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New Weapon Against Terror: A Flashlight?



LOS ANGELES (CBS13) ― It looks like a normal flashlight, but Homeland Security has paid close to a million dollars for it. It can stop you right in your tracks.

Law enforcement is already calling it "controversial."

The point of this device is to disorient you, so we modified the video when we showed it on air. If you wish to see the unmodified footage of the device in action, you can click here -- but be warned, you may find the experience uncomfortable.

For riots and chaotic situations, police often use tasers, rubber bullets and pepper spray to try and control the crowd. But there could soon be a new weapon in their arsenal: a hi-tech flashlight with a big punch.

"Flashblindness, the 'Oh my gosh this light is really bright, I can't see anything behind it.' That effect is immediate for everybody," said Bob Lieberman, president of Intelligent Optical Systems.

Nausea and a feeling of disorientation soon follow. The device is called the "LED Incapacitator." Intelligent Optical Systems is the company building it right here in California, thanks to an $800,000 contract from Homeland Security.

Once Lieberman turned on the Incapacitator for us, we started feeling the effects. It can be irritating to watch the video, but in person it's even more stunning.

According to Lieberman, the device flashes LED lights at several specific frequencies. Before your brain has time to adjust to one frequency, the Incapacitator flashes another. Add multiple colors and random pulses and the brain just can't keep up.

"The longer you look at this, the more you don't want to look at it," said Lieberman. "The closer you are to it, the more intense the effect."

The only ways to escape the effects? "Close your eyes, put your hand up, turn your head away, all of which will give the user the advantage they need," said Lieberman.

We wanted to see just how effective the light is, so I tried it out. You see green, white, and after a while it becomes very blurry. I didn't feel sick, but I could not tell where the operator was standing at one point.

I also saw blotches in my vision, which stayed with me for about a half hour after the test. Then, a strong headache kicked in.

David Throckmorton is a Homeland Security program manager in Washington DC. He says the government would like to arm the Coast Guard, Secret Service, Border Patrol and Air Marshals with the device.

"It doesn't really do any damage to you," said David. "For them, it would be a way to stop a terrorist or whoever from advancing."

Commander Sid Hale with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department helped design the device over the last three years, and says this is something all law enforcement wants, especially at night and for crowd control, so they don't have to pull their guns.

"They may be incorporated into existing architecture," said Hale. "If we have a big jail riot, we just turn out the regular lights and turn on the flashing lights. This is about the safest thing you can find and still be considered some type of force. This is about one step above screaming and yelling at a guy."

Michael Soller with the ACLU says he's concerned.

"Let's not pretend these are anything less than a weapon," said Soller.

His concern is not so much with the device itself, but how officers are trained to handle it, and if they misuse it.

"Tasers were sold and police officers were trained that they're nonlethal," said Soller. "We have 300 deaths over the past few years that show that the claim was not true."

Is there a possibility that someone could go blind from something like this?

"No," said Lieberman. "We've been very careful to design this so the maximum permissible exposure limit for human eye safety is never exceeded."

Medical safety tests are already underway, and law enforcement field trials will likely start later this year.

Could the public get their hands on this?

"Yes, this kind of technology could possibly be useful for someone in a situation where they're trying to fend off an attacker," said Lieberman.

That's news to Homeland Security. The department says it may be restricted to just law enforcement. Still, by 2010, Intelligent Optical Systems hopes to be selling this technology on store shelves.


[link to cbs13.com]
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Good video of the thing at the link, right side of article.

It looks just like a flashlight, but it makes people blind and sick.
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It's okay for cops and government agents to terrorize people.

It's only bad when bad people do it.
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The government is in terror - of YOU!



"If the people ever find out what we have done, they would drag us out into the streets and hang us". - George Herbert Walker Bush


GHWB is one of the, until now, unseen hands in the destruction of America. He's been running his Black Ops from his CIA headquarters. He and his minions must be stopped at all costs if we as a people and a nation are to survive.


We can immediately affect their evil agendas by not paying into the illegal IRS, by boycotting their Illuminati banks, by NOT shopping for things that we don't need to survive (food,weapons,ammo,portable shelters, med supplies), by boycotting a treasonous congress, judiciary, and so called 'law enforcement'.



Any armed citizen who witnesses a 'law enforcement' member torturing another citizen should dispatch that motherfucker straight to hell. They have declared WAR on us and the sooner you realize that we are AT WAR with our own 'government', they safer you will be.

How many people have been murdered by the police since Bush slithered into the WH? These motherfuckers need a really good dose of their own medicine.
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so, carry lead lined blindfolds with you
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This kills me. In ANY flashlight vs shotgun duel the flashlight loses.
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Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.
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GHWB is one of the, until now, unseen hands in the destruction of America. He's been running his Black Ops from his CIA headquarters. He and his minions must be stopped at all costs if we as a people and a nation are to survive.

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You are exactly correct Anonymous Coward 348996.

Here's your proof and for others, please watch this to see why Anonymous Coward 348996 has this fact.

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they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

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Please come to my house so I can pepper-spray your eyes.

Thanks.
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Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.
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they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?
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ironically
this will only work at night
do your public assembly in the day
no way this light is brighter than the sun
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they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.



Please come to my house so I can pepper-spray your eyes.

Thanks.
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All you need for pepper spray is milk..you whiney little pussy. You remain alive don't you?
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Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?
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They need something that they can protect themselves with as they do their job.
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Another Lieberman...

They know what's best for you...they have a nose for it...
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Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?


They need something that they can protect themselves with as they do their job.
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Calling it their job doesn't make it right.
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Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?


They need something that they can protect themselves with as they do their job.

Calling it their job doesn't make it right.
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That's your opinion.
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icky
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Re: Police state USA - New Weapon Against Terror? An incapacitating light...they say terror, yet the gov says it's for crowd control, which means yo
Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?


They need something that they can protect themselves with as they do their job.
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their job is to protect our rights to freedom of assembly and speech
if they are not protecting our rights to do that
they are dishonoring their oath to uphold the constitution
if you deny public assembly and speech because a few planted provocateurs cause trouble
you are not doing your 'job'
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Re: Police state USA - New Weapon Against Terror? An incapacitating light...they say terror, yet the gov says it's for crowd control, which means yo
Oh no!!! It causes a headache and you have to turn your eyes away!! The horror!!!!!!

Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.

they also hate freedom of assembly and speech
why should you applaud their control tools?


They need something that they can protect themselves with as they do their job.

Calling it their job doesn't make it right.


That's your opinion.
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so we need a little history lesson?
many times the people in power
are not the friends of freedom and liberty
just because they have power
and arrogate to themselves
the right to decide who can speak
and who cannot
does not make them right
it only makes them control freaks
we could name many govt. leaders in history who used military power to silence dissent
but, would that affect you in any way?
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Give me a break...they have obviously found something that won't kill someone like a gun or taser can. And you people still bitch.
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+1.

but the american govt is at war with almost EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.

in some way or another, they are trying to control shit.

why does the US military have bases in 171 of the worlds 200 odd countrys?

i cant figure that one out... i must be a retard.
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The police are SUPPOSED to SERVE AND PROTECT the PEOPLE, those who pay their salaries and BUY those very same weapons they use against US.

The TRUTH is that the police serve and protect the members of the 4th Nazi Reich against YOU! AND YOU ARE PAYING THEM AND SUPPLYING THEIR WEAPONS!
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So I will wear the neoprene 3-5mm thick if I protest so I can diminish the tasers erffect...and what kind of goggles can I wear to protect my eyes....oh and I need the special ear plugs to block out the ADS(active denial system) and then if I have a really big lead apron I can deflect the EMF attacks...and fast, or reduced caloric MREs so I do not ingest the poison in the food...hmmman I should have a gas mask with special radiation suit...and anything I am forgetting for my bugout kit?


This is such a bunch of BS

Like in 5 decades when has there been easy peace? WWI, WWII, Pearl Harbor....and other flase flags or smaller wars...Nam, Desert Storm....blah blah blah

I am disgusted-Most of my relatives are dead due to wars in europe and russia and America even...I am so fed up with this idiocy-enough with the pissing contests

I look forward to more woman coming into power-maybe we can beat this beast down and take its head off for good

Maybe I am more self reliant than most due to school of hard knocks but I have never counted on the politicos to protect me-My taxdollars paid them but I got little in return

imho

call me a cynic hf
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assemble during the day
bring rope to tie up the provocateurs
that should do it
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i'd buy a weapon mountable version in a heartbeat. I was considering getting a basic strobe, but this would be better.
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if nonviolent assemblers
will do a citizens arrest on provocateurs
they will not be able to use them as an excuse to stop assembly
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What about Photosensitive epileptics? This could be quite dangerous for an epileptic....


Both my husband and oldest son have developed photosensitivity...
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Great, a new way to cause pile ups on the roads with the overzealous police operators. New investigations will find that the police always had the light facing in the opposite direction.

They are learning how to destroy the nervous system in humans. The effects of this GUN may not be readily apparent, until a time later when people go blind for no other apparent reason.

They are so fucking scared of people they need to be able to build better and more incapacitating weapons against them,.
New Weapon Against Terror: A Flashlight?



LOS ANGELES (CBS13) ― It looks like a normal flashlight, but Homeland Security has paid close to a million dollars for it. It can stop you right in your tracks.

Law enforcement is already calling it "controversial."

The point of this device is to disorient you, so we modified the video when we showed it on air. If you wish to see the unmodified footage of the device in action, you can click here -- but be warned, you may find the experience uncomfortable.

For riots and chaotic situations, police often use tasers, rubber bullets and pepper spray to try and control the crowd. But there could soon be a new weapon in their arsenal: a hi-tech flashlight with a big punch.

"Flashblindness, the 'Oh my gosh this light is really bright, I can't see anything behind it.' That effect is immediate for everybody," said Bob Lieberman, president of Intelligent Optical Systems.

Nausea and a feeling of disorientation soon follow. The device is called the "LED Incapacitator." Intelligent Optical Systems is the company building it right here in California, thanks to an $800,000 contract from Homeland Security.

Once Lieberman turned on the Incapacitator for us, we started feeling the effects. It can be irritating to watch the video, but in person it's even more stunning.

According to Lieberman, the device flashes LED lights at several specific frequencies. Before your brain has time to adjust to one frequency, the Incapacitator flashes another. Add multiple colors and random pulses and the brain just can't keep up.

"The longer you look at this, the more you don't want to look at it," said Lieberman. "The closer you are to it, the more intense the effect."

The only ways to escape the effects? "Close your eyes, put your hand up, turn your head away, all of which will give the user the advantage they need," said Lieberman.

We wanted to see just how effective the light is, so I tried it out. You see green, white, and after a while it becomes very blurry. I didn't feel sick, but I could not tell where the operator was standing at one point.

I also saw blotches in my vision, which stayed with me for about a half hour after the test. Then, a strong headache kicked in.

David Throckmorton is a Homeland Security program manager in Washington DC. He says the government would like to arm the Coast Guard, Secret Service, Border Patrol and Air Marshals with the device.

"It doesn't really do any damage to you," said David. "For them, it would be a way to stop a terrorist or whoever from advancing."

Commander Sid Hale with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department helped design the device over the last three years, and says this is something all law enforcement wants, especially at night and for crowd control, so they don't have to pull their guns.

"They may be incorporated into existing architecture," said Hale. "If we have a big jail riot, we just turn out the regular lights and turn on the flashing lights. This is about the safest thing you can find and still be considered some type of force. This is about one step above screaming and yelling at a guy."

Michael Soller with the ACLU says he's concerned.

"Let's not pretend these are anything less than a weapon," said Soller.

His concern is not so much with the device itself, but how officers are trained to handle it, and if they misuse it.

"Tasers were sold and police officers were trained that they're nonlethal," said Soller. "We have 300 deaths over the past few years that show that the claim was not true."

Is there a possibility that someone could go blind from something like this?

"No," said Lieberman. "We've been very careful to design this so the maximum permissible exposure limit for human eye safety is never exceeded."

Medical safety tests are already underway, and law enforcement field trials will likely start later this year.

Could the public get their hands on this?

"Yes, this kind of technology could possibly be useful for someone in a situation where they're trying to fend off an attacker," said Lieberman.

That's news to Homeland Security. The department says it may be restricted to just law enforcement. Still, by 2010, Intelligent Optical Systems hopes to be selling this technology on store shelves.


[link to cbs13.com]
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why do they fear freedom of assembly and speech?
what are they really afraid of?
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oh and I need the special ear plugs to block out the ADS(active denial system)

ADS is a microwave system, i suspect your ear plugs will pop out like on a turkey, so that they will know you are done :)

i have a ten million power spot light that i use at home should someone visit me at night

and a shotgun if they were uninvited
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They are afraid that the people may one day be serious about running their government the way it was intentionally meant to be.

They are currently thanking their gods that we are such cowards! lol

why do they fear freedom of assembly and speech?
what are they really afraid of?
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