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Hello again, waterman,

So you dare go on propagating your stupidity and ignorance of the true contents of the book of Revelation? Well then, let us look at what you say and weigh it in the scales of truth. You quote Rev 12 and ask:

who is the child she gives birth to?
 Quoting: waterman

My answer:
At least, there is one evident thing that has tremendous impact on your question, namely the fact that ever since it came the book of Revelation foretells things to happen and not things that had already happened when it was given to the servants of God. That is what is written in Rev 1:1, so it cannot be denied. Therefore, the woman who gives birth to the man child in Rev 12:5 is definitely not Mary, the woman who gave birth to Jesus, our Saviour.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there
 Quoting: waterman

My answer:
You ought to read Scripture in humility and prayers to God, that He show you the truth, instead of contradicting His words. Your claim that the woman in Rev 12 is USA is just ridiculous rubbish, for while USA has 50 stars this woman has only 12 stars. USA has never, spiritually speaking, had the moon "under her feet", nor been "clothed with the sun". While the woman in Rev is being protected and will finally return to "her place" (Rev 12:14), being truthful, USA is seen to be the origin of many major false churches that spread their poison worldwide, among which are Mormonism, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventism, and Jehovah's witnesses.

That the true witness of God will come from USA is also rubbish, for USA is in the west, where the sun sets, while the true witness of God is raised up from the north country, which is therefore called "the rising of the sun" (namely (the place of) the rising of God's truth), as can be seen when Psalm 75:6, Isa 41:25, Psalm 48:2, and Zech 6:8 are compared:

For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
 Quoting: The Bible

I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
 Quoting: The Bible

Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
 Quoting: The Bible

Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 Quoting: The Bible

Also, in saying that God will bring Israel and Judah together you are contradicting the Bible, for in Zech 11:14 it is foretold that God will, on the contrary, "break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel" in the NT time period. These words cannot be applied to the ten tribes of historical Israel, for they are gone forever. What is called "Israel" in Zech 11:14 is in biblical prophecy the fallen-away Christianity of today.

You seem to claim that one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 is our Lord himself, but such a claim is downright a fallacy.

The two witnesses are foretold to sit on either side of Jesus Christ, so you are totally wrong. Read the following text in the Bible and become convinced that I tell you the truth!

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible

Pay heed to the truth that I tell you in order that God may heal you, or, else, accept the mark of the beast!

Greetings from
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 27455920

The two houses of Israel will be joined together again that is why the bible says "all of Israel" will be saved. The last day servant brings those two houses together and it shows it in Ezekiel 37:

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
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