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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

 
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Why cannot you,

Who attack me do so in honesty instead of twisting my words and the Scripture to make yourselves to be seen in a more honorable light than you deserve?

Well then, there comes a rod to hit you, so take it instead of shouting back that I am the one to be blamed and not yourself!

Geetings from me
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Dear you, my sisters and brothers,

God Almighty has sent me to you in order that I speak the truth to you.

Have you ever listened to the TV preachers, especially from USA, and have you noticed that they are very "afraid" of guiding you with Scripture?

Have you not noticed that these preachers are very inclined to tell you some made-up or inadequate stories that leave you spiritually very empty in the end after hearing them?

You leave their preaching sessions without having earned a penny of truth from what they, these wolves of the Devil, have told you?

Therefore, give ear now, for I am indeed God's true witness speaking to you. I can guide you, I can bind those false devils, I can prove from Scripture whatever I say, that it is true, and that what those sons of the Devil tell is falsehood!

Therefore, stop listening to the Devil's false advocates and give instead ear to what I do tell you, for my words are strong and true and cannot be refuted by those I do criticize!

If you do not believe it then give yourself the chance to see it! Read what has been said earlier by me against these devils and be convinced!

If not, then do not come on the great day of judgment with accusations against me, that I did not warn you! What happens to you is now in your own hand if you reject my testimony!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44486139


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I now see that you do not consider it to be the truth what I tell you as God's true witness, disbelieving me (even without reason), so I therefore will no more write to you but let you instead go to those who you find worthy of being listened to by you, and I said "by you".

God is not, nor are His true witnesses, anymore going to let those who are dishonest play with the truth as though it were a choice of their own hands, for the truth is above their imagination and even out of their reach.


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Dear you, my sisters and brothers,

God Almighty has sent me to you in order that I speak the truth to you.

Have you ever listened to the TV preachers, especially from USA, and have you noticed that they are very "afraid" of guiding you with Scripture?

Have you not noticed that these preachers are very inclined to tell you some made-up or inadequate stories that leave you spiritually very empty in the end after hearing them?

You leave their preaching sessions without having earned a penny of truth from what they, these wolves of the Devil, have told you?

Therefore, give ear now, for I am indeed God's true witness speaking to you. I can guide you, I can bind those false devils, I can prove from Scripture whatever I say, that it is true, and that what those sons of the Devil tell is falsehood!

Therefore, stop listening to the Devil's false advocates and give instead ear to what I do tell you, for my words are strong and true and cannot be refuted by those I do criticize!

If you do not believe it then give yourself the chance to see it! Read what has been said earlier by me against these devils and be convinced!

If not, then do not come on the great day of judgment with accusations against me, that I did not warn you! What happens to you is now in your own hand if you reject my testimony!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44486139


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 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I now see that you do not consider it to be the truth what I tell you as God's true witness, disbelieving me (even without reason), so I therefore will no more write to you but let you instead go to those who you find worthy of being listened to by you, and I said "by you".

God is not, nor are His true witnesses, anymore going to let those who are dishonest play with the truth as though it were a choice of their own hands, for the truth is above their imagination and even out of their reach.


Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Hello PJ,
I was bumping your comment for it to reappear in the leading threads on the forum / page 1.
I am unsure about your reaction today and sorry if i did offend you in any way.
I was actually looking forward to your next explanation regarding revelation.
One Love,
D.
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Dear you, my sisters and brothers,

God Almighty has sent me to you in order that I speak the truth to you.

Have you ever listened to the TV preachers, especially from USA, and have you noticed that they are very "afraid" of guiding you with Scripture?

Have you not noticed that these preachers are very inclined to tell you some made-up or inadequate stories that leave you spiritually very empty in the end after hearing them?

You leave their preaching sessions without having earned a penny of truth from what they, these wolves of the Devil, have told you?

Therefore, give ear now, for I am indeed God's true witness speaking to you. I can guide you, I can bind those false devils, I can prove from Scripture whatever I say, that it is true, and that what those sons of the Devil tell is falsehood!

Therefore, stop listening to the Devil's false advocates and give instead ear to what I do tell you, for my words are strong and true and cannot be refuted by those I do criticize!

If you do not believe it then give yourself the chance to see it! Read what has been said earlier by me against these devils and be convinced!

If not, then do not come on the great day of judgment with accusations against me, that I did not warn you! What happens to you is now in your own hand if you reject my testimony!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 44486139


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 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


I now see that you do not consider it to be the truth what I tell you as God's true witness, disbelieving me (even without reason), so I therefore will no more write to you but let you instead go to those who you find worthy of being listened to by you, and I said "by you".

God is not, nor are His true witnesses, anymore going to let those who are dishonest play with the truth as though it were a choice of their own hands, for the truth is above their imagination and even out of their reach.


Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Hello PJ,
I was bumping your comment for it to reappear in the leading threads on the forum / page 1.
I am unsure about your reaction today and sorry if i did offend you in any way.
I was actually looking forward to your next explanation regarding revelation.
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Thank you for your explanation! :)

Greetings from
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I now see that you do not consider it to be the truth what I tell you as God's true witness, disbelieving me (even without reason), so I therefore will no more write to you but let you instead go to those who you find worthy of being listened to by you, and I said "by you".

God is not, nor are His true witnesses, anymore going to let those who are dishonest play with the truth as though it were a choice of their own hands, for the truth is above their imagination and even out of their reach.


Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 16777965


Hello PJ,
I was bumping your comment for it to reappear in the leading threads on the forum / page 1.
I am unsure about your reaction today and sorry if i did offend you in any way.
I was actually looking forward to your next explanation regarding revelation.
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Thank you for your explanation! :)

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 16777965


hf
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Dear people,

As is said in the following video many people claim to be one or both of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3:

[link to www.youtube.com]

The person who speaks has made many videos with varying quality for truth, but one important thing she gets out right, namely that the true two witnesses of God are well-established in Scripture, so what they say is therefore Scripture, and they have no need of human acceptance.

I stand in a way now before your eyes as one who say that he is sent by the Lord, and I have always, as can be seen from my posts, referred you to Scripture.

Of course I do stand guilty in those people's eyes who do not understand or care about my references to Scripture, and that experience of the true two witnesses is also foretold.

So know therefore these things:

1) a true witness does not speak rubbish, i.e. things contradictory to Scripture.

2) a true witness tells what is true.

3) a true witness is capable of refuting false teachings and doctrine from his firm basis in Scripture.

4) a true witness both destroys and puts something better instead of that which is destroyed.

5) a true witness cannot be refuted, for truth is stronger than falsehood.

6) a true witness has perseverance in the work he does in order that people be redeemed from the grips of falsehood.

7) a true witness can even tell you who sent him to speak to you, if he chooses to do so, in order that you may look at the stones on the scales and make your decision.

8) a true witness has deep sorrow in his heart and soul at seeing how lost people are and how maimed people are by all those who hurt the branch of justice and a good conscience that God has given to the whole world.

9) a true witness is just an ordinary person, not your superior, only a subordinate soul together with his other sisters and brothers in the love of our Lord.

10) a true witness feels that his work and testimony is always such that he could possibly have done in a better way than he did and thereby helped even more people.

11) a true witness stands always accused by Satan.

12) a true witness always stands in front of the Lord with these words in his heart and mouth (Ro 7:24-25):

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 Quoting: The Bible


So, dear people, forgive me that I spoke these words to you!

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Dear people,

In the following video this Monica Dennington, who told you in the former video that I posted how to recognize God's true witnesses of Rev 11:3, completely loses track of Scripture:

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She even says that she is the voice of the Holy Spirit! According to her own words and standards that is the way dishonest people exalt themselves!

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And she has told you how you should recognize a self-exalting person, one who claim without good reason to be God's witness!
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I now see that you do not consider it to be the truth what I tell you as God's true witness, disbelieving me (even without reason), so I therefore will no more write to you but let you instead go to those who you find worthy of being listened to by you, and I said "by you".

God is not, nor are His true witnesses, anymore going to let those who are dishonest play with the truth as though it were a choice of their own hands, for the truth is above their imagination and even out of their reach.


Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 16777965


Hello PJ,
I was bumping your comment for it to reappear in the leading threads on the forum / page 1.
I am unsure about your reaction today and sorry if i did offend you in any way.
I was actually looking forward to your next explanation regarding revelation.
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Thank you for your explanation! :)

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 16777965


hf
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


You are a very good example for all people to follow, and I am indeed very thankful for you.

I learn from your being a good example, so meeting you is a nice and important experience for me.

I also wish you out there all the best, for isn't it nice to meet a person who is even "nicer" than you and I am! :). Okay, forgive me, nicer than me anyway! I do not know about you! That is another spoonful of fish oil!

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Hello PJ,
I was bumping your comment for it to reappear in the leading threads on the forum / page 1.
I am unsure about your reaction today and sorry if i did offend you in any way.
I was actually looking forward to your next explanation regarding revelation.
One Love,
D.
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


Thank you for your explanation! :)

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 16777965


hf
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


You are a very good example for all people to follow, and I am indeed very thankful for you.

I learn from your being a good example, so meeting you is a nice and important experience for me.

I also wish you out there all the best, for isn't it nice to meet a person who is even "nicer" than you and I am! :). Okay, forgive me, nicer than me anyway! I do not know about you! That is another spoonful of fish oil!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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Thank you PJ for your good words.
It is also a pleasure to have met you on this forum.
I have learnt a lot about the Sammi culture and this is also thanks to you!
Nice people are everywhere, despite what we are trained to believe.
One Love,
D.
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First part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,
I will now start my writings to you on the contents of Rev 12 beginning with a reference to what is written in Rev 5: 1-4:

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
 Quoting: The Bible


The book written within and on the backside is the Bible with its prophecies. The prophesies are visible to man as letter, which is what "on the backside" means. In addition to being written on the backside the prophecies are also "written within", which means that they have a spiritual meaning hidden to man.

The first verse of the book of Revelation reads "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to SHOW unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;" and this is why John wept when he heard that no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Since it was first said that the revelation of Jesus Christ was given to show God's people hidden things John knew when he afterwards heard that no man was found worthy to open and read the book that this unworthiness meant apostacy. That was the reason why he wept.

It is therefore important for all to realize that whoever steps forward to expound the contents of the book of Revelation must first of all reveal the biblical facts that show that he is in the right and position to expound the secrets of the book of Revelation. All of those on GLP who claim to know the true contents of the book of Revelation, are in fact dishonest, and in my next writing I will show you why this is an irrefutable and sad fact!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Second part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

I will now continue my exposition of the twelfth chapter in book of Revelation. As I said in part 1 concerning the contents of chapter 5 John wept when he heard that nobody, not even in heaven (the church on earth), was found worthy to open the seals of the book. Before that he described in the first three chapters what our Lord had revealed to him, which was that the apostolic churches were spiritually dying. On this basis we therefore know that already in late first century AD the opposite spirit of Jesus Christ, namely that of the Antichrist, was already at full work. In chapter 4 John was given to enter an open door to see what belonged to a still later time in the NT time period. That is why he writes these words (Rev 4:2) "And immediately I was in the spirit", for only in the spirit could he see things that belonged in the future. Chapter 4 describes in its spiritual sense the things that must follow when the time period of the falling away is coming to an end, and in chapter 5 we are being told in what manner God reveals the Wicked (2 Thes 2:8) when He again brings the first-born into the world (Heb 1:6) to slay the Antichrist with the breath of His mouth, as said in 2 Thes 2:8. The contents of chapter 6 reveal what and who the Antichrist is, and tells us at the end that a great destruction kills the Wicked one in historical sense. Chapter 7 describes the coming of the man child with the seal of the living God to mark God's servants before the great destruction comes, which is called the great tribulation. The number of those who will be sealed is 144000, and their sealing takes place in the beginning of the time period of the sixth seal, during which God's witnesses work in the Gentile world. The sealed ones are called "the firstfruits" in comparison with those who are called "a great multitude" in Rev 7:9 and will be such who come to faith after the great destruction. In Rev 10:1-6 Scripture takes us back to the time when the man child comes with a little open book, thus being Jesus Christ's spiritual coming through His servant. Only when He comes can the 7 seals of the book be opened and the Antichrist be revealed. This belongs in the Gentile world. Afterwards, when the seventh seal is opened, about which we read in chapter 8:1, the time period of the Jews begoms. Then comes a parallell description to the seals, namely the 7 trumpets. We find from Rev 8:2 to the end of that chapter the first four of the 7 trumpets, the rest following in Rev 9:1-14, with Rev 9:15 telling about the same great destruction as did the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17. We thus see that the 7 seals and the 7 trumpets describe the same things, only with different symbols to make it easier for us to understand them. When the seventh angel sounds the trumpet comes the time period of the Jews, as shown in Rev 10:7. Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

This is what these chapters contain, and I will continue my exposition until we arrive at chapter 12, which is an overview of the whole NT time. We will take a close look at its contents to see that what I say is the truth.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Third part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

In part 2 we reached to the contents of chapter 10 in the book of Revelation, and we touched upon the mighty angel who came down from heaven and who was clothed with a cloud. Who is this angel and how can we know the right answer?

When we learn that he has a rainbow upon his head and, in addition, that his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, we are helped on the way, for part of the description we also find in Rev 1:12-17. Let us therefore read the text:

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
 Quoting: The Bible


What do we learn if not that the mighty angel is in a covenant relation with God Almighty, for that is why he has a rainbow upon his head, a token that reminds us of what is said in Gen 9:8-15:

And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
 Quoting: The Bible


The face of the angel was as it were the sun, so we therefore know that his face and head symbolize Jesus Christ, who is the light of the sun according to Rev 21:23, and his feet that were as pillars of fire mean that God's spirit was the power in which he walked. Since he also had a little open book in his hand, as said in Rev 10:2, we know that this angel is the messenger of God through whom our Lord returns as a thief, which is what the cloud symbolizes. That the book is open means that the seals of the book mentioned in Rev 5:1 are opened and the secrets of it revealed to this messenger, for he is the man child in Rev 12:5 through whom the Lord comes back after the falling away with a new covenant for mankind either to accept or to reject.

That he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, as seen in Rev 10:2, means that his greater judgment is proclaimed against false religion and the lesser against wordliness, but both will be thrown into the furnace of God's judgment.

What else these things mean I will tell you in my next post, in part 4.

May God help you and bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Fourth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,


I will now write you more on the contents of chapter 10 and chapter 11 in the book of Revelation. In order that you may see what time period these things cover I will first refer you to an important structural fact given in the book of Revelation, as we can see when we read Rev 9:12-13 and Rev 11:14

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 9:12-13)

The second woe is past; and , behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 11:14-15)

The structure shown is that the first woe consists of 5 trumpets, the second woe of the sixth trumpet, and the third woe of the seventh trumpet.

When the sixth seal is opened (Rev 6:12) and the sixth trumpet sounded (Rev 9:14), which are two different descriptions of the same time period, there is added additional information both on the contents of the sixth seal and on the contents of the sixth trumpet, as we can see when we read Rev 10 and Rev 11. These two chapters therefore describe what happens in the time period of the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, things that take place before the seventh seal is opened and the seventh trumpet sounded. What I say here does not contradict what we read about the seventh angel (trumpet) in Rev 10:7.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
 Quoting: The Bible


This verse does not say that the seventh trumpet was sounded at this stage in biblical history but that it will be sounded in the future.

That the mighty angel in Rev 10:1 swore, as we see in Rev 10:6, that there should be time no longer means that the end time of the beast was come.

And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
 Quoting: The Bible


What is said in Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

I write these things in the hope that you see the structure of the book of Revelation, which will help you a lot when we start looking at the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation. That we will do next time. The twelfth chapter goes back to the start of NT time and leads us from that time forward even until the end of the NT time.

Next time I will enlarge upon the contents of Rev 12 and show you from elsewhere in the Bible why what I say is true.

Until then, may God bless you!

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First part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,
I will now start my writings to you on the contents of Rev 12 beginning with a reference to what is written in Rev 5: 1-4:

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
 Quoting: The Bible


The book written within and on the backside is the Bible with its prophecies. The prophesies are visible to man as letter, which is what "on the backside" means. In addition to being written on the backside the prophecies are also "written within", which means that they have a spiritual meaning hidden to man.

The first verse of the book of Revelation reads "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to SHOW unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;" and this is why John wept when he heard that no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Since it was first said that the revelation of Jesus Christ was given to show God's people hidden things John knew when he afterwards heard that no man was found worthy to open and read the book that this unworthiness meant apostacy. That was the reason why he wept.

It is therefore important for all to realize that whoever steps forward to expound the contents of the book of Revelation must first of all reveal the biblical facts that show that he is in the right and position to expound the secrets of the book of Revelation. All of those on GLP who claim to know the true contents of the book of Revelation, are in fact dishonest, and in my next writing I will show you why this is an irrefutable and sad fact!

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Second part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

I will now continue my exposition of the twelfth chapter in book of Revelation. As I said in part 1 concerning the contents of chapter 5 John wept when he heard that nobody, not even in heaven (the church on earth), was found worthy to open the seals of the book. Before that he described in the first three chapters what our Lord had revealed to him, which was that the apostolic churches were spiritually dying. On this basis we therefore know that already in late first century AD the opposite spirit of Jesus Christ, namely that of the Antichrist, was already at full work. In chapter 4 John was given to enter an open door to see what belonged to a still later time in the NT time period. That is why he writes these words (Rev 4:2) "And immediately I was in the spirit", for only in the spirit could he see things that belonged in the future. Chapter 4 describes in its spiritual sense the things that must follow when the time period of the falling away is coming to an end, and in chapter 5 we are being told in what manner God reveals the Wicked (2 Thes 2:8) when He again brings the first-born into the world (Heb 1:6) to slay the Antichrist with the breath of His mouth, as said in 2 Thes 2:8. The contents of chapter 6 reveal what and who the Antichrist is, and tells us at the end that a great destruction kills the Wicked one in historical sense. Chapter 7 describes the coming of the man child with the seal of the living God to mark God's servants before the great destruction comes, which is called the great tribulation. The number of those who will be sealed is 144000, and their sealing takes place in the beginning of the time period of the sixth seal, during which God's witnesses work in the Gentile world. The sealed ones are called "the firstfruits" in comparison with those who are called "a great multitude" in Rev 7:9 and will be such who come to faith after the great destruction. In Rev 10:1-6 Scripture takes us back to the time when the man child comes with a little open book, thus being Jesus Christ's spiritual coming through His servant. Only when He comes can the 7 seals of the book be opened and the Antichrist be revealed. This belongs in the Gentile world. Afterwards, when the seventh seal is opened, about which we read in chapter 8:1, the time period of the Jews begoms. Then comes a parallell description to the seals, namely the 7 trumpets. We find from Rev 8:2 to the end of that chapter the first four of the 7 trumpets, the rest following in Rev 9:1-14, with Rev 9:15 telling about the same great destruction as did the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17. We thus see that the 7 seals and the 7 trumpets describe the same things, only with different symbols to make it easier for us to understand them. When the seventh angel sounds the trumpet comes the time period of the Jews, as shown in Rev 10:7. Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

This is what these chapters contain, and I will continue my exposition until we arrive at chapter 12, which is an overview of the whole NT time. We will take a close look at its contents to see that what I say is the truth.

Greetings from
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Third part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

In part 2 we reached to the contents of chapter 10 in the book of Revelation, and we touched upon the mighty angel who came down from heaven and who was clothed with a cloud. Who is this angel and how can we know the right answer?

When we learn that he has a rainbow upon his head and, in addition, that his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, we are helped on the way, for part of the description we also find in Rev 1:12-17. Let us therefore read the text:

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
 Quoting: The Bible


What do we learn if not that the mighty angel is in a covenant relation with God Almighty, for that is why he has a rainbow upon his head, a token that reminds us of what is said in Gen 9:8-15:

And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
 Quoting: The Bible


The face of the angel was as it were the sun, so we therefore know that his face and head symbolize Jesus Christ, who is the light of the sun according to Rev 21:23, and his feet that were as pillars of fire mean that God's spirit was the power in which he walked. Since he also had a little open book in his hand, as said in Rev 10:2, we know that this angel is the messenger of God through whom our Lord returns as a thief, which is what the cloud symbolizes. That the book is open means that the seals of the book mentioned in Rev 5:1 are opened and the secrets of it revealed to this messenger, for he is the man child in Rev 12:5 through whom the Lord comes back after the falling away with a new covenant for mankind either to accept or to reject.

That he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, as seen in Rev 10:2, means that his greater judgment is proclaimed against false religion and the lesser against wordliness, but both will be thrown into the furnace of God's judgment.

What else these things mean I will tell you in my next post, in part 4.

May God help you and bless you!

Greetings from
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Fourth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,


I will now write you more on the contents of chapter 10 and chapter 11 in the book of Revelation. In order that you may see what time period these things cover I will first refer you to an important structural fact given in the book of Revelation, as we can see when we read Rev 9:12-13 and Rev 11:14

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 9:12-13)

The second woe is past; and , behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 11:14-15)

The structure shown is that the first woe consists of 5 trumpets, the second woe of the sixth trumpet, and the third woe of the seventh trumpet.

When the sixth seal is opened (Rev 6:12) and the sixth trumpet sounded (Rev 9:14), which are two different descriptions of the same time period, there is added additional information both on the contents of the sixth seal and on the contents of the sixth trumpet, as we can see when we read Rev 10 and Rev 11. These two chapters therefore describe what happens in the time period of the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, things that take place before the seventh seal is opened and the seventh trumpet sounded. What I say here does not contradict what we read about the seventh angel (trumpet) in Rev 10:7.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
 Quoting: The Bible


This verse does not say that the seventh trumpet was sounded at this stage in biblical history but that it will be sounded in the future.

That the mighty angel in Rev 10:1 swore, as we see in Rev 10:6, that there should be time no longer means that the end time of the beast was come.

And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
 Quoting: The Bible


What is said in Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

I write these things in the hope that you see the structure of the book of Revelation, which will help you a lot when we start looking at the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation. That we will do next time. The twelfth chapter goes back to the start of NT time and leads us from that time forward even until the end of the NT time.

Next time I will enlarge upon the contents of Rev 12 and show you from elsewhere in the Bible why what I say is true.

Until then, may God bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Fifth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us now look into the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation and compare what we find with equivalent texts elsewhere in the Bible. We will consider the whole chapter and see where those things belong that we have not yet looked at in depth in chapter 10 and 11, or not even mentioned.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
 Quoting: The Bible


The heaven where there appeared a great wonder is what Scripture calls "Mount Sion" in Heb 12:22-24:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
 Quoting: The Bible


We thus understand that the heaven meant in Rev 12:1 is the foundation of God's apostolic church on earth, which is the Holy Scripture. On this foundation appeared a great wonder, and that wonder was the apostolic church, which Scripture calls a woman and the bride of Jesus Christ. This church was indeed a great wonder through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ. That the woman was clothed with the sun means that her spiritual life was God Himself, as we can see when we read Psalm 84:11:

For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
 Quoting: The Bible


The moon which was under her feet is the moon which we can read about in Isa 60:20, that it shall not withdraw itself, but continue to give light. This moon is God's holy law, as is said in Prov 6:23:

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
 Quoting: The Bible


Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
 Quoting: The Bible
(Isa 60:20)

The scriptures that I have quoted prove that woman is the apostolic church, her sun God, and her moon God's law. The moon was under her foot because she was not under the judgment of the law but rather walked on and according to the law, for it was the city's street of pure gold, as said in Rev 21:21.

The crown of twelve stars on her head is the true gospel that the twelve apostles preached, and that gospel was founded on the woman's head who is Jesus Christ. That the woman being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered means that the apostolic church had to suffer a lot for her faith in Jesus Christ and for preaching the true gospel.

This is what Rev 12:1-2 reveals to us, and in my next post we shall look at the next sign that follows and which is seen in heaven, though it was not that wonderful.

May God bless you!

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Dear people,

I warn you against the following false preacher, for her words contradict Scripture.

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She makes her own dream into an urgent message which is not consistent with the Bible but instead contradicts it. We are now living in the time period of the sixth seal and trumpet, so her telling you about Jesus coming is a lie and a fallacy.

She does not know that Scripture tells us that Jesus comes only in the spiritual sense when the sixth trumpet is sounded, and in person only on the last day.

Therefore she is false! She makes her own dreams more important than Scripture, which makes her dream an abomination.

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The sixth part of my exposition on the book of Revelation, and specifically on the twelfth chapter of that book, demands a greater length than the first five posts.

I therefore ask you not to have any doubts even though my sixth part will take some time.

I like to explain things in suitable portions but sometimes the things considered are more intertwined and complex than can be expounded in a linear way.

What I mean is that when chapter 12 of the book of Revelation describes the second sign in heaven, the beast, it will be more orderly first to consider the beast as described in Rev 12:3-4, i.e. as in an overall picture, before we go into the details about it as revealed by the first five seals and the first five trumpets, and especially by the third, fourth, and fifth seal and the third, fourth, and fifth trumpet.

The beast in Rev 12:3-4 is furthermore described in Rev 13, but mainly as the opponent and enemy of God's true people and not as much as a composite beast as by the seals and trumpets.

What Rev 14 reveals we will look at later when the secret of the beast has been found on the basis of Holy Scripture.

May God bless you!

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Dear ExploringTheTruth,

The sixth part of my exposition on the book of Revelation, and specifically on the twelfth chapter of that book, demands a greater length than the first five posts.

I therefore ask you not to have any doubts even though my sixth part will take some time.

I like to explain things in suitable portions but sometimes the things considered are more intertwined and complex than can be expounded in a linear way.

What I mean is that when chapter 12 of the book of Revelation describes the second sign in heaven, the beast, it will be more orderly first to consider the beast as described in Rev 12:3-4, i.e. as in an overall picture, before we go into the details about it as revealed by the first five seals and the first five trumpets, and especially by the third, fourth, and fifth seal and the third, fourth, and fifth trumpet.

The beast in Rev 12:3-4 is furthermore described in Rev 13, but mainly as the opponent and enemy of God's true people and not as much as a composite beast as by the seals and trumpets.

What Rev 14 reveals we will look at later when the secret of the beast has been found on the basis of Holy Scripture.

May God bless you!

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Dear people,

all of you who read what I write about the book of Revelation!

You may certainly doubt what I tell you, especially since you must have heard so many differing and confusing explanations about the contents of the book of Revelation that all today's would-be witnesses of Rev 11:3 try to foist on you.

I dare give you a sign, which is this:

Nobody of them, however huge the number of those wiseacres might be in our world today, will have the power to refute my words or the capacity to put forward anything better, or such that I cannot tear to pieces.

Yes, these are big words but let reality judge between them and me, and let the coming days prove it if anybody of their army speaks the truth and that my words only reveal delusion of grandeur on my part, compared to them!

Woe those liars! The heavenly war will totally destroy them and their lies and furthermore reveal God's redeeming truth to those who with perseverance seek a good conscience, even through great sorrows!

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Dear people, you who seek the truth,

Here is one more of those poor stupid people who think they are one (or both) of the true two witnesses of Revelation.

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I ask you if you believe that God's true messengers will try to speak about the truth as found in the Bible or just speak it and prove it as well?

I feel really sorry for these people, being deceived by Satan, for how can a person believe that he is a special God's messenger without knowing Scripture, without having been called by strong signs, and without having been given a minimum of discernment to know if what he or she is doing and saying is consistent with Holy Scripture, and take the consequences of his or her words of truth?

Notice, dear people, God's true two witnesses will speak with authority and not as all these idiots do, wavering as though they were a losing opponent at a boxing event after having taken a series of heavy blows.

God's true witnesses are one piece with the mercy seat, being cherubs (or, in Hebrew, cherubim), and being what they are they will never flinch, not even at the cost of their lives.

So, dear people, start looking into Scripture instead of listening to all these lunatics, for God is going to make all of them seem ridiculous in their stupidity and delusion of grandeur, for in doing so they actually are making the work of God's true witnesses more difficult.

Therefore, their doom is certain and heavy!

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Dear people, you who seek the Lord and His truth,

Here is one more lunatic, sent by the Devil:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I dare say that if we met, that so-called witness of God, as he claim to be, would, if we were to discuss the Bible with me, be refuted as a liar within 5 minutes (supposed he speaks for 4 minutes and 50 seconds, as impostors usually do in order to escape!).

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Dear people, you who seek the Lord and His truth,

Here is one more lunatic, sent by the Devil:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I dare say that if we met, that so-called witness of God, as he claims to be, would, if we were to discuss the Bible with me, be refuted as a liar within 5 minutes (supposed he speaks for 4 minutes and 50 seconds, as impostors usually do in order to escape!).

The often have recourse to verbosity in order to escape questions put to them that they do not like!


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Dear people, you who seek the Lord and His truth,

Here is one more lunatic, sent by the Devil:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I dare say that if we met, that so-called witness of God, as he claims to be, would, if we were to discuss the Bible with me, be refuted as a liar within 5 minutes (supposed he speaks for 4 minutes and 50 seconds, as impostors usually do in order to escape!).

They often have recourse to verbosity in order to use up time and space so that they possibly escape questions put to them that they do not like!


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Dear people,

There is a person here on GLP who uses the nick Waterman and writes a lot of rubbish on things related to the Bible. I warn you against listening to him, for he is totally false. I will comment on some of his posts to show you why he is not of God but instead of the apostasy. I have criticized him on his own thread but only to see that he always deletes my relevant comments and arguments against what he propogate.

Let us now look at what this person says and weigh it in the scales of Scripture.

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There is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation, revelation 2:10 shows that:.....the 10 days of tribulation are 10 years or 42 months added in front of the 7 year trib
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
It is nowhere found in Scripture that the so-called tribulation will last for 7 years, so that is an empty and unfounded doctrine. The 10 days of tribulation in Rev 2:10 has got nothing to do with the 42 months in Rev 13:5. He is as ignorant as to say that the 42 montsh are added in front of the dreamed-up 7 year tribulation, not knowing that the 42 months are 1260 years in prophetic reckoning and make up the time period of the beast in Rev 13. This time period consists of the third trumpet, the fourth trumpet, and the fifth trumpet, all included in what is called the first woe, whereas the great tribulation belongs in the time of the second woe. These thing I know and can prove from Scripture beyond refutation!

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The united states is the land of milk and honey it is the greatest nation the world will ever see until the new heaven and new earth come
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman first quotes Rev 2:10 and then comments on it as though the verse applies to the united states instead of to the angel and church of Smyrna as clearly said in Rev 2:8. Whatever the greatness of the united states might be it has nonetheless no relevance whatsoever to Rev 2:8-10. Therefore, Waterman's comparison is far-fetched and stupid!

my thread on the last day servant...there are two witnesses but the 2nd is always greater than the first, example (Aaron and Moses, John and Jesus, steven and paul...etc:

Thread: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God

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My comment:
Again Waterman is dreaming up things, his own figments, without having any basis in Scripture. According to Scripture it is Jesus Christ who is the prince of Israel, as seen in Acts 5:31, and none of the two witnesses:

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: The Bible


There is just one "the prince of Israel", and neither of the two witnesses can therefore be that prince of Israel. Waterman is talking rubbish.


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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman is again presenting his own figments without any basis in Scripture. Where is it said in Scripture that the ten lost tribes are the feminine half of Israel? Nowhere! What is lost is gone, and Scripture clearly shows that God rejected the ten tribes of historical Israel for ever. Read 2 Kings 1718-20:

Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was NONE left but the tribe of Judah only. Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. And [bthe LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them OUT OF HIS SIGHT.
 Quoting: The Bible


What is cast out of God's sight is removed forever! Therefore, the whole construction of Waterman's figments fall apart. This is proven by what is said in Zech 11:14 where Scripture foretells that there will be no unity between "Israel" and Judah in NT time, for that verse applies to our time since it is connected with the second staff called Bands.


That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
 Quoting: Waterman



2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
These comments of Waterman on the woman in Rev 12 are not consistent with Scripture. Though it is true that the woman is spiritual, being the true apostolic church, it is a lie of his to say that "clothed in the sun" means that she is the glory of the nations, for in the apostolic time the nations persecuted the church instead of honouring her. His next lie is to say that the moon under the feet of the woman in Rev 12:1 has got to do with the united states having conquered the moon. That is just rubbish, as my posts to ExploringTheTruth on the book of Revelation prove, for why should the woman herself be spiritual while the moon upon which she stands is literal.

Waterman has therefore made a mess of his hermeneutics!

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Dear people,

There is a person here on GLP who uses the nick Waterman and writes a lot of rubbish on things related to the Bible. I warn you against listening to him, for he is totally false. I will comment on some of his posts to show you why he is not of God but instead of the apostasy. I have criticized him on his own thread but only to see that he always deletes my relevant comments and arguments against what he propogate.

Let us now look at what this person says and weigh it in the scales of Scripture.

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There is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation, revelation 2:10 shows that:.....the 10 days of tribulation are 10 years or 42 months added in front of the 7 year trib
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
It is nowhere found in Scripture that the so-called tribulation will last for 7 years, so that is an empty and unfounded doctrine. The 10 days of tribulation in Rev 2:10 has got nothing to do with the 42 months in Rev 13:5. He is as ignorant as to say that the 42 montsh are added in front of the dreamed-up 7 year tribulation, not knowing that the 42 months are 1260 years in prophetic reckoning and make up the time period of the beast in Rev 13. This time period consists of the third trumpet, the fourth trumpet, and the fifth trumpet, all included in what is called the first woe, whereas the great tribulation belongs in the time of the second woe. These thing I know and can prove from Scripture beyond refutation!

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The united states is the land of milk and honey it is the greatest nation the world will ever see until the new heaven and new earth come
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman first quotes Rev 2:10 and then comments on it as though the verse applies to the united states instead of to the angel and church of Smyrna as clearly said in Rev 2:8. Whatever the greatness of the united states might be it has nonetheless no relevance whatsoever to Rev 2:8-10. Therefore, Waterman's comparison is far-fetched and stupid!

my thread on the last day servant...there are two witnesses but the 2nd is always greater than the first, example (Aaron and Moses, John and Jesus, steven and paul...etc:

Thread: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God

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 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Again Waterman is dreaming up things, his own figments, without having any basis in Scripture. According to Scripture it is Jesus Christ who is the prince of Israel, as seen in Acts 5:31, and none of the two witnesses:

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: The Bible


There is just one "the prince of Israel", and neither of the two witnesses can therefore be that prince of Israel. Waterman is talking rubbish.


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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman is again presenting his own figments without any basis in Scripture. Where is it said in Scripture that the ten lost tribes are the feminine half of Israel? Nowhere! What is lost is gone, and Scripture clearly shows that God rejected the ten tribes of historical Israel for ever. Read 2 Kings 1718-20:

Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was NONE left but the tribe of Judah only. Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them OUT OF HIS SIGHT.
 Quoting: The Bible


What is cast out of God's sight is removed forever! Therefore, the whole construction of Waterman's figments fall apart. This is proven by what is said in Zech 11:14 where Scripture foretells that there will be no unity between "Israel" and Judah in NT time, for that verse applies to our time since it is connected with the second staff called Bands.


That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.


2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
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My comment:
These comments of Waterman on the woman in Rev 12 are not consistent with Scripture. Though it is true that the woman is spiritual, being the true apostolic church, it is a lie of his to say that "clothed in the sun" means that she is the glory of the nations, for in the apostolic time the nations persecuted the church instead of honoring her. His next lie is to say that the moon under the feet of the woman in Rev 12:1 has got to do with the united states having conquered the moon. That is just rubbish, as my posts to ExploringTheTruth on the book of Revelation prove, for why should the woman herself be spiritual while the moon upon which she stands is literal.

Waterman has therefore made a mess of his hermeneutics!

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Dear people,

Now you see that Waterman is just a twister of the Holy Scripture, so beware of him and his lies.

If what I have said is not enough for you to see that he is indeed exposed as a false teacher, then I will strike him more and destroy his twistings.

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Dear you who seek the truth,

Let me warn you against the falsehood presented in the following video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

In this video it is implied, even said, that historical Jews will kill God's true two witnesses of Rev 11:3. That is a heinous lie which contradicts Scripture. The reason is this:

1) The two witnesses starts their work in the beginning of the time period of the sixth seal and sixth trumpet, which is still the time of the Gentiles, whereas the Jews' time period will be that of the seventh seal and seventh trumpet. The Jews will have no part in killing these two prophets of God. The whole act will be perpetrated by Gentiles, even short time before God stamps out the power of the nations.

2) In the video the seventy weeks of Daniel 9:24 are divided in such a way that the last week, the seventeenth, is disconnected from the previous weeks and said to be in the time of the great tribulation of Mat 24:21. What they do not know is that while the last week (the seventeenth one, in the midst of which Jesus died) ended in 36 AD, the great tribulation will take place in the beginning of the time period of the sixth seal and sixth trumpet. There is therefore no connection between the seventeenth week of Dan 9:24 and the great tribulation that Jesus foretells.

3) In the video they are also stupid enough to place what they call "2nd coming" (of Jesus) after the great tribulation and before the millennium, not knowing that Jesus comes spiritually BEFORE the great tribulation and not after it. They are also ignorant of the biblical fact that the millennium is a spiritual time which starts with the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ through his servant, the man child in Rev 12:5.

4) In their placing of the Abomination of Desolation in the midst of the seventeenth week, which they have wrongly placed in the the time of the great tribulation that comes after the sounding of the sixth trumpet, they are totally lost and just messing up Scripture!

Know therefore that they are false teachers and twisters of Holy Scripture!

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Dear people,

There is a person here on GLP who uses the nick Waterman and writes a lot of rubbish on things related to the Bible. I warn you against listening to him, for he is totally false. I will comment on some of his posts to show you why he is not of God but instead of the apostasy. I have criticized him on his own thread but only to see that he always deletes my relevant comments and arguments against what he propogate.

Let us now look at what this person says and weigh it in the scales of Scripture.

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There is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation, revelation 2:10 shows that:.....the 10 days of tribulation are 10 years or 42 months added in front of the 7 year trib
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My comment:
It is nowhere found in Scripture that the so-called tribulation will last for 7 years, so that is an empty and unfounded doctrine. The 10 days of tribulation in Rev 2:10 has got nothing to do with the 42 months in Rev 13:5. He is as ignorant as to say that the 42 montsh are added in front of the dreamed-up 7 year tribulation, not knowing that the 42 months are 1260 years in prophetic reckoning and make up the time period of the beast in Rev 13. This time period consists of the third trumpet, the fourth trumpet, and the fifth trumpet, all included in what is called the first woe, whereas the great tribulation belongs in the time of the second woe. These thing I know and can prove from Scripture beyond refutation!

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The united states is the land of milk and honey it is the greatest nation the world will ever see until the new heaven and new earth come
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman first quotes Rev 2:10 and then comments on it as though the verse applies to the united states instead of to the angel and church of Smyrna as clearly said in Rev 2:8. Whatever the greatness of the united states might be it has nonetheless no relevance whatsoever to Rev 2:8-10. Therefore, Waterman's comparison is far-fetched and stupid!

my thread on the last day servant...there are two witnesses but the 2nd is always greater than the first, example (Aaron and Moses, John and Jesus, steven and paul...etc:

Thread: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God

Last Edited by waterman on 11/15/2012 10:01 PM
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Again Waterman is dreaming up things, his own figments, without having any basis in Scripture. According to Scripture it is Jesus Christ who is the prince of Israel, as seen in Acts 5:31, and none of the two witnesses:

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: The Bible


There is just one "the prince of Israel", and neither of the two witnesses can therefore be that prince of Israel. Waterman is talking rubbish.


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Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet with 12 stars:

The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half or Israel Judah is the male.
Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
Here Waterman is again presenting his own figments without any basis in Scripture. Where is it said in Scripture that the ten lost tribes are the feminine half of Israel? Nowhere! What is lost is gone, and Scripture clearly shows that God rejected the ten tribes of historical Israel for ever. Read 2 Kings 1718-20:

Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was NONE left but the tribe of Judah only. Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them OUT OF HIS SIGHT.
 Quoting: The Bible


What is cast out of God's sight is removed forever! Therefore, the whole construction of Waterman's figments fall apart. This is proven by what is said in Zech 11:14 where Scripture foretells that there will be no unity between "Israel" and Judah in NT time, for that verse applies to our time since it is connected with the second staff called Bands.


That is showing you spiritual Israel:
1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female:
Exodus 4:22-23:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.


2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel

3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations)

4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet.
 Quoting: Waterman


My comment:
These comments of Waterman on the woman in Rev 12 are not consistent with Scripture. Though it is true that the woman is spiritual, being the true apostolic church, it is a lie of his to say that "clothed in the sun" means that she is the glory of the nations, for in the apostolic time the nations persecuted the church instead of honoring her. His next lie is to say that the moon under the feet of the woman in Rev 12:1 has got to do with the united states having conquered the moon. That is just rubbish, as my posts to ExploringTheTruth on the book of Revelation prove, for why should the woman herself be spiritual while the moon upon which she stands is literal.

Waterman has therefore made a mess of his hermeneutics!

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For you to know, dear readers who seek the truth,

This criticism of Waterman by me above was also posted on his thread but as the dastard he is he deleted it instead of proving my arguments against him to be wrong!

What he does not know is that whatever he says and does in his position of a liar he will lose and not escape, for this is the foretold heavenly war going on in which all the sons and daughters of the Antichrist will be revealed and refuted, and after that totally destroyed by God in the great tribulation!

That is the way the Antichrist will be blasted!

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Dear you,

I am now on a travel in the midst of Europe, meeting nice and interesting people, young and old, and I will say this:

Give ppl a chance to be nice and they will do their best.

Greetings from me,
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Dear you,

I am now on a travel in the midst of Europe, meeting nice and interesting people, young and old, and I will say this:

Give ppl a chance to be nice and they will do their best.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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hf

Safe trip PJ!!

One Love,
D.
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Dear you,

I am now on a travel in the midst of Europe, meeting nice and interesting people, young and old, and I will say this:

Give ppl a chance to be nice and they will do their best.

Greetings from me,
PehJeshuah
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hf

Safe trip PJ!!
One Love,
D.
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I am okay, being together with one of the best Saami specialists in the Hungarian language which gives me the opportunity to meet people who know their languages very well, being specialists in their own language, and also even in my Saami language, as Finno-ugrist language researchers and specialists, so I enjoy my trip.

As you know, I work with languages, so for me it is important always to study and learn.

:)

I am in a very good position as regards languages, for I can converse with people from all around the world.

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me, your brother,
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Dear you,

I give you my love and I can do it because I am experiencing that the Nordic justice is making itself felt here in the very corrupt country of Hungary.

They are very surprised when I react and shout at their stupid injustice, and tell them what they are, with their injustice system.

They ask me who I am to shout at them, and I tell them that they should not bother about it, for I am just wanting them to be just and rather care about what they do, for it will be known in the world.

So, they ask me. I say that I am the tears of my little brothers and sisters, asking YOU both to remember me and forget me. Rubbish was the answer, and I said: I will plant a rose and put its head up next year, and for whom, and will I cry while you laugh?

So, who are you, they ask me. I answer that I am what you will not know or expect, but I am just to you and whoever I meet a sound of silence. So, I said, now you know who I am. May God help you!

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More of you talking about you, as always.

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