Dear Chris,

Before I start saying anything about your quotes and comments I think we need to take a look at the framework of the book of Revelation, as we need to know what the main parts of the book are and in what chronological order they come. Without this perspective we are at a loss to place the minor parts of the book where they properly belong. Moreover, with the framework of the book of Revelation established, it will be easy for us to strengthen it with prophecies and figures found elsewhere in the Bible.

The first thing to realize about the structure of the book of Revelation is that one and the same theme is often described more times, although by way of different symbols. Because of that, for example, those who first read Rev 6:12-17 will be very perplexed when they later read Rev 9:13-21, wondering how it is possible for the earth to end twice. Further on, when they meet with Rev 20:11, which tells them that again the world ends, even a third time, they will be so shaken that they are in peril of losing faith in Scripture. All this, therefore, that I have said, means that the book of Revelation is no ordinary book with just one beginning and one end, but a book that describes the end with different symbols at successive places, though one and the same end is meant.



My answer:
Yes, it is a fraud! What regards being taken or being left has got to meanings, one spiritual and one literal. When Jesus comes in person on the last day all the dead in Christ will be resurrected, but only those who belong to Christ will be ”taken”. In the spiritual sense, however, when Jesus Christ returns in His parousia, which is spiritual through the man child and the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, those who take faith in the everlasting gospel will be ”taken” (i.e. marked with the seal of God), and the rest will be left to meet the great tribulation without God’s mercy and grace.

The hour of temptation (Rev 3:10) is the time when people hear the testimony of God’s two witnesses and must decide either to accept or reject it, and the Devil will do as best he can to deceive them to reject the testimony of these two messengers of God. Their testimony is the everlasting gospel of Rev 14:6 and includes both the law and the gospel (Rev 15:3), and the Bible’s prophecies. It is therefore the one and only true doctrine of God and nothing like the faulty doctrines run short of spiritual light (Rev 8:12), as found in fallen-away Christianity.



My answer:
Friend, listen, the people unto whom the word of God was precept upon precept, line upon line, a little here, a little there, were those who did not see the overall truth of God. I also experience it every day, for people who do not see or care about the word of God accuse me and answer to me: ”You take scriptures out of their context to suit your own purposes!” You will find such examples also here on GLP.

Isa 28:14 is part of a very interesting chapter which, in its spiritual meaning, describes the time when God judges false Christianity. He promises to be ”a crown of glory” (the truth) to those who according to Mat 19:28, Rev 20:4 and Psalm 149:9 execute a written (foretold) judgement on fallen-away Christianity, and who ”turn the battle to the gate” (Isa 28:6) in ”the war in heaven” (Rev 12:7). I could have expounded all of Isa 28 for you to read but I believe God will give you inner eyes to see what it says.

”The covenant with death” in Isa 28:15 means that they believe that their false doctrines and faith will save them, but, alas, since falsehood does not redeem any soul their faith in having a covenant with God is actually a covenant with death! In Rev 14:13 we can read that before the time of ”from henceforth” the dead (those who believed they were dead to the Law, Rom 6:11) died in the belief that they died in the Lord, but since their faith and doctrine were false, it could not be said that they were blessed. This terrible thing happens to deceived people being the result of their being tied to death by falsehood.

The the reason why people believe false doctrines like the rapture is that they have neither heard the apostolic truth of the Bible, nor questioned what truth is, for the night is still in their hearts and will remain there as long as they are members of false Christianity.

Since you are looking into Rev 11, I will give you my view on the chapter later on in this answer. Before doing it I think it will be useful for us to take a look at the time periods revealed in the book of Revelation, in order that we see where different issues belong.

When we read about the seven angels having the seven trumpets (Rev 8:6) we learn from Rev 9:12-13 that the first woe covers the first five trumpets, and from Rev 11:14-15 that the second woe covers the sixth trumpet while the third woe covers the seventh trumpet. Further, when we read about the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17 and compare the contents of this seal with the contents of the sixth trumpet in Rev 9:13-21, we notice that the sixth seal foretells an end as does also the sixth trumpet, as though the end is meant to come twice. We further see that there is additional information given after the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, something that shows us that the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet describe the same happenings, only with different symbols. The additional information following the sixth seal you find in Rev 7, whereas the additional information following the sixth trumpet is found in Rev 10 and Rev 11:1-14. These verses show us that the NT time period is divided into 7 time periods, each ushered in by a seal or a trumpet. After these time periods are laid down for us to see Scripture goes on to describe the whole time period of the NT, which is found in Rev 12. This chapter is an overview of what is foretold and given to the servants of God to know. We know that the true apostolic church was established by Jesus Christ, and that it should be overcome by the beast in Rev 13, as foretold by Jesus in John 9:4. We also know that Scripture foretells that Jesus Christ will come to destroy the beast and take the rule on earth, after it having first been proclaimed for the whole earth to know before it comes true.

According to the Bible, therefore, the order of events in NT time is this: 1) the time of the apostolic church, 2) the coming of the beast or Antichrist, 3) the coming of Jesus Christ in the spiritual meaning to judge and destroy the beast and Antichrist, and to establish His kingdom on earth.

Since the time period of the beast is said to be ”42 months” in Rev 13:14, we know that it is a 1260-year time period, which is what the expression ”a time, and times, and half a time” means in Dan 12:7. On this basis we know, furthermore, that the time period said to be “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” in Rev 12:6 is also 1260 years long. During this time period the true church of God with her everlasting gospel lives in the Gentile world, until she is forced to flee “unto her place” (Rev 12:14), which is Israel, where she will live for another 1260 years. The “70 weeks” in Dan 9:24 ended in 36 AD, so in the biblical time reckoning the NT time with the apostolic church began to run from that year. Jesus died in the midst of the last week of the 70 weeks, as foretold in Dan 9:27, i.e. in the midst of the last 7-year period, which is 33 AD. In that year He died in the literal meaning, but Scripture reveals that He was also going to die in the spiritual meaning, for He tells us this in John 9:4-5:

“We must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. When I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Everybody ought to realize that since Jesus is the light of the world when he is in the world, the foretold coming night cannot be a natural night but a spiritual night. This night came with the Antichrist, when the church fell away from God and Jesus had to leave his church in a spiritual meaning because the church had been corrupted.

Jesus Christ then died again in the midst of the week, but now in the spiritual meaning. What does it mean? Well, I think we can now take a look at what is said in an apocalyptic book called 4 Esdras, for it is in full harmony with the Bible. There we find the following prophecy which is now fulfilled (4 Esdras 7:28-31):

“For my son the Messiah shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years. And after these years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.”

This is the spiritual night which Jesus foretold.

”And the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings; so that no one shall be left. And after seven days the world, which is not yet awake, shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish.”

And here we see that the time period of the beast and Antichrist, which Rev 13:5 says is ”forty and two months” (1260 years), is called a time period of seven days (a week). What this leads us to is the conclusion that in the spiritual meaning Jesus Christ died in the midst of a week that prophetically is said to be 1260 year long. What does this tell us? Well, since the midst of 1260 years comes after 630 year, we find that 630 years calculated from 36 AD brings us to the year 666 AD. In this way we have calculated the number of the beast, as said in Rev 13:18, and found that that year is the terminus a quo for the beast’s 1260 years. We have also found how the beast’s number can also be the number of a man, the man being Jesus upon whose birth our time reckoning is based.

Now we are in the position to say that the NT time comprises these time periods: 1) the 630-year time period of the apostolic church, 2) the 1260-year time period of the beast and Antichrist, 3) the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel, 4), the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel and church in historical Israel.



My answer:
The reed like unto a rod that was given to John, who here symbolizes one of God’s two witnesses, is mentioned in Isa 28:17:

”And I will make justice the line, and righteousness the plummet; and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding-place.”

With justice and righteousness God’s witnesses will measure the temple, those who give ear to their testimony and come to faith through it. The court which is without the temple is the fallen-away Christianity with all her false churches, cults, denominations, and deceived people. They will not be measured and instructed, for their teachers have ensnared them with their lies to such an extent that their hearts and souls have become callous and incapable of recognizing the voice of truth when heard. Yes, the truth they have trampled under foot for 1260 years, since the time when the third trumpet was sounded, but now God’s kingdom is coming back as the everlasting gospel and New Jerusalem to fight those liars back to the gate, and, they will be cast out of the kingdom their fathers invaded, as Jesus foretells in Mat 8:12.



My answer:
”His servants the prophets” in chapter 10 are primarily the OT prophets of Israel who had visions and prophecied secrets many of which are still hidden, but which will be revealed in time when needed, i.e. in the coming time period of the jewish people, when the church is in historical Israel. This said, we also know from Scripture that God will send new prophets to serve His church of the everlasting gospel. The three woes are woes only once each, and this is why they are woes:

First woe is a woe because the true apostolic church fell away from God. The second woe is a woe because God’s terrible judgement falls upon fallen-away Christianity and the secular powers that have sided with her. Second woe includes a horrendous war that is foretold in Isa 24. The third woe is a woe because the Gentiles again leave God, as can be seen in Rom 11:25, and God’s church is then forced to leave the Gentile world and flee to ”her place”, Israel.



My answer:
What is written in Rev 10 is additional information to what is said in relation to the sixth trumpet, whereas ”His servants the prophets” are mentioned in relation to the seventh trumpet. Even so, the two witnesses are God’s servants, as everyone is who believes in our Saviour Jesus Christ. There is no difference except for the two witnesses having to bear the brunt of Antichrist’s attack in the war of heaven. They are sent to prepare the way before the Lord (Mal 3:1) and to protect those who sincerely seek their Saviour. Yes, you are right, for the two witnesses will minister the everlasting gospel. Nobody can do it except the messengers of God who know what the everlasting gospel is. I have now given you a time line, and if you keep to it God will reveal more to you. If anything is still obscure you are welcome to send me your questions.



My answer:
No, the time of the first woe has gone by, so now we are in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, which is also the time of the second woe. The war between the two witnesses and the beast will be at its worst stage when the false prophet of the mind of the wounded head arrives. He has not yet arrive but will soon. He is one of two people who make believe that they are the two witnesses of God, but they teach the false doctrine of the second head, who is Marthin Luther. He is the person who was wounded by the Word, i.e. in the sense given by Paul the apostle in Rom 7:9. But Luther did not let the Word and Spirit convert him, so he became instead one of the seven heads of the beast. Read Isa 9:15. Luther became the head of false Lutheranism. The false prophet therefore belongs to the second beast in Rev 13:11, which itself is the second head of beast which came up out of the sea.



My answer:
Yes, you are right. That great city is Babylon, the fallen-away Christianity. That the dead bodies of the two witnesses shall lie in the street of that city means that those who follows falsehood will not pay heed to the true testimony of the two witnesses but instead rejoice whenever they can accuse them of being sinners and just ordinary human beings, as they are themselves. The difference is that they are more inclined to look for other peoples’ sins than they are for their own. In that way they reveal themselves for the great judgement day to be dishonest people, such as judge others more harshly than they would themselves for the same sins. You see that the two witnesses come forth from the depth of remorse for all their shortcomings, and they fight their way through many stages in the hope of being able to help everyone who seeks the truth and come their way.



My answer:
Yes, these two prophets will torment them, but they have asked for it. The sad thing is that while the locust in Rev 5:3-5 could torment people for 5 months without killing, the true witnesses and prophets of God can also kill, which is the secret of Rev 11:6. What the locusts could not do was to make people dead to the law, as said in Rom 7:4, for every soul who is dead to the law will be saved. When people reject God’s two witnesses, who are the messengers of God’s last warning, heaven will be shut to them and they will die an eternal death.



My answer:
That God gives the two witnesses life and resurrects them to heaven does not mean a bodily resurrection, which can happen only on the last day, as Jesus says, but that the time of God’s mercy has ended. When people realize that what the two witnesses and prophets warned them about starts to happen, it will be too late. They will see the clouds of destruction and understand that there is no more time for them to repent, and that no other witnesses can come any more. They will shout in despair to God Almighty but He will no more listen. They had their time and used it as their opportunity to hate God’s witnesses. God will therefore send them with seeing eyes into hell and everlasting fire. The two witnesses tried to save them, but they were not acknowledge to be what they indeed were by the ungodly multitudes.



My answer:
There are two meanings of prophetic utterances, one spiritual and one historical. Your words relate to the spiritual meaning, and I am glad that you see it. The historical meaning is that when people see the cloud of destruction they know what is coming and that the two witnesses of God were what they were.



My answer:
Rev 11:13 pertains to the end of the time period of the sixth trumpet, so that secret will be revealed in that time. We are now living in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, before the great tribulation.



My answer:
The four and twenty elders are not the 144000 sealed people. They are the coming true spiritual rulers of God’s everlasting church. What they are is still a secret, but I can tell you that they are four groups of six people, each group belonging to one of the four living creatures, being their six wings. I cannot tell you more, but my words are true.



My answer:
What is said in Rev 11:17-18 belong to the time period of the jewish people, which is not yet. When that time period ends the last and great judgement day comes, when this earth ends and the heavens. The 144000 sealed people are the New Jerusalem. Yes, the 12 apostles are the foundation of New Jerusalem, for their life and doctrine is Jesus Christ Himself.



My answer:
I think I must come back and write specifically about what belongs in the time period of the jewish people.



My answer:
And I am grateful to have met you. All the best, and God bless!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah