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Photonic Human - LIGHT - Smart Dust?

 
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If light and sound are both responsible for creating our holographic reality...is it possible that the fine, higher, "pure" frequecies of light and sound associated with Divine creation from Source are "battling" with the lower frequencies of light and sound creation?


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Here is my take on it.

New light and a new sound are coming in. A New Energy Dynamic. It does not confront the other to win. It simply is yet the other may do the confronting. It is itself abiding and still.

Crash... into me...
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If light and sound are both responsible for creating our holographic reality...is it possible that the fine, higher, "pure" frequecies of light and sound associated with Divine creation from Source are "battling" with the lower frequencies of light and sound creation?


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Do you have a tummy ache? The solar plexus is our chakra (or energy packet) that distinguishes between the lower frequencies and higher frequencies, and would naturally be the "place" where such a battle may occur. Just thinking out loud. Certainly cannot offer a scientific answer to your question, but metaphysically, the "gut" seems to get the brutal effects of stress and frustration, as does the heart, the next chakra up.
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If light and sound are both responsible for creating our holographic reality...is it possible that the fine, higher, "pure" frequecies of light and sound associated with Divine creation from Source are "battling" with the lower frequencies of light and sound creation?


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Do you have a tummy ache? The solar plexus is our chakra (or energy packet) that distinguishes between the lower frequencies and higher frequencies, and would naturally be the "place" where such a battle may occur. Just thinking out loud. Certainly cannot offer a scientific answer to your question, but metaphysically, the "gut" seems to get the brutal effects of stress and frustration, as does the heart, the next chakra up.
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As an addendum to this idea, however, I'd like to say that it is solely up to the individual to connect with the higher frequencies rather than mire in the muddy waters of the lower frequencies. The LIGHT does not attack or cause problems, but it is our lack of understanding and failure to "take the higher road" ourselves that causes the battle, imho.
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[Quote;ICF]always come back to that diddy don't we...hhhhmmmm!

Ha ha ha ha, love it ICF. Great thread. Brilliant.
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If light and sound are both responsible for creating our holographic reality...is it possible that the fine, higher, "pure" frequecies of light and sound associated with Divine creation from Source are "battling" with the lower frequencies of light and sound creation?


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Do you have a tummy ache? The solar plexus is our chakra (or energy packet) that distinguishes between the lower frequencies and higher frequencies, and would naturally be the "place" where such a battle may occur. Just thinking out loud. Certainly cannot offer a scientific answer to your question, but metaphysically, the "gut" seems to get the brutal effects of stress and frustration, as does the heart, the next chakra up.
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That was helpful. Thanks.
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ICF follow vortices (imho).

If the newly discovered vortex phenomenon of the vortex of the electric field exists, then it will be possible to practically use it. Whereas we still think about possibilities for technical usage, there by all means exists the possibility, that nature already is successfully using the vortex for a long time. We should look precise at things. We can only learn of nature!

Remarkable about the passage of Plato is not only the fact, that the potential vortex already was known for two and a half thousand years and was taken into consideration for an interpretation, but also the realization of Plato, that during the described transition the smells form. Smell thus would be a vortex property!

After all vortices are able to bind information as can be inferred from the basic principle of cybernetics. With this vortex property and the statement of Plato, smell obviously would be nothing else than pure information which by potential vortices is stored, distributed and eventually is caught by the hair cells for smell of the nose.

If now a dog takes up a track, does it then run after vortices which remained behind or does it analyse, according to the encyclopaedia, the chemistry left behind, or does it combine both? Does the bloodhound for instance interpret the vortical oscillations of chemical substances like lattice oscillations or the movements of the electrons in the atomic hull?

A lot of work awaits the research scientist of vortices here
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"I see a continum of information being coupled to the DNA, mechanical as in Tensegrity, electromagnetic longitudinal coupled nerve impulse, colloid suspension medium of the cytosol wave functions, chemical gradient ionic charge, piezoelectric of the fascia, electomagnetic to photons, the entire spectrum."

If thats how it is in the micro (body)

"This page contains articles by various scholars whose theories and discoveries are paradigm changing. In Russia thousands of physists are working on a newly discovered kind of energy, the torsion wave. Torsion fields exist in the fabric of space, called the ether and as waves can travel at superlumineous speeds. As a static energy field they manifest in vortex structures."

[link to www.soulsofdistortion.nl]

If thats how it is in the macro (universal)

Guess the trick is to believe what you see and the rest is history.
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Forgive me i got a little bit to eager to post, so i haven't read everything. I'll get to that, after i finish this post.
Thanks ICF. I didn't know so many where interested in this subject.

The emitting of light has been measured! By scientist with very sensitive equipment.
Fritz-Albert Popp did this amazing discovery when he was playing with ultra-violet light on Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon. He found that Benzo[a]Pyrene absorbed the light and then emitted it in a complete different frequency. He was ofcourse puzzled so he tried Benzo[e]Pyrene and now the light did not change. Note: BaP is (and PAH are) a carcinogen), BeP although almost chemically identical is harmless.

So he tried other carcinogenic substances, he could after a while predict if a substance would cause cancer by just looking if it would reflect the UV-light in a different frequency. He found that the reaction only took place within the 380nm frequency.
Popp did research, he wanted to know everything about this subject. He found something called "light restoration" (I hardly know anything about this study, sorry. What i know is this: you can destroy a cell for 99,9% with UV-light, but with the same light, but much weaker, repair it to it's former state within 48 hours.) and that it too found to that 380nm was the frequency.

Popp thought that because carcinogenic substances reflect this frequency, it would stop that restoration process and therefor cause cancer. (!)

But this light has to come from somewhere yes? Scientist around him, found his research most promising, except for the fact that it meant that our body has to emit light to repair itself. Popp made this his life work. He met a young scientist called Bernard Ruth who came with a machine that can count light photon by photon (EMI 9558QA). In 1976 they started their research with cucumber seedlings, finding that they emit light with high intensity.

Later on they did research on human DNA. By adding C21H20BrN3 they forced a strand to separate. Finding that the more Ethidium bromide they applied the more photons where emitted. And lesser Ethidium bromide resulted in lesser photons. In other words: They discovered that DNA actually STORES LIGHT! And is the source of biophoton emissions!

I came across this research in a book called: The Field by Lynne McTaggart. It's on Amazon for $11.16
It's a must read!

Also, About the Coherence of Biophotons by Popp ('99): [link to www.lifescientists.de]
If you want to read details and conclusions from his study.

The answers are in science! Every time a scientist walks away from mainstream they come closer to the oneness of our universe. Closer to God by science is the next step in sociological evolution. The unification of religion and science.

Much love and light.

hf

I'm gonna finish reading this topic now, lol.
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"The answers are in science! Every time a scientist walks away from mainstream they come closer to the oneness of our universe. Closer to God by science is the next step in sociological evolution. The unification of religion and science."






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I hear a many voices to the tune of great knowledge.I do and still remain lightson sunglasses.PEACE 351 PEACE PLAN.
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bump

look at the thread on magnetite in the brain, relate to this, lots of info.

I remember a thread here a while ago about magnetic moods, how an MRI can and does inprove the moods in patients with bipolar disorder

puzzle pieces coming together.

carry on
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"The answers are in science! Every time a scientist walks away from mainstream they come closer to the oneness of our universe. Closer to God by science is the next step in sociological evolution. The unification of religion and science."






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Ditto! My concurrence exactly!
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bump

look at the thread on magnetite in the brain, relate to this, lots of info.

I remember a thread here a while ago about magnetic moods, how an MRI can and does inprove the moods in patients with bipolar disorder

puzzle pieces coming together.

carry on
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Makes you wonder if placing a magnet on your forehead would have similar effect.

I have done that and it felt weird in a good way.
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[link to www.merliannews.com]

Simply, we control what our cells do, be it consciously or unconsciously. The environment of the cell is even more crucial than the genetics behind it:

"In fact, only 5% of cancer and cardiovascular patients can attribute their disease to heredity. [Willett 2002] While the media made a big hoopla over the discovery of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 breast cancer genes, they failed to emphasize that ninety-five percent of breast cancers are not due to inherited genes. The malignancies in a significant number of cancer patients are derived from environmentally induced epigenetic alterations and not defective genes." (Lipton, pg 72)


In other words: "DNA does not control biology and the nucleus itself is not the brain of the cell. Just like you and me, cells are shaped by where they live. In other words, it's the environment..."(Lipton, pg 73)

When matter only exists in its tendency to exist, you’ll find that fewer conclusions can be written in stone. In a book that’s as funny as biology can be, though still reading inevitably close to a text book, Bruce Lipton redefines the cell and its inner workings with computer sciences and quantum physics that were not available when cells were first studied and “understood”. i.e.:

“At that early morning hour I was redefining my understanding of the structural organization of the membrane. Starting first with the lollipop-like phospholipid molecules and noting that they arranged in the membrane like regimented soldiers on parade in perfect alignment. By definition, a structure whose molecules are arranged in regular, repeated pattern is defined as a crystal. There are two fundamental types of crystals. The crystals that most people are familiar with are hard and resilient minerals like diamonds, rubies and even salt. The second kind of crystal has a more fluid structure even though its molecules maintain an organized pattern. Familiar examples of liquid crystals include digital watch faces and laptop computer screens.” (Lipton, pg89- 90)


Lipton was able to conclude that “the membrane is a liquid crystal”. Additionally, Lipton continues his defining by noting that only some things may pass through the membrane while others can not. “The membrane is a semiconductor”. Lastly, Lipton notes that a membrane has receptor or “gate” and channel molecules. “The membrane contains gates and channels”. Lipton’s final description of the membrane is “The membrane is a liquid crystal semiconductor with gates and channels.” This redefined cell is important because of it’s similarity in definition to a computer chip. “A crystal semiconductor with gates and channels”. In other words, cell membranes and computer chips are structurally and functionally equivalent. This hypothesis was confirmed in 1997 by an Australian research consortium headed by B.A.Cornell when they successfully turned a biological cell membrane into a digital-readout computer chip.
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Do you have a tummy ache? The solar plexus is our chakra (or energy packet) that distinguishes between the lower frequencies and higher frequencies, and would naturally be the "place" where such a battle may occur. Just thinking out loud. Certainly cannot offer a scientific answer to your question, but metaphysically, the "gut" seems to get the brutal effects of stress and frustration, as does the heart, the next chakra up.
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Great posting GP! All I would add is that the etheric field can also be 'felt', i.e. touched, because it pervades all. So, add touch to the sight and sound. Knowing about the existence of electro-magnetic plasma intelligence helps in this regard.

With love!
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"The answers are in science! Every time a scientist walks away from mainstream they come closer to the oneness of our universe. Closer to God by science is the next step in sociological evolution. The unification of religion and science."

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Metaphysics and Science Narrow the Gap.

A report on the springtime International Conference on Science and Consciousness that brought 52 scientists and practirioners together to review the status and implications of the convergence of science and metaphysics.
For half a millennium Western science and metaphysics have taken separate routes to learning, to the detriment of balanced human progress. The result is a society where technological and administrative prowess has far outstripped the psychological and ethical capacities to use it wisely. Recognizing that humans' beliefs about "truth" shape their behaviors, many writers now promote a reconvergence of science and metaphysics to save humanity from its materialistic myopia.

People realize that scientific "truths" like the following give rise to behaviors that alienate humans from each other, nature, and an inner morality: The universe's birth was a random event; humans developed from an unconscious process of accidental evolution; a few immutable physical laws (Newton's gravity, Einstein's relativity, etc.) govern all reality; and consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain that arose by chance. If such "truths" were the basis of eternal reality, we could not expect more from beings who are only accidental mutations in a "dog-eat-dog" universe.

However, new research indicates those 19th and 20th century "truths" are not consistent with the facts. Modern science has focused on the physical realm, breaking matter into smaller and smaller bits and electronically seeking the edges of the material universe. But, as scientists delved deeper into subatomic particles, quanta of energy, and nanobes (organisms 200 billionths of a meter in size), they discovered a more fundamental reality composed of invisible patterns susceptible to manipulation by non-local consciousness. Its existence points to a preexisting order, implying conscious design--the inner, formerly exclusive domain of metaphysics. Cosmic consciousness appears to be the underlying force of creation and humans have enough of it to be co-creators of local reality.

It is important to publicly follow and widely reinforce these developments. The International Conference on Science and Consciousness, organized by the Message Company in Albuquerque, NM in April 1999, brought 52 scientists and practitioners together, with about 600 participants, to review the state of research on consciousness and its implications for humanity.

The challenge to the conference, and the "science/metaphysics convergence" movement in general, is to find ways to integrate two mutually exclusive ways of knowing: Experimental-protocol truth of the scientific method versus the unsubstantial truth of human feelings and beliefs. Two assumptions that transcend these polarities appeared to underpin the conference: (1) "Acknowledged truth" must be verifiable through widely shared human examination and (2) "universal theories" must encompass the full range of human experience. These principles distinguished participants from fundamentalists in both science and metaphysics; the former will not deal with "paranormal" or "anomalous" phenomena and the latter will not test their views through the rigors of experiential validation. By being honest about what they truly know, in contrast to what they believe, these serious scientists and metaphysicians entertained new hypotheses.

Taking that approach, the physicists at the conference incorporated the possibility of consciousness into models of the universe. By stretching current concepts of the electromagnetic spectrum (E/M-S) to include as yet-unrecognized areas called subtle magnetic forces (William Tiller), biofields (Beverly Rubik), consciousness-cum-light (Peter Russell), or vital energies (Amit Goswami) they formulated hypotheses accounting for the "paranormal and anomalous." These are subject to third party validation.

Although tied to their theoretical base (after all, E/M-S is the core of Western science), these scientists extrapolated from it to more subtle realms. That framework makes it reasonable to hypothesize the physical realm (as E/M forces) is only part of a larger spectrum containing subtle energies and consciousness. Assuming E/M is on the grosser and less malleable end of that spectrum leads to consideration of the view held by mystics: Conscious intent, on the higher end of this universal spectrum, comes first. Subtle energies fall somewhere in between. The schema is not unlike that of wave patterns collapsing into particles first, then forming gas that turns into liquids before they can freeze solid. In this context the E/M realm appears as a derivative rather than a source of consciousness.

As metaphysicians, scholars in religion and philosophy offered the perennial perspectives of East (Shinzen Young) and West (Huston Smith and Robert Forman). They start from the other end of the spectrum, assuming that an act of creative consciousness resulted in our physical universe and that among several forces intent is the most powerful. Meeting the physicists extended hand (through their fuzzy spectrum concepts) they suggested ways to test assumptions through human experience. Philosophers (Christian de Quincy and Bernardo Monserrat) encouraged balancing the human faculty for open-minded, rational analysis with faith in conscious intent.

True ground breakers in the convergence movement, however, are practitioners whose work with humans involve both the material body and immaterial mind and feelings. (Allan Combs-neuropsychologist, Joyce Kovelman-anatomy/psychology, Larry LeShan-mind/body health, Paul Pearsall-psychoneuroimmunologist, Glen Rein-biochemistry, Elisabet Sahtouris-evolution biologist, and Leonard Shlain-surgeon/researcher.) Presenters like them monitor the interaction of conscious intent with specific conditions and chronicle its influence on physical behaviors from the cellular to the organismic. They accumulate evidence of the power of consciousness and suggest practical ways to test new hypotheses. Half the presenters were practitioners, including humanistic and transpersonal psychologists, involved in the field testing of new knowledge and techniques in ways that benefit individuals and organizations.

Serving as professional catalysts were the interdisciplinary thinkers who see the implications of research in one field for others. (Edgar Mitchell scientist/astronaut/explorer of noetics, Brian Swimme-mathematical cosmologist, Brian O'Leary-astronomy/space science/consciousness, Norman Friedman-physics/engineering/philosophy, Allan Combs systems/neuropsychologist, and Ken Cox-science/humanities.) They wove together frontier research into patterns that point to new understanding of the whole. Following them, beyond reporting on my research on the subtle senses, I described the emerging story of this convergence and sketched its likely implications for personal and institutional change.

The conference demonstrated significant progress in being made at the conceptual and research levels, but consciousness expansion through new mind/body practices leads the theory building.
[link to www.lightworks.com]
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Yeah...you wonder where thoughts come from? Are they a bi-product of the brain and its chemistry and firing capabilities? If so, how does the brain think to think? Seems rather paradoxical to attribute the brain with this capability, doesn't it?

No, there has to a be a Universal MIND, where our brain goes fishing for thoughts. Once we have caught a thought, we can store it with other "like" thoughts, which in essence will multiply and flavor our belief systems.

It's funny that in the Bible God said to go and multiply. He didn't say, "add this or subtract this." And, furthermore, God "divided" while we were told to multiply. This indicates that everything already is. What already is, can be divided and/or multiplied, but nothing is added or subtracted.

Just a little food for thought, here... :-)
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Yeah...you wonder where thoughts come from?
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In this book, Jaynes theorizes that ancient consciousness was radically different from modern consciousness. He suggests that ancient human beings had no sense of an interior, directing self. Rather, they accepted commands from what appeared to them to be an externalized agency, which they obeyed blindly, without question.

This externalized self was a consequence of the split between the two halves of the brain. Jaynes suggests that the left and right brains were not integrated—"unicameral"—they way they are today. Rather, the ancient brain was "bicameral," with the two brains working essentially independently of each other. The left half of the brain, the logical, language-using half, generated ideas and commands, which the right brain then obeyed. These commands were subjectively perceived by the right brain as coming from "outside"—as if a god was speaking.

Jaynes adduces evidence for this astonishing hypothesis from several sources. One is the "voices" heard by schizophrenic patients, which Jaynes interprets as a throwback to the bicameral mind of ancient times. Another is evidence from neurosurgery, where patients hear "voices" upon having their brains electrically stimulated. Another is the polytheistic gods of ancient civilizations, which spoke directly and intimately to individuals:

"Who then were these gods who pushed men about like robots and sang epics through their lips? They were voices whose speech and directions could be as distinctly heard by the Iliadic heroes as voices are heard by certain epileptic and schizophrenic patients...The gods were organizations of the central nervous system"(73-4).

Jaynes suggests that each person had his own individual "god", which always told them what to do. The theory further accounts for why the gods were so naturalistic and anthropomorphic, rather than supernatural and otherworldly.

Where did the gods go, then? Jaynes proposes that a series of unprecedented environmental stresses in the second millennium B.C. forced the two halves of the brain to merge into unicamerality. (This was a cultural, rather than a biological, transformation, Jaynes notes.) The stresses might have included natural disasters (the story of the Flood comes to mind), population growth, forced migrations, warfare, trade, and the development of writing. A common denominator among all these is the introduction of complexity and difference, things the bicameral mind deals with only with difficulty. Jaynes suggests, among other things, that traders in contact with other cultures might have been forced to develop a "protosubjective consciousness" to cope with the gods of unfamiliar people.

Jaynes suggests that the unprecedented stresses of the 2nd millennium B.C. forced the individual into isolation, within which a sense of I-ness appeared to fill the void left by the inadequacy of the god. This hypothesis posits a relatively homogeneous and stress-free existence prior to the development of consciousness. In short, Jaynes must posit that there really was an Eden, from which humanity Fell.

To establish the gods' disappearance, Jaynes cites a number of illustrations and cuneiform tablets dating from Sumerian times. He shows a stone-carven image of the King of Assyria kneeling in supplication before an empty throne, from which his god is conspicuously absent. The accompanying cuneiform script reads, "One who has no god, as he walks along the street,/ Headache envelopes him like a garment." Another tablet reads,

My god has forsaken me and disappeared,

My goddess has failed me and keeps at a distance.

The good angel who walked beside me has departed.

Jaynes interprets this as evidence of a new subjectivity in Mesopotamia. The bicameral mind has begun to collapse into the modern unicameral mind of the self-willed, self-aware "I", and as a consequence the gods no longer speak to people, as they did in the days of old (223).

These lamentations sound remarkably like the nam-shubs mentioned in Snow Crash.

The nam-shubs also mourn something precious, and speak of confusion and loss. It is not at all hard to guess that the loss of bicameral tranquility may have been accompanied by unprecedented linguistic disruption (irrespective of any causal relationship between the two.) The Tower of Babel story—which the nam-shubs strongly resemble—may have happened at a time when bicamerality was breaking down.

Be this historical truth or not (and the thesis has not been widely accepted), Jaynes has fashioned a brilliant myth of human origins. Like the authors of Snow Crash and Macroscope, Jaynes reaches far back into the past for an authentic story of a Fall from wholeness. And like them, he reaches specifically for Mesopotamian myth.

[link to deoxy.org]

In psychology, bicameralism is a controversial hypothesis which argues that the human brain once assumed a state known as a bicameral mind in which cognitive functions are divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking," and a second part which listens and obeys.

The term was coined by psychologist Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in the 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, wherein he made the case that the bicameral mentality was the normal state of the human mind everywhere as recently as 3000 years ago. He used governmental bicameralism metaphorically to describe this state, exemplifying his theoretical postulate that language (and thus thought) expands by the use of metaphors. This claim has not been widely accepted.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No, there has to a be a Universal MIND, where our brain goes fishing for thoughts.
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And what happens between the fishing for thought 1 and thought 2?
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Cool Darza, and where does everything is known before it happens come from? I can see the pope votes for that. The universal mind would do what we do, react to events as the events manifest. Not do both , be the event before it happens, react to the event after it happens. Play with yourself sure, but universal mind not stupid or pointless. Sounds like an old god concept?
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In this book, Jaynes theorizes that ancient consciousness was radically different from modern consciousness. He suggests that ancient human beings had no sense of an interior, directing self. Rather, they accepted commands from what appeared to them to be an externalized agency, which they obeyed blindly, without question.

This externalized self was a consequence of the split between the two halves of the brain. Jaynes suggests that the left and right brains were not integrated—"unicameral"—they way they are today. Rather, the ancient brain was "bicameral," with the two brains working essentially independently of each other. The left half of the brain, the logical, language-using half, generated ideas and commands, which the right brain then obeyed. These commands were subjectively perceived by the right brain as coming from "outside"—as if a god was speaking.
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Oh my gosh, I have this bicameral article bookmarked, as I thought it was very impressive! It really makes sense to me. I really think that Jaynes' theory has merit, and the Ancients didn't have a connection between the two sides of their brains.

What must be contemplated, imho, is how are the thoughts generated to begin with? Is it cause and effect, i.e. being faced with a problem and then "reacting" to the external problem? That seems to suggest there is an effect before the cause. Do you understand what I mean?

An example of my query: is it... "I think, therefore, I am"....or is it "I am, therefore I think.
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No, there has to a be a Universal MIND, where our brain goes fishing for thoughts.


And what happens between the fishing for thought 1 and thought 2?
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Well, there's CAUSE and EFFECT. Can't have one without the other...in this world anyway.


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Thread: "Third Eye", Pineal gland and magnets experiment



Thread: Magnets make brain grow - TMS


A couple pertinent threads here to keep us on track. I think the connector between th esides of the brain is in the electrical impulse between the pineal and fornax is the key, is it a magnet, or better yet activation of magnetite in our brains?

this was a cryptic message I got a few years ago:



"Make the eletrical connection(arc) between the pineal and fornax, and you will have the answer you seek."

How can we do this?
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Hi Greenley Paige, love talking to you. Think this.

Lateral thinking and technology in the last 100 years found that 99.99999% of everything is plasma. This means every assumption ever in human history, based on the wrong thing. Cause was never known. No effect ever observed was caused by what humanity thought it was. A Plasma universe has different physics. Everything that can not happen in Newtonion universe does happen in a Plasma one. History now completly different. Nothing fits because it can not when cause unknown, everything is wrong. Nothing to think about. Over the next couple of years the knowledge becomes overwhelming. Then past ,present and at last a viable future just rise out of the void. All fits. All heaven.
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Interesting Femto,

I like the concepts with the plasma universe theory, need to study it harder.

thanks.

What is the soul made of? Maybe an "electromagnetic plasma". What is it's
physics? If it is a propulsion vehicle for a conscious entity does it possess
negative gravity(when unaltered) Good question? Any constructive answers out
there. How does the consciousness connect with the soul? Does the
consciousness have a different physics than that of the soul? Any ideas? Also
what are thoughts--patterns of light? What creates them?
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Sorry for off topic ICF.
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Wow, just found this thread. Haven't had a chance to read everything, but sounds like some very interesting research. Of course man, along with all existence, is pure energy (light, if one wants to define it that way). How we perceive energy is what gives texture and shape to our world.

I find it very interesting that the double-helix structure acts as a sort of non-linear accelerator. I sometimes drop into a state of consciousness where I can "see" the energy universe, and always wondered what the mechanism was, other than calling it a qi state or a mystical experience. This gives a hint of where to explore.

Thank you for posting this. See you along the journey.
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this was a cryptic message I got a few years ago:



"Make the eletrical connection(arc) between the pineal and fornax, and you will have the answer you seek."

How can we do this?
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The Fornax is a constellation.


Have you posted that before because it sounds familiar.


damned
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Thread: "Third Eye", Pineal gland and magnets experiment



Thread: Magnets make brain grow - TMS


A couple pertinent threads here to keep us on track. I think the connector between th esides of the brain is in the electrical impulse between the pineal and fornax is the key, is it a magnet, or better yet activation of magnetite in our brains?

this was a cryptic message I got a few years ago:



"Make the eletrical connection(arc) between the pineal and fornax, and you will have the answer you seek."

How can we do this?
 Quoting: ICF


Sounds like YOU are to become both the OBSERVER and the wave/particle photon. You know, like in quantum physics which requires an observer to collapse a photon in its wave-function into an observable particle sort of thing?

Sounds like you had an epiphany, ICF!

Maybe it all has to do with the PLASMA of which Femto speaks? I must read up on Plasma, methinks!!


hf
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The military wanted to see how far away they could separate the donor from his DNA and still get this effect. They stopped testing after they separated the DNA and the donor by 50 miles and STILL had the SAME result. The DNA and the donor had the same identical responses.

It means that life everywhere communicates through the electromagnetic cosmic field.


Yes,...this has been documented in the book "The Field" as well as others.

We are all connected to each other and the universe entire.

We simply do not know how to make use of it.

Damn the military.


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We're not merely "connected" to the universe and to each other. We ARE the universe and every one in it. There are no separate individuals anywhere to be found. Ultimately, there is only "I" -- Pure Being, Awareness, Self. All arises within us. Then, as it arises, we pick an arbitrary point of view, imagining we are a separate "somebody" -- i.e. "I am John Doe". With this misidentification with the body-mind organism called "John Doe" we appear to enter *into* the universe. However, that is only one arbitrary point of reference chosen from infinite possibilities. We could have just as easily chosen to identify with a rock, a tree, Jane Doe or the sun. All these exist within Awareness and all are accessible as temporary "identities" through attention and the resulting identification ("You become what you think about").

Nothing and no one exist outside of our own consciousness.

There are infinite universes created by the infinite characters we create within our Infinite Self.

Read Vasisthas Yoga if you want to lift a veil or two.

DNA is thought. It does not merely "respond" to consciousness -- it IS consciousness.

The truth is, we don't need to study or research any of this. We can *experience* the truth of Reality *directly* by simply turning 180 degrees to face Reality/Self whenever we think to. This "looking" at what is always HERE quickly reveals how imaginary this universe truly is and who we truly are -- Infinite Beingness ONLY.
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Is not your brain really a torsion wave transmitter and receiver entering in/out of still points; magnetic full body moments where velocity, spin, and angle, (a kind of cosmic free will electron vector point), meet in anti graviton vacuum plasma fields? Are these not pure creative, magnetic love moments, capable of pure cosmic love or stem cell fusion? Are you not already having gamma ray, (solar flares), or cosmic creative ray bursts of ideas or realizations in your own brain, and is this not what stars do also? Do you think then that your body is remembering and learning to become its own new star seed again, or even one day its own new sun Source? Imagine That, life wave carriers!

[link to www.bbsradio.com]

chanelled, but cool message here.





GLP