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Pinkie
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1/30/2008 11:59 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

His call sign (pilot nickname)is Playboy. He went my to place of work (Gov. Contractor for fighter flight training for allied countries) and I had to have a Flight Jacket ready for him with a navy wings patch and his call sign patch attached to the jacket, which as I mentioned is Playboy. Everyone loved him at work! You know, good ole boy stuff.
Anonymous Coward
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1/31/2008 12:30 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

this is a great thread

keep it coming
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1/31/2008 12:52 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

thanks for the info.
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Anonymous Coward
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1/31/2008 11:21 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities.
McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least nine trips on Keating's airplanes, and three of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

Real John McCain

"Nhan Dan today published answers to questions by one of its correspondents made by a U.S. air pirate detained in North Vietnam. "He is Lt. John Sidney McCain . . ." Hanoi VNA International Service in French - November 9, 1967
"To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: 'My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots which were sustained by this aircraft carrier due to its raids over North Vietnam territory and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany . . . upon arrival near the target, our formation, with six bombers, would mount the attack according to the following order: I would be number three, and the chief of the formation, number one. Each pilot would have to approach the target from a different direction, the choice of which would be left to him.'" A November 9, 1967 declassified Department of Defense document

"A meeting which will leave its mark on my life: My meeting with John Sidney McCain was certainly one of those meetings which will affect me most profoundly for the rest of my life. I had asked the North Vietnamese authorities to allow me to personally interrogate an American prisoner. They authorized me to do so. When night fell, they took me--without any precautions or mystery--to a hospital near the Gia Lam Airport reserved for the military. (Passage omitted) The officer who receives me begins: I ask you not to ask any questions of political nature. If this man replies in a way unfavorable to us, they will not hesitate to speak of "brainwashing" and conclude that we threatened him. (Passage omitted) "This John Sidney McCain is not an ordinary prisoner. His father is none other than Admiral Edmond John McCain, commander in chief of U.S. Naval forces in Europe." Written by "prominent" French television reporter Francois Chalais - January 1968

"Reds Say PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner." Saigon-UPI, June 4, 1969

"The English-Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention." The Washington Post - June 5, 1969
Anonymous Coward
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2/1/2008 11:40 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

don't forget his involvement in the Savings and Loan scandal and rape, he was one of the "Keating Five"
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 12:19 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

McCain is a cockface lying sack of shit scumbag.
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 6:56 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

Yes, ONE of the Keating Five. The other four were democrats...
stl lunatik
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2/2/2008 7:01 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

If John McCain wanted to do you think he could have gotten out of having to serve his country?

I think so.
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 8:39 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

bump
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 8:45 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

McCain is a cockface lying sack of shit scumbag.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 217758

1rof1
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 8:46 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a clear violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 210934
Anonymous Coward
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2/2/2008 9:13 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

Its looks like to me he has alot of bad luck,except with the
ladies.
a passing cloud
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2/2/2008 10:09 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

john mccain is a sacred cow, even more so than rudy giuliani or bush, who apparently were the only aspiring presidential candidates on 9/11 who displayed any courage or mettle. john mccain, you see, is a WAR HERO, a man who has [by implication] EARNED the right to be a overdriven maggot brain. hold thy tongue, some will say; do not even think of critisizing the guy.

doesn't anyone else see the need for a radical departure from what we've got in washington now? ron paul is the only chance of us getting that. on the other hand john mccain is perhaps the worst choice we have, a man who adds mental instability and seething fanaticism to the mix.

for crying out loud DO WE NEED THAT???!!!
Anonymous Coward
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2/3/2008 10:06 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

bump for no more fucked up old white men in the white house
Anonymous Coward
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2/4/2008 2:20 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

angryface McCain will represent Israel, just like we tell him to, won't he?
Anonymous Coward
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2/4/2008 7:21 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

McCain was CLEARED of any criminal charges related to the Keating Five. The papers just decided to print that little fact on page 28 so no one got to hear that bit of news. Don't you think his present competitors would have brought that up if it was a charge that could "stick" and damage him. Y'all will believe anything. Try a little research.
Anonymous Coward
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2/4/2008 12:13 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

John McCain:Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups . . .

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008

John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever" who resented authority, Cadet McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a clear violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona's First Congressional District in 1982. McCain won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 363570

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Russell.J.Coller.Jr Wash, DC.
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2/4/2008 12:20 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

How much shall the permanent government ask from certain people? Senator McCain... not one of the light-in-the-loafers crew, apperently was asked just about everything. The North Vietnamese Communist Central Committee members, when sensing LBJ and RMN were, umm... less than goal oriented, knew testosterone. The Arabs, the Persian (speakers), the Pashtun, the Punjabis & various & sundry other dress-wearing, hand-holders will know. F.e.a.r. The United States Naval Academy, 21412 has numerous Playdudes.

We are coming in Thunder and Earthquake, Like a Jove.

And as Seinfeld said about the love that dare not speak its name: 'not that there's anything wrong with that....' (it just won't shut the heck up).

-Russ

Russell J Coller Jr russell.j.coller@verizon.com
Anonymous Coward
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2/4/2008 12:45 PM
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This really needs to be pinned.

People need to know who John McCain really is. You don't hear this stuff on the 6:00 news or the campaign trail.
stl lunatik
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2/4/2008 12:53 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

If McCain was so priviliged couldnt he have used his dads influence and gotten out of having to serve in Vietnam?

I also read that the North Vietnamies (or however you spell it) wanted to release him but McCain refused (he didnt want special treatment) and thus suffered even more torturous beatings because he didnt want special treatment or to leave his comrades behind.

Hows that for character?

He may not be a saint.

He may have his drawbacks.

He he also has his good points too.
Russell.J.Coller.Jr
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2/4/2008 12:59 PM
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This really needs to be pinged.

People need to know who John McCain really is. You don't hear this stuff on the 6:00 news or the campaign trail.
 Quoting: Anymoose Covad 271412




The truth shall be known and it will set you free, even as the concierge in the Hanoi Hilton is less-than snappy with the sweet sweet smell of beer and ovulating ladies.


She (Cindy) is picking out drapes, my man.

She will do her own hiring/'counselling' of interns, thank you very much... she won't be out-witted, by Gomer Pyle from Hope. (either of them.)




"... and when He came to the house, there was a loud din, and they laughed him to scorn, and He went in and said: 'the maid is not dead, but sleepeth, and He took her by the hand and the maid arose..."
-some scribbler Matthew, from a while ago.


Love is a feeling, a beautiful ceiling, the smell of Grass, just makes me pass...
into a dream.
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Anonymous Coward
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2/5/2008 12:49 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

This really needs to be pinned.

People need to know who John McCain really is. You don't hear this stuff on the 6:00 news or the campaign trail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 271412

One more reminder for super-tuesday.
Bill
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3/4/2008 3:39 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

I guess certain things are easier to justify (John McCain lost 5 jets) when a bunch of idiots get together who haven’t got the foggiest idea what their talking about. It’s scary to think of the caliber candidate you will support – likely as pathetic as Bill Clinton. Good luck with that.
Anonymous Coward
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3/4/2008 7:32 PM
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From one who knows--

[link to www.modernconservative.com]
Anonymous Coward
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3/4/2008 8:31 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

and this loser is going to be running the country? God help us.
Anonymous Coward
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3/4/2008 8:48 PM
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This "loser" has survived more than you probably ever will in your life time. He has grit and maybe, just maybe, he survived for the very reason that our country needs him at this point in time.
Anonymous Coward
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3/4/2008 9:02 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

This "loser" has survived more than you probably ever will in your life time. He has grit and maybe, just maybe, he survived for the very reason that our country needs him at this point in time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 269684


He will surely finish the job Bush started.....destroying the United States of America.
Mike
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3/5/2008 11:52 AM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

Did mister Osama oh im sorry Obama serve? How about Mrs. Clinton? I didn't think so. Not to say he is the best man for the job but he is the best out of these 3 for damn sure. To run a military like operation you need a military background (no i did not serve). I have looked hard at all 3 of them. Osama preaches CHANGE CHANGE but never really says what he is going to do. Hillary well her last name is Clinton thats it and i think that is the only reason she is where she is now. Talk about sex scandals look at Mr. Clinton but than again everyone says well he is only human and it really isn't that much of a big deal.

In other words:

Obama=black=he needs more of a chance because he is black

Clinton=woman=her husband did a great job so let her do it and she is a woman

Both equal history in the making

Mcain=white=the norm with a background of some bad stuff when he was YOUNG..

nobody wants the norm anymore we need to be history makers!!


I see it as we ALL do things we wish we wouldn't have done when we were younger. Some worse than others, im sure if you dig on google you will find equal remarks on Obama and Clinton. But who am i other than a single vote for the person i feel best fits the job.

No matter who wins this it WILL be better than our current President and things will change for the better in this country!
blackcat66
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3/5/2008 12:46 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

No matter who wins this it WILL be better than our current President and things will change for the better in this country!
 Quoting: Mike 386152


Nope. If McCain wins, it will be a sequel of your actual clown president. Something like: "Bush Reloaded". You'll see.
Mike
User ID: 386152
3/5/2008 1:01 PM
Re: John McCain: Lost 5 Aircraft and graduated 5th from last in Annapolis; known as "Party Animal" who leapfrogged others because of his daddy tQuote

No matter who wins this it WILL be better than our current President and things will change for the better in this country!


Nope. If McCain wins, it will be a sequel of your actual clown president. Something like: "Bush Reloaded". You'll see.
 Quoting: blackcat66 348276



Not MY President but OUR President. I didn't vote for him either but never the less he is still the President. I love the fact that that is the only think you quoted. WOW!! I didn't say if Mcain wins i said no matter who wins that includes all candidates. Do yourself favor and read before you post and if you cant do that i don't think anyone needs info from the peanut gallery.
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