Many people out there seem to claim that Alex Jones is, indeed, a CIA operative or a Vatican Shill or this and that and Bill Hicks. Whatever. To be honest, I don't care right now.
But what I want to do is simply ask those of you out there - who actually believe that Alex Jones is a fraud - to explain what purposes this would have.
Because we can all argue the "evidence" to no end, but what many are wondering is this:
for what purpose would this serve?
I have started thinking about this more and more, not because I particularly care about whether or not its true but instead because I want to know what such things could mean and to what effect it could have.
This is where I start to worry. Because even though I never really *liked* Alex Jones, I respected him and figured he was only telling the truth as "he saw it." For all I know, that could still be true. But now I'm starting to see that he, indeed, fills a role and I believe that if he didn't exist - "they" - would create him.. in a heartbeat. It's simple. It's strategic.
My reasoning is purely based on the fact that every ruling party in the history of mankind has sought to "lead" the opposing movement. It is a natural, predictable result of "war". Look at what our CIA has done for years. Look to history, it's all there.
So I have my own opinions about *why* this would be done, but I really wanted to see if I could get other opinions..
Here's a few to chew on:
1. He is used to "centralize" the movement, and ultimately lead it to its demise.
2. His personality serves to re-affirm those who don't believe (because they can call him a "kook") while at the same serving as a "filler" for those who do believe.
3. He is simply collecting names and turning them over to "them"
The idea for an Alex Jones-type "angry prophet" goes back over 30 years
There's a reason why clips of Howard Beale (Bee-El – God of the Bees) were shown twice in the movie. "Zeitgeist" is another example of an "an angry prophet denouncing the hypocrisies of our times". It's also an example of hiding things in plane site and poisoning the well because those who can't handle the religious section or the 9/11 section will tune out to the third section about fiat money, Iraq, and the North American Union (and that's the most important part).
In the 1976 movie "Network", Howard Beale was put on TV to be an "an angry prophet denouncing the hypocrisies of our times." We find out from his network's program director that Beale is on TV to articulate the American people's rage for them. Could there be a better description of Alex Jones?
In the movie, before Beale becomes an angry prophet, Beale's program director, who describes herself as "a racist lackey of the imperialist ruling circles" is looking for an Alex Jones-type, here's why:
"Listen, I sent you all a concept analysis report yesterday. Did any of you read it?
(apparently not)
Well, in a nutshell, it said the American people are turning sullen. They've been clobbered on all sides by Vietnam, Watergate, the inflation, the depression. They've turned off, shot up, and they've fucked themselves limp. And nothing helps. Evil still triumphs over all, Christ is a dope-dealing pimp, even sin turned out to be impotent. The
whole world seems to be going nuts and flipping off into space like an abandoned balloon. So -- this concept analysis report concludes -- the American people want somebody to articulate their rage for them. I've been telling you people since I took this job six months ago that I want angry shows. I don't want conventional programming on this network. I want counter-culture. I want anti-establishment."
We can conclude from the movie "Network" that TPTB realized long ago that Alex Jones-types are necessary in America. Why? It's because they "articulate our rage for us", they "denounce the hypocrisies of our times"... all so we don't have to. They do it all for us, they lead a simulated resistance that goes nowhere because they scream and yell for us and as a result we do nothing. What happens when an Alex Jones-Howard Beale-type actually threatens TPTB and their system...? The movie “Network” covers that too. I’ll just say that after watching the movie “Network” you'll understand why people like Alex Jones are allowed to stay on the air... the system NEEDS THEM.
If you can't watch the movie, you may find reading the script to be very worthwhile and I opening:
[link to corky.net]
I was just thinking about the name "Beale"... If you speak it slowly, doesn't it sound like "Bee-El", God of the bees?
Alex Jones documentary on 9/11 (rise of the police state) was the first thing i watched, and was the beginning of my own personal quest for truth.. so i owe him that much..
Im sure there are many reasons.. if he is not a fraud, then he is just heavily biased and not as smart as he appears to make himself out to be..
Here are some of my reasons why he is a fraud:
-Refuses to acknowledge evidence of exotic weaponary used on 9/11. Evidence clearly indicates this.
-Refuses to acknowledge Israeli involvement in 9/11
-Refuses to acknowledge corporate media manipulation in 9/11, also known as TV Fakery, for which there is a mountain of evidence
He is self appointed co-leader of the 9/11 truth movement... yet at the same time is holding back research into the areas i mentioned by refusing to mention them/promote them in the same way he promotes other ideas, like remote boeing theory or thermate.
What is his purpose by being a fraud?:
-To keep people fearful and angry at the government, politicians and other powerful men. Rather than state the fucking obvious that we NEED to change the system and our way of life as a species, he keeps us focused on the "us vs them", a classic divide and conquer strategy. They are "evil", "satanic", they are no longer human.. rather than consider why/how they got involved, he just labels them.
-To act as an "information gatekeeper". By editing out certain ideas, adding some in etc, one can manipulate a person/s train of thought, and over time, push them in a certain direction for whatever purpose necessary. An example would be not mentioning the Vatican and organized religions role in the New World Order, in order to shield them, and deflect blame onto other parties, like the Zionists (which they hope will expand into outright hating against Jews)
Alex never offers any solutions.. its just "we must beat these guys".. "defeat the new world order"..
Yeh, so.. then what? We will still be in a fucked up position, if not more fucked up then it is already.. with no authority, those who are barbarian types will seek to fill the void.. whats needed is change starting with the individual, a revolution in thinking.
Alex is useful for information regarding the New World Order, but his overall perspective is not accurate at all. The wiping out of 80% of the Earths population makes no fucking sense at all when tied in with other pieces of information, like free energy for example..
Sadly, the vast majority, if not all mainstream conspiracy theorists are frauds..
If they were telling the truth/not sanctioned to operate by the elite, they would be fucking dead by now..
Religion is about to become very important relative to the recent past. So far we've seen the growth of the state and corporation in the iron triangle of societal control. So I am very interested in the idea that Alex Jones is working on behalf of the Catholics or Talmudic Jews.
The church is about to step up and we are already seeing the battle lines drawn in the presidential primaries
btw- this is cross posting and I apologize in advance, but now that the Kennedy family has endorsed Obama I think the interesting phase of the election has begun.
We are stealthily moving past the realm of secular politics and moving into a marriage of politics and religion.
Don't believe me? Look at the candidates for whom religion has crept into their campaigns in some shape or form:
Obama- Catholic [through the Kennedys and possibly Pole Zbigniew Brezinski] and Muslim [association by name and perhaps heritage]
Romney- Mormon
Huckabee- Protestant
McCain- Jewish/Zionist [through getting the blessing of the NeoCons]
And for the more secular minded:
Clinton-Worship of power/worship of self [with some twinges of Methodism, I think]
Paul- Freemasonry [through support of Mason-created Constitution and Declaration of Independence]
This isn't to say that these people are part of the establishment [or even members] of these religions/organizations. I have questions about Huckabee and Romney. It's more that people of a certain mindset when it comes to religion are going to gravitate around people based on religious/spiritual factors many of which are considered "off limits" for the press.
Also consider that the highly organized Catholic and Mormon religions have vast, tightly controlled financial wealth that will come into play in the event of disaster- people will congregate to the organization that they think can "save" them whether that be their big corporation, their government or their large wealthy church. These groups have been fighting each other by stealth for ages but I feel that soon the conflict will be out in the open and we'll be expected to pick sides.
Many people out there seem to claim that Alex Jones is, indeed, a CIA operative or a Vatican Shill or this and that and Bill Hicks. Whatever. To be honest, I don't care right now.
But what I want to do is simply ask those of you out there - who actually believe that Alex Jones is a fraud - to explain what purposes this would have.
Because we can all argue the "evidence" to no end, but what many are wondering is this:
for what purpose would this serve?
I have started thinking about this more and more, not because I particularly care about whether or not its true but instead because I want to know what such things could mean and to what effect it could have.
This is where I start to worry. Because even though I never really *liked* Alex Jones, I respected him and figured he was only telling the truth as "he saw it." For all I know, that could still be true. But now I'm starting to see that he, indeed, fills a role and I believe that if he didn't exist - "they" - would create him.. in a heartbeat. It's simple. It's strategic.
My reasoning is purely based on the fact that every ruling party in the history of mankind has sought to "lead" the opposing movement. It is a natural, predictable result of "war". Look at what our CIA has done for years. Look to history, it's all there.
So I have my own opinions about *why* this would be done, but I really wanted to see if I could get other opinions..
Here's a few to chew on:
1. He is used to "centralize" the movement, and ultimately lead it to its demise.
2. His personality serves to re-affirm those who don't believe (because they can call him a "kook") while at the same serving as a "filler" for those who do believe.
3. He is simply collecting names and turning them over to "them"
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 364168
makes you kind of wonder about this website, too.
but another thing is that those in power cant control everything. There will always be people and groups seeking to be the top dog. So maybe Alex Jones is a CIA operative and maybe he is a double agent. All groups are battling even if they are working together in the same system.
I don't know if he's a shill, or for who, but the whole reptilian thing was definately designed to woowooize the Illuminati theory.
Think about it, you tell someone about the Illuminati, they google it, come up with a bunch of crap about a lizard race, and well, now you know why it's still considered a "conspiracy theory".
The Saturnian forces of law, order, and oppression do not hesitate to retaliate and quell the Spirit of Rebellion. The agents of Saturnian, Solar and Martian energy (the governments, educational edifices, and official religions, etc) do know, however, that there are many long-term benefits to be gained from permitting short-term “angst-release” from the “Under-Classes” they manipulate and control. This is why there have been, in the past, certain high-profile bouts of rebellion and fleeting chaotic flickers of anarchy from the disenchanted and malcontented within society. As ex-rebels James Simon Kunen (Columbia University Activist) and Jerry Kirk (Black Panthers) will be only too happy to inform us, there are two main forms of rebellion - the soft and the hard. There is the “designer” or “chic” version that serves, in the long run, to reinforce the established status quo. Then there is the authentic and radical form that attempts, and occasionally succeeds, in countering and demolishing the rotten status quo. The masses of discontented and inwardly discomfited who consider themselves as being “against the system” (and this includes the majority of pseudo-Communists, pseudo-Anarchists, and so on) are usually of the first variety and are, therefore, easily duped and led. More often than not these soft-rebels are also highly duplicitous types, narcissistic and devious, desiring only to seize the reigns of power for themselves. After all, how many Stalins, Castros, Maos, and Mugabes of the world begin as fierce, zealous “opponents” of the status quo only to later become the fiercest and most zealous of oppressors? As William Blake wrote: "...the fist that crushes the tyrants head becomes a tyrant in the tyrant’s stead." So, although the masters of the game may occasionally permit this soft designer-rebelliousness, they are ever vigilant against the true hard form should it ever threaten to appear.
They are dangerous because there are so many of them. It is one thing to have a few nuts or dissidents. They can be dealt with, justly or otherwise, so that they do not pose a danger to the system. It is quite another situation when you have a true movement - millions of citizens believing something, particularly when the movement is made up of society’s average, successful citizens - William Colby (Late Director of CIA)
Where a majority are united by a common sentiment, and have an opportunity, the rights of the minor party become insecure. In a republican government the majority, if united, have always an opportunity. The only remedy is to enlarge the sphere" (that is, unite all the States under a federal government) "and thereby divide the community into so great a number of interests and parties that, in the first place, a majority will not be likely, at the same moment, to have a common interest separate from that of the whole, or of the minority; and, in the second place, that, in case they should have such an interest, they may not be so apt to unite in the pursuit of it - President James Madison (Elliot's Debates, Vol. 5)
That spirit of constructive resistance and rebellion was present in Mikhail Bakunin, William Blake, William Wallace, and Che Guevara, and in the modern comedians Bill Hicks and Lenny Bruce. It was found in Giordano Bruno and Soren Kierkegaard, in Ezra Pound, Ayn Rand, Wilhelm Reich and Jiddu Krishnamurti. It is the holy daemon about to possess many people in the world, many of whom would not, at this moment, consider themselves to be rebels with any cause. There are many sleeping heretics in the world and they are soon to be awakened. However, there are certain rules that come with the package and certain laws that the rational rebel must acknowledge and master. Authentic rebels know, for instance, that it is pointless and hypocritical to strive against external tyranny unless one has first combated their own inner repressive instincts and drives. The true rebel is not merely a rager against the machine or a campus malcontent. He is a student of oppression, repression, and slavery. He allows the forces he despises and opposes to be his best tutors and he observes these forces closely, in order to become minutely aware of their nature and behavior. He extrapolates and examines the anatomy of tyranny and comes to know cruelty, sadism, violence, injustice, and destruction intimately. The rebels who are going to matter and who will possess the rational power to affect proactive change are those who become “walking encyclopedias” of evil.
There is not a nuance of it that eludes them. Having walked through Hades, to emerge again, the Servant of Truth is supremely qualified to heal and revive the lost and ignorant people of the world. His power lies in his healthy attitude to the challenges of life and in his Spirit of Rebellion and Contradiction. His authority is a result of his psychological and attitudinal freedom, for it is this inner condition that exalts a man - even one whose body is bound in chains.
I use to love Alex. His Bohemian grove footage alone I thought was enough to class him as a patriotic hero.
Over time, listening to his show things don't seem to add up for me. We have to admit that he is a smart guy and does provide a fountain of info on his satanic globalists. I have a hard time upstanding why a guy as smart as Alex is, can dig up so much info, find so much truth and sees this huge part of what is really going on in this word, but yet he completely laughs off UFOs, 2012 or anything metaphysical. How can he see that so much of what we are taught is a lie to control us, but yet believes in the bible.
Just for him to laugh at UFOs in the same manner that many laugh at him is enough for me to not trust him, or at least admit he does not understand the larger picture. I for one am convinced that the UFO phenomena directs the decisions of the TPTB to an unknown degree.
Yet Alex has centralize the "Truth Movement" to equal 911 inside job and that's about it.
The truth movement should be a movement in understanding all of the mysteries that seem to be accumalating at this present time. I think Alex wakes a lot of people up but with the intention that they will then follow him. You owe Alex nothing, if he has awakened you to a grater truth than thank him but "keep on keepen on" do not jump from one Que straight into another.
I went thru the whole "is Alex CIA or something like that" myself a few years ago.
I researched the whole thing a lot. My conclusion is he is not attached to some government project.
One of the main non-conspiracy things that convinced me was this: Alex has a family. Operatives never operate with family. Period.
Both Alex and Cooper have families. Cooper was better at research and connecting the dots than Alex is. Cooper's Naval career had trained him to be a better researcher and Cooper was a "thinker". Alex is more of a "media" man. Making movies etc.
And just use your heart. Using your instinct in figuring things out is very important tool.
I use to love Alex. His Bohemian grove footage alone I thought was enough to class him as a patriotic hero.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 264954
You gotta ask yourself though.. did he really infiltrate the Grove? Or was he just let in.. to think that the secret service would not pick him out of the crowd is kinda silly. He also claimed not to have got any of the confrontations on film due to battery length..
That many powerful people in one place, to think that one man can just waltz on through..
As for your comments about metaphysical side of things, i completely agree. 9/11 was more than just a "insidejob", it was a spiritual event for all mankind. I know some people will find that offensive, but there is far more to that event than the surface picture.. it was a ritual involving the entire human race/mass consciousness.. people just don't understand how symbolism really works, and how it can be used to control people..
It also served as the "alpha and omega", the "beginning and the end".. the starting point for the final years when mankind is faced with a simple choice.. unify, or face destruction. Its just a case of whether we let "them" unify us, or we as a species unify together with the best interests of all.
The fact that Alex never mentions anything along those lines, yet is part of the "god squad" is highly suspicious..
The idea for an Alex Jones-type "angry prophet" goes back over 30 years
There's a reason why clips of Howard Beale (Bee-El – God of the Bees) were shown twice in the movie. "Zeitgeist" is another example of an "an angry prophet denouncing the hypocrisies of our times". It's also an example of hiding things in plane site and poisoning the well because those who can't handle the religious section or the 9/11 section will tune out to the third section about fiat money, Iraq, and the North American Union (and that's the most important part).
In the 1976 movie "Network", Howard Beale was put on TV to be an "an angry prophet denouncing the hypocrisies of our times." We find out from his network's program director that Beale is on TV to articulate the American people's rage for them. Could there be a better description of Alex Jones?
In the movie, before Beale becomes an angry prophet, Beale's program director, who describes herself as "a racist lackey of the imperialist ruling circles" is looking for an Alex Jones-type, here's why:
"Listen, I sent you all a concept analysis report yesterday. Did any of you read it?
(apparently not)
Well, in a nutshell, it said the American people are turning sullen. They've been clobbered on all sides by Vietnam, Watergate, the inflation, the depression. They've turned off, shot up, and they've fucked themselves limp. And nothing helps. Evil still triumphs over all, Christ is a dope-dealing pimp, even sin turned out to be impotent. The
whole world seems to be going nuts and flipping off into space like an abandoned balloon. So -- this concept analysis report concludes -- the American people want somebody to articulate their rage for them. I've been telling you people since I took this job six months ago that I want angry shows. I don't want conventional programming on this network. I want counter-culture. I want anti-establishment."
We can conclude from the movie "Network" that TPTB realized long ago that Alex Jones-types are necessary in America. Why? It's because they "articulate our rage for us", they "denounce the hypocrisies of our times"... all so we don't have to. They do it all for us, they lead a simulated resistance that goes nowhere because they scream and yell for us and as a result we do nothing. What happens when an Alex Jones-Howard Beale-type actually threatens TPTB and their system...? The movie “Network” covers that too. I’ll just say that after watching the movie “Network” you'll understand why people like Alex Jones are allowed to stay on the air... the system NEEDS THEM.
If you can't watch the movie, you may find reading the script to be very worthwhile and I opening:
[link to corky.net]
I was just thinking about the name "Beale"... If you speak it slowly, doesn't it sound like "Bee-El", God of the bees?
I think the reason Alex doesn't touch on UFOs or similar subjects is simply because the people have been conditioned to assume anyone speaking on such topics is a crazy, tin-foil hat wearing loon.
the only reason alex jones comes off as a kook is because it is hard to maintain your sanity when you figure it all out.
it would be a miracle if a very calm-minded person was able to spread the message that alex jones is spreading, but we don't have that (that i am aware of)
ron paul even comes off as a bit too energized because he KNOWS things...
I use to love Alex. His Bohemian grove footage alone I thought was enough to class him as a patriotic hero.
You gotta ask yourself though.. did he really infiltrate the Grove? Or was he just let in.. to think that the secret service would not pick him out of the crowd is kinda silly. He also claimed not to have got any of the confrontations on film due to battery length..
That many powerful people in one place, to think that one man can just waltz on through..
As for your comments about metaphysical side of things, i completely agree. 9/11 was more than just a "insidejob", it was a spiritual event for all mankind. I know some people will find that offensive, but there is far more to that event than the surface picture.. it was a ritual involving the entire human race/mass consciousness.. people just don't understand how symbolism really works, and how it can be used to control people..
It also served as the "alpha and omega", the "beginning and the end".. the starting point for the final years when mankind is faced with a simple choice.. unify, or face destruction. Its just a case of whether we let "them" unify us, or we as a species unify together with the best interests of all.
The fact that Alex never mentions anything along those lines, yet is part of the "god squad" is highly suspicious..
This has been some great discussion, guys.. Keep it coming.
Anybody know if Jones ever has been confronted on his radio show about some of the things mentioned in this thread?
By the way, I totally agree with the poster that said Alex Jones has pretty much lumped the Truth movement into one statement: "9/11 was inside job" - - this is one of my biggest problems with him also. His "us vs. them" theme is CONSTANT, nobody can deny that.
I figure he does more good than harm. Regardless of his bad points, many people attribute their awakening to watching a Alex Jones video, or his website or whatever.
You don't have to follow him like a prophet, just look to where he points, investigate for yourself and reach your own conclusions.
Anybody know if Jones ever has been confronted on his radio show about some of the things mentioned in this thread?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 364168
Yeh he has. I've heard a few clips, but they aren't on youtube.. least i can't find them. I recall someone asked about the Vatican, and another asked about Zionism, and in both cases Alex just started to rant and get angry.
I figure he does more good than harm. Regardless of his bad points, many people attribute their awakening to watching a Alex Jones video, or his website or whatever.
You don't have to follow him like a prophet, just look to where he points, investigate for yourself and reach your own conclusions.
That's that.
Quoting: EMF 353656
But not everyone is smart enough to think for themselves.. and alot of people dont want to either! They want someone to do it all for them..
Its not about the good points.. thats all irrelevant if he is not being completely honest with everyone anyway!
He actually does more harm than good.. so you know about the New World Order and the Bilderbergs... so fucking what? That does not mean you are awake.. it does not mean you are free anymore than those who don't know.. all it means is that you are now aware of the prison that surrounds you... and that IS dangerous, because not everyone can handle that revelation!
His purpose is to lead people into a dead end, to make people think there is no hope, and if they have hope, to channel it into areas which are futile efforts, like voting for Ron Paul or "Wearechange", both of which are nothing more than intelligence agency operations.
OP, the people who call Alex Jones a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor have a very obvious agenda.
There has been a feud going on between Alex Jones and Greg Szymanski the host of a radio show called Investigative Journal. The followers of Greg and a guy called Eric Phelps are the ones calling alex a vatican agent.
The whole situation is pretty complicated and I wont go into the many details unless you guys are interested.
But Greg was kicked off the radio because of Alex and now he has it in for him.
Ive listened to alot of Gregs shows to understand this situation.
The Investigative Journal is a Spiritual look at the SPIRITUAL leaders of the NWO.
While Alex's show is Secular and focuses on the many news aspects of this NWO Plot.
OP, the people who call Alex Jones a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor have a very obvious agenda.
Quoting: Xare
No agenda. I tell it how i see it.
If Alex was genuine or even close to the mark, he would be dead. You think they would just let him become co-leader of a powerful movement and hold a listener base of thousands? No. He is either way off the mark, or he works for them.
You don't get to pick and choose what you tell people. Its all or nothing. No doublespeek, no contradictions.. you tell people everything you know, not just portions, otherwise you are misleading people by not providing the entire picture.
To quote Alex,
"And i've found no one as bad as the, er, mental case 'catholics run it all' crew"
When in reality, the Vatican is infact the true head of the serpant, for it holds all the keys and information that can set humanity free. It is the centre of spiritual domination.
Washington = Military/Forceful Domination
London = Financial/Economic Domination
Rome = Spiritual Domination
The unholy trinity. All have there own seperate states (city of london, city of columbia, vatican city), which have their own laws and controls.
I've yet to hear Alex even mention the city within a city facts about washington london and rome. Or how America is owned by the Crown, and how in turn the commonwealth is controlled by Knights of Malta, which altogether means the Vatican has THE control base of power overall.
This page may be of interest to the OP and others who believe that either the Zionists, "satanic" cult, or some other group controls the world. The Vatican is the top of the Pyramid.
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Brazil
That is pretty much right on
South Africa