I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

God can not fail. His word will not come back to him void. But will bring about what he says.

Obviously, I don't see what that has to do with our discussion.

So no! Was Enoch an Israelite? Abraham? Noah? All of them lived before Jacob and his twelve sons. Abraham was specifically called a prophet. The first use of the term in the bible.



You are certainly lost. Lost in the labyrinth of you imagination. Proof is you say God and never Jesus. Jesus is the Word of God there is no other way to the Father except through him. The two witnesses will be witnesses of the Good News of the coming if the kingdom of God and his Christ and of the mystery of God in Christ.

Jesus came to create a new people. The New Creation. The Born Again The Sons of God. A Peculiar People. A Royal Priesthood.

The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Who were born, not of blood (physical sperm), nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

A true Israelite is one inwardly and spiritually. The new circumcision is one of the heart and not the flesh. Jesus said that the flesh profits nothing. Have you forgotten that?

I think you have forgotten not only that but has also forgotten Jesus in your search for exaltation of the "Israelite" flesh.

Do you hear the word of God speaking to you?

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Did you receive him? Is he your lord? Have you been born again? And if so then you know the answer to your own question. How the two "can descend from a heathen people?" If not then....not.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.




(Just in case you didn't get it the first time.)

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus..

You really don't know the purposes of God in Christ do you? Don't you see that you are deceived by the devil and you partake of his sin? It is pride. God resists the proud. You are proud of your lineage and call other men heathen which means unbelieving. So are you saying that only those of Europeans descent can believe in Christ? Or that other believers that are not of European descent are second class citizens in the kingdom of God? Have you not heard that no flesh shall boast in the presence of God?



I could say the same about you.



Double fail! The two comes with specific sign and wonders of Moses and Elijah as their credentials. They don't need the testimony of the flesh and physical lineage. For the truth is spiritual. God is spirit and desires those that worship him in spirit and truth. Because they reject the true purposes of God. Many will reject the two witnesses and even try to kill them. Because they come with a message that many like you do not want to hear. That your "special" flesh profits you nothing. Your "greatness" is a shell game and about to be washed away in the great tribulation. Your deception was created by the devil so that you will take your eyes off Christ to your own destruction.

Satan has the power to give to whom he may the kingdoms of the earth. He also can inspire and know technology. If these are your boasts than you are lost to Christ. There is a spiritual world coming that is greater than tech and science. The two witnesses will be living proof of that and that will be apart of their witness. If your boast is in Christ and your love for others I applaud you. The two witnesses come in sackcloth mourning for the world. They will not take delight in the tribulation that has come upon the world.

And just the opposite if what you say, God will not cater to the ego of "his people." I guarantee that the two witnesses need not be European but Christians only and because it states in Rev:11 that their lord is Christ we know they will be Christians.. And if Christians they need not be European also for their witness is their being complete in Christ. You have used only your speculation. No where have you honored the word of God? What does the word of God says about how God chooses?

27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29so that no man may boast before God.

God doesn't care how great you Europeans think you are. Remember Jesus says that flesh profits nothing. Is he wrong? You "Israelites" that are no Israelites are not worthy to untie Jesus Christ's sandals. God doesn't need the testimony of the flesh to achieve his purposes. He can raise up stones as children of Abraham. How much more can he create a peculiar people to himself through the blood of the lamb of God? Through his blood we become of his family and of his blood. That is the plan of God. Now if the bible is true and....

11And they overcame him (the Devil) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Then do we need the inferior blood of Jacob/Israel? Christ is greater and we are complete in him. You can not testify of the complete salvation through the blood of the Son of God and his cross and then testify of the blood of a mere man. Will you be willing to die lifting up the name of Jacob/Israel? Or will you be willing to die lifting up the name of Jesus Christ? One is greater than the other. You can not serve two masters. The two witnesses will preach Christ to the Jews and the Moslems and even the whole world. And because of this they will be hated. Because they preach the truth and not honor the traditions of man.

Yes you are right. You can not see God doing that and that is your problem.



In light of all I have said you reveal yourself and your error from your own mouth.



Having built on a wrong foundation from the beginning the rest of your speculation is also wrong



Why do you hide your intent? Be honest "the 'lost' tribe of Israel" is a code word for European Caucasian heritage. Your theology is simply "Christian" racism.

I see a pattern here. Do you have problems with your eyes?

You really don't know the purposes of God in Christ do you? Don't you see that you are deceived by the devil and you partake of his sin? It is pride. God resists the proud. You are proud of your lineage and call other men heathen which means unbelieving. So are you saying that only those of Europeans descent can believe in Christ? Or that other believers that are not of European descent are second class citizens in the kingdom of God? Have you not heard that no flesh shall boast in the presence of God?



I could say the same about you.



Double fail! The two comes with specific sign and wonders of Moses and Elijah as their credentials. They don't need the testimony of the flesh and physical lineage. For the truth is spiritual. God is spirit and desires those that worship him in spirit and truth. Because they reject the true purposes of God. Many will reject the two witnesses and even try to kill them. Because they come with a message that many like you do not want to hear. That your "special" flesh profits you nothing. Your "greatness" is a shell game and about to be washed away in the great tribulation. Your deception was created by the devil so that you will take your eyes off Christ to your own destruction.

Satan has the power to give to whom he may the kingdoms of the earth. He also can inspire and know technology. If these are your boasts than you are lost to Christ. There is a spiritual world coming that is greater than tech and science. The two witnesses will be living proof of that and that will be apart of their witness. If your boast is in Christ and your love for others I applaud you. The two witnesses come in sackcloth mourning for the world. They will not take delight in the tribulation that has come upon the world.

And just the opposite if what you say, God will not cater to the ego of "his people." I guarantee that the two witnesses need not be European but Christians only and because it states in Rev:11 that their lord is Christ we know they will be Christians.. And if Christians they need not be European also for their witness is their being complete in Christ. You have used only your speculation. No where have you honored the word of God? What does the word of God says about how God chooses?

27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29so that no man may boast before God.

God doesn't care how great you Europeans think you are. Remember Jesus says that flesh profits nothing. Is he wrong? You "Israelites" that are no Israelites are not worthy to untie Jesus Christ's sandals. God doesn't need the testimony of the flesh to achieve his purposes. He can raise up stones as children of Abraham. How much more can he create a peculiar people to himself through the blood of the lamb of God? Through his blood we become of his family and of his blood. That is the plan of God. Now if the bible is true and....

11And they overcame him (the Devil) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Then do we need the inferior blood of Jacob/Israel? Christ is greater and we are complete in him. You can not testify of the complete salvation through the blood of the Son of God and his cross and then testify of the blood of a mere man. Will you be willing to die lifting up the name of Jacob/Israel? Or will you be willing to die lifting up the name of Jesus Christ? One is greater than the other. You can not serve two masters. The two witnesses will preach Christ to the Jews and the Moslems and even the whole world. And because of this they will be hated. Because they preach the truth and not honor the traditions of man.

Yes you are right. You can not see God doing that and that is your problem.



In light of all I have said you reveal yourself and your error from your own mouth.



Having built on a wrong foundation from the beginning the rest of your speculation is also wrong



Why do you hide your intent? Be honest "the 'lost' tribe of Israel" is a code word for European Caucasian heritage. Your theology is simply "Christian" racism.


I am not going to waste my time and energy responding to that drivel. I didn't even read it all. I have my points clear in my other posts and I back them up biblically. Also, for you to use the false prophet Saul to back up your arguments really says a lot about you, mainly that you are a lawless blind apostate entrenched in Mystery Babylon. Hardly born-again of the spirit above and hardly one of the elect. Just another blind goat. The bible describes the two witnesses as Christians with an Israelite heritage(Olive trees and Candlesticks) and that other idiot from norway is disqualified from being one as he is from the heathen sammi as would you since you are from the heathen thai people. I will pick one comment from that ginormous mess of yours,

"Why do you hide your intent? Be honest "the 'lost' tribe of Israel" is a code word for European Caucasian heritage. Your theology is simply "Christian" racism."

What a clown you are.

Christian racism? Hahahahahahahaha, that was a good one, thanks for that laugh. Yes, that is what I mean and many of the Caucasian nations of the west make up these 'lost' tribes of Israel.

The 144,000 will only come from the tribes of Israel! Does that offend you? lol good. Clowns like you who cry racism at the Truth deserve it. We are God's people, that verse refers to us alone,


For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2

Yeshua the Messiah's main mission was for us,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:24

Shove your racism shite!!!

I don't need lectures of basic things from you. I know all these things, I don't get why you feel the need to tell me things which have no relevance to our discussions or are you just trying to sound knowledgeable? Idiot.

And I wasn't trying to hide anything. I have spoken that Truth on this thread many times and made many threads on it on GLP for that is the will of the Father, that I help wake up his lost sheep to their wonderful heritage. Don't be envious. Envy is a sin. And for you to accuse me of racism is truly absurd and the last option of a desperate person. I bet you thought that would make me worry or something, no I am not one of those white guilt imbeciles, I laugh at you idiots and will always expose your nonsense. I am proud of my heritage and don't give a shit if it offends you or anyone else. We are Israelites, God's true people while you two come from heathens.

Be happy with your crumbs thai.

Matthew 15:21-28
"Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, 'Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.' But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, 'Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.' But He answered and said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, 'Lord, help me!' And He answered and said, 'It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.' But she said, 'Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus said to her, 'O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.' And her daughter was healed at once."

The word of God rebuke this thai false teacher.

Revelation 7:3-8

King James Version (KJV)

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

But yet you mention that pauline nonsense about there being no jew or gentile in Christ. You don't know the true Gospel/Way if you follow the words of that swine. He contradicts the Messiah and the inspired Apostles yet you still follow his lies.

[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

Says a lot about you.

Also, we hold the eternal priesthood, the sons of Aaron from the House of Israel.

And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. Exodus 29:9

So don't ever bear false witness against me. What I speak is the biblical Truth, you are the one who is blind and deceived.

Is there anything y'all agree on, really?

Aren't the 2 suppose to be bringing the glory to God. Even if y'all are not the 2 witnesses you are brothers (or sister's) . Our jobs are to preach the gospel and try to bring the lost home. How are y'all doing that bickering like toddlers.

As far as I can see, this house is devided. There is no unity of love among y'all. How about instead of worrying who the 2 are (which it isn't quite time now anyway) get out there and save some souls. Do the good works.

How about start at what y'all agree on and move forward. If its not a principal of salvation drop it. ( because that is the only thing worthy of 500 pages of arguing. Not this ego stroking bull) No man will know everything, We only know what we know through the spirit. Spiritual things cannot be obtained through mans knowledge alone.

Maybe God has given different messages to y'all. Test it against the scriptures and prayer. Don't let your ego or jealousy keep you from hearing the word.

Peace and love to y'all. Feel free to rain your hate down on me., but don't be surprised when I don't respond.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This is not Saul but John who says .......

9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

God is spirit and truth. Flesh is not spirit or truth. God wants worshipers in spirit and in truth. Spiritual Israelites. The flesh profits nothing.

God is building his true spiritual temple not made with bricks but living stones.

This is not Saul but Jesus Christ who says......

New International Version (©2011)
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

What part of "the flesh counts for nothing" that you don't understand?



You are not the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You are not an Israelite because you are of European or Caucasian descent. That is a fantasy.

Jesus was referring to the physical Jews of his time. He did not preach to the Gentiles. (He sent the Apostles to do that after Pentecost.) He converted those of physical Jewish descent because they were lost and far from God in all their Jewishness. Just as you are lost in all of your Israelite fantasies. They needed to be born again. And that latter descent is superior than the former descent. As much as the God man Jesus Christ is superior to the mere man Jacob/Israel.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Class dismiss.

I disagree. Every word of God is important.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"

There are some people here that need to be saved. Some that need to hear the word of God and be edified. If a person is led to preach to them then they should. I don't see you lifting up or elucidating on name of Jesus or preaching the cross of Christ with any effect. People perish through a lack of knowledge. What I sense is you wanting peace at the cost of truth and that you love speaking platitudes. You seem to have a good heart and good intentions. But the way to hell is paved with such. It is later than you think. You probably are so nonchalant because you believe in the rapture.Do you? Won't you be surprised when that doesn't happen! Will you lose faith?

Jesus asked a cryptic question. "However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" Many of the Lukewarm will fall away and take the mark of the beast of Islam after Wormwood comes and destroys a third of the earth including America.. Americans love the idea of the rapture more than they love Jesus and being conformed into his image through the tribulations of this world.

I don't think anyone has been here for all 500 pages. But I see that God can use this thread as any other thread. Some people think they are the two witnesses here. A wise word might help them. For faith come from hearing and hearing by the word of God. How can they hear without a preacher? How can he preach the truth unless he is sent?

Are you sent?

(Maybe you have already spoken your two bits.) But if you are sent then speak as an oracle of God. Not all here are of the Assembly of God but some are of the Synagogue of Satan.



Who are you to say what I a man knows or don't know?



And can not the Spirit of Truth lead us to all truth? You principle is not correct. Even if few achieve the higher realms of truth. It still contradicts the word of God. I guess that's why there are only two witnesses and Jesus asks if faith will be on the earth because of Christians that think like you.

Be it unto you as you believe. Is another principle have you heard of it? I see it at work in you. Because you deny the truth.....

Mark 9:23 "'If you can'?" said Jesus. "Everything is possible for one who believes."

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say unto this mountain, Remove from here to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

You limit God.

New International Version (©2011)
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.



Amen. Here we are in accord.

Now about love..... Because I know you think I have been too hard on you and your lukewarmness. And maybe i have offended your ideas of lovey dovey Christianity. Yet you know I speak the truth. And if I do not speak the truth than please feel free to correct me.

The two witnesses will offend many lovey dovey Christians also because they partake of the lion's mane. This time Jesus does not come as a Lamb to the slaughter. But as the Conquering Lion of Judah.

I for one is not saying I am one of the two. But I anticipate their ministry. And look forward to it. I am fascinated by them.

Why will they have such severe powers?

1) As a specific means of communicating the sovereignty of Jesus Christ to those who, for certain reasons, had previously rejected this, and therefore still find themselves awaiting the imminent appearance of two national redemptive figures, one like Elijah and the other like Moses. (ie. the Jews and especially those in Israel. But also Moslems who are anti-Christ and consider preaching Jesus as the Son Of God blasphemy worthy of death. The Jews are similar in their opposition to the Gospel.)

2) As a necessary force for challenging attitudes that are intensely resistant and hostile to the proclamation of the Christian message, and in these circumstances to deter physical attacks against the two witnesses (Rev 11,5).

3) As a way of combating complacency and disbelief, and inspiring the fear of God (cf. 14,7).

4) As a reflection of the urgency and gravity of the message of the two witnesses.

[link to www.newtorah.org]

This is tough love. Remember love will not always be to the letter of 1 Corinthian 13. Because the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. And where the Spirit of God is there is liberty. So you may not recognize them looking for lovey dovey Christianity.

Look at how many views this thread has. Seeds are planted and God gives the increase.

Glory to God.

As for the rapture. This will probably be the best rapture you Christians in America will get. The mercy of a quick death at the Wormwood Event.

Here is link about what is coming.

[link to www.be-ready.org]

1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

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I could be one of the witnesses. I was recently involved in a US military operation where I was illegally arrested 1,290 days from my 30th birthday. I was released from my illegal incarceration exactly 1,335 days from my 30th birthday. This 45 day period was between March 5th, 2013 through April 19th, 2013. This arrest was just one example of truth being thrown to the ground. Jesus began his ministry when he was 30 and I quite my own job and became self-employed at 30. The story of what really happened is far beyond the scope of this forum, but I'm logically convinced we are in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.
Obama visited Israel between this time period.
I believe I have been a receiver of some of the spiritual gifts and the Lord has given me a strong ministry. I'm the only person I know of in history that has a true, possible fulfillment of the Prophesies in Daniel 12:11-12.
The day I was released in Florida an inmate came up to me and asked me if I had ever read Daniel chapter 12. I said it's been awhile. He asked me the square root of 12. I replied 144. He said look at chapter 12 verse 12. Once I read it. He adamantly pointed at the scripture and said there you go, you have your answer. It was a week later that I added the dates and realized it went back to my 30th birthday.
I was born August 22nd, 1979.
Jesus is Lord. The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man get's to the father except through Him.
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Oh man, you like the sound of your own voice, don't you...

As clearly stated above, it is not up to you to pass judgement on people. God shall punish them.
So having you passing judgement and close minded opinion about other people's work is not only very arrogant but also not constructive at all. Would you say that you know God's plan for each and everyone of us? Or perhaps you consider yourself equal to Elijah? In which case I would recommend you start seeing a specialist saspo.

I am not here to say who's right or wrong, just that a minimum of courtesy and open debate is usually more pleasant and constructive for everyone, regardless of your / their opinion or the fact that they participate to the debate or only read those lines.

The witnesses will not have a website? You seem to be very sure about something nobody can tell. What tells you that prior to their revelation they wouldn't have been involved in causes for which they would have published articles or blogs? Again, you can't tell.

Oh man, you like the sound of your own voice, don't you...

As stated above, it is not up to you to pass judgement on people. God shall punish them.
So having you passing judgement and close minded opinion about other people's work is not only very arrogant but also not constructive at all. Would you say that you know God's plan for each and everyone of us? Or perhaps you consider yourself equal to Elijah? In which case I would recommend you start seeing a specialist saspo.

I am not here to say who's right or wrong, just that a minimum of courtesy and debate is usually more pleasant for everyone, either if the persons participate to the debate or simply read those lines.

The witnesses will not have a website huh? You seem to be very sure about something nobody can tell. What if prior to their revelation, the witnesses have been involved in some causes that would have made them write blogs or even create a website? Again, you cannot tell.

Here is a little video I would like to share with you all.
Enjoy!

[link to www.youtube.com]

Have you heard of the parable of the Israelite and the Thai heathen ?

To some who were confident of their own heritage and looked down on everyone else, St. Golliwog spoke this parable. Two men went up to the church to pray, one an Israelite from the lost tribe of Israel and the other a Thai heathen .

The Israelite stood by himself and poked out his chest and raised his nose high in the air and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people— and especially not like the Thai heathen next to me. I am proud of my heritage and I therefore have no white guilt.'

But the Thai Heathen stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘Lord Jesus. Christ Son of God have mercy on me, a sinner.’

St. Golliwog asked, "Who do you think went home justified?"

"I tell you that the Thai Heathen rather than the Israelite from the lost tribe of Israel, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

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Amen.

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Thank you Bro.
I very much enjoy reading your interventions on this thread.
One Love.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



There is no such thing as spiritual Israel, only physical Israel. That is why the name of the 12 tribes of Israel are mentioned you stupid person. You have no portion in the House of Israel or the House of Judah. You are not a part of God's true people.

Revelation 7:3-8

King James Version (KJV)

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Where does it say anything about the word spiritual there? It doesn't so stop twisting the word of God.

And yes it does offend you so stop lying. Why accuse me of racism if it didn't offend you? Repent liar! The only fail here is you.

"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."


Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? I reject that false prophets words so why do you still use them to make your argument. He was not one of the 12 inspired Apostles, therefore he had zero Authority.


"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That still does not negate my earlier point as per the Messiahs own words. Fail.


9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

That referred to the House of Judah, they rejected him. The House of Israel accepted him. Fail.

"God is spirit and truth. Flesh is not spirit or truth. God wants worshipers in spirit and in truth. Spiritual Israelites. The flesh profits nothing.

God is building his true spiritual temple not made with bricks but living stones.

This is not Saul but Jesus Christ who says......

New International Version (©2011)
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

What part of "the flesh counts for nothing" that you don't understand?"

Pauline nonsense. All of it. Fail.


"You are not the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You are not an Israelite because you are of European or Caucasian descent. That is a fantasy."

Yes I am. I am a Levite and Ireland makes up the tribe of Dan.

It's even in our own annals,

Thread: The book of Tephi.

Fail.

[link to stevenmcollins.com]

It is backed up historically and factually in this source,

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
book cover Back "In Print" as an e-book!

Fail.


"Jesus was referring to the physical Jews of his time. He did not preach to the Gentiles. (He sent the Apostles to do that after Pentecost.) He converted those of physical Jewish descent because they were lost and far from God in all their Jewishness. Just as you are lost in all of your Israelite fantasies. They needed to be born again. And that latter descent is superior than the former descent. As much as the God man Jesus Christ is superior to the mere man Jacob/Israel."

How can that be when they were the House of Judah, NOT the House of Israel, NOT the lost sheep of Israel. You are ignorant of scripture so why do you speak like you understand it? You do not. The word of God has made the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since the civil war in King Solomons time but I wouldn't expect a blind non-elect goat from Mystery Babylon to get that. He sent his Apostles to my ancestors,

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-6


"Class dismiss."

You are a false teacher who is blinded by Mystery Babylon, who espouses the words of false prophets to make his arguments,

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: Revelation 2:2

and is offended by us being God's people whom he made a special Covenant with and chose us out of all the peoples of the Earth.

The soon coming Kingdom of God is even called the New Jerusalem and the word says this,

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28

Kinda refutes all you Pauline drivel, no? lol fail.

How could I when you just made it up? And it is completely retarded by the way. lol

One, there is a difference between being proud in oneself and being proud/bold in the Lord.

Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest. Joshua 1:9

And you do not imitate the thai person in your stupid little story so you fail big time. Nowhere in this thread did you admit to being a sinner before you wrote your ridiculous story and I have many times admitted I am sinner on this site so again, you fail terribly. You bear false witness against me, your guilt be upon your own head. You defend false prophets and false teachers on this thread and in the bible, it says a lot about you. I seem to have offended your EGO, good I am glad. I will continue to expose you worms.

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? By me being on this thread and expressing my opinion just like you have? Hypocrite. No, my pleasure is in exposing these deceivers/false teachers/false prophets and I will continue to do so as I am called to do. Yes it is up to me to pass judgement,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Also,

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

We sin if we do not rebuke sinners, see how clueless you are, you've got it backwards. Fail.


re·buke
/riˈbyo͞ok/
Verb
Express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions.
Noun
An expression of sharp disapproval or criticism.
Synonyms
verb. reprove - reprimand - reprehend - scold - upbraid - chide
noun. reprimand - reproof - reproach - reprehension

You do not understand why I posted the Elijah comment because you are ignorant of the word of God,

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17

"I am not here to say who's right or wrong,"

Are you serious? That is exactly what you have done here. Hypocrite.


"I am not here to say who's right or wrong, just that a minimum of courtesy and open debate is usually more pleasant and constructive for everyone, regardless of your / their opinion or the fact that they participate to the debate or only read those lines."

What part of rebuke do you not get?


"The witnesses will not have a website? You seem to be very sure about something nobody can tell. What tells you that prior to their revelation they wouldn't have been involved in causes for which they would have published articles or blogs? Again, you can't tell."

Yes, God will keep the real two witnesses in hiding until his appointed time to set them on the World, he would not have them on silly websites. That is absurd of you to even suggest.

First I consider the rapture a doctrine on salvation. Why, because it leads to false hope and then a seed of doubt. I don't know why I know this but God has led me to this truth.

Right now I am in my re-education through the Holy Spirit. I came here to talk to like minded people. People who God has shown the truth to. I cant talk to my family about it. Why because they cant see it. Honestly they cant. Go ahead show someone Jer. 10, go ahead and see if 1+1= 2 or 3 in their eyes. I am not a Christian that needs the cotton candy version of the scriptures. Actually all they do is anger me, why because we are in Babylon now. And that cotton candy is a way to pacify us to thinking its all ok. But don't worry if its not because God gave us an easy way out..pre-trib rapture. I'm angry because I have been lied to and someone has been trying to keep me from my creator. To keep me from being who I was created to be.

Now he led me to you guys, I don't know why. I been visiting this thread for a couple of years. All I have seen over the years is a bunch of fighting and sometimes straight up hate. Which is why I asked what you people agree upon. So let me ask a couple of questions. (Just yes or no pls)

1.) Pre trib rapture
2.) Mid trib rapture
3.) Post trib rapture
4.) When you die do you automatically go straight to heaven or hell
5.) Holy trinity

That is all I am asking, why because these answers have been revealed to me through God. This way I know whether I'm dealing with a false teacher or not. I'm not here to argue about the two witnesses ...that will reveal itself in time...

Lots of love and peace to y'all

I know the truth of God hurts you. It is hard kicking against the pricks.



But not with the whole bible. You are a deceitful worker. You do not accept the full counsel of God.



Here you admit your deceit. You pick and choose what you believe from the bible. You reject Saul/Paul's writings and therefore most of the New Testament. because Paul contradicts your fantasy of Irish "Israelite" heritage as being important. You live in a dreamworld of your own making. And you call that being biblical.



You reveal the fruit of your fantasies from your own mouth. Hatred of others and feeling entitled and naturally better than. In this you are not like Christ.

Saul/Paul (who you considers a false prophet) he writes.....

1Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

Paul is inconvenient to your "theology" and thus must be dismissed with.

Saul/Paul continues with a moving description of Jesus and an appeal.

5In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Again which is better to be Christ-like or Jacob-like. Who is greater? And if you are Christ-like and have his true spiritual substance do you need to be a descendant from Jacob also? No.

Did not Jesus forthrightly say....

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Therefore spiritually you and your kind are disqualified from being the 144000 for you do not "follow the Lamb wherever he goes." For you are not like him nor desire to be like him.

You can not sing a new song. But only an old song of pride, competition, entitlement and hate based on supposedly your superior European heritage. This is not of the kingdom of God that comes and that the Two Witnesses herald. Hence, you and your kind are also disqualified from being the Two Witnesses. (You see what happens when you have confidence in the flesh?)

You must piece meal the bible and pick and choose to protect your warped fantasies. You can not rightly divide the word of God because that would cause you to repent. So you must be deceitful deceiving others and yourselves. This is not of God. But of the father of lies.

You must see Paul as a false prophet because you have chosen to deny and distort the truth of Christ for vain conceit.

Ok see my last post and the YouTube video. I find her schedule compelling. It makes perfect sense to me. So I guess I am a last trump believer. We will be "raptured" at the last trump and that seems to come at the end of a series of events that is pretty clear. I can't give you a simple pre or mid or post tribulation answer. Except this.

The rapture will not be pre-trib. The church will have to go through something.


About heaven or hell straight after death? I don't know and proabaly because i never cared enough about the question to inquire. I still don't. The holy trinity? Some things are mysteries to me. If you have revelation I am willing to hear it.

Also for the record I don't have any connection to tic toc ministries or Monica Dennington. I do believe that she is a spiritual gift to world. And she rightly divides the word of God like few others. I will start donating to her ministery. That is how much I like her teaching.

I will share a site with you. It is..... [link to www.be-ready.org]

It is a rather old and shabby website with a lot of spiritual gold especially about being ready for the second coming. Its webmaster is a Mr. William D. Brehm. A bible class teacher in NYC.

I hope my posts blesses you.

Has anyone noticed that when the light comes the darkness scatters?

Last Edited by Thaumaturgus on 07/06/2013 01:02 AM

Here is another video on the rapture by Tic Toc. In addition there is good info on the Two Witnesses and their deaths in the sequence of events leading up to the rapture.



Last Edited by Thaumaturgus on 07/06/2013 01:41 AM

I have read and found that both the sixth seal and the seventh seal cover 1260 years. Since the great tribulation is part of the sounding of the sixth trumpet it is without doubt impossible that we are now living in the time of the seventh trumpet.

If we were now living in the time of the seventh trumpet the great tribulation, therefore, would have already beena historical fact.

The doctrine of pre-, mid-, and post-trib doctrines are all just fallacies and cannot be shown to be sound doctrine!

There is just one bodily resurrection, and it will take place on the very last day of this earth. That is what Jesus teaches, so why believe in fallacies which contradict our Lord?

Blockhead