I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

Is that related to the id 10 T thread?

What is strange is if Elijah is one of the two witnesses why doesn't it mention the other witness? Because the other witness is in the volume of the book and will have an Elijah just as his father Jesus did. You have 3 Israels in the bible

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. the nation of Isreal

the whole purpose is to reverse the curse and unite the lost 10 tribes with the other 2 again

Jesus made the salvation part possible
Adam does the uniting part by leading people to Jesus
Elijah does the part of Eve the help meet.

Everybody sees 2 of the Israels throughout the bible
1. Jesus (Israel)
2. The nation (Israel)

What about the 3rd Israel(Jesus' firstborn) Adam

Adam is the only person who could hide in scriptures that refer to Jesus and still be hidden from everybody until the end

Adam born of a virgin spirit and virgin earth
Jesus born of a virgin Mary

Adam first born son of God and when he returns as a witness will be a son of man just as Jesus had both titles.

Adam was before David and will come after david

I can't make you see something you don't want to see, but remember this:

2 of the 3 Israels are in the volume of the book, you decide what you think of the other Israel(Adam) and why he isn't in the volume of the book

I see from your threads that you believe in a "rapture." I did as well awhile ago so I understand this misstep but there is no rapture. That is a fallacy given by the fallen away church.Once you pray for truth from God Almighty, you will realize this.

God Bless You,
RockyMtnLady

Oh there is a rapture. When Jesus is talking to the 7 churches, which we know Jesus only has one church so he is actually speaking to different levels of followers of Jesus and the church of philadelphia(those who know Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior") is told they will be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming up on the earth the rest of the church only knew Jesus as a fire insurance salesman, will go through another 7 years and the endtime witnesses teach the tribulation saints how to make Jesus "Lord" and not just savior, they teach the people righteousness. The reason the church of philadelphia is kept from that 7 years are kept is because they endured the 42 prior to the 7 year trib and remained faithful(5 wise virgins) which is the united states destruction and the cup that Jesus drank from and the furnace of affliction or fire batpizism that Jesus was baptized with that the two witnesses come out of.

Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast "some" of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Some will do all 10 years but the church of philadelphia will only do 42 months because the prove to be faithful, their faith is tested and they pass

What then, do you make out of (John 6:40) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

???

RockyMtnLady

The last 7 years is the story of Joseph and the famine. There was a physical famine in the land for 7 years and Joseph fed the people because he know the plan of God

The last 7 years there is a spiritual famine for the word of God which is the bread(Jesus). Adam will feed the people spiritually all that his father Jesus tells him, just as Jesus' father told him what to say and do

Adams comission will be to unite the 10 lost tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin and to teach people righteousness to show them how to make Jesus "Lord" and Savior......and to GLORIFY JESUS, just as Jesus glorified the Father. These tribulation saint will be holy again after the furnace of affliction 42 months in a concentration camp and no idols left they will be ready to be taught about Jesus and that is what the son of Jesus, Adam will do

I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

RockyMtnLady

No one can see this man(ADAM) or those with him until the time it is for him to be revealed.


Jesus is speaking when he says no man can see my "Son" with a capital "Son" is because all of Jesus' children are sons and daughters but the firstborn Adam is the firstborn and receives the double portion and is meant to rule over the entire congregation with father to children relationship.

2nd Esdras 13:51-52 apocrpaha:
51 Then said I, O Lord that bearest rule, shew me this: Wherefore have I seen the man coming up from the midst of the sea?
52 And he said unto me, Like as thou canst neither seek out nor know the things that are in the deep of the sea: even so can no man upon earth see my Son(ADAM,FIRSTBORN), or those that be with him, but in the day time

verse 51 esdras is speaking to "Lord that bearest rule" which is Jesus because Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
and we know from Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
and Jesus is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God and his word is from everlasting to everlasting. God's word covers past, present, and future therefore Jesus' position is the same.

To further prove that esdras is speaking to Jesus(Lord that bearest rule) Jesus speaks of God the Father as a seperate intity from Himself by stating in 2 Esd. 13:26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his(Gods) creature(creation): and he shall order them that are left behind

I admire your efforts to consistently deflect questions and I also admire the stories you have fabricated...for they take someone who has a very clear imagination, but you are mistaken. You cannot deflect Holy Scripture...it is what it is. It is TRUTH. Other narratives are just stories concocted by the storyteller.

RockyMtnLady

Jesus was the worlds greatest story teller, without a story Jesus wouldn't talk to the people, just as the bible is made up of stories that have hidden meanings for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear

Christ spoke in parables but not in "Waterman language". You make no sense...sorry dude and you are not consistent with Holy Scripture AT ALL.

RockyMtnLady

Hi,

I will now answer and comment on what you say.



My answer:
For a person who does not know biblical times and numbers and the setting of prophecies, both historical and spiritual, it is natural to see only "unsubstantiaed claims". This is clearly said by Paul the apostle in 1 Cor 2:14:

Since you say that Paul is false you are in fact making unsubstantiated claims yourself, without having any evidence for what you say. In Isa 46:10 God speaks through His prophet saying this:

What this means is that the words that God declared from the beginning about things yet to come, for instance about the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, have both a literal and a spiritual meaning, for the old literal worship of God through sacrifices has become a spiritual worship through the Holy Spirit, yet both the literal and the spiritual meanings are hidden in the same prophetic words. As long as you do not see this biblical fact you will also not see substantiated truths. That I am like "the others", Chip included, is just rubbish on your part, for none of them have spoken according to Scripture as I have done. That is why their words can be easily refuted while my words are firmly based on Scripture. When you say that I "don't know the word of God as well as you like to think you do," you are in fact speaking about yourself! That I take the word of God, as you say, "out of context a lot which no true witness would do," will be impossible for you to prove. So until you prove your words you will stay a liar.



My answer:
What Scripture foretells about the one that comes from the north, which I have referred to, is the following verse (Isa 41:25):



My answer:
Are they? If a witness of God be automatically also a prophet, then try to apply that falsehood of yours on people who lived in the Old Testament time, who were of God. Read Isa 43:10:

Here it is explained that they are witnesses in respect of knowing and believing in God, not because of the faculty of prophesying. In Heb 1:1:

Would you say that all the fathers unto whom the prophets spoke were themselves prophets, and if so, why should a true prophet speak to a true prophet, as though the latter were no prophet at all? Or, since the fathers were spoken to by the prophets, would you say that they were ungodly people, such as knew and believed not in God? If you admit that they indeed did know and believe in God then you must also admit that they were witnesses of God, in spite of not being prophets! You see, I am not splitting hair or twisting Scripture, but speaking from the foundation of Scripture, at the same time showing you to be wrong.



My answer:
Are you sure? Have I not already refuted your lies and thus showed everybody that there is no living water in you, only falsehood, and in doing so I have made your water into blood, showing it to be a mixture of lies that kills and thus from the Devil himself! Your ignorance does not annul the true meaning of Scripture. You think in your stupidity that the time period of the two witnesses is "one thousand two hundred and sixty days," but that is wrong since that time period applies to their work as prophets and not as witnesses.



My answer:
What law are you speaking about? If you mean God's law I will ask you why the law of God who is Spirit would be only literal? He who commands the whole universe and all existence, why should His law be reduced to the material world of small human beings on this earth? We need no Paul to understand the right answer, though he has the right answer in spite of your disrespect of him.

Since you say that I am so obvious in my vain egocentricity people will wonder why you do not feel and see my power in Scripture, such as has put you to shame without yourself having yet understood it. Go on in your stupidity and lick your wounds in the end, for the true witness of God has spoken against you!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Dear Chris,

Before I start saying anything about your quotes and comments I think we need to take a look at the framework of the book of Revelation, as we need to know what the main parts of the book are and in what chronological order they come. Without this perspective we are at a loss to place the minor parts of the book where they properly belong. Moreover, with the framework of the book of Revelation established, it will be easy for us to strengthen it with prophecies and figures found elsewhere in the Bible.

The first thing to realize about the structure of the book of Revelation is that one and the same theme is often described more times, although by way of different symbols. Because of that, for example, those who first read Rev 6:12-17 will be very perplexed when they later read Rev 9:13-21, wondering how it is possible for the earth to end twice. Further on, when they meet with Rev 20:11, which tells them that again the world ends, even a third time, they will be so shaken that they are in peril of losing faith in Scripture. All this, therefore, that I have said, means that the book of Revelation is no ordinary book with just one beginning and one end, but a book that describes the end with different symbols at successive places, though one and the same end is meant.



My answer:
Yes, it is a fraud! What regards being taken or being left has got to meanings, one spiritual and one literal. When Jesus comes in person on the last day all the dead in Christ will be resurrected, but only those who belong to Christ will be ”taken”. In the spiritual sense, however, when Jesus Christ returns in His parousia, which is spiritual through the man child and the two witnesses of Rev 11:3, those who take faith in the everlasting gospel will be ”taken” (i.e. marked with the seal of God), and the rest will be left to meet the great tribulation without God’s mercy and grace.

The hour of temptation (Rev 3:10) is the time when people hear the testimony of God’s two witnesses and must decide either to accept or reject it, and the Devil will do as best he can to deceive them to reject the testimony of these two messengers of God. Their testimony is the everlasting gospel of Rev 14:6 and includes both the law and the gospel (Rev 15:3), and the Bible’s prophecies. It is therefore the one and only true doctrine of God and nothing like the faulty doctrines run short of spiritual light (Rev 8:12), as found in fallen-away Christianity.



My answer:
Friend, listen, the people unto whom the word of God was precept upon precept, line upon line, a little here, a little there, were those who did not see the overall truth of God. I also experience it every day, for people who do not see or care about the word of God accuse me and answer to me: ”You take scriptures out of their context to suit your own purposes!” You will find such examples also here on GLP.

Isa 28:14 is part of a very interesting chapter which, in its spiritual meaning, describes the time when God judges false Christianity. He promises to be ”a crown of glory” (the truth) to those who according to Mat 19:28, Rev 20:4 and Psalm 149:9 execute a written (foretold) judgement on fallen-away Christianity, and who ”turn the battle to the gate” (Isa 28:6) in ”the war in heaven” (Rev 12:7). I could have expounded all of Isa 28 for you to read but I believe God will give you inner eyes to see what it says.

”The covenant with death” in Isa 28:15 means that they believe that their false doctrines and faith will save them, but, alas, since falsehood does not redeem any soul their faith in having a covenant with God is actually a covenant with death! In Rev 14:13 we can read that before the time of ”from henceforth” the dead (those who believed they were dead to the Law, Rom 6:11) died in the belief that they died in the Lord, but since their faith and doctrine were false, it could not be said that they were blessed. This terrible thing happens to deceived people being the result of their being tied to death by falsehood.

The the reason why people believe false doctrines like the rapture is that they have neither heard the apostolic truth of the Bible, nor questioned what truth is, for the night is still in their hearts and will remain there as long as they are members of false Christianity.

Since you are looking into Rev 11, I will give you my view on the chapter later on in this answer. Before doing it I think it will be useful for us to take a look at the time periods revealed in the book of Revelation, in order that we see where different issues belong.

When we read about the seven angels having the seven trumpets (Rev 8:6) we learn from Rev 9:12-13 that the first woe covers the first five trumpets, and from Rev 11:14-15 that the second woe covers the sixth trumpet while the third woe covers the seventh trumpet. Further, when we read about the sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17 and compare the contents of this seal with the contents of the sixth trumpet in Rev 9:13-21, we notice that the sixth seal foretells an end as does also the sixth trumpet, as though the end is meant to come twice. We further see that there is additional information given after the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, something that shows us that the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet describe the same happenings, only with different symbols. The additional information following the sixth seal you find in Rev 7, whereas the additional information following the sixth trumpet is found in Rev 10 and Rev 11:1-14. These verses show us that the NT time period is divided into 7 time periods, each ushered in by a seal or a trumpet. After these time periods are laid down for us to see Scripture goes on to describe the whole time period of the NT, which is found in Rev 12. This chapter is an overview of what is foretold and given to the servants of God to know. We know that the true apostolic church was established by Jesus Christ, and that it should be overcome by the beast in Rev 13, as foretold by Jesus in John 9:4. We also know that Scripture foretells that Jesus Christ will come to destroy the beast and take the rule on earth, after it having first been proclaimed for the whole earth to know before it comes true.

According to the Bible, therefore, the order of events in NT time is this: 1) the time of the apostolic church, 2) the coming of the beast or Antichrist, 3) the coming of Jesus Christ in the spiritual meaning to judge and destroy the beast and Antichrist, and to establish His kingdom on earth.

Since the time period of the beast is said to be ”42 months” in Rev 13:14, we know that it is a 1260-year time period, which is what the expression ”a time, and times, and half a time” means in Dan 12:7. On this basis we know, furthermore, that the time period said to be “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” in Rev 12:6 is also 1260 years long. During this time period the true church of God with her everlasting gospel lives in the Gentile world, until she is forced to flee “unto her place” (Rev 12:14), which is Israel, where she will live for another 1260 years. The “70 weeks” in Dan 9:24 ended in 36 AD, so in the biblical time reckoning the NT time with the apostolic church began to run from that year. Jesus died in the midst of the last week of the 70 weeks, as foretold in Dan 9:27, i.e. in the midst of the last 7-year period, which is 33 AD. In that year He died in the literal meaning, but Scripture reveals that He was also going to die in the spiritual meaning, for He tells us this in John 9:4-5:

“We must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. When I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Everybody ought to realize that since Jesus is the light of the world when he is in the world, the foretold coming night cannot be a natural night but a spiritual night. This night came with the Antichrist, when the church fell away from God and Jesus had to leave his church in a spiritual meaning because the church had been corrupted.

Jesus Christ then died again in the midst of the week, but now in the spiritual meaning. What does it mean? Well, I think we can now take a look at what is said in an apocalyptic book called 4 Esdras, for it is in full harmony with the Bible. There we find the following prophecy which is now fulfilled (4 Esdras 7:28-31):

“For my son the Messiah shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years. And after these years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.”

This is the spiritual night which Jesus foretold.

”And the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings; so that no one shall be left. And after seven days the world, which is not yet awake, shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish.”

And here we see that the time period of the beast and Antichrist, which Rev 13:5 says is ”forty and two months” (1260 years), is called a time period of seven days (a week). What this leads us to is the conclusion that in the spiritual meaning Jesus Christ died in the midst of a week that prophetically is said to be 1260 year long. What does this tell us? Well, since the midst of 1260 years comes after 630 year, we find that 630 years calculated from 36 AD brings us to the year 666 AD. In this way we have calculated the number of the beast, as said in Rev 13:18, and found that that year is the terminus a quo for the beast’s 1260 years. We have also found how the beast’s number can also be the number of a man, the man being Jesus upon whose birth our time reckoning is based.

Now we are in the position to say that the NT time comprises these time periods: 1) the 630-year time period of the apostolic church, 2) the 1260-year time period of the beast and Antichrist, 3) the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel, 4), the 1260-year time period of the everlasting gospel and church in historical Israel.



My answer:
The reed like unto a rod that was given to John, who here symbolizes one of God’s two witnesses, is mentioned in Isa 28:17:

”And I will make justice the line, and righteousness the plummet; and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding-place.”

With justice and righteousness God’s witnesses will measure the temple, those who give ear to their testimony and come to faith through it. The court which is without the temple is the fallen-away Christianity with all her false churches, cults, denominations, and deceived people. They will not be measured and instructed, for their teachers have ensnared them with their lies to such an extent that their hearts and souls have become callous and incapable of recognizing the voice of truth when heard. Yes, the truth they have trampled under foot for 1260 years, since the time when the third trumpet was sounded, but now God’s kingdom is coming back as the everlasting gospel and New Jerusalem to fight those liars back to the gate, and, they will be cast out of the kingdom their fathers invaded, as Jesus foretells in Mat 8:12.



My answer:
”His servants the prophets” in chapter 10 are primarily the OT prophets of Israel who had visions and prophecied secrets many of which are still hidden, but which will be revealed in time when needed, i.e. in the coming time period of the jewish people, when the church is in historical Israel. This said, we also know from Scripture that God will send new prophets to serve His church of the everlasting gospel. The three woes are woes only once each, and this is why they are woes:

First woe is a woe because the true apostolic church fell away from God. The second woe is a woe because God’s terrible judgement falls upon fallen-away Christianity and the secular powers that have sided with her. Second woe includes a horrendous war that is foretold in Isa 24. The third woe is a woe because the Gentiles again leave God, as can be seen in Rom 11:25, and God’s church is then forced to leave the Gentile world and flee to ”her place”, Israel.



My answer:
What is written in Rev 10 is additional information to what is said in relation to the sixth trumpet, whereas ”His servants the prophets” are mentioned in relation to the seventh trumpet. Even so, the two witnesses are God’s servants, as everyone is who believes in our Saviour Jesus Christ. There is no difference except for the two witnesses having to bear the brunt of Antichrist’s attack in the war of heaven. They are sent to prepare the way before the Lord (Mal 3:1) and to protect those who sincerely seek their Saviour. Yes, you are right, for the two witnesses will minister the everlasting gospel. Nobody can do it except the messengers of God who know what the everlasting gospel is. I have now given you a time line, and if you keep to it God will reveal more to you. If anything is still obscure you are welcome to send me your questions.



My answer:
No, the time of the first woe has gone by, so now we are in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, which is also the time of the second woe. The war between the two witnesses and the beast will be at its worst stage when the false prophet of the mind of the wounded head arrives. He has not yet arrive but will soon. He is one of two people who make believe that they are the two witnesses of God, but they teach the false doctrine of the second head, who is Marthin Luther. He is the person who was wounded by the Word, i.e. in the sense given by Paul the apostle in Rom 7:9. But Luther did not let the Word and Spirit convert him, so he became instead one of the seven heads of the beast. Read Isa 9:15. Luther became the head of false Lutheranism. The false prophet therefore belongs to the second beast in Rev 13:11, which itself is the second head of beast which came up out of the sea.



My answer:
Yes, you are right. That great city is Babylon, the fallen-away Christianity. That the dead bodies of the two witnesses shall lie in the street of that city means that those who follows falsehood will not pay heed to the true testimony of the two witnesses but instead rejoice whenever they can accuse them of being sinners and just ordinary human beings, as they are themselves. The difference is that they are more inclined to look for other peoples’ sins than they are for their own. In that way they reveal themselves for the great judgement day to be dishonest people, such as judge others more harshly than they would themselves for the same sins. You see that the two witnesses come forth from the depth of remorse for all their shortcomings, and they fight their way through many stages in the hope of being able to help everyone who seeks the truth and come their way.



My answer:
Yes, these two prophets will torment them, but they have asked for it. The sad thing is that while the locust in Rev 5:3-5 could torment people for 5 months without killing, the true witnesses and prophets of God can also kill, which is the secret of Rev 11:6. What the locusts could not do was to make people dead to the law, as said in Rom 7:4, for every soul who is dead to the law will be saved. When people reject God’s two witnesses, who are the messengers of God’s last warning, heaven will be shut to them and they will die an eternal death.



My answer:
That God gives the two witnesses life and resurrects them to heaven does not mean a bodily resurrection, which can happen only on the last day, as Jesus says, but that the time of God’s mercy has ended. When people realize that what the two witnesses and prophets warned them about starts to happen, it will be too late. They will see the clouds of destruction and understand that there is no more time for them to repent, and that no other witnesses can come any more. They will shout in despair to God Almighty but He will no more listen. They had their time and used it as their opportunity to hate God’s witnesses. God will therefore send them with seeing eyes into hell and everlasting fire. The two witnesses tried to save them, but they were not acknowledge to be what they indeed were by the ungodly multitudes.



My answer:
There are two meanings of prophetic utterances, one spiritual and one historical. Your words relate to the spiritual meaning, and I am glad that you see it. The historical meaning is that when people see the cloud of destruction they know what is coming and that the two witnesses of God were what they were.



My answer:
Rev 11:13 pertains to the end of the time period of the sixth trumpet, so that secret will be revealed in that time. We are now living in the beginning of the time period of the sixth trumpet, before the great tribulation.



My answer:
The four and twenty elders are not the 144000 sealed people. They are the coming true spiritual rulers of God’s everlasting church. What they are is still a secret, but I can tell you that they are four groups of six people, each group belonging to one of the four living creatures, being their six wings. I cannot tell you more, but my words are true.



My answer:
What is said in Rev 11:17-18 belong to the time period of the jewish people, which is not yet. When that time period ends the last and great judgement day comes, when this earth ends and the heavens. The 144000 sealed people are the New Jerusalem. Yes, the 12 apostles are the foundation of New Jerusalem, for their life and doctrine is Jesus Christ Himself.



My answer:
I think I must come back and write specifically about what belongs in the time period of the jewish people.



My answer:
And I am grateful to have met you. All the best, and God bless!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse! No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others! You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble. For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced. Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them! They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another! These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him. Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others! In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!

You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse!

No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others!

O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble.

but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain; And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people. For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced.

Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them!

Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another!

These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him.

Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others!

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked EVERY DAY.

In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!

You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse! No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others! You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble. For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced. Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them! They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another! These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him. Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others! In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!

You sir, are about as much of a true witness for my God and the Lord of Glory, as mickey mouse!

No true witness would express such a spirit of inward hatred for others!

O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

You are not in contention to prove a claim, as much as to prove a position. A true Witnesses would be humble.

but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain; And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people. For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

For to qualify for such a position requires a long testing time of heart, which you have obviously never experienced.

Neither of the Two Witnesses are yet made perfected to fulfill that office, much less make a claim to it! These two men will seek to avoid these positions, not boast of them!

Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

They will not seek to manifest their position to threaten, defend their selfish purpose, or seek to belittle another!

These type of things would be of those who boast of false humility. To those who leave others with the impression of authority that has never been granted to them by the Master of the souls of those who truly belong to him.

Sir, I suggest you go on a long journey or a short one and find this kind Master, and learn the try ways of gratitude, and humility! For the blood has been shed as much for you as for others!

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked EVERY DAY.

In service to him for nearly four decades; I have never seen such a boastful attitude to a claim, of one who would ever claim, in this manner to be one of those, of that commission. Good journey little brother!

Hi,

I will now answer and comment on what you say:



My answer:
I do not claim to be a true witness for YOUR God, it suffices that you are his witness, but I do doubt that he be the Lord of Glory. I have my reasons for that doubt!



My answer:
I will ask you if you ever thought about the possibility that what you think is hatred instead is love. Would you for instance say that the following words reveal hatred (Luke 3:7) instead of love?



And did not Paul the apostle call certain people dogs? Was he then humble and showing love? If the word hatred per se is a pertinent argument against truth, then why did David say the words you find in Psalm 139:21?



Would you say that David was not a true witness of God? That he was filled with hatred and therefore also not humble?



My answer:
Isa 57 firsts tells about the evil times of God's people, about the triumph of their enemies, and about their having been humbled, but then goes on in verses 13 through 15 to tell that the spirit of the humble and contrite will be revived and even dwell in the high and lofty place with their Lord, as the following words show us:



This chapter of Isaiah shows that there will come about a great change in which the Lord will not contend for ever. Scripure tells us that He contends through His witnesses, those who have been revived and given the right to dwell in the high and holy place. Therefore, when such people speak and contend from the high but holy place their opponents will for sure hold them to be haughty people. Did you ever look at prophetic things from that perspective?



My answer:
Well, read Isa 57 and pay special attention to these words "I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit. But why do you mean that you are in the position to know what I have experienced? Is not that downright haughtiness on your part?



My answer:
So you are now telling us here on GLP that you know what or who the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 are or will be? If you knew, which you definitely do not, you would also understand the secret of Dan 8:13-14:



How would you for instance explain the seemingly different answers given basically to the same question in Dan 8:14 and Dan 12:7, which one of the two witnesses asks? Show us now that know about these things in your humbleness while I do not in my haughtiness!



My answer:
When your Mickey Mouse speaks there is no threat and death in his world but I say to you that when the true two witnesses speak there will be a division between life and death, for with their testimony comes the "hour of temptation" (Rev 3:10), which means that Satan will do his utmost to prevent people from understanding and believing their everlasting gospel. Whoever speaks against them defends his own selfish purpose, and in doing so he also belittles himself and bears himself the responsibility for it.



My answer:
What things do you mean? I would recommend that you read Psalm 149 and tell us what honour is meant in Psalm 149:9, and given to who for what purpose? Scripture is authority and cannot be ignored!



My answer:
When you speak of your overly kind Master you seem to have quite a different Lord than David had, for he said this about his Lord (Psalm 7:11):



God is angry all the time, for He is a consuming fire!



My answer:
Whom have you served for four decades since you still are so ignorant of the most fundamental truths in Scripture, both of the true gospel (the song of the Lamb) and of the law (the song of Moses)? Let alone the prophecies!

One last question: Do you believe that the true two witnesses of Rev 11:3 should be polite and subservient (humble) to those who propagate false doctrine on earth today?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

The propagation of false doctrine on earth is not something that can be established by your determination. Because, I have not observed any given authority, exampled through any insight, on your part.

You are using examples of God's Word to manipulate any situation that might prove favorable on your behalf. Nevertheless, you take the subject matter out of the way to prove what is not the true example. We are not talking about David's enemies here, but your own self induced foes! So substituting the Word on behalf of yourself in defense of David's claim; is like speaking on behalf of another with no objections from that source, because of his absence! Anyone with any insight could see this strategy is not in defense of the Word, but simply the claim to prove one's inability to project a reasonable argument against a scriptural sound commentary, by other individuals!

In the finally analysis, my friend. I do not see any enemy here on this thread. Only those who desire to express a different opinion then yours. Yet, you classified such as your enemies, equal with the foes David had to contend with. Sorry, I am not buying it. Opinions of others are not foes to the truth, but insights of other possibilities of the mysteries of God's Word not yet discovered!

The times of the numbers are of those effects within those two witnesses, that appeared on that day of Daniel's vision. To know the birth of the day of Enoch, reveals the mysteries of the days spoken. For as it is stated (2Enoch), I died on the same day I was born (paraphrased). Seeing as how Enoch had not yet at that time reached the point of death, it only stands to reason that he is speaking of himself, at a future date, for Enoch has not yet died! So, therefore, that witness, will know of those meanings and the time of those numbers. For the birth and the death of both happenings correspond with the days of that event, the day of the death of the two witnesses. When? On Enoch's birthday (one of the two witnesses). However, this will not cause the celebration of those two deaths, by evil men, but the three and 1/2 days leads up to that celebration, of that only timed year, to line up exactly, with that day of birth! So in the midst of their celebration shall their ascension appear! Then afterwards, comes that 30 days for that evil one who harmed God's servants, to be complete. Then that 45 days of respite before the coming forth of Jesus' 2nd appearing, before the eyes of all. Then shall be the completion of the fruit and the ripeness of the fig thereof.

Enoch is not one of the of the two witnesses of 11.3, nor is Elijah, or Moses. People who believe this false teaching are oblivious of the fact that once a person, also the Old Testament prophets who are included in Heb 11:39-40, have passed into another existence they will no more come back to participate in what happens under the sun. That is clearly said in Eccl 9:5-6.

RockyMtnLady

Enoch is not one of the of the two witnesses of 11.3, nor is Elijah, or Moses. People who believe this false teaching are oblivious of the fact that once a person, also the Old Testament prophets who are included in Heb 11:39-40, have passed into another existence they will no more come back to participate in what happens under the sun. That is clearly said in Eccl 9:5-6.

RockyMtnLady

This thread is clearly all about 2 people seeking a position, even if they have to stomp on Jesus and his followers to get to it and anybody who disagrees with these two people being the two witnesses they will not be tolerated

The real two witnesses themselves could tell you that you were wrong and you would throw rocks at them

Have a good time seeking your positions tell each other we all said "hello", because that is your whole audience

The propagation of false doctrine on earth is not something that can be established by your determination. Because, I have not observed any given authority, exampled through any insight, on your part.

You are using examples of God's Word to manipulate any situation that might prove favorable on your behalf. Nevertheless, you take the subject matter out of the way to prove what is not the true example. We are not talking about David's enemies here, but your own self induced foes! So substituting the Word on behalf of yourself in defense of David's claim; is like speaking on behalf of another with no objections from that source, because of his absence! Anyone with any insight could see this strategy is not in defense of the Word, but simply the claim to prove one's inability to project a reasonable argument against a scriptural sound commentary, by other individuals!

In the finally analysis, my friend. I do not see any enemy here on this thread. Only those who desire to express a different opinion then yours. Yet, you classified such as your enemies, equal with the foes David had to contend with. Sorry, I am not buying it. Opinions of others are not foes to the truth, but insights of other possibilities of the mysteries of God's Word not yet discovered!

The times of the numbers are of those effects within those two witnesses, that appeared on that day of Daniel's vision. To know the birth of the day of Enoch, reveals the mysteries of the days spoken. For as it is stated (2Enoch), I died on the same day I was born (paraphrased). Seeing as how Enoch had not yet at that time reached the point of death, it only stands to reason that he is speaking of himself, at a future date, for Enoch has not yet died! So, therefore, that witness, will know of those meanings and the time of those numbers. For the birth and the death of both happenings correspond with the days of that event, the day of the death of the two witnesses. When? On Enoch's birthday (one of the two witnesses). However, this will not cause the celebration of those two deaths, by evil men, but the three and 1/2 days leads up to that celebration, of that only timed year, to line up exactly, with that day of birth! So in the midst of their celebration shall their ascension appear! Then afterwards, comes that 30 days for that evil one who harmed God's servants, to be complete. Then that 45 days of respite before the coming forth of Jesus' 2nd appearing, before the eyes of all. Then shall be the completion of the fruit and the ripeness of the fig thereof.

amen

Hello Waterman,

I read your opinion on the rapture and the last week of the 70 weeks of Dan 9:24, and I also see that you endorse the rubbish of the Anonymous Coward 22728347, so I will now ask you in sincerity:

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit taught you what you propagate here on GLP? If so, then let me tell you that you are totally wrong on both issues, the rapture and Israel, and therefore ought to be more ears than mouth!!!

If not, then you will be very sorry in the end, for there are seeing people around to refute you in a devastating way, and, in addition, a God Almighty who will punish you for your twistings of Scripture.

If you want to lie then make up your own stories instead of laying your hands on Scripture in order to involve it as though you could do that with falsehood without at the same time calling down the wrath of God upon yourself!

Therefore, stop being stupid, or else, I will fight you and destroy your lies here on GLP in the sight of people, and the shame will then lie upon you for eternal death. It will NOT be forgiven if you go that far!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
The true witness of God

When you become a man you will think differently because right now you are only as a child and can only understand as a child.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Well then,

So you suppose you will survive the Bible's criticism of your false opinion on rapture (which is a fiction because it annuls the bodily resurrection of the last day as taught by Jesus). Why do you fight the true doctrine of Jesus?

Are you also so stupid as to believe that the last week of Daniel 9:24 is still future? I warn you, stop that stupid or else take the defeat of all who propagate fallacies in the front of God's true witnesses.

After that you go to hell, for you provoke God immensely in this time of the last warning, and will not be forgiven if you go on! So, why do you want to be that stupid?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

When you become a man you will think differently because right now you are only as a child and can only understand as a child.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Enoch is not one of the of the two witnesses of 11.3, nor is Elijah, or Moses. People who believe this false teaching are oblivious of the fact that once a person, also the Old Testament prophets who are included in Heb 11:39-40, have passed into another existence they will no more come back to participate in what happens under the sun. That is clearly said in Eccl 9:5-6.

RockyMtnLady