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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

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I'll see the 2 witnesses in Jerusalem, that is when I will know and believe.
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The place you will see them at is (spiritually) called Jerusalem.. (not) the actual bible Jerusalem where there is (No) great city, (No) world trade (not) surrounded by many waters and is not made up of every race on Earth.. It will be in the most powerful richest city that is currently on the Earth that has all these requirements. (Spiritually called Jerusalem) (Spiritually called where the Lord of them was crucified)In Heaven they all spiritually call the (Great city) Jerusalem
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you have no testimony
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
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You have no true Testimony, only the wishful delusions of grandeur of a cripple in a nursing home. You are only to be laughed at and pitied.
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Is there even one amongst you who even wants true testimony rather than just something to spit at? Pigs don't deserve pearls!
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you have no testimony
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
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You have no true Testimony, only the wishful delusions of grandeur of a cripple in a nursing home. You are only to be laughed at and pitied.
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Is there even one amongst you who even wants true testimony rather than just something to spit at? Pigs don't deserve pearls!
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I don't want nothing from you. Only your presence to leave this site.
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... a modest witness!
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Much better than before
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you have no testimony
-RML
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I am not sure why you spammed my response all over your numerous threads as if I responded to them all. I have only responded to you on this thread.

It is completely understandable to me that you would call me "crazy". People who are not anchored in Scripture have historically looked at people who are and labeled them like you have. I assure you I am not crazy. I also understand that you are probably less than satisfied with the fact that people have not welcomed you after you made your claim that you are one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3 (without any Scriptural knowledge or understanding.)

I do hope you will wake up and see the truth. People who claim this are all over the net. We all must sincerely test people thoroughly who make these claims.

Good luck to you, Gregory.

-RML
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you have no testimony
-RML
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I am not sure why you spammed my response all over your numerous threads as if I responded to them all. I have only responded to you on this thread.

It is completely understandable to me that you would call me "crazy". People who are not anchored in Scripture have historically looked at people who are and labeled them like you have. I assure you I am not crazy. I also understand that you are probably less than satisfied with the fact that people have not welcomed you after you made your claim that you are one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3 (without any Scriptural knowledge or understanding.)

I do hope you will wake up and see the truth. People who claim this are all over the net. We all must sincerely test people thoroughly who make these claims.

Good luck to you, Gregory.

-RML
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This is not testing. This is challenging. Blind rejection. Useless waste of time speculation. Waste of your time and mine. Unprovoked, antagonistic aggression. Insanity is an understatement! Amongst the aggressors currently plaguing practically every square inch of this presently God forsaken planet I never expected to be welcomed. I expect to be killed! It is not until we are ultimately resurrected in the view of the masses of people who are in this world and of it that there will finally be a massive awakening.
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Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
 Quoting: I think 67528326


I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
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I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
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Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
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Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.



An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
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I think
I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
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Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
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I think
What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
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God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
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I think
There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
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Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
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What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
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The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
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I think
If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
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I think
Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


I think
Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


I think
There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


I think

People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


I think

Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


I think
This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


I think
Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


I think
What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


I think
Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


I think
So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
I think


Gregory, you have avoided this response. Why?

-RML
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Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
 Quoting: I think 67528326


I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
 Quoting: Give your explanations 722418
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.



An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
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Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
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I think
What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
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Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think

What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
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The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


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Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


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There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


I think

People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


I think

Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


I think
This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


I think
Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


I think
What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


I think
Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


I think
So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
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Gregory, you have avoided this response. Why?

-RML


you have no testimony
-RML
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
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You have no true Testimony, only the wishful delusions of grandeur of a cripple in a nursing home. You are only to be laughed at and pitied.
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Is there even one amongst you who even wants true testimony rather than just something to spit at? Pigs don't deserve pearls!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa

I am not sure why you spammed my response all over your numerous threads as if I responded to them all. I have only responded to you on this thread.

It is completely understandable to me that you would call me "crazy". People who are not anchored in Scripture have historically looked at people who are and labeled them like you have. I assure you I am not crazy. I also understand that you are probably less than satisfied with the fact that people have not welcomed you after you made your claim that you are one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3 (without any Scriptural knowledge or understanding.)

I do hope you will wake up and see the truth. People who claim this are all over the net. We all must sincerely test people thoroughly who make these claims.

Good luck to you, Gregory.

-RML
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9624150

This is not testing. This is challenging. Blind rejection. Useless waste of time speculation. Waste of your time and mine. Unprovoked, antagonistic aggression. Insanity is an understatement! Amongst the aggressors currently plaguing practically every square inch of this presently God forsaken planet I never expected to be welcomed. I expect to be killed! It is not until we are ultimately resurrected in the view of the masses of people who are in this world and of it that there will finally be a massive awakening.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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murk and dave and whoever. i have made another mistake, i am not the dajjal. i misunderstood their roles and have been corrected. the dajjal are bad and are here to trick the masses and will do a great job.

just wanted to clear that up. i keep making myself look foolish. as i said from day one when i am wrong and i know it i will correct myself, which i doing now. i am one of two as far as i know that has not changed yet. if it does i will come and say that also. as much as i screw up it could very well change.

and in closing anything that norway (pj) says or ireland just disregard. they have got hate almost down to an art form...
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Shit, chip - how does something like that "change"?

Sorry, but it appears to be a scenario that neither you or the multitude of Last Two Endtime Witnesses including the new one who is a Hairy Krishna will ever be able to fathom.

The rest of us know that ALL of you have the same delusion and even if there was some truth involved in Rev. 11, only two of you could be correct. Why people of this age still believe in such drivel is beyond my scope of thinking.

Sadly, the real truth is that all of you will eventually die off without fulfilling your imaginary role in the history of Earth but, at death, the lights go out, and you will never realize the folly you left behind.

So, go for it. Be the Avenger of The Big Holy God in your imagined Times of The End.

If it takes something like that to get you through the night of Life - then who am I to deflate your balloon?

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you have no testimony
-RML
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
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You have no true Testimony, only the wishful delusions of grandeur of a cripple in a nursing home. You are only to be laughed at and pitied.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67554112


Is there even one amongst you who even wants true testimony rather than just something to spit at? Pigs don't deserve pearls!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


In love and respect sir how could anything precious be cast in a forum or on a platform such as this without some falling to the ground to be trampled? Its going to happen but some wisdom must be revealed and in that will always remain protected. You ask if there are any here who wants true testimony. That is what I asked for before and so I will turn again and I ask you if you have truth to what lengths are you willing to go to to see that His children get it? If you stand as a witness then you are in a very unique circumstance to actually be an advocate to reveal with a loud voice. Something almost no other "man" can claim. I do not believe you came here expecting open arms in fact I believe the exact opposite but now that it has turned as you expected what now can be done? What is the human soul worth? What value of another over you? Christ was the embodiment of sacrifice. A way must be found. A way will be found and if you claim the title that is between you and the Lord. While I do not/could not/ and would not say take the podium now and accept. It is not time very simply. There must be some scriptural insight you can share. Will you?
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that the reason why you don't even try to clear yourself out of the predicament you are in as a person now being seen to contract Holy Scripture is the fact that you know it is Scripture itself that has nailed you down as false!


Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
 Quoting: I think 67528326


I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
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I think
Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.



An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
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I think
I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
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God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
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There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
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Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think

What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
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The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
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I think
If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


I think
Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


I think
There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


I think

People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


I think

Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


I think
This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


I think
Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


I think
What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


I think
Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


I think
So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
I think


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that the reason why you don't even try to clear yourself out of the predicament you are in as a person now being seen to contradict Holy Scripture is the fact that you know it is Scripture itself that has nailed you down as false!


Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
 Quoting: I think 67528326


I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
 Quoting: Give your explanations 722418
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.



An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think

What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
 Quoting: Give your explanations


The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


I think
Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


I think
There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


I think

People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


I think

Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


I think
This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


I think
Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


I think
What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


I think
Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


I think
So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
I think


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I remind you of your words about me, that I was even friendly with you, and there is a reason. I emulate our Saviour who spoke to the man described in Mat 22:11-12: he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS.

Why should I not emulate Him the best I can, being His true witness.


that the reason why you don't even try to clear yourself out of the predicament you are in as a person now being seen to contradict Holy Scripture is the fact that you know it is Scripture itself that has nailed you down as false!


Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
 Quoting: I think 67528326


I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
 Quoting: Give your explanations 722418
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.

An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think

What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
 Quoting: Give your explanations


The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I think
Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


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Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


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There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


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People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


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Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


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This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


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Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


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What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


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Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


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So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
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being God's true witness who have published his true testimony and answered to questions truly relevant to the everlasting gospel.
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Dear thinker and thought provoker from Norway

It would appear that your posts have been increasingly more well mannered and dare I say, perhaps even quite friendly. In lieu of that, addressing you with your current handle seems somewhat impersonal to me. I would presume that an introduction is in order if I didn't take into account that a request to broadcast your identity on this website forum could very well be construed as an intrusive invasion on your privacy. Perhaps your possible usage of a more personal nickname would be a more acceptable proposal? That being said, lets get started. First a little rearrangement of the quotes you posted above is necessary to accurately identify who said what to who:
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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What should be important is to seriously consider your claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 and not things of minor importance. So let us stick to that!
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I KNOW that you've overlooked the fact that opinions are no better than speculations, which I do believe I have made all to clear in previous posts, and by what criterion do you determine what you should expect from the "two witnesses? I have addressed this exact topic in the following submission I previously posted on the THE TWO WITNESSES NAMED GREGORY thread:

And, once again, let me know when you have actually caught up with your examination of the previous submissions on this thread; but before you do please try to understand that what you "thought" (which means speculated) regarding "the true explanation of Revelation" (how poetic) as you put it, would have been much more relevant had the scriptures not been so badly tampered with, especially over the past 20 centuries.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Yes, I looked at your Gregory thread but could find no point of connection between what is said there and the text of Rev 11.
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Without attempting to appear condescending, I very much appreciate the completion of "homework" I requested. It may be difficult to conceive, that it's all actually directly and in some cases a little more indirectly connected. Of course if your exclusively referring to scriptural quotes rather than practical realizations and divine revelations, then granted there's not so much there to be found. As it was mentioned earlier in a previous posting on this "I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!" thread, it would be difficult to find anybody tuned into this thread, who isn't altogether familiar with the contents of the 11th chapter in question. I understand that you also wish for me to present a composition of a correlation with other passages, not only for your further enlightenment on the subject, but also to test my scriptural, academic credentials. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to happen. Rather than spending the next ten years or more composing countless references and cross-references, a task more appropriately left to those empowered specifically for that particular extremely time consuming purpopse, I hereby accurately predict that I will always be duly engaged in providing everything the good Lord sees fit and necessary for me to; at ever given moment, in every given circumstance and at wherever He sends me.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I did not ask for opinions or speculations...
 Quoting: Give your explanations


Correct me if this is wrong, taking into account that having consistently refused to indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation as such, was the following quote in fact not one of your submitted requests, recently addressed to me?:

The true explanation of Rev 11 I thought was integrated in Scripture and should therefore be expounded in biblical context. Since you are one of the true witnesses I wanted to hear your opinion on the contents of this eleventh chapter within the framework of biblical prophecy.
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Yes, what is submitted by Give your explanations was submitted by me.



An alternative way of explaining the point I posted previously would be for me to also suggest that you rephrase the preceding statement, "I did not ask for opinions or speculations" to read, "I did not ask for opinions which actually are nothing more than altogether useless speculations" instead, because that a fact that can't be refuted, at least not accurately. This is also an extremely relevant point to the mission mentioned in Revelation, chapter 11, as it is cause of one of the greatest obstacles challenging the successful completion of said mission. Thank God, He's in control, and as such has arranged for the unchangeable destiny prophesied to occur. Without interfering with anybodies free will, knowing perfectly well what our choices will be, He has arranged the most appropriate destiny. This has been arranged for all of eternity. So, again in conclusion, NO OPINION!!!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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I do not play vain word games like you do that have no relevance, not in the least when such games tend to disrespect the texts of Holy Scripture!

I have not determined what to expect but you yourself with your claim. Everybody understands that if a person, in this case you, is involved and described in Rev 11, that selfsame person must be expected to have first-hand knowledge and information (not speculations) on himself as given in the text.
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Obviously everybody, without the exclusion of my self has "first-hand" knowledge of themselves and taking into consideration the request you have herein expressed I will continue to share what has been revealed to me as time (WHO, in our present condition we have become enslaved to) permits.
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What you have done up to now is acting as though the text of Rev 11 consists of your own words, such as you therefore can also pass away as your own explanation. Up to now there is not even a jot of evidence in what you say that could prove that you understand Rev 11. You therefore try your utmost to get away from the responsibility that every true witness of God has, namely to enlighten people by giving them the true meaning of Scripture. I will later show from Scripture that you act as an impostor and not as a true witness.

Who else would be in a better position to give the true meaning than the very person who himself claim to be included in the text as one of the two witnesses?
 Quoting: Give your explanations


God! And if you think (which incidentally also means speculate) that we can not converse with Him directly then please recount you recollection of the "they will hear My voice" passage.
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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There is no way a false teacher or an impostor can or will hear God's voice other than by the mouth of God's true witnesses. I cannot see that you fit in as a person who has heared God's voice, for many of your words and doings are contrary to what they should be according to the Bible. I will show this from Scripture later in this writing.

In what you write I find no bridge by which to cross over to the text of Rev 11 and find you included there. What did I miss?
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Ya, your not gonna find my name anywhere in there. If you did, don't you think I would have been a goner a long time ago? Again, I wouldn't speculate about it. Easy way to get a head-ache. Not recommended. I know this isn't exactly what you mean. Now I tell you this, it isn't by erudite, academic scholarship, spiritual or otherwise, that the identity of God or his servants for that matter, can be fully conceived or comprehended, but rather by pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated and unadulterated loving devotion of the soul for the Supreme Being, which must not be interpreted as a flagrant attempt to discourage study of the scriptures, which irrefutably constitutes an act of devotion in and of itself.
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What you write and what I have emphasized with boldface letters show that you forget Jesu own words as we find them in Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." According to our Saviour we shall know by knowing the scriptures, being able also to reveal falsehood! According to Rom 10:17 the word comes first, then the hearing, and by hearing faith: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17 KJV) That is why you, since you claim to be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11, must have something worthwhile to reveal, namely by the Word. If you have nothing worthwhile to witness, then you are false and an impostor!

I hope that what you say about the scriptures having been so badly tampered with over the past 20 centuries does not mean that you reject Rev 11 from its status of being part of Holy Scripture.

By the way, it would be interesting also to know where exactly the text of Rev 11 (not speculations or opinions) has been tampered with! As the witness you claim to be God for sure has given you the eyes to see what is corrupt, if so!
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The scriptures instruct that we all be perfect, even as our Father is in heaven, as in the case of Job [as recorded in the original versions] and of course Jesus. Personally, I'm not there yet, so I highly recommend you thoroughly investigate any information I or anybody else for that matter that you are not completely convinced by proof, determined by divine revelation and resulting realization, impart to you.
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If you are "not there yet" why do you then refer me to you (the I) instead of to Holy Scripture? By the way, I already know what the scriptures instruct, so that was not my biggest problem but that you, who claim to be God's true witness in Rev 11, baulk at the idea of being responsible as such to show sincerely seeking people the true meanings of Scripture.

One significant fact I have noticed throughout my extensive research is that unlike so many other passages, the 11th chapter in all paraphrased, English translations, original and revised, the entire 11th chapter of Revelation in question is for all practical purposes, practically identical and you can take that to the bank, so to speak. There is a perfect, practical method for discerning and distinguishing the absolute truth from deception, involving 3 confirming, harmonious sources of information, referred to herein as the saints, the scriptures and the spiritual master, which when applied properly awards substantial, tangible, concrete evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. One essential factor required however is the absolute need for all 3, and as repeatedly stated previously, the key is nothing more and nothing less than cent percent sincerity. God is more than willing to reveal Himself and all the spiritual knowledge required to fully satisfy the determined sincere desire to know just what is best for us to know.
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Again you surprises me. What I asked you to do was to show me what you meant by telling me that Rev 11 had been tampered with. Why can you not respect other people as much as to pay attention to their comments and questions related to your very flimzy claim of being one of the two witnesses in Rev 11? Are you trying to highbrow me?

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and everywhere in between for giving me this invaluable, priceless opportunity to be engaged in the service of His servants, as this is definitely my prime objective for all of eternity.

Yours Truly,
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


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Your prime objective for all of eternity should be to speak and act in full accordance with Holy Scripture. That you have not done! I will therefore put forward some scriptures to show your deviation from Holy Scripture>

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mat 22:9-13


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Notice, the man without wedding garment did not answer when questioned how he could be there, exactly as I have asked you how you can be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3. As he did you also do, namely remain speechless!

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: The Bible, 2 Joh 1:9


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There is a certain doctrine based on the meaning of Holy Scripture that every person is advised to keep himself or herself to. That doctrine you have not dared to say anything about or reveal to people on this website, thus acting in a quite different way from Paul the apostle, who wrote this (1 Cor 9:16): woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 3:15-16


I think

People have asked the reason why you should be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11 but you have as yet not produced even a trace of it based on Holy Scripture. You act differently from the advice given by the apostle!

And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
 Quoting: The Bible, Mark 10:1


I think

Listen, what did our Saviour, as he was wont? Did he escape people out of fear that they demand him to teach them? No way, he used to teach them, enlighten them, so what are you doing?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1 Pet 4:11


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This scripture reveals to us that it is indeed possible for God's true witnesses to speak as the oracles of God, i.e. in full accordance with Holy Scripture! So why do you not do it, you who claim to be what you seemingly are not!

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:3


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Paul the apostle tells us that preaching is necessary in order to manifest God's word and will. So why are you so reluctant?

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
 Quoting: The Bible, Joh 3:33-34


I think
What does the person whom God has sent? Wow, he speaks the words of God, or would you say his own opinions or speculations?

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 Quoting: The Bible, 1Th 2:13


I think
Here we read that even though it is be by a man's mouth it still is the word of God, not something you should easily call speculations! Beware of this!

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
 Quoting: The Bible, Tit 1:1-3


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So, the conclusion is that there is something called The Word of God, and that word must be manifested through preaching, not through somebody who sits speechless where he should not sit, acting one of the two witnesses in Rev 11.

So, even though I have been harsh in this answer to you it is not against your person and soul but against the deception of Satan that has overwhelmed you.

May you come to your senses!
I think
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Gregory, you have avoided this response. Why?

-RML
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa

you have no testimony
-RML
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Dear Crazy, I mean Rocky Mountain "Lady" [RML]

The only truth to this preposterous, unfounded accusation is the fact that God hasn't seen fit to engage me in the tedious task of taking the enormous amount of time it would take to compose, type and submit my testimony on this forum for the scrutiny of mostly blind rejectors and scoffers, whose sole purpose in life appears to be vulgarly criticizing anybody who doesn't necessarily live up to their concocted criterion [based on their own fallacious,twisted interpretations and speculations of numerous different versions of scriptural translations and commentaries] of what is to be and not to be expected of personalities they've never witnessed prior to this. Despite my honest presentation [partial testimony] of dozens of pages of factual realizations, involving personal experiences and spiritual education, every submission has been unduly met with a swarm of aggressive, bloodthirsty persecutors, pouncing on their prey for what appears to be the sheer, perverse delight of it. Yet despite all of your failed attempts to discourage me from the execution of my mission I refuse to sacrifice my determination, not now and especially not when your rage increasingly becomes physically violent in a desperate attempt to stop the punishments of plague after plague that are incessantly imposed upon all of you. You mean to tell me that if your extraneous, outrageous demands are not met in order to test the efficacy of my authenticity, in the manner proposed previously, or in other words by receiving, in writing/typing no less, all that you've so unceremoniously and unjustifiably decided you should expect, then the factual claims made herein by me must necessarily be classified and discounted or rejected as false prophecy? Are you freaking kidding me?
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa

You have no true Testimony, only the wishful delusions of grandeur of a cripple in a nursing home. You are only to be laughed at and pitied.
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Is there even one amongst you who even wants true testimony rather than just something to spit at? Pigs don't deserve pearls!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa

I am not sure why you spammed my response all over your numerous threads as if I responded to them all. I have only responded to you on this thread.

It is completely understandable to me that you would call me "crazy". People who are not anchored in Scripture have historically looked at people who are and labeled them like you have. I assure you I am not crazy. I also understand that you are probably less than satisfied with the fact that people have not welcomed you after you made your claim that you are one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3 (without any Scriptural knowledge or understanding.)

I do hope you will wake up and see the truth. People who claim this are all over the net. We all must sincerely test people thoroughly who make these claims.

Good luck to you, Gregory.

-RML
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9624150

This is not testing. This is challenging. Blind rejection. Useless waste of time speculation. Waste of your time and mine. Unprovoked, antagonistic aggression. Insanity is an understatement! Amongst the aggressors currently plaguing practically every square inch of this presently God forsaken planet I never expected to be welcomed. I expect to be killed! It is not until we are ultimately resurrected in the view of the masses of people who are in this world and of it that there will finally be a massive awakening.
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Yes, it is testing and no blind rejection, for there is no doctrine put forward by you either to be accepted or REJECTED. Yes, it is challenging to you, since there is no foundation in Scripture for you to go on, as we have now seen. We are are not wasting your time but you ours by your false claim. Testing is of caused a result of of a need that something or something brings about, so your claim it is that provokes, even unprovoked and with antagonistic aggression to everybody who refers to Scripture and thus refutes your lies. Insanity is not found in Scripture but in those who twist the Scripture like you, and it is not even an understatement! If so, then you are no witness, for God's two true witnesses know for sure from Scripture that there will be many people who will understand and accept their testimony, not yours absent testimony. That you expect to be killed is no proof of your being true. Many insane people have like thoughts without being anything else but sick. That you will be resurrected in the way you say is a great fallacy, for the bodily resurrection takes place on the very last day, and all of humanity will be raised with nobody being excepted. So, this show that you misinterpret Scripture. You should Jesu word on the resurrection and be convinced that I tell the truth! What you say next is also a great fallacy, for since the bodily resurrection happens on the very last day there will never more be a massive awakening, for the great day of God's judgment has then arrived.

You twist Scripture, so therefore you are an impostor and liar!

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In love and respect sir how could anything precious be cast in a forum or on a platform such as this without some falling to the ground to be trampled? Its going to happen but some wisdom must be revealed and in that will always remain protected. You ask if there are any here who wants true testimony. That is what I asked for before and so I will turn again and I ask you if you

have truth to what lengths are you willing to go to to see that His children get it? If you stand as a witness then you are in a very unique circumstance to actually be an advocate to reveal with a loud voice. Something almost no other "man" can claim. I do not believe you came here expecting open arms in fact I believe the exact opposite but now that it has turned as you expected

what now can be done? What is the human soul worth? What value of another over you? Christ was the embodiment of sacrifice. A way must be found. A way will be found and if you claim the title that is between you and the Lord. While I do not/could not/ and would not say take the podium now and accept. It is not time very simply. There must be some scriptural insight you can share.

Will you?
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone



Ah...the ever so divinely refreshing, sweet scent of the ambrosial nectar of at the very least, apparently genuine sincerity, rationally tempered with the balanced recipe of the so essentially required ingredient of healthy skepticism so utterly necessary for complete satisfaction of the soul, that so compels me.

Let the light of this shining submission serve as a beacon, likened unto a voice of one crying out from the wilderness for all the faithful souls who are sincere, subsequently endowed with the ears to hear. So refreshing, so encouraging! The question that naturally arises from the conscientious aspect of my consciousness, inspires a sincere inquiry regarding the elusive identity of your personality.

Please understand that we too are not exempt from intensely experiencing naturally imbued personal feelings and that therefore it still breaks my heart to witness the inevitable destiny that awaits the wicked and cruel hearted clan of this decrepit, mundane, material existence. Before I continue I must take a brief moment now to marvel at the picture and accompanying scriptural caption you so magnanimously display with every submission, that encourages all somewhat sincere souls on the perilous, sometimes seemingly endless sojourn through this despicable valley of the degraded, undelivered dead. That being said, have you satisfactorily read and understood the entire contents of my initial response to your first kind inquiry, and in compliance with my humble request contained therein, have you caught up with a complete analysis of all the preceding submissions posted on this and the other threads that are displayed with the signature "Gauranga Prema Dasa. If not, I hereby again humbly beseech thee to thoroughly and carefully examine all of them prior to proceeding.

In continuation of the following admittedly essential and verily important installment an my testimonial presentation, what would ironically be a better place to begin than at the end, with the following preliminary insights, prerequisite for further understanding. As it is written in the last section of the last chapter of the Bible, entitled the Book of Revelation:

17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

Remember, as emphatically explained previously, the message of the two witnesses, of whom I am but just one, will literally come as so much of a surprise, nay a shock no less to the vast majority of the masses, that the people of this world today, will be amongst the many enthusiastically celebrating the assassination of our bodies.

Despite their understanding of the teachings of Jesus, who so clearly explained that he had so much more information to impart, so many of us so often exhibit the debilitating, diseased symptoms displayed by the intensely intrusive infliction referred to herein as blind rejection of any further enlightenment involving perfectly acceptable bonafide information, mercifully, munificently and magnanimously provided, stubbornly clinging to what little they know about what little they already possess, even while sometimes insidiously requesting further clarification, completely regardless of it's authenticity. Such as it has always been whenever encountering a prophet or even lord Jesus of Nazareth himself, the people of the time claim that although in the past there were the rejected few who were actually true, this could not possibly apply to you, or the lessons you are teaching. I tell you this, some of that information referred to herein that at that time those individuals had not he ears to bear, had already been made readily available elsewhere for others who in fact actually had the receptive capacity and intense inclination to receive it. Does it really come as such a surprise that the Middle East isn't the only part of this world, or even this universe that God has ever revealed anything significant and altogether noteworthy. But what of such a passage in question, would that not be classified as an addition to the prophecies of the "book," as it's put in the end of the book of Revelation, you ask. Now, if an unauthorized author for example were to compose his or her own theosophical thesis then add it to the book of John, claiming that it was originally there all along, then that of course would rightly be classified as plagiarism, but in consideration of the fact that if everything God had ever revealed were put into writing there would not be enough paper on the planet with which to transcribe it, isn't it conceivable that throughout history on other parts of the planet there were actually those who had conceived and composed divinely inspired revelations and recollections respectively in the same way those like John had done? Obviously. Did any dare to add their own historical accounts of occurrences witnessed and experienced at other times, in other part of the world, to the writings of any book contained in the Bible, presenting them as Biblical scripture. Certainly not! As a matter of fact there are a vast array of innumerable, divinely inspired accounts of such occurrences still readily available to this day for the sincere seekers of vital and immensely beneficial revelations that have not added anything to bible, nor has the bible added anything to them, nor in addition is there any contradictions to be found in either of them. Furthermore, every factor of logic, reasoning and even true scientific analysis, what to speak of every bonafide method of spiritual discernment, that is conclusively applied to the Bible, undeniably and irrefutably renders the same correct conclusion regarding the authenticity of all such tested, other divinely inspired literatures.

Despite the onslaught of horrendous accusations I have tolerated thus far, I disclose to you here and now that the factually realized information I have imparted up to this point, has all been amply impregnated with scriptural references that any exclusive scholar of the Bible would hardly be so much as even at all familiar with. So there you have it, and we haven't even touched upon the surface of all I have been sent to offer. As you can plainly see, the patients of the saints is not only mentioned in the scripture (known in Sanskrit, the oldest language known to man, as sastra [pronounced - shastruh] but is furthermore required of those seeking scriptural and testimonial enlightenment.

Previously, I had compiled an elaborately extensive autobiography (testimony if you will) however the unscrupulous leaders of a corrupted, religious organization found, crookedly confiscated and stored the manuscript in their archive's safe. I was later warned that if I ever publish that documentation I will subsequently be sued for slander, not that-that at all concerns me, but it would require a great deal more time than I have left, before the completion of the mission that is about to begin, to reproduce it. So again, thank you and stay tuned for much more to come. Peace be with you and all glories to the Supreme Personality of Godhead! Amen!

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible


This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible


This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
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I want to tell you people that the winepress in Rev 14:20 symbolizes what is normally called "the great tribulation" by some "Christians" but in plain language WWIII.

The true witnesses proclaim the everlasting gospel before that terrible war as foretold by Jesus in Mat 24:14. Let no one deceive you, for God's true witness does indeed speak these words to you!

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 Quoting: The Bible


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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible
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First of all thank you for using the spiritually given name I have long aspired to live up to. Second of all the two witnesses, of which I am but one, will in the very near future be endowed with these empowerments. Not yet!

This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
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As for this hypothesis, obvious speculation, incorrect recollection and as usual displays your persistent tendency to radically take scriptural quotes out of context. For the love of God and all that is holy, stop this! It is a waste of time that you just cannot afford!

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible


This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
I think
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I want to tell you people that the winepress in Rev 14:20 symbolizes what is normally called "the great tribulation" by some "Christians" but in plain language WWIII.

The true witnesses proclaim the everlasting gospel before that terrible war as foretold by Jesus in Mat 24:14. Let no one deceive you, for God's true witness does indeed speak these words to you!

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 Quoting: The Bible


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I will tell you why the word "furlong" is used in Rev 14:20. The reason is that the garden of apostolic doctrine and truth was overcome by antichrists (the beast) for such a long time. The word comes from the Old English "furlang", length of a furrow, and describes for what length the garden of apostolic truth was destroy by the tares.

May God bless you who seek.

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible
 Quoting: I think 67580667


First of all thank you for using the spiritually given name I have long aspired to live up to. Second of all the two witnesses of which I am but one will in the very near future be endowed with these empowerments. Not yet!

This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
I think
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As for the rest of this dissertation, obvious speculation, incorrect recollection and as usual displays your persistent tendency to radically take scriptural quotes out of context. For the love of God and all that is holy, stop this! It is a waste of time that you just cannot afford!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


As long as you have not given the "true" meaning you are doing nothing else than speculating, for who can be a witness without having anything true to witness.

You are just dreaming!

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 Quoting: The Bible
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First of all thank you for using the spiritually given name I have long aspired to live up to. Second of all the two witnesses of which I am but one will in the very near future be endowed with these empowerments. Not yet!

This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 Quoting: The Bible


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
I think
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As for the rest of this dissertation, obvious speculation, incorrect recollection and as usual displays your persistent tendency to radically take scriptural quotes out of context. For the love of God and all that is holy, stop this! It is a waste of time that you just cannot afford!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


As long as you have not given the "true" meaning you are doing nothing else than speculating, for who can be a witness without having anything true to witness.

You are just dreaming!

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Enough of this adolescent child's play! You have wasted enough of everyone's time spewing out your incessant drool. I have no intention of dignifying any more of this insolence with a response. May God have mercy on your stubborn soul!

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Since Gauranga Prema Dasa does not any longer seem willing to answer me I will point to a very important biblical fact found in Rev 11:6:

...
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First of all thank you for using the spiritually given name I have long aspired to live up to. Second of all the two witnesses of which I am but one will in the very near future be endowed with these empowerments. Not yet!

This scripture tells us that the true two witnesses are given the the power by God to shut heaven, and in spiritual meaning this means that if anybody rejects their true testimony the heaven of grace will be shut to the rejecter.

The waters that they can turn into blood are every doctrine that is falsely propogated as being the life-giving water of God. The smiting of the earth with all plagues means that when the true everlasting gospel is being proclaimed all false doctrines and beliefs of the great mass of people in the fallen away Christianity and elsewhere will be revealed to be of the devil to such an extent that it will torment all followers of those fallacies. It happens when what Jesus has foretold in Mat 24:14 takes place, and those who reject this last warning will be thrown into the winepress mentioned in Rev 14:20. There is no escape from it.

...


The one thousand and six hundred furlongs are symbolic for the time period of the falling-away, and the length of that period is 1600 years. The teachers of abominable doctrines have had their power to set up their idolatry and to deceive people since about 400 AD. but their power will be utterly destroyed, and that process of destruction started politically in 2001 AD.

That is why the true two witness of Rev 11:3 are now on the scene to helpe bewildered but honestly seeking people.

May you understand my words, for they are true.

Greetings
I think
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As for the rest of this dissertation, obvious speculation, incorrect recollection and as usual displays your persistent tendency to radically take scriptural quotes out of context. For the love of God and all that is holy, stop this! It is a waste of time that you just cannot afford!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


As long as you have not given the "true" meaning you are doing nothing else than speculating, for who can be a witness without having anything true to witness.

You are just dreaming!

I think
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Enough of this adolescent child's play! You have wasted enough of everyone's time spewing out your incessant drool. I have no intention of dignifying any more of this insolence with a response. May God have mercy on your stubborn soul!
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I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

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if you haven't seen the dead rise, you are no witness.
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You are speculating about the post un-empowerment period, rather than the pre-empowerment period we have not yet passed. Is there anybody on this crazy planet who doesn't constantly indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation and then ejaculate it in everyone else's faces?!!!
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First of all thank you for using the spiritually given name I have long aspired to live up to. Second of all the two witnesses of which I am but one will in the very near future be endowed with these empowerments. Not yet!

...


As for the rest of this dissertation, obvious speculation, incorrect recollection and as usual displays your persistent tendency to radically take scriptural quotes out of context. For the love of God and all that is holy, stop this! It is a waste of time that you just cannot afford!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


As long as you have not given the "true" meaning you are doing nothing else than speculating, for who can be a witness without having anything true to witness.

You are just dreaming!

I think
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Enough of this adolescent child's play! You have wasted enough of everyone's time spewing out your incessant drool. I have no intention of dignifying any more of this insolence with a response. May God have mercy on your stubborn soul!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

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I repeat:

I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

Are you running away from the evidence?

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As long as you have not given the "true" meaning you are doing nothing else than speculating, for who can be a witness without having anything true to witness.

You are just dreaming!

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Enough of this adolescent child's play! You have wasted enough of everyone's time spewing out your incessant drool. I have no intention of dignifying any more of this insolence with a response. May God have mercy on your stubborn soul!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

I think
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I repeat:

I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

Are you running away from the evidence?

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What I have said about the great tribulation is connected to what the Bible says about Gog in Scripture, for when the time is due God will let God bring His vengeance upon those who have for such a long time done every shape of abhorrent act to peaceful people. In that time Gog will start the calamity and then die, but only after his dark deeds have been fulfilled. In his days the 10 horns of the beast will hate the false woman as God has foretold, and the old world will die to give space to the new world of those peaceful people who are said by Jesus to inherit the earth.

In these days Gog is criticized for what he does but nevertheless he will not heed it. Jesus says to His people that when they see it they shall now that their freedom is approaching.

Let truth be glorified, for God's Will shall conquer the whole earth and all of humanity!

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Enough of this adolescent child's play! You have wasted enough of everyone's time spewing out your incessant drool. I have no intention of dignifying any more of this insolence with a response. May God have mercy on your stubborn soul!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

I think
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I repeat:

I accuse you of having contradicted Jesus and the Holy Scripture! It is confirmed in what you have written.

Doing as you have done is no child's play but the devil's play!

Are you running away from the evidence?

I think
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What I have said about the great tribulation is connected to what the Bible says about Gog in Scripture, for when the time is due God will let God bring His vengeance upon those who have for such a long time done every shape of abhorrent act to peaceful people. In that time Gog will start the calamity and then die, but only after his dark deeds have been fulfilled. In his days the 10 horns of the beast will hate the false woman as God has foretold, and the old world will die to give space to the new world of those peaceful people who are said by Jesus to inherit the earth.

In these days Gog is criticized for what he does but nevertheless he will not heed it. Jesus says to His people that when they see it they shall now that their freedom is approaching.

Let truth be glorified, for God's Will shall conquer the whole earth and all of humanity!

I think
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Dear people,

I give you the means to test my brother and me (the foretold true two witnesses) if he or I am indeed God's true witnesses of Rev 11:3. This is the measure I give you:

1) Nobody can refute our words based on Scripture

2) Both my brother and I have the power to refute falsehood put forward as the truth or part of the truth of Scripture.

3) We will always be loved as the best object of ridicule, but still love ourselves.

4) When our time is gone we (God's chosen) will be driven out from our own homes, hated, beated, ridiculed, even killed, but as our sufferings are at the greatest Gog will come, and none of our enemies will see us going up to heaven in a cloud but themselves see the cloud.

5) We are not scholarly but there is still not even one single scholar on this earth who can prove our testimony wrong.

6) In the period of a mighty person you will hear our voices and not believe what we say.

7) Then we will bow our knees and say to our Lord who called us: What more can we do, for our strength is gone and we see only hatred. At that time we shall welcome the "coming" of our Lord with trembling and awe, for He is indeed what He foretells in Scripture.

These words are true, for so is it foretold to be regarding God's true two witnesses.

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Is there anybody on this crazy planet who doesn't constantly indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation and then ejaculate it in everyone else's faces?!!!
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Some people think that if their handle doesn't appear in a submissiion then the remarks made therein are not also addressed to them. Thinking you might know something is just speculating!

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Is there anybody on this crazy planet who doesn't constantly indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation and then ejaculate it in everyone else's faces?!!!
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Some people think that if their handle doesn't appear in a submissiion then the remarks therein are not also addressed to them. Thinking you might know something is just speculating!
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Did you not mastubate (your own word) yourself in telling the lie and contradiction to Scripture that after the (bodilily) resurrection there will be an awakening?

What your words deny and contradict is that when mankind (every single one) is resurrected life on earth is ended! There can be no awakening on the judgment day, for on that day everybody will receive his or her deserts.

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Is there anybody on this crazy planet who doesn't constantly indulge in the mental masturbation of speculation and then ejaculate it in everyone else's faces?!!!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Some people think that if their handle doesn't appear in a submissiion then the remarks therein are not also addressed to them. Thinking you might know something is just speculating!
 Quoting: Gauranga Prema Dasa


Did you not mastubate (your own word) yourself in telling the lie and contradiction to Scripture that after the (bodilily) resurrection there will be an awakening?

What your words deny and contradict is that when mankind (every single one) is resurrected life on earth is ended! There can be no awakening on the judgment day, for on that day everybody will receive his or her deserts.

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You ought to know that you are opposing God's true witness and therefore are without power to succeed with your twistings of Scripture and your lies whatever.

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You are already seen for what you are, a liar and an impostor!





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