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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

 
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I will wait till you come out of your lair.
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ProJoshua, what said to "totaly debunk" that Saul is not apostole. Please remember that it is said that after death of Judash there were election for twelth apostole. So Ireleand claims are serious.
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[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

God bless you.
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Thank you. I breifly seen sites you link. I can comment only that I suspect, that two witensses of apocalypse are John and Mark gospels and only that. Luc is said to be Paul pupil so he is obvious for suspect. And Mattew seems to be much better but remember that God needs only two witnesses is enough. I find strange things in Mattew that are like in Luc. Description of early Jesus age, trinity baptism at end, unprecise judgemnt (whoever you do it to smallest one - what does it mean is it one person or everybody you meet, even false needing people, how to detect it), changing of God Commandments (seems to be upgrading to more demanding ones, but it is change). Besides
In fact John and Mark seems to be more elegant and focus on what is really important.
Beside Luc and Mattew is known to be copy of Mark mostly.
I'm not sure of this approach and say sorry if it is something hurt you, but you are first encountered person who is anti Paul and does not block me so I want to share.
Remember that bible is catholic product and no one knows why it is like it is for real.
Even Genesis can be mixed very earily. What I recently observerd is that two craetions in 1 and 2 Genesis can be God creation which gave creation its stenght and Devil uses this strnght and do creation which tries to tempt Man. This to creations rather can not exist in peace as first is already complete and everything exists already.

God bless you.

Marek.

P.S. What a tons of text by them to scroll my message. I'm really impressed.
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Please give us some examples and pray you didn't just bare false witness against us.
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Your guilt be upon your own head Jezebel. The plagues have been called down. Your area singled out. Mock away woman. Mock away.
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If I be a Man of God, may all the plagues I have asked for find their targets. Amen.
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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I did not read the whole thread...but the two witnesses will be male and female... :)

If this was already discussed I'm sorry...just putting it out there...and please I don't do the bible talk...this comes from no book...

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I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT. paul was real, is real. these guys say GOD created this place yet can't control who makes the bible. come on get a brain!!!
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Evil exists, that a fact. God currently does not control everything. It could control this forum too or me, but He does not work like this apparently ( I would like to know why, maybe becouse it gives free will)
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ProJoshua, what said to "totaly debunk" that Saul is not apostole. Please remember that it is said that after death of Judash there were election for twelth apostole. So Ireleand claims are serious.
 Quoting: marc 44512118


[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

God bless you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49499947


Thank you. I breifly seen sites you link. I can comment only that I suspect, that two witensses of apocalypse are John and Mark gospels and only that. Luc is said to be Paul pupil so he is obvious for suspect. And Mattew seems to be much better but remember that God needs only two witnesses is enough. I find strange things in Mattew that are like in Luc. Description of early Jesus age, trinity baptism at end, unprecise judgemnt (whoever you do it to smallest one - what does it mean is it one person or everybody you meet, even false needing people, how to detect it), changing of God Commandments (seems to be upgrading to more demanding ones, but it is change). Besides
In fact John and Mark seems to be more elegant and focus on what is really important.
Beside Luc and Mattew is known to be copy of Mark mostly.
I'm not sure of this approach and say sorry if it is something hurt you, but you are first encountered person who is anti Paul and does not block me so I want to share.
Remember that bible is catholic product and no one knows why it is like it is for real.
Even Genesis can be mixed very earily. What I recently observerd is that two craetions in 1 and 2 Genesis can be God creation which gave creation its stenght and Devil uses this strnght and do creation which tries to tempt Man. This to creations rather can not exist in peace as first is already complete and everything exists already.

God bless you.

Marek.

P.S. What a tons of text by them to scroll my message. I'm really impressed.
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Hi Marek, you are welcome. I was emailed this from the author of jesuswordsonly in regards Luke. It should clear up some things. I was wary myself of Luke since he was Sauls right hand man but not so much now,

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

I believe all the gospels written by the true Apostles are trust-worthy. I am wary of Mark since he was not one of the 12. Yes that site is an excellent source of knowledge and wisdom. You will learn a lot from it, the stuff Mystery Babylon/Satan don't want you to know.
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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Said the blind man. I don't care what you think of me. You know nothing. How's Mystery Babylon these days? Silly goat.
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I did not read the whole thread...but the two witnesses will be male and female... :)

If this was already discussed I'm sorry...just putting it out there...and please I don't do the bible talk...this comes from no book...

hf
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You are welcome to your opinion but that is not biblical.
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I was hoping the weasel would have reared his ugly head by now but no, he knows I have him trapped so he does not have the courage to rear his snout.
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your only hope is that he controls everything! he does. where is your proof? think, it's there...
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I do not say He finally does not take care of everything, but currently there is thousands of nominations, etc. But now evil still works unfortunetly :(
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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Said the blind man. I don't care what you think of me. You know nothing. How's Mystery Babylon these days? Silly goat.
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HERE IS YOUR PROOF, a loser is shown by his fruit...
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lol how ironic coming from the likes of you. A false prophet and loser with delusions of grandeur. You have also tainted your children with your mental delusions. Look up the definition of a hypocrite 'Chip'. lmao
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You all will eat those words and it will taste very bitter while I continue to taste the sweetness.
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Have you bowed down to Mary today 'Chip'?

How is the Whore of Babylon today? lol I think it's absurd you claiming to be one of the two witnesses considering you are a member of the very Church that the false Prophet belongs to and who is soon to receive the plagues as will you if you do not renounce her.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:8

Revelation 17:5

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Fail. Now take your medicine and repent.
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I did not read the whole thread...but the two witnesses will be male and female... :)

If this was already discussed I'm sorry...just putting it out there...and please I don't do the bible talk...this comes from no book...

hf
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You are welcome to your opinion but that is not biblical.
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lmao I know...like I said this is from no book...

it came in a vision... They are the two who sit at the right and left hand of the creator...

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Have you bowed down to Mary today 'Chip'?

How is the Whore of Babylon today? lol I think it's absurd you claiming to be one of the two witnesses considering you are a member of the very Church that the false Prophet belongs to and who is soon to receive the plagues as will you if you do not renounce her.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:8

Revelation 17:5

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Fail. Now take your medicine and repent.
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Oh your one of those repent dudes...oh no...please don't tell me to repent too chuckle


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Hi Marek, you are welcome. I was emailed this from the author of jesuswordsonly in regards Luke. It should clear up some things. I was wary myself of Luke since he was Sauls right hand man but not so much now,

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

I believe all the gospels written by the true Apostles are trust-worthy. I am wary of Mark since he was not one of the 12. Yes that site is an excellent source of knowledge and wisdom. You will learn a lot from it, the stuff Mystery Babylon/Satan don't want you to know.
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Concernig Mark, remember that this is catholic tradition name. In Mark gospel there is no mention of author name.
I red somewhere that Mark gospel is cited in very high porcentage by Luc and Mattew and not reverse. If sombody ever write longer text it is very temptative to do it like this. Nowadays it is easier becouse it is copy paste solution. This is trong point for Mark.
I personally very appreciate Mark becouse of words, Jesus said in it when pharisies aqused him for doing miracles in name of satan. He said that this kind of house of work will not pertain forever. This was very important for me when i had problems with bible in general. I did not think then that some can be false teaching and I really wanted to know if there is how to find that maybe God described in bible is completly wrong or maybe He is really satan. I had serious pain then very much and wanted really answer. Jesus w words were not direct answer but I fealed in heart that this is the only possible honest answer there.
I know that maybe I go astray in my speculation.
In fact I agree in some points with PerJeshua. It is quite possible that Lamb from Apocalypse is not Jesus, as Jesus describes him as shepard. That would be difficult if Jesus is both shepard and Lamb. Even at end of John we read request for Peter to feed Joshua sheeps.
So maybe Lamb is some kind of person who will be in future and is important.
This can be really astray from me becouse, I had personal feeling concernig Lamb when I really wanted to understand ultimate book which only Lamb was able to understand. So i have personal feeling concarning Lamb and it can be completely misleading.
Person from futrere who is Lamb can be also important for me now when I have another understanding why Good will win. But that is complete astray. Simply I read somewhere (Google find) why there is something than nothing.
The answer was that "existence on notexistens is impossible". Strange but i like it. That point me that maybe there is no start of time but time envelopes from at least to places in timespace. Like chicken who gives birth to mother of its own mother. That maybe not time travel, but some kind of enveloping into to directions which have to connect.

Sorry for this long posts, but I like talking to you Irealnd.

Marek.
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Hi Marek, you are welcome. I was emailed this from the author of jesuswordsonly in regards Luke. It should clear up some things. I was wary myself of Luke since he was Sauls right hand man but not so much now,

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

I believe all the gospels written by the true Apostles are trust-worthy. I am wary of Mark since he was not one of the 12. Yes that site is an excellent source of knowledge and wisdom. You will learn a lot from it, the stuff Mystery Babylon/Satan don't want you to know.
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Concernig Mark, remember that this is catholic tradition name. In Mark gospel there is no mention of author name.
I red somewhere that Mark gospel is cited in very high porcentage by Luc and Mattew and not reverse. If sombody ever write longer text it is very temptative to do it like this. Nowadays it is easier becouse it is copy paste solution. This is trong point for Mark.
I personally very appreciate Mark becouse of words, Jesus said in it when pharisies aqused him for doing miracles in name of satan. He said that this kind of house of work will not pertain forever. This was very important for me when i had problems with bible in general. I did not think then that some can be false teaching and I really wanted to know if there is how to find that maybe God described in bible is completly wrong or maybe He is really satan. I had serious pain then very much and wanted really answer. Jesus w words were not direct answer but I fealed in heart that this is the only possible honest answer there.
I know that maybe I go astray in my speculation.
In fact I agree in some points with PerJeshua. It is quite possible that Lamb from Apocalypse is not Jesus, as Jesus describes him as shepard. That would be difficult if Jesus is both shepard and Lamb. Even at end of John we read request for Peter to feed Joshua sheeps.
So maybe Lamb is some kind of person who will be in future and is important.
This can be really astray from me becouse, I had personal feeling concernig Lamb when I really wanted to understand ultimate book which only Lamb was able to understand. So i have personal feeling concarning Lamb and it can be completely misleading.
Person from futrere who is Lamb can be also important for me now when I have another understanding why Good will win. But that is complete astray. Simply I read somewhere (Google find) why there is something than nothing.
The answer was that "existence on notexistens is impossible". Strange but i like it. That point me that maybe there is no start of time but time envelopes from at least to places in timespace. Like chicken who gives birth to mother of its own mother. That maybe not time travel, but some kind of enveloping into to directions which have to connect.

Sorry for this long posts, but I like talking to you Irealnd.

Marek.
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Good point. The testimony in regards the Father is true friend and he is certainly not Satan. Sorry to hear of the pain you suffered. And Jesus/Yeshua is both lamb and lion. He is also described as the good shepherd. And in regard time, God is eternal so he always existed and time is a construct of his and he is outside of it. No need to apologize Brother, I enjoy talking with you too. God bless you. All the answers you seek can be found in the word of God. That is the best place to learn of these matters. hf
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I did not read the whole thread...but the two witnesses will be male and female... :)

If this was already discussed I'm sorry...just putting it out there...and please I don't do the bible talk...this comes from no book...

hf
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You are welcome to your opinion but that is not biblical.
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lmao I know...like I said this is from no book...

it came in a vision... They are the two who sit at the right and left hand of the creator...

hf
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Ok. :)
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Have you bowed down to Mary today 'Chip'?

How is the Whore of Babylon today? lol I think it's absurd you claiming to be one of the two witnesses considering you are a member of the very Church that the false Prophet belongs to and who is soon to receive the plagues as will you if you do not renounce her.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:8

Revelation 17:5

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Fail. Now take your medicine and repent.
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Oh your one of those repent dudes...oh no...please don't tell me to repent too chuckle


hf
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Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. ;)
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Good point. The testimony in regards the Father is true friend and he is certainly not Satan. Sorry to hear of the pain you suffered. And Jesus/Yeshua is both lamb and lion. He is also described as the good shepherd. And in regard time, God is eternal so he always existed and time is a construct of his and he is outside of it. No need to apologize Brother, I enjoy talking with you too. God bless you. All the answers you seek can be found in the word of God. That is the best place to learn of these matters. hf
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Now I feel that MEssage is from God, but you can't force this on different. Then we can imagine that Satan sends Jesus to mislead people to believe Jesus. When we skip Saul it is not so much important, becouse Saul teaches "believe me or go to hell". But from perspective of pharicies who were attacked by Jesus it could resonalbe to say "satan send you to destroy us" . And Jesus answer is very honest.
Concerning Lamb I will not agree. But maybe this is not so much important. Just try to have in mind that this can be option if you can.
Maybe we can agree someday this way or another.
Time can be soon. I sometimes think that WWII was already fit for many bad things in Apocalypse and Japan earthquqke is 6 trumpet as said.
It is also interesting to start counting kings of beast from Vatican establishment of Mussolini times. Then seventh didnt stay for full time and now is eight.
Peace with you.

Marek.
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Yet concerning WWII. Everybody look for mark of beast, but it COULD BE that this is for Jews only. And then we can see that in Poland Germans forced Jews had to have mark special mark which was like current flag of Israel in getto.
And that who did it (not tried to escape) died in concentrations camps, as it was said.
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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Said the blind man. I don't care what you think of me. You know nothing. How's Mystery Babylon these days? Silly goat.
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What is that supposed to mean?
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You have no idea who I am or what I think or what I have posted. So why do you call me blind, know-nothing, a goat and refer to Mystery Babylon to me? Does your pride compel you to attack? Is that all this is? Is that what you are?
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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Said the blind man. I don't care what you think of me. You know nothing. How's Mystery Babylon these days? Silly goat.
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Ahh, something we can agree on Ireland.
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Your stupidity will not even be humored.
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You are not a Man of God. Just like PJ, you are a man of Self.
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Said the blind man. I don't care what you think of me. You know nothing. How's Mystery Babylon these days? Silly goat.
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Ahh, something we can agree on Ireland.
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Then tell me. Please.
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I'll speak on that later. I'll say the Lord has told/shown me that there is a less hard bitten side to our friend from the Emerald Isle
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If I be a Man of God, may all the plagues I have asked for find their targets. Amen.
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I'm still here. Must be the time difference. :-p
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First part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,
I will now start my writings to you on the contents of Rev 12 beginning with a reference to what is written in Rev 5: 1-4:

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
 Quoting: The Bible


The book written within and on the backside is the Bible with its prophecies. The prophesies are visible to man as letter, which is what "on the backside" means. In addition to being written on the backside the prophecies are also "written within", which means that they have a spiritual meaning hidden to man.

The first verse of the book of Revelation reads "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to SHOW unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;" and this is why John wept when he heard that no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Since it was first said that the revelation of Jesus Christ was given to show God's people hidden things John knew when he afterwards heard that no man was found worthy to open and read the book that this unworthiness meant apostacy. That was the reason why he wept.

It is therefore important for all to realize that whoever steps forward to expound the contents of the book of Revelation must first of all reveal the biblical facts that show that he is in the right and position to expound the secrets of the book of Revelation. All of those on GLP who claim to know the true contents of the book of Revelation, are in fact dishonest, and in my next writing I will show you why this is an irrefutable and sad fact!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Second part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

I will now continue my exposition of the twelfth chapter in book of Revelation. As I said in part 1 concerning the contents of chapter 5 John wept when he heard that nobody, not even in heaven (the church on earth), was found worthy to open the seals of the book. Before that he described in the first three chapters what our Lord had revealed to him, which was that the apostolic churches were spiritually dying. On this basis we therefore know that already in late first century AD the opposite spirit of Jesus Christ, namely that of the Antichrist, was already at full work. In chapter 4 John was given to enter an open door to see what belonged to a still later time in the NT time period. That is why he writes these words (Rev 4:2) "And immediately I was in the spirit", for only in the spirit could he see things that belonged in the future. Chapter 4 describes in its spiritual sense the things that must follow when the time period of the falling away is coming to an end, and in chapter 5 we are being told in what manner God reveals the Wicked (2 Thes 2:8) when He again brings the first-born into the world (Heb 1:6) to slay the Antichrist with the breath of His mouth, as said in 2 Thes 2:8. The contents of chapter 6 reveal what and who the Antichrist is, and tells us at the end that a great destruction kills the Wicked one in historical sense. Chapter 7 describes the coming of the man child with the seal of the living God to mark God's servants before the great destruction comes, which is called the great tribulation. The number of those who will be sealed is 144000, and their sealing takes place in the beginning of the time period of the sixth seal, during which God's witnesses work in the Gentile world. The sealed ones are called "the firstfruits" in comparison with those who are called "a great multitude" in Rev 7:9 and will be such who come to faith after the great destruction. In Rev 10:1-6 Scripture takes us back to the time when the man child comes with a little open book, thus being Jesus Christ's spiritual coming through His servant. Only when He comes can the 7 seals of the book be opened and the Antichrist be revealed. This belongs in the Gentile world. Afterwards, when the seventh seal is opened, about which we read in chapter 8:1, the time period of the Jews begins. Then comes a parallell description to the seals, namely the 7 trumpets. We find from Rev 8:2 to the end of that chapter the first four of the 7 trumpets, the rest following in Rev 9:1-14, with Rev 9:15 telling about the same great destruction as did the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17. We thus see that the 7 seals and the 7 trumpets describe the same things, only with different symbols to make it easier for us to understand them. When the seventh angel sounds the trumpet then comes the time period of the Jews, as shown in Rev 10:7. Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

This is what these chapters contain, and I will continue my exposition until we arrive at chapter 12, which is an overview of the whole NT time. We will take a close look at its contents to see that what I say is the truth.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Third part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

In part 2 we reached to the contents of chapter 10 in the book of Revelation, and we touched upon the mighty angel who came down from heaven and who was clothed with a cloud. Who is this angel and how can we know the right answer?

When we learn that he has a rainbow upon his head and, in addition, that his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, we are helped on the way, for part of the description we also find in Rev 1:12-17. Let us therefore read the text:

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
 Quoting: The Bible


What do we learn if not that the mighty angel is in a covenant relation with God Almighty, for that is why he has a rainbow upon his head, a token that reminds us of what is said in Gen 9:8-15:

And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
 Quoting: The Bible


The face of the angel was as it were the sun, so we therefore know that his face and head symbolize Jesus Christ, who is the light of the sun according to Rev 21:23, and his feet that were as pillars of fire mean that God's spirit was the power in which he walked. Since he also had a little open book in his hand, as said in Rev 10:2, we know that this angel is the messenger of God through whom our Lord returns as a thief, which is what the cloud symbolizes. That the book is open means that the seals of the book mentioned in Rev 5:1 are opened and the secrets of it revealed to this messenger, for he is the man child in Rev 12:5 through whom the Lord comes back after the falling away with a new covenant for mankind either to accept or to reject.

That he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, as seen in Rev 10:2, means that his greater judgment is proclaimed against false religion and the lesser against wordliness, but both will be thrown into the furnace of God's judgment.

What else these things mean I will tell you in my next post, in part 4.

May God help you and bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Fourth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,


I will now write you more on the contents of chapter 10 and chapter 11 in the book of Revelation. In order that you may see what time period these things cover I will first refer you to an important structural fact given in the book of Revelation, as we can see when we read Rev 9:12-13 and Rev 11:14

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 9:12-13)

The second woe is past; and , behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 Quoting: The Bible
(Rev 11:14-15)

The structure shown is that the first woe consists of 5 trumpets, the second woe of the sixth trumpet, and the third woe of the seventh trumpet.

When the sixth seal is opened (Rev 6:12) and the sixth trumpet sounded (Rev 9:14), which are two different descriptions of the same time period, there is added additional information both on the contents of the sixth seal and on the contents of the sixth trumpet, as we can see when we read Rev 10 and Rev 11. These two chapters therefore describe what happens in the time period of the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, things that take place before the seventh seal is opened and the seventh trumpet sounded. What I say here does not contradict what we read about the seventh angel (trumpet) in Rev 10:7.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
 Quoting: The Bible


This verse does not say that the seventh trumpet was sounded at this stage in biblical history but that it will be sounded in the future.

That the mighty angel in Rev 10:1 swore, as we see in Rev 10:6, that there should be time no longer means that the end time of the beast was come.

And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
 Quoting: The Bible


What is said in Rev 10:8-11 applies to one of the two witnesses.

I write these things in the hope that you see the structure of the book of Revelation, which will help you a lot when we start looking at the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation. That we will do next time. The twelfth chapter goes back to the start of NT time and leads us from that time forward even until the end of the NT time.

Next time I will enlarge upon the contents of Rev 12 and show you from elsewhere in the Bible why what I say is true.

Until then, may God bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Fifth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us now look into the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation and compare what we find with equivalent textes elsewhere in the Bible. We will consider the whole chapter and see where those things belong that we have not yet looked at in depth in chapter 10 and 11, or not even mentioned.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
 Quoting: The Bible


The heaven where there appeared a great wonder is what Scripture calls "Mount Sion" in Heb 12:22-24:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
 Quoting: The Bible


We thus understand that the heaven meant in Rev 12:1 is the foundation of God's apostolic church on earth, which is the Holy Scripture. On this foundation appeared a great wonder, and that wonder was the apostolic church, which Scripture calls a woman and the bride of Jesus Christ. This church was indeed a great wonder through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ. That the woman was clothed with the sun means that her spiritual life was God Himself, as we can see when we read Psalm 84:11:

For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
 Quoting: The Bible


The moon which was under her feet is the moon which we can read about in Isa 60:20, that it shall not withdraw itself, but continue to give light. This moon is God's holy law, as is said in Prov 6:23:

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
 Quoting: The Bible


Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
 Quoting: The Bible
(Isa 60:20)

The scriptures that I have quoted prove that woman to be the apostolic church, her sun God, and her moon God's law. The moon was under her foot because she was not under the judgment of the law but rather walked on and according to the law, for the law is the city's street of pure gold, as said in Rev 21:21.

The crown of twelve stars on her head is the true gospel that the twelve apostles preached, and that gospel was founded on the woman's head who is Jesus Christ. That the woman being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered means that the apostolic church had to suffer a lot for her faith in Jesus Christ and for preaching the true gospel.

This is what Rev 12:1-2 reveals to us, and in my next post we shall look at the following sign that was seen in heaven, which was not that wonderful.

May God bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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sixth part


Dear ExploringTheTruth,

We are now going to look into Rev 12:3-4 which mentions another sign following, that appeared in heaven. Let us first read the biblical text:

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
 Quoting: The Bible


As I said in the second part of my exposition the first three chapters of the book of Revelation and the letters sent to the seven churches reveals that the apostolic churches were already being seriously affected by false teahcers at the end of the first century AD.

The final effect of this development was that the book of Revelation, which was given by God "to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass" (Rev 1:1), could no longer be understood by the church, for which it was meant.

What was going on is clearly said by John in 1 John 2:18:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 Quoting: The Bible


What John writes was also foretold by Jesus in John 9:4:

I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
 Quoting: The Bible


We therefore ought to understand that the so-called first woe (Rev 9:12), which is described through 5 seals and 5 trumpets, is called a woe because the disastrous falling away of the apostolic church happened in this time period.

From this perspective we can now take a look at what the first seal (Rev 6:1-2) and the first trumpet (Rev 8:7) entail, since they belong to the first woe.


Rev 6:1-2:
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The first seal that the Lamb, who is Jesus Christ, opens reveals the start of the fortold falling away. The noise John heard, as it were the noise of thunder, is the proclamation of truth and the revelation of the contents of this first seal. That noise comes from the foundation of truth, and the one of the four beasts (or living creatures) who said "Come and see!" is one of the two witnesses who are the only ones on earth who can expound these things for people of sincerity to see and believe.

The white horse signifies truth, as ought to be clear from what is written in Rev 19:11:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
 Quoting: The Bible


Since the one sitting on the white horse of the first seal had only one crown he was not Jesus Christ as described in Rev 19:11, but he had, nevertheless, something to do with the true apostolic church, being a teacher who went astray from the truth apostolic faith and doctrine. In doing so he set about the fulfillment of Rev 13:2:

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
 Quoting: The Bible


This scripture tells us that the dragon, Satan, placed his power and authority into this process in order to set up his seat where it should not be. As we go on looking into these things we will go back and look more closely at how that power and authority was given, for it is all clearly fortold in Scripture.

The bow of the rider is of the kind that is described in Psalm 37:14:

The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
 Quoting: The Bible


The rider with only one crown was therefore one who misused his bow in fighting truth instead of falsehood, and he did so with the authority given to him by the dragon. With that authority he could go forth as he did, for there were also ten horns who supported the same cause. Those horns we will learn to know later on in this exposition, as we go on through the entire book of Revelation.

For now, I wish you all the best, for with deep sorrow in my heart I write these things, and what I write is totally true, for God Almighty has testified it all and keeps testifying it in Scripture.

In my next post we will look into the secrets of more seals and trumpets.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Seventh part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Let us now take a look into what the next seal contains, which is the second one in Rev 6:3-4, and which describes what also the second trumpet contains in Rev 8:8-9, only with other symbols:

And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
 Quoting: The Bible


Remember that what I expound here are particularities that give us more detail on how the falling away could take place and gain momentum as the five first seales were opened, and how the dragon could appear in heaven according to Rev 12:3.

The second beast (or living creature) who said "Come and see!" is one of the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 who is prophetically called Zerubbabel. When the true two witnesses come they will be able to reveal the deception of the Antichrist, who is the son of perdition. This is part of what "Come and see" means! Let us read 2 Thes 2:8:

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
 Quoting: The Bible


Zerubbabel means "The one sown of Babel", so the name therefore means, when used of one of the two witnesses in the NT time, that he is of Gentile extraction and not a Jew of birth. This is confirmed also by the fact that both he and the other witness do their work in the time period of the Gentiles, which is that of the sixth trumpet and seal, and which is 1260 years long as we can see from Rev 12:6.

When the Lord returns spiritually through the man child in the midst of the years (Hab 3:2), i.e. in the midst of NT time, to judge the Antichrist He has, according to Hab 3:4, two rays or horns in His hand. These horns are in spiritual meaning the Law and the Gospel. Since the Lord returns in spiritual meaning through a true messenger, this messenger is of course a human being. In the prophecy he is said to be a bastard from Ashdod, as we can see when we read Zech 9:6-7:

And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.
 Quoting: The Bible


So, therefore, what I say is this, that the Law and Gospel are the spiritual rays and horns of our Lord, whereas the foretold two witnesses are the historical horns of the Lord in His appearance through the man child who is of Gentile extraction, which Ashdod means. They are, in other words, such who received the true doctrine from the man child who the Lord raised up from the north in spite of his being a so-called "bastard from Ashdod", i.e. from the Gentile world.

Let us read now and look into what the second seal reveals to us:

Well, then, the second horse, the red one, that went out to take peace from the earth describes what started to happen in the time of Arius. This horse, which also received power from the dragon to make war with the saints, symbolizes the devisive work of false teachers.

We will get back to this happening later in my exposition, when the threads of prophecy are collected to give a clearer picture, but for now, let us contemplate these things that I have written about to you.

May God bless you and all sincere people who seek the Lord!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Eight part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

When I wrote to you last time, I made digression in giving you a short summary on the man child (Rev 12:5) and the two witnesses (Rev 11:3), even in spite of writing on the contents of the second seal (Rev 6:3).

The reason is that the secrets of the seven seals and trumpets were, according to Rev 5:3, such that no man was able to unravel. Not until the time period of the sixth seal and sixth trumpet, in which we now live, would it be possible for anyone to understand what the seven seals and trumpets contain, and those who would be the first ones to expound these secrets are the man child and the two witnesses of Rev 11:3.

That is why the two witnesses will be the first two living creatures to say to people: "Come and see!" Later on there will be two more servants of God to say the same, who are two more so-called living creatures of God. Together, the two witnesses and the two other servants of God, who are foretold prophets, will be the four living creatures in Rev 4:6, and they will reveal and destroy the deception and rule of the Antichrist, with the 144.000 saints following them.

In my next post we will therefore take a closer look at the contents of the second seal and compare it with what the two first trumpets of the book of Revelation contain, before we go on in our survey of the book of Revelation.

May God bless you, and everybody who pays heed to what God's true witnesses speak to them!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Ninth part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

The second seal gives us the view of a red horse the rider of which was given power to take peace from the earth. The peace meant is not such as exists when human beings live together in harmony without killing each other. What Scripture is concerned with is the peace that God gives humankind through the gospel of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, which He had planted in the hearts of men and women in the true apostolic church. The difference of the two kinds of peace, that of the world and that of God, is clearly seen in the following words uttered by Jesus (John 14:27):

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
 Quoting: The Bible


The peace that the rider on the red horse attacked and took from the earth had already been attacked by the first rider, who came on his white horse. Since the first horse was white it shows us that its rider came from the true church of God but did not remain in it. How serious that first attack was we can see from what the first trumpet reveals, although with other symbols than those used in the first seal. Let us therefore read Rev 8:7:

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
 Quoting: The Bible


What this scripture reveals to us is what Paul the apostle had foretold in Acts 20:30:

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Yes, this was what started to take place. I have searched through the early church history in the hope to find those men who Paul foretold would speak perverse things, and I have found some of them, two of them being well-known men in church history. Irenaeus, who was the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of John the apostle, is the first one I have found to speak perverse things. The next person was called Hippolytus. He has himself proved that he was not following the apostolic truth. That I can say from what he writes on things found in the book of Revelation. Irenaeus had a false baptism doctrine. What a shame, having been the disciple of that true man of God, Polycarp.
When the first angel sounded, hail and fire mingled with blood were cast upon the earth. What does it mean? Let me tell you it, for God Almighty has given me the wisdom to expound these secrets to God's people in order that they hide it in their hearts and keep themselves close to their creator. Hail means frozen water, and what else is ice then other than the letter as described in 2 Cor 3:6?



That fire was mingled with hail means that false teachers through their superficial understanding of Scripture made the letter in their own twisted way seem to be fire, i.e. the truth of the Holy Ghost. While doing so they said to people whom they deceived that the blood of Jesus Christ would save them if they would only believe in their mixture of hail and fire. All of it was nevertheless deception, so in this way it took place what is said Rev 8:7:

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Think about it, that already at the sounding of the first angel one third of the apostolic church was destroyed!

So, what shall we say about things taking place at the sound of the second angel in Rev 8:8?

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You remember that the rider on the red horse took away peace from the earth, and this is what the sounding of the second angel also reveals. The burning mountain symbolizes what happened when the serious schism came about through the teachings of Arius. The result was that another third part of the true church fell away from the apostolic truth, becoming part of the sea of deception. The blood symbolizes spiritual death, so all these things are great tragedies in the history of NT church.

Well, I will come back with more information as given to me by God Almighty in my next exposition. Truth will conquer falsehood and annihilate it!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Tenth part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

We are looking at the grim happenings taking place during the early NT time which John the apostle mentions as "the last time" in 1 John 2:18:

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The last time meant was that of the true apostolic church, so what John the apostle warned about was what also Rev 6:2 foretold:

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The crown given to the rider of the white horse was the power mentioned in Rev 13:2:

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Yes, through unfaithful teachers Satan managed to sow his seeds of contention in the different churches of early Christianity. It is a sad fact that during the second and third centuries the number of false preachers and teachers increased so much that the voices of God's true servants were no more the foremost to be heard by people.

Let us now look at what the third seal contains, which says this, as found in Rev 6:5-6:

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And let us compare it with the contents of the third trumpet in Rev 8:10-11:

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Dear people, listen carefully to what I now tell you, for I am indeed the true witness of God speaking to you. I know Scripture better than anyone else on this earth, for God chose me to come forth as one of the four living creatures who say: Come and see! We say so only to the the contents of the first four angels and seals, since the core of the falling away is found in the contents of these four seals and trumpets. This can only be said by a spirit that knows what to be seen, and what to look for. We say so since we know exactly what you should pay attention to instead of listening to the false teachers of this world.

Therefore, be convinced of it, that when the third seal was opened the spirit of the Antichrist managed to destroy the last one third of truth. When it happened it was said:

"A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."

What does these words mean? Well, dear people, a penny symbolizes the payment a good worker receives after having done a good day's work in the garden of God. Read Mat 20:10 to see it. Wheat is more costly than barley, for it symbolizes God's righteous people. Therefore, "three measures of barley for a penny" are what makes up one measure of wheat. But, alas, it is also said: "hurt not the oil and the wine," which means that those three measures of barley were hurt anyway. How true Scripture is in telling us in this way that there was a total falling away, with three measures of barley being destroyed.

To show you this secret Scripture gives us the contents of Rev 8:10-11:

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The great star that fell from heaven was a very important Christian person in early Christianity, being such as had great authority. He was the one who destroyed the third and last measure of barley. His teachings, though being false, made a great impact on people living in his time, one of whom was called Augustine. And since he was Wormwood the consequences of his falling away was disastrous to the generations to come after him. Let me tell you his name, it was Ambrosius. He paved the way for the little horn that was foretold to come.

We will speak more about that secret in the next post.

May God bless you, for we keep ourselves to Scripture!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Eleventh part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

Last time we spoke about the contents of the third seal and the third trumpet. What these seal and trumpet reveal is that during their time period the apostolic church and doctrine were totally overcome by false teachers and preachers. In other words, during the time period of the third seal and the third trumpet, which are parallell prophetic discriptions, the great red dragon succeeded in its war that it was given to make with the saints according to Rev 13:7:

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The war meant was the spiritual war between truth and falsehood. The three measures of barley that we find in the contents of the third seal symbolize God's true apostolic church and doctrine. With each of the first three seals and trumpets one third of the sound apostolic truth was spoiled, so when the last one third was destroyed during the time period of the third seal and trumpet the true church and congregation of God was also completely destroyed, i.e. overcome by the beast.

In other words, at that time the words of Jesus in John 9:4 were fulfulled:

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Since it was a spiritual night no man could work, for truth had departed from the church, and it had become a fallen away church. In spiritual meaning this is what Isa 59:14 foretells:

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"There was no man", Isaiah says in Es 59:16, and those words mean that nobody could anymore tell what God's true and saving gospel was, and expound it to people. His words are echoed in Rev 5:3:

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The heaven meant where no man could open the seals of truth is the fallen away church, for in spite of it having the Scripture it did not understand the Scripture, for "truth had fallen in the street", as Isaiah had foretold. Nevertheless, this changed church kept using the Scripture as though it still were in the right to do so, and even claimed that Scripture was its foundation, in spite of all the twistings by which its teachers and preachers corrupted the truth. In this way did the great red dragon become the sign that was seen in heaven, i.e. where it should not be (Psalm 50:16):

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These words mean "What right is given to you that you should be in heaven?" No, there was no such right given to the wicked by God, so they were in heaven only by the "right" that the dragon had given to them according to Rev 13:2.

In my last post I promised that we will look into the contents of the third trumpet. While we are doing so we will also compare its contents with what the third seal reveals. Let me first quote Rev 8:10-11:

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As I have said earlier the great star that fell from heaven was an important person in the Christian church. Scripture shows that originally he was standing on sound biblical ground, namely on the truth of Holy Scripture. But, alas, there happened something that made him deviate from the sound path of truth. And when it happened he was still believed to be a lamp, for people did no see that he was going astray. He was burning with ardor though deceived by the devil, and therefore he influenced so many people. With his steps of deviation from the true doctrine of God he made people follow himself instead of the Scripture, and he became wormwood in that manner, defiling Scripture with his twistings. The last streams of truth, a third part, were thus polluted.

And now we shall compare these things with what the third seal contains in Rev 6:5-6:

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The black horse symbolizes the spiritual night which Jesus had foretold would come. The pair of balances in the hand of the rider symbolizes the false claim of the pope to having the so-called keys of heaven in his hand. The three measures of barley for a penny compared to the measure of wheat for a penny reveals that the pair of balances were false, for in measuring three measures of barley nobody can rightfully make barley to be equivalent to wheat. That is what we see when we read about the unjust steward in Luke 16:1-13:

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The unjust steward symbolizes the pope while the rich man symbolizes the Lord. That the Lord called the steward and revealed to him that he would have to give an account of his stewardship means that especially through the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 the pope will be informed that he will be judged by the Lord because of his unjust dealings with Scripture.

Before we go on with the story about the unjust steward we will summarize the contents of the first three seals. The pope is the rider of the black horse in the time of the third seal and the third trumpet. It all started with the rider of the white horse in Rev 6:2, i.e. in the time of the first seal. In spite of it being said that he rode on a white horse, which symbolizes truth, he was given a crown, and that reveals him, for all God's people are said to already have a crown because they believe in the true gospel of Jesus Christ. That is what Jesus says in Rev 3:10-11. The crown that was was given to the rider on the white horse must, therefore, be of the power, seat, and authority that the devil gives when people err from the true gospel of God (Rev 13:2). Therefore, during the time of the first seal people started to speak "perverse things" (Acts 20:30), as foretold by Paul the apostle, and because of that the color of the rider's white horse also started to change despite the biblical fact that he went forth conquering, and to conquer. In the time of the second seal the horse's color was changed to red, and during the time of the third seal it had finally become black. With that seal's black horse in mind we can now go on considering the unjust steward.

Jesus tells us what the unjust steward will do when dealing with the rich man's debtors. We therefore knows that 1) He makes a hundred measures of oil into fifty measures of oil, thus making fifty measures equivalent to a hundred measures, and 2) He makes a hundred measures of wheat equivalent to eighty measures of wheat, thus making eighty measures of wheat equivalent to a hundred measures. This is what the three measures of barley mentioned in the third seal also signify, for as what should be a measure of hundred of wheat and oil was instead made into a measure of fifty and eighty, so the worth of God's people, who are called "the wheat" in Luke 3:17, and their true gospel were reduced by false teachers when they both added their own perverse things to Scripture and took away from the Scripture what all people need for their spiritual welfare and life. This is what Rev 22:18-19 warns against:

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Nevertheless, God did not in His love for His true people let those false teachers corrupt the original scriptures, and that is what is meant in Rev 6:6:

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God has preserved Scripture through the spiritual night and has not allowed the pope and his likes to adulterate the oil and the wine, which symbolize Scripture and the fact that it is given by inspiration of God, as said in 2 Tim 3:16:

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Dear you, there are two more seals and trumpets that are, together with the third seal and trumpet, directly concerned with the tragedy of the apostolic church and its falling away, namely the fourth seal and the fifth, as well as the fourth trumpet and the fifth trumpet. With the third seal and trumpet came the spiritual night, with no man being able to speak the truth, so when we look into the contents of the third, fourth and fifth seals and trumpets we will have a more detailed description of that great red dragon which forced its way into heaven. As we keep going on with our survey we will see a clear picture of the secrets found in the book of Revelation.

In my next post we will therefore look into the secrets of the fourth and the fifth both seal and trumpet. The red dragon and the beast will as a consequence be showed clearly to you with solid evidence from Scripture and human history.

Until then, may God bless you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

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Twelfth part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

It may seem strange that I who promised to expound the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation go on speaking about the seals and the trumpets instead of constraining myself to that chapter only.

The reason is that the twelfth chapter of the book of Revelation describes the NT history of God's people from the beginning to the end. It is like a spiritual map, showing the true apostolic church, with details of its main events found elsewhere in the book of Revelation. Since we were reading in Rev 12:3 about the great red dragon which had seven heads and ten horns, we needed more detailed information on it found at other places in the book of Revelation. Much of that information is given to us in the contents of the first five seals and trumpets, as will be clear when we have looked into all of them, so that is why I make a detour via these seals and trumpets before going on with my exposition of the twelwth chapter of the book of Revelation.

Therefore, let us now look into both the fourth seal and the fourth trumpet. Their contents are based on what was fulfilled in the time of the third seal and the third trumpet, when the last third of the apostolic church was overcome by falsehood and the spiritual night came. During the time of these events the pope rose to power and became the first head of the beast of Rev 13:1, for because of him the beast was given a terminus a quo, which is the number 666, as we will see later in my exposition. On this first head of the beast are the ten horns of the beast, a biblical and historical fact that we will return to later. But first, let us read about the fourth seal in Rev 6:7-8:

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The rider on the pale horse is explained to be Death, with Hell following him. Why is he Death if not because he rides in the time of the night during which nobody should be able to work, as Jesus said? In Zech 1:8 we read about the angel of the Lord that he stood among the myrtle-trees, even though it is said that it was seen in the night (Zech 1:8). The Lord's angel stood but the rider of the pale horse kept moving. What Zech 1 reveals I will expound later at its due place in my exposition. The fourth part that the pale horse rider was given power over is the Lutheran faith and church(es), for the Lutheran churches make up about one fourth of the fallen away Christendom. The rider is therefore Martin Luther, and that will be proven in more detail as we go on in our survey. The sword that killed was the letter of Scripture, for when it is not truthfully expounded and understood it kills souls. The hunger meant is that when falsehood and twistings of Scripture is what feed people they will die of spiritual starvation. The death meant is spiritual death, for whoever is deceived is indeed spiritually dead. The beasts on earth are every single false teacher and teacher of Lutheranism, i.e. all of them, for they ride in the night and are not seen by people because of the spiritual darkness.

And now, let us compare these things with what the fourth trumpet reveals in Rev 8:12-13:

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Dear you who care to know the truth, listen, for what I say you will find to be true if you keep considering all things in truthfulness. The fourth angel who sounded the trumpet is Martin Luther. What he sounded was heard in the dark night and foretold in 4 Esdras 5:4:

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"After the third trumpet" means that it would happen in the time of the fourth trumpet. When Martin Luther started his work, revealing much of the falsehood of the pope and his church, it were as though the spiritual sun again was shining, even in the night! But, alas, since the moon, which symbolizes the holy law of God, did not shine more than thrice a day, we know that what seemed bright in those days was still not the full truth. Martin Luther started out on the right path when he saw and understood some of the enormities of the the papal church and even dared to criticize them, but, nevertheless, on his way towards truth he went astray and became therefore, sadly enough, a head of the beast.

Martin Luther's teachings lacked one third of the gospel and the law and were therefore very similar to the three measures of barley at one penny, as though they were for that reason equal to wheat. The angel heard, the one flying through
the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe etc., was in one sense the person called Miguel Serveto who condemned both Catholics and Protestants alike.

I hope this was useful reading for you, so may God bless you on your way,

Greetings from
PehJeshuah


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Thirteenth part

Dear ExploringTheTruth,

In this part of my exposition of the book of Revelation we will look into the contents of the fifth seal and the fifth trumpet that describe the last time period of the beast found in Rev 12:3.

Before doing so, I repeat that according to Scripture the pope became the first head of the beast during the time period of the third seal and the third trumpet, wheras Martin Luther became another head of the beast during the time period of the fourth seal and the fourth trumpet, both being major heads of the beast.

When we read Ezekiel 16:1-4 we find one of the Bible's descriptions of these two major heads:

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In this biblical text, when we look into its spiritual meaning, Jerusalem symbolizes Lutheranism. We hear it being said "Son of man, etc.", which means that this secret is revealed to the man child of Rev 12:5 in the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ through him. The man child, therefore, is the messenger of God to whom, as foretold in Rev 2:17, it is given to open the seals of the book that according to Rev 5:1 was written within and on the backside. In doing so he learns that this Jerusalem is from the Gentile world, from Canaan, having an Amorite father and a Hittite mother. That Jerusalem is of the land of Canaan means that both Luther and Lutheranism are of the land of the Antichrist, the fallen away Christianity. Luther's father is the pope, who is an Amorite, and Luther's mother is a Hittite, which is the false doctrine of the Catholic church. What happened when Luther and Lutheranism were is explained in this way:

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That the naval was not cut means that the bond between Luther and the false doctrine of the Catholic church remained in spite of its having seemingly been cut. That he was not washed in water means that the water of life hidden in Holy Scripture (Eph 5:26) was not found by him to be cleansed with.

That he was not salted either, means, as we learn from Mark 9:47, that God's law could not kill his Old Man, which is demanded by God and fulfilled by the law as seen in Rom 7:9:

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Thank you PJ for your time, this is very much appreciated.

One Love,
D.
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