12 "signs" [of the Zodiac] are geometrical divisions 30 degrees in extent counting from the position of the sun at the vernal equinox. In the time of Hipparchus [2000 years ago when the signs of the Zodiac were defined] the signs corresponded fairly closely with the constellations; that is to say, the first sign (called Aries) corresponded with the constellation Aries. Owing to precession [wobbling of the earth's axis] there is now a discrepancy amounting to the breadth of a whole sign, so that the sign Aries is occupied by the constellation Pisces" - Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 23, p. 959.

So, when astrology was formalized 2000 years ago, the constellations were at certain locations in the sky at certain times of the year. If you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you were born under a certain sign, because that's where that constellation was at that time of the year 2000 years ago.

But the earth wobbles slightly, like a top wobbling on its axis. So now, 2000 years later, the constellations are not where astrology says they should be at the time of your birth. In fact, they are out of step by a whole sign!
So because you were born at a certain time of the year, astrology says you are born under a certain sign, meaning a constellation was at a certain point when you were born. But in fact, the constellation of that sign was not at all where they say it was!

But remember that the position of the stars is supposed to be what determines your character and destiny. The constellation that you were really born under is the next one down the line. Hence, the practice of astrology contradicts the theory of astrology. If there ever was any validity in its predictions, there is none any more.

Why should Christians be guided by and trust their future to a self-contradictory system?
 Quoting: The Bible


On the contrary, God's people are warned from following astrology instead of the Scripture (Deu 4:19):

(...) and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun and the moon and the stars, even all the host of heaven, thou be drawn away and worship them, and serve them, which Jehovah thy God hath allotted unto all the peoples under the whole heaven.
 Quoting: The Bible


What is said in Judges 5:20 is just a poetic expression in the song of Debora and Barak, and no reference to any astrological happening, possibly meaning a dark night:

They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
 Quoting: The Bible


Scripture condemns astrology in Zeph 1:4-5:

I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests; And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham (who mix Scripture and astrology)
 Quoting: The Bible


Regarding "the three kings (who) followed the nothern star to find Jesus after his birth", who were Magi, we must not forget that when they came to Israel God revealed Himself to them. That is how God does also work, taking people from their shaky human position and guiding them in another direction that is according to His will.

Best wishes,
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44044075


Thanks PJ.
But consideration and worship are to me two different things.

One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Yes, be it so, but there is no doubt that astrology is not supported in Scripture though it uses some expressions of astronomy.

Christians need no astrology, for it only leads people astray instead of to the truth of God.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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