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Message Subject I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!
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Well because when I refute one bullshit post of his, he will just go onto another and I don't like going around in circles with him. It is a futile effort. He likes to because he is an egocentric git who gets off on trying to show how knowledgeable he is on scripture which is quite funny considering his ignorance on biblical matters. And in regards to the luke scripture, how do we know he was not already baptized before he was put up on that crucifix. We don't. Also, the book of Luke was not written by an inspired Apostle and I believe that story is not mentioned in the Apostolic gospels so I would be wary of it. Also, it still does not take away from my earlier point from John from the Messiah saying unless you are baptized with water, you will not enter into the Kingdom of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41811028


"And in regards to the luke scripture, how do we know he was not already baptized before he was put up on that crucifix."

Because I have Faith that everything that was written in Holy Scripture is for a very specific purpose.....inclusions and exclusions. I believe if natural (literal) water baptism is necessary for salvation, then Christ would have said "you must be baptized first" or God would have inspired Luke to write that this man had received natural water baptism earlier in his Life. Instead, Jesus said:

"Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43)

Just my two cents.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


Well in all fairness, that is just your own opinion and does not refute my earlier points. And Christ did say we must be baptized with water. Does it matter if we are baptized with water first or spirit first? No, just that we are baptized with both water and spirit if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. If you reject this and deny it, you are calling the Messiah a liar.

“There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again” (John 3:1-7).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41811028


Christ did NEVER say we must be BAPTIZED with water, as you claim, but that we must be BORN of water, as can be seen in John 3:5:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

What water Christ meant, is shown in Eph 5:26:

(..) to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
 Quoting: The Bible


The meaning of the original Greek text is "through the water that is in the word". This does not mean literal water, for it is not needed, as Paul the apostle also demonstrated in 1 Co 1:17:

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
 Quoting: The Bible


In the time period of the everlasting gospel there is no longer any true baptism with water, for baptism is now spiritual, as we can see from the following words: a sea of glass like unto crystal, in Rev 4:6:


And you expose yourself as a member of Mystery Babylon by posting the words of a false prophet.

Matthew 3:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal
 Quoting: The Bible


Your water baptism is now out of date, for the spiritual baptism has taken its place.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: The Bible


"Christ did NEVER say we must be BAPTIZED with water, as you claim, but that we must be BORN of water, as can be seen in John 3:5:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

They mean the same thing you dishonest weasel.

And I think it's funny and stupid of you to call Saul an Apostle, funny, he isn't mentioned as being one the 12 Apostles and how could he when he never even met Yeshua. He was a disciple and a wicked one at that.

"This does not mean literal water, for it is not needed, as Paul the apostle also demonstrated in 1 Co 1:17:

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
 Quoting: The Bible
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lol how does that prove that literal water is not needed for water baptism. What a weak and idiotic argument.


"In the time period of the everlasting gospel there is no longer any true baptism with water, for baptism is now spiritual, as we can see from the following words: a sea of glass like unto crystal, in Rev 4:6:"

I am glad you have made your views clear for us again. And that is absurd of you to suggest that verse from revelation has anything to do with water baptism. You have strange logic.
 
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