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A newly identified personality disorder has been added to the DSM IV. While this disorder has been exhibited for decades, if not centuries, and includes many characteristics of personality disorders already included in the DSM, mental health professionals agreed that the surge in prevalence and increased severity of pathology of this disorder, as seen in recent years, warrants this disorder being given it’s own name and entry in the DSM at this time.
Taking into consideration the wide range of abhorrent and despicable behaviors displayed by those afflicted with this disorder, it was unanimously agreed that the most appropriate name for this new disorder is, Pathological Scumbag, which shall be referenced as PS for the remainder of this article.
The PS has combined characteristics of the Pathological Liar and Sociopath, with an overriding presentation of Narcissistic Personality. There are, however, some excluding behaviors which prevent the assignment of these diagnoses and create the need for the new diagnosis of Pathological Scumbag.
First, you will see the Narcissistic Personality. Narcissistic personality is characterized by behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy and a need to be admired by others. Narcissistic personality has a pathological unrealistic or inflated sense of self-importance, has an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and is hypersensitive to the opinions of others. Meeting five of the following criteria indicates the presence of this disorder.
1. Grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Fantasies of and preoccupied with beauty, brilliance, ideal love, power, or unlimited success.
3. A belief of being special and unique and can only be understood or a need to associate with people of high status.
4. A need for excessive admiration.
5. An unreasonable expectation of being treated with favor or excepting an automatic compliance to her / his wishes.
6. Will use others to achieve her / his goals.
7. Lacks empathy.
8. Believes others are envious of her / him or is envious of others.
9. Contemptuous or haughty attitudes / behaviors.

In the PS, you will typically see all 9 criteria met with emphasis on 1, 4, 5, 6, and 8.

Layered on top of the Narcissistic Personality, the PS will meet many criteria of the Pathological Liar. The difference is, where the Pathological Liar lies for no reason – not to gain advantage, impress, or hurt others, (See [link to thelastpsychiatrist.com] ).
the PS lies for all of these reasons and seems to often be connected to criteria 6 – will use others to achieve her/his goals. The PS lies intentionally, with premeditation, and purposefully, which prevents the diagnosis of a Pathological Liar, who can’t seem to help themselves.

Another layer of pathology includes some of the characteristics of the sociopath. A good description of this disorder can be seen here: [link to www.hss.caltech.edu] I will only reference the pertinent characteristics as seen in the PS. These include but are not limited to:
• Glibness and Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
• Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
• Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
• Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them.
• Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
• People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

So one may ask, why not assign the diagnosis of Sociopath. The excluding behavior is that the PS feels remorse and guilt, which turns to shame, causing the PS to turn on the people who have been lied to and deceived in an effort to cover up the lies and sociopathic behavior creating an endless cycle of scumbag behavior that reaches the level of pathology in a very short period of time. A true Sociopath does not feel shame or remorse. And it is this difference that creates the Pathological Scumbag – the deep rooted shame and knowledge of their own despicable behavior and treatment of others causes the PS to continue to lie, manipulate, and deceive, in order to maintain the illusions of the Narcissistic Personality, which is propped up by the other identified personality disorders (with excluding behaviors noted), this resulting in a disorder in a class of its own, the Pathological Scumbag.

Studies have been conducted to find a treatment for this disorder but none have been successful. It seems the best thing to do is isolate the PS and remove the PS from all positions of power that support the Narcissistic delusions as a first step. If it were possible to put the PS on an island alone, where the PS would be forced to end the self-perpetuating cycles of pathology, there may be some improvement in the overall presenting behaviors. Since this is not possible, the prognosis is quite dismal for the Pathological Scumbag. Most people diagnosed with PS continue to lead a very sad and pathetic existence, eaten up by shame that is only alleviated by brief moments of exuberance when another scheme and manipulation has been successful in reaching a new goal. As that brief moment of pleasure fades into self-loathing, the PS must find a new scheme, a new victim, involving more lying and immoral behavior, to get the pleasure need filled. You can see how this is never-ending. It is generally agreed that the normal treatments of disorders are useless with the PS and professionals are encouraged to end all therapeutic interventions as soon as the diagnosis of a Pathological Scumbag has been identified.
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which part of this do you fit in
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Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

You would certainly be very familiar with this personality disorder.
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Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

You would certainly be very familiar with this personality disorder.
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Haa - have a sense of humor much?
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crap ... this covers not only all politicains, but ever manager I have known
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I saw the paperwork one fills out at lifeskills the other day. They had lots of drug questions. Does anyone answer that stuff truthfully? You would probably lose your gun rights if you did. I'm sure they would say they couldn't help you if you weren't truthful, and my reply to that would be, you couldn't help anyway!
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Stop writing about my ex-boyfriend already.
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crap ... this covers not only all politicains, but ever manager I have known
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yes, the prevalence of Pathological Scumbags is astounding.
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crap ... this covers not only all politicains, but ever manager I have known

yes, the prevalence of Pathological Scumbags is astounding.
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We call that the UA diagnosis here.


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"The examples given above illustrate a group of behaviors known collectively as the Martyr Syndrome. Individuals with Martyr Syndrome routinely sacrifice their needs and wants for those of others. But then they complain, feel taken advantage of, and remind everyone of how much they have sacrificed."


I have a very good friend who is a martyr. Because I have known her for years and love her...I overlook her faults because I know she overlooks mine. Every now and then though....I feel like choking her and sending her to martydom!

Great post and nice to see you 2X hf
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We call that the UA diagnosis here.


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I believe the Pathological Scumbag is the UAx100.
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"The examples given above illustrate a group of behaviors known collectively as the Martyr Syndrome. Individuals with Martyr Syndrome routinely sacrifice their needs and wants for those of others. But then they complain, feel taken advantage of, and remind everyone of how much they have sacrificed."


I have a very good friend who is a martyr. Because I have known her for years and love her...I overlook her faults because I know she overlooks mine. Every now and then though....I feel like choking her and sending her to martydom!

Great post and nice to see you 2X hf
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Probably everyone has one disorder or another... It's the ones that have multiple disorders, like the PS, that you have to watch out for!
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A newly identified personality disorder has been added to the DSM IV.
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Every now and then though....I feel like choking her and sending her to martydom!

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Martyrs really piss me off. Its funny if you don't have to actually deal with one in person.

God forbid you are related to one. They always sacrifice and endure while others have a negative impact on their lives, and ...of course.....


......they NEVER impact your life negatively.

No, no, that just won't do. It might pop their martyr balloon.
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Disgusting Male Pig Syndrome: Husbands who habitually fail to chew their food or leave it all over their clothes and faces after each meal: refusal to sit at a table to dine and insistance on eating in front of a blaring idiot box; constant scraping of bowls with spoons and forks, enough to drive the wife out of the room for minutes at a time; Refusal to bath or shower even before approaching wife with amorous ideas; refusal to brush teeth more than once daily despite teeth containing food particles from the last meal; Refusal to thank you or show any appreciation for meals cooked by wife.

Many other symptoms too
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Paris Hilton and all the other Jollywood girls with no panties and a drink in their hand.

And then, of course, there is Hillary Clinton and her lecherous husband Bill.
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Paris Hilton and all the other Jollywood girls with no panties and a drink in their hand.

And then, of course, there is Hillary Clinton and her lecherous husband Bill.
 Quoting: anonanon


No, nooooo...you are mistaken! The above mentioned people have NO REMORSE! This new diagnosis says that the people have remorse and shame and therefore have to continually act out to alleviate their own lies and shame. BIG difference!

Well, this is based on the idea that this new diagnosis is REAL! ha ha I know plenty of narcissists, but none of them seem to have remorse. How could one tell if a sociopath has remorse since they feign ALL emotions and are very adept at doing so???

Pathological Scumbag...gotta love that moniker!
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Is Narcisism <sp> possible without the compulsive lying?
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Sounds like a new name for "Indigo Child" to me.
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Sounds like a new name for "Indigo Child" to me.
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Or the parent of an Indigo child.
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Paris Hilton and all the other Jollywood girls with no panties and a drink in their hand.

And then, of course, there is Hillary Clinton and her lecherous husband Bill.


No, nooooo...you are mistaken! The above mentioned people have NO REMORSE! This new diagnosis says that the people have remorse and shame and therefore have to continually act out to alleviate their own lies and shame. BIG difference!

Well, this is based on the idea that this new diagnosis is REAL! ha ha I know plenty of narcissists, but none of them seem to have remorse. How could one tell if a sociopath has remorse since they feign ALL emotions and are very adept at doing so???

Pathological Scumbag...gotta love that moniker!
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It's a twisted world of deceit they live in, that's for sure! And a fine line dividing one diagnosis from another!
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Stop writing about my ex-boyfriend already.
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Is Narcisism <sp> possible without the compulsive lying?
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A Narcisist would tell you, "Of course we don't lie!" but then they would be lying..
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A newly identified personality disorder has been added to the DSM IV. While this disorder has been exhibited for decades, if not centuries, and includes many characteristics of personality disorders already included in the DSM, mental health professionals agreed that the surge in prevalence and increased severity of pathology of this disorder, as seen in recent years, warrants this disorder being given it’s own name and entry in the DSM at this time.
Taking into consideration the wide range of abhorrent and despicable behaviors displayed by those afflicted with this disorder, it was unanimously agreed that the most appropriate name for this new disorder is, Pathological Scumbag, which shall be referenced as PS for the remainder of this article.
The PS has combined characteristics of the Pathological Liar and Sociopath, with an overriding presentation of Narcissistic Personality. There are, however, some excluding behaviors which prevent the assignment of these diagnoses and create the need for the new diagnosis of Pathological Scumbag.
First, you will see the Narcissistic Personality. Narcissistic personality is characterized by behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy and a need to be admired by others. Narcissistic personality has a pathological unrealistic or inflated sense of self-importance, has an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and is hypersensitive to the opinions of others. Meeting five of the following criteria indicates the presence of this disorder.

They have the need to be a victim and complain always and relentlessly.
They take little initiative in trying to fixing any complaint.
If any problem is solved, but in a different way than what they proposed, the problem still exists, as far as they are concerned.
If any problem is solved according to their solution, they will find another problem to complain about.
If any problem is solved, it is because they complained about it.
They complain about problems that do not concern them in the least.
They do not appreciate any good things being done.
They lie and twist facts to prove their point.
They selectively forget, ignore or avoid any facts that may conflict with their point.
They resort to name-calling when everything else fails.

Layered on top of the Narcissistic Personality, the PS will meet many criteria of the Pathological Liar. The difference is, where the Pathological Liar lies for no reason – not to gain advantage, impress, or hurt others, (See [link to thelastpsychiatrist.com] ).
the PS lies for all of these reasons and seems to often be connected to criteria 6 – will use others to achieve her/his goals. The PS lies intentionally, with premeditation, and purposefully, which prevents the diagnosis of a Pathological Liar, who can’t seem to help themselves.

Another layer of pathology includes some of the characteristics of the sociopath. A good description of this disorder can be seen here: [link to www.hss.caltech.edu] I will only reference the pertinent characteristics as seen in the PS. These include but are not limited to:
• Glibness and Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
• Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
• Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
• Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them.
• Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
• People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

So one may ask, why not assign the diagnosis of Sociopath. The excluding behavior is that the PS feels remorse and guilt, which turns to shame, causing the PS to turn on the people who have been lied to and deceived in an effort to cover up the lies and sociopathic behavior creating an endless cycle of scumbag behavior that reaches the level of pathology in a very short period of time. A true Sociopath does not feel shame or remorse. And it is this difference that creates the Pathological Scumbag – the deep rooted shame and knowledge of their own despicable behavior and treatment of others causes the PS to continue to lie, manipulate, and deceive, in order to maintain the illusions of the Narcissistic Personality, which is propped up by the other identified personality disorders (with excluding behaviors noted), this resulting in a disorder in a class of its own, the Pathological Scumbag.

Studies have been conducted to find a treatment for this disorder but none have been successful. It seems the best thing to do is isolate the PS and remove the PS from all positions of power that support the Narcissistic delusions as a first step. If it were possible to put the PS on an island alone, where the PS would be forced to end the self-perpetuating cycles of pathology, there may be some improvement in the overall presenting behaviors. Since this is not possible, the prognosis is quite dismal for the Pathological Scumbag. Most people diagnosed with PS continue to lead a very sad and pathetic existence, eaten up by shame that is only alleviated by brief moments of exuberance when another scheme and manipulation has been successful in reaching a new goal. As that brief moment of pleasure fades into self-loathing, the PS must find a new scheme, a new victim, involving more lying and immoral behavior, to get the pleasure need filled. You can see how this is never-ending. It is generally agreed that the normal treatments of disorders are useless with the PS and professionals are encouraged to end all therapeutic interventions as soon as the diagnosis of a Pathological Scumbag has been identified.
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Paris Hilton and all the other Jollywood girls with no panties and a drink in their hand.

And then, of course, there is Hillary Clinton and her lecherous husband Bill.


No, nooooo...you are mistaken! The above mentioned people have NO REMORSE! This new diagnosis says that the people have remorse and shame and therefore have to continually act out to alleviate their own lies and shame. BIG difference!

Well, this is based on the idea that this new diagnosis is REAL! ha ha I know plenty of narcissists, but none of them seem to have remorse. How could one tell if a sociopath has remorse since they feign ALL emotions and are very adept at doing so???

Pathological Scumbag...gotta love that moniker!


It's a twisted world of deceit they live in, that's for sure! And a fine line dividing one diagnosis from another!
 Quoting: 2XSecretAgent


Right-o! I think the biggest mistake people make when dealing with narcissists or sociopaths is to believe that they have emotions and/or compassion and empathy. They are SO GOOD at conning people with their fake emotions that they are almost invincible in their ability to bait and trap their victims. It's a scary world out there folks! Predators galore!
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Is Narcisism <sp> possible without the compulsive lying?

A Narcisist would tell you, "Of course we don't lie!" but then they would be lying..
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Point taken! lol Thanks.
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The borderline personality is even more fun to contend with,in my experience.



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The DSm is a fraud. Psychology is not a science, it is a subjective art. Western based mental arts are as incompetent as Weatern Medicine.

To add stuff to the list, a bunch of shrinks sit around in a room, toss out some symptoms, and invent a disorder. No science involved.

The martyr is a Type 2-Enneagram, the Helper. They are destitute inside, having lost the ability to believe in themselves. So they help others, as their self-worth is based on being repaid for the help they give, asked for or not. They will turn on you if you do not acknowledge them for their "help".

They need to believe in themselves, and understand that their helping is counter-productive.

Lots of nurses are 2s.

A lot of 3s, the Performer, are these shiny, no hair out of place, sociopaths. Their self worth is based on having others see them as exemplary. So they dress up perfectly, and so on. But they, too, are empty inside, and a fertile ground for sociopathy.

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