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At the outset of the war, the Germans had five transatlantic cables that ran through the English Channel. One went to Brest in France, another to Vigo in Spain, one to Tenerife in North Africa and two to New York via the Azores. The English cable ship Telconia cut them all in England's first offensive action in the war.

This is page 2 of the article. Links to all pages can be found at the bottom of the post.
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The Z gram intercept: greatest cryptography coup of World War I

Spokesman Magazine, July, 2004 by Dennis Casey

At the outset of the war, the Germans had five transatlantic cables that ran through the English Channel. One went to Brest in France, another to Vigo in Spain, one to Tenerife in North Africa and two to New York via the Azores. The English cable ship Telconia cut them all in England's first offensive action in the war. This left a cable that ran between West Africa and Brazil that was largely American-owned that the Germans could use. In short order the allies ended that source of direct cable communications with the overseas world. Consequently, Germany was forced to use their powerful wireless station at Nauen, just a few miles outside Berlin. From this moment, German messages were routinely picked from the air and began pouring into the offices of British Naval Intelligence. In order to capture this flood of information, four new allied listening stations were established along the English coast with direct wires to Admiral Hall's offices. The positive result from this investment could not be overemphasized.

When Arthur Zimmermann dispatched his now infamous coded telegram, he elected to do so over three different routes. The message was transmitted from the German wireless station at Nauen and also over a cable controlled by the Swedish government. The Germans had agreed they would send their diplomatic traffic to the United States and elsewhere over this transatlantic cable. They also had the message typed out by an American embassy clerk and sent across the Atlantic over the U.S. State Department cable as instructed by Colonel House. Admiral Hall's operatives intercepted all three messages.

When the German government made the decision to employ unrestricted submarine warfare, President Wilson, who had struggled to attain a peace in Europe without victory and who had worked extensively with the British and the German governments, now felt his policies and many attempts to peace had led to nothing. Still committed to maintaining America's neutrality, President Wilson clung to the idea of not getting involved in the war in Europe, even against the advice of Robert Lansing, his Secretary of State.

When Wilson finally learned of the Zimmermann telegram and that British Intelligence had intercepted it in Mexico, Admiral Hall did not want President Wilson to know that the British were intercepting American cables as well; the last stone had been cast. President Wilson directed Secretary Lansing to release the telegram to the press. On Thursday, March 1, 1917, the text of Zimmermann's telegram appeared in the Times and the World, both New York newspapers.

The reaction across the United States to the publication of the Zimmermann telegram according to Secretary Lansing was profound. When Arthur Zimmermann publicly admitted to having sent the telegram, America seemed to sit up and gasp. Newspapers across the country took the telegram to be a direct threat to the United States. The Detroit Times expressed it perhaps best when an editor's comment said," It looks like war for this country. All these papers had been ardently neutral until Zimmermann shot an arrow in the air and brought down neutrality like a dead duck." On April 2, President Wilson asked Congress for a declaration of war. For Zimmermann the entire effort involving the telegram had been a minor plot. For Americans, the entire affair killed the illusion that the United States could go about its business separate from other nations. For most Americans it was the end of innocence.

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The point that needs to be noticed here is how the cable cuts forced Germany to resort to wireless communications. Comms sent through the air are easier to intercept as the article clearly states. Only today, we are much better at it.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.
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I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.
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Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.
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I tend to agree with you Omega. Time is running short, very short.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.
 Quoting: Omega



Iranian oil Bourse...

Details please omega



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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.



Iranian oil Bourse...

Details please omega



Fire fly
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He is probably referring to the fact that Iran will no longer accept US dollars for oil payments. They now require 'other' currency that has not lost value as the dollar has. Same thing happened in Iraq just before our invasion there. They started accepting other currency for oil instead of the dollar. What a lot of people don't realize is that the dollar used to be the only currency used by nations to buy oil. That is what propped the dollar and kept it afloat. If countries start using other currencies to buy their oil, the dollar will continue to fall more and more. Basically, the trade of dollars for oil is what has kept our dollar valuable. If that stops, our dollar plummets.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.



Iranian oil Bourse...

Details please omega



Fire fly

He is probably referring to the fact that Iran will no longer accept US dollars for oil payments. They now require 'other' currency that has not lost value as the dollar has. Same thing happened in Iraq just before our invasion there. They started accepting other currency for oil instead of the dollar. What a lot of people don't realize is that the dollar used to be the only currency used by nations to buy oil. That is what propped the dollar and kept it afloat. If countries start using other currencies to buy their oil, the dollar will continue to fall more and more. Basically, the trade of dollars for oil is what has kept our dollar valuable. If that stops, our dollar plummets.
 Quoting: ID10T

If what you say is true, we are in some deep shit. No wonder the cables have been cut to Iran. I'm sure they will play it off as some kind of AQ attack or something, but we will know better.
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Somebody seems to be hinting at some kutting of an iranian cable recently.Where ,when?
Anyway it comes to my mind that during the protests in burma,Burmese internet became inaccessible and in western media it was reported that the Burmese regime blamed the blackout on a brocken cable.I can imagin it was cut by a US submarine to block the Burmese regime from spreding its version of the events to the world,while Burmese exile groops could operate from exile in Thailand,from where most western reporting toke place.But this is a speculation.
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Thread: Iran is off the internet completely-3cables torn

Here is a thread to the cutoff. Now, this was posted 2/1 so I have no idea of repair status. Take it for what you will.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.



Iranian oil Bourse...

Details please omega



Fire fly

He is probably referring to the fact that Iran will no longer accept US dollars for oil payments. They now require 'other' currency that has not lost value as the dollar has. Same thing happened in Iraq just before our invasion there. They started accepting other currency for oil instead of the dollar. What a lot of people don't realize is that the dollar used to be the only currency used by nations to buy oil. That is what propped the dollar and kept it afloat. If countries start using other currencies to buy their oil, the dollar will continue to fall more and more. Basically, the trade of dollars for oil is what has kept our dollar valuable. If that stops, our dollar plummets.

If what you say is true, we are in some deep shit. No wonder the cables have been cut to Iran. I'm sure they will play it off as some kind of AQ attack or something, but we will know better.
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They said on CNN that it was a ship dragging its anchor.
LOL LOL LOL
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Yeah. I'll tell ya why. The NSA has a very rich and sordid history of jacking into undersea communications cables dating back to the late 1950's. All covered in the book The Puzzle Palace by James Banford. Covering all phone and data links would give the US a tremendous advantage in both intelliegence and foreign trade, as well as trading in equities markets, and gleaning inside info on foreign corporations.

Think about it.
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Excellent point. It looks like 'someone' needed to intercept, and more importantly identify, some extremely important communications within a certain timeframe.

By cutting the cables you remove 99% of the noise! Cut three cables and monitor what is going out on the last one left. Then cut the last cable and monitor over wireless for communication with a certain 'signature'.

This was not about intercepting, this is all about identifying the signature of the messages and their destinations.

A brazen plan which indicates the seriousness need to identify the message. Not good news IMO.
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Excellent point. It looks like 'someone' needed to intercept, and more importantly identify, some extremely important communications within a certain timeframe.

By cutting the cables you remove 99% of the noise! Cut three cables and monitor what is going out on the last one left. Then cut the last cable and monitor over wireless for communication with a certain 'signature'.

This was not about intercepting, this is all about identifying the signature of the messages and their destinations.

A brazen plan which indicates the seriousness need to identify the message. Not good news IMO.
 Quoting: intercept and identify 71715


I was thinking jacking into the cable and recovering the info realtime via submarine, rpv, or a periodic custom programed slot bouy with burst transmission capabilities.
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Excellent point. It looks like 'someone' needed to intercept, and more importantly identify, some extremely important communications within a certain timeframe.

By cutting the cables you remove 99% of the noise! Cut three cables and monitor what is going out on the last one left. Then cut the last cable and monitor over wireless for communication with a certain 'signature'.

This was not about intercepting, this is all about identifying the signature of the messages and their destinations.

A brazen plan which indicates the seriousness need to identify the message. Not good news IMO.


I was thinking jacking into the cable and recovering the info realtime via submarine, rpv, or a periodic custom programed slot bouy with burst transmission capabilities.
damned
 Quoting: Omega


As I understand the cables are fibreoptic. If so, the quantity of information would be too large to send unfiltered in burst mode IMO.
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Where's the DOC on this thread then, I wonder?

He was desperately trying to spin this as an ''accident'' yesterday.

I'm seriously starting to wonder about that fella.
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At the outset of the war, the Germans had five transatlantic cables that ran through the English Channel. One went to Brest in France, another to Vigo in Spain, one to Tenerife in North Africa and two to New York via the Azores. The English cable ship Telconia cut them all in England's first offensive action in the war.

This is page 2 of the article. Links to all pages can be found at the bottom of the post.
_____________________________________________________________​___________
[link to findarticles.com]

The Z gram intercept: greatest cryptography coup of World War I

Spokesman Magazine, July, 2004 by Dennis Casey

At the outset of the war, the Germans had five transatlantic cables that ran through the English Channel. One went to Brest in France, another to Vigo in Spain, one to Tenerife in North Africa and two to New York via the Azores. The English cable ship Telconia cut them all in England's first offensive action in the war. This left a cable that ran between West Africa and Brazil that was largely American-owned that the Germans could use. In short order the allies ended that source of direct cable communications with the overseas world. Consequently, Germany was forced to use their powerful wireless station at Nauen, just a few miles outside Berlin. From this moment, German messages were routinely picked from the air and began pouring into the offices of British Naval Intelligence. In order to capture this flood of information, four new allied listening stations were established along the English coast with direct wires to Admiral Hall's offices. The positive result from this investment could not be overemphasized.

When Arthur Zimmermann dispatched his now infamous coded telegram, he elected to do so over three different routes. The message was transmitted from the German wireless station at Nauen and also over a cable controlled by the Swedish government. The Germans had agreed they would send their diplomatic traffic to the United States and elsewhere over this transatlantic cable. They also had the message typed out by an American embassy clerk and sent across the Atlantic over the U.S. State Department cable as instructed by Colonel House. Admiral Hall's operatives intercepted all three messages.

When the German government made the decision to employ unrestricted submarine warfare, President Wilson, who had struggled to attain a peace in Europe without victory and who had worked extensively with the British and the German governments, now felt his policies and many attempts to peace had led to nothing. Still committed to maintaining America's neutrality, President Wilson clung to the idea of not getting involved in the war in Europe, even against the advice of Robert Lansing, his Secretary of State.

When Wilson finally learned of the Zimmermann telegram and that British Intelligence had intercepted it in Mexico, Admiral Hall did not want President Wilson to know that the British were intercepting American cables as well; the last stone had been cast. President Wilson directed Secretary Lansing to release the telegram to the press. On Thursday, March 1, 1917, the text of Zimmermann's telegram appeared in the Times and the World, both New York newspapers.

The reaction across the United States to the publication of the Zimmermann telegram according to Secretary Lansing was profound. When Arthur Zimmermann publicly admitted to having sent the telegram, America seemed to sit up and gasp. Newspapers across the country took the telegram to be a direct threat to the United States. The Detroit Times expressed it perhaps best when an editor's comment said," It looks like war for this country. All these papers had been ardently neutral until Zimmermann shot an arrow in the air and brought down neutrality like a dead duck." On April 2, President Wilson asked Congress for a declaration of war. For Zimmermann the entire effort involving the telegram had been a minor plot. For Americans, the entire affair killed the illusion that the United States could go about its business separate from other nations. For most Americans it was the end of innocence.

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War, what is it good for...
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.
 Quoting: Omega

One word.

Amen
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New moon around February 7. Would give visual challenge.
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Ships dragging anchors have a history of cutting undersea cables. Most of the time they can be repaired quickly. the one the French own that reportedly would not be repaired until February 12th poses questions????????
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.
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I agree, too. If the US nukes Iran, there will be hell to pay. Someone needs to take down our government before they destroy the world!
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." William Shakespeare
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Yeah. I'll tell ya why. The NSA has a very rich and sordid history of jacking into undersea communications cables dating back to the late 1950's. All covered in the book The Puzzle Palace by James Banford. Covering all phone and data links would give the US a tremendous advantage in both intelliegence and foreign trade, as well as trading in equities markets, and gleaning inside info on foreign corporations.

Think about it.
 Quoting: Omega


Greetings Reverend 12 Gauge,

Did they cut the cords or did they use some kind of electro magnetic pick up?

It seems to me they don't even have to cut the cords, maybe things have changed.


You read the book, so.

If you are in to that kind of stuff. I don't read a whole lot. One book I read a few years back E=MC2, well until I read it I didn't even know that Hitler almost had the bomb before we did.
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Excellent point. It looks like 'someone' needed to intercept, and more importantly identify, some extremely important communications within a certain timeframe.

By cutting the cables you remove 99% of the noise! Cut three cables and monitor what is going out on the last one left. Then cut the last cable and monitor over wireless for communication with a certain 'signature'.

This was not about intercepting, this is all about identifying the signature of the messages and their destinations.

A brazen plan which indicates the seriousness need to identify the message. Not good news IMO.


I was thinking jacking into the cable and recovering the info realtime via submarine, rpv, or a periodic custom programed slot bouy with burst transmission capabilities.
damned
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I brought this up on another cable thread(jacking into cable) and was told (no,cant be done)which i thought was bullshit!
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.
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Yes remember before 911 the sharks were swarming off the Florida coast? I had just got back from the Bahamas first part of Aug and then all these shark attacks started.
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This should be taken seriously. I also believe this is a prelude to a major event.

I totally agree. I think there is something in the works that will occur within the next few days, either here in the US or abroad.


Five words.

Iranian Oil Bourse.

Next Week.
 Quoting: Omega

and a dark moon..