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Iron Butterfly Member Disappears After Working on Faster-Than-Light Communication/Travel

 
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was just talking about this with my mom and wondered how many here actually knew or have heard about him

if not, you owe it to yourself to at least should know of this story, as it was on Oprah, Unsolved Mysteries, America's Most Wanted, KTLA, and in various newspapers even a congressman urged the FBI to look into his vanishing

Philip 'Taylor' Kramer rock star bassist & mathematical genius/aerospace engineer worked at Northrop on the MX missile project. A student of theoretical physics, he pursued particles and equations that he believed would someday permit objects to move faster than the speed of light "warp speed" making possible travel to the stars.

He vanished on February 12th, 1996. The circumstances surrounding it has been the subject of many tv shows. Just days before he disappeared, Kramer and his father believed they had worked out a mathematical breakthrough, says Iron Butterfly band co-founder Ron Bushy, "We're talking 'Beam me up Scotty' time."

This may be the key to cracking the light-speed problem. It could make possible instantaneous transmission of matter
and data to any point in the universe.

The Equation, his father Ray Kramer says, combines the work of science's greatest minds: Newton, Einstein, Planck and Fermi. Relativity, quantum mechanics, quarks: It's all here, but no one else has put it all together

In May 1999, two hikers discovered Kramers 1993 Ford Aerostar van at the bottom of a Malibu, Calif., ravine. Skeletal remains found inside and near the vehicle were confirmed through dental records to be those of Kramer.

we will ever know the truth?
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Wow!
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"someone" obviously killed him
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I know where he is...in the Garden of Eden
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in the garden of eden baby
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Somebody has to do it..

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"In May 1999, two hikers discovered Kramers 1993 Ford Aerostar van at the bottom of a Malibu, Calif., ravine. Skeletal remains found inside and near the vehicle were confirmed through dental records to be those of Kramer."

And driving off into the ravine by accident is too far fetched?
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he must have traveled to the past in his aerostar and fell out, leaving only his bones to find!
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Somebody has to do it..

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Anyone remember that in the David Ickes :Revelations of A mother Goddess, she spoke about an old lead singer of Iron Butterfly being involved in Satanic abuse or something....can anyone recall the exact details without having to dig it all up?
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The Equation, his father Ray Kramer says, combines the work of science's greatest minds: Newton, Einstein, Planck and Fermi. Relativity, quantum mechanics, quarks: It's all here, but no one else has put it all together

will we ever know the truth?
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Sounds like the father knew alot about the formula and worked with him on it. Why doesn't he take this info and release it?
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Ford Aerostars were never designed to move that fast, much less fly, so when he tried to take off in it, it crashed..THIS is a sign of genius???
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Yes I did hear of this story years ago about Taylor Kramer. I whole hardily believe that he was murdered. If he stumbled upon sensitive information that would have astronomical implications, TPTB would be more than willing to silence him. Anything that could be developed and used to free us from the grips of our oppressors would be considered a death wish if revealed. I truly believe that key scientists like Taylor have been murdered in the past for similar reasons. I don't know if we would ever know the truth about Taylor and hope someday that I'm wrong. He was a wonderful person, scientist and musician. God bless you Taylor.
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Oh please.

Sounds like Phil Taylor just took one too many acid trips.
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Oh, I forgot to mention--Taylor wasn't even an original member of Iron Butterfly. He joined in 1974, long after the band had become has-beens.
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bump-o
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isn't his dad a math genuis?
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The Equation, his father Ray Kramer says, combines the work of science's greatest minds: Newton, Einstein, Planck and Fermi. Relativity, quantum mechanics, quarks: It's all here, but no one else has put it all together

will we ever know the truth?


Sounds like the father knew alot about the formula and worked with him on it. Why doesn't he take this info and release it?
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'Cause they found the body?
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The Equation, his father Ray Kramer says, combines the work of science's greatest minds: Newton, Einstein, Planck and Fermi. Relativity, quantum mechanics, quarks: It's all here, but no one else has put it all together

will we ever know the truth?


Sounds like the father knew alot about the formula and worked with him on it. Why doesn't he take this info and release it?
 Quoting: Shady 310880

i remember his father went on a news program saying the world was not ready for this equation due to the circumstances surrounding his son's death
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sounds like your typical faulty flux capacitor to me. i've seen it before...
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Removed video due to terms of use violation.

I tell ya... YOUTUBE is fucked.
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saw a doc stating the last day he was calling to say if anything happened to him he was murdered. his last call was on the 101 fwy i believe.
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So is there more speculation that makes sense, or is it just dismissed as an accident? How are they claiming he got to the bottom of the ravine?
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Yep he definitely knew something and was spooked to the point of being scared.

Another mystery buried with a dead body.
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"someone" obviously killed him
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OH?.............Really then?
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Airport parking records show he was there for 45 minutes, then for some reason left without meeting Martini. He dialed his old friend Ron Bushy and left a message: “Bush, I love you more than life itself.” He called his wife and said, “I’ve got the biggest surprise for you.” Altogether he made 17 cell phone calls, the last to 911.

“This is Philip Taylor Kramer.”

“Uh-huh. This is 911. Can I help you, sir?”

“Yes, you can. I’m going to kill myself. And I want everyone to know O.J. Simpson is innocent. They did it.”

And he hung up. It was the last call he would ever make.

Ray Kramer(Philip's father) quickly stepped forward to debunk the 911 call. Years before, he revealed, Taylor had told him that if he were ever in trouble, he would call 911 and say that he was going to commit suicide. It was, Ray insisted, a coded message that he was under the control of others

“I think somebody had a gun to his head and said, ‘Make these calls, make it look like suicide,’” says Bushy. “After his breakthrough in this communication thing, the world would be a different place. We wouldn’t need land lines, microwaves, or satellites.” He concludes, softly: “It could have been one of the big phone companies that did it.”
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... in the early ’60s, his father, Ray, an engineering professor at Ohio State University, began an obsessive theoretical quest to help mankind conquer the boundaries of time and space. “Using the formula I discovered,” he claims to this day, “you could reach the outer limits of the universe in less than a second.”

His greatest achievement, he says, is his Universal Equation, which promises to solve many of physics’ most intractable mysteries—a meta-theory that ties together black holes, quarks, and quantum mechanics into one all-encompassing package. With it, he says, gravity waves can transmit info at 16 times the speed of light—a potentially earth-shattering achievement that conventional science declares strictly impossible
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