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McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap?
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evohead
User ID: 389004
7/31/2008 4:34 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Dear Knigtus, You Are insinuating I wasn't on the Forrestal The day of the fire. You are an insult to all the men that were there and our shipmates that died that day. People like you who rant and rave about things they know nothing about make me sick. You are so against Mc Cain you would believe any BS you hear to justify your means.He didn't crash 5 planes. One had a flamout,(I did too) One blew up on the Forrestal ( by no fault of his ) and one was shot down while serving heroically in the Vietnam Wall. He was also promoted to Captain and was going to be an Admiral but ran for the senate instead. Get your fact together or shut up. |
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himself
User ID: 476748
7/31/2008 5:02 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Dear Knigtus, You Are insinuating I wasn't on the Forrestal The day of the fire. You are an insult to all the men that were there and our shipmates that died that day. People like you who rant and rave about things they know nothing about make me sick. You are so against Mc Cain you would believe any BS you hear to justify your means.He didn't crash 5 planes. One had a flamout,(I did too) One blew up on the Forrestal ( by no fault of his ) and one was shot down while serving heroically in the Vietnam Wall. He was also promoted to Captain and was going to be an Admiral but ran for the senate instead. Get your fact together or shut up. Quoting: evohead 389004
Internet wise, you are fighting uphill.
As mark Twain said: " A lie can travel halfway around the world before th truth can get it's boots on."
Obama's campaign follows that principle.
McCain was hit by the rocket that started that Forrestal catastrophe.
That rocket was fired by another jet ready for launch.
McCain was just one of many victims.
>>Forrestal arrived on Yankee Station on July 25 and immediately began combat operations, her aircraft flying 150 sorties during the next 4 days, without the loss of a single aircraft. At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5 fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch. The ensuing fire caused ordinance to explode and other rockets to ignite. Spread by the wind, the flames engulfed the aft end of the stricken ship turning the flight deck into a blazing inferno.. Berthing spaces immediately below the flight deck became death traps for fifty men, while other crewmen were blown overboard by the explosion.<<
John McCain was the polot sitting in that parked A4D Skyhawk hit bey the missile the other airplane had fired!
Obama supporters run from truth like vampires from a crucifix.
I do Not support McCain (nor Obama) for President!
I DO support truth!
Truth works against6 both these NWO drones. |
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LOU DOBBS
User ID: 340476
7/31/2008 5:12 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
WHY WAS MCCAIN REMOVED FROM FORRESTAL WITHIN HOURS OF MISHAP(BY HIMSELF NO OTHER CREWMAN WITH HIM) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476785
7/31/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
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If you were there, were you aware that McCain crashed FIVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR aircraft--that this was just ONE--and got away with it? Do you know any other reverse aces who are allowed to continue to fly after that?
Were you aware that McCain became a pow as a Lt. Cmdr, and came back at the same rank, when he should have been promoted along with his peers, to Captain? Why? What's in his record that he was held back by TWO RANKS that WE don't know about?
Were you aware that he sang like a songbird--making THIRTY EIGHT video tapes for Radio Hanoi, one of which quotes him as having said: "Things are taking place in a favorable opinion. The United States at present seems to be standing alone. So much is its isolation". Can you even imagine the negative effect that had on our troops, on other POWs and on the sheer outcome of the war?
If you WERE THERE, then you were undoubtedly told what would have happened to YOU, according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, had you commited TREASON like that--YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT ON THE SPOT, wouldn't you?
Even IF McCain is just mightily unlucky [and graduating 4th from the bottom out of almost 900 Annapolis graduates indicates something other than bad luck], you don't want him to hold ANY job with an ounce of responsibility, much less continue to be an officer or pilot, much less RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
There's only ONE reason this moron is so "popular" now--his jewish wife is the daughter of a jewish mafia leader, Hensly, who works directly for Bronfman, who is now financing his campaign.
... Quoting: knightus 391128
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476748
7/31/2008 5:37 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
WHY WAS MCCAIN REMOVED FROM FORRESTAL WITHIN HOURS OF MISHAP(BY HIMSELF NO OTHER CREWMAN WITH HIM) Quoting: LOU DOBBS 340476
His daddy was an Admiral?
McCain was in the jet hit by that rocket.
NOT in th ejet that fired that rocket.
He did NOT initiate the disaster.
Navy cameras recorded the facts.
I would like McCain to be at fault, but facts prove he was not. |
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Enlilson 
The Sons of Enlil live.
User ID: 486323
8/24/2008 2:06 PM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 493609
8/29/2008 8:48 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I was on the Uss Forrestal during the fire. All you morons trying to blame senator McCain don't have a clue what you are talking about. A "wet start" couldn't have upset the F4 Pilot behind him because there was no F4 pilot behind him. The F4s were on the other side of the flight deck. It was my squadrons aircraft that shot the missle into McCains plane. His exhaust was hanging over the end of the flight deck. Quoting: evohead 389004 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496184
9/3/2008 3:49 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
The claim has been made:
"Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
"134 sailors were killed on the USS Forrestal in 1967.
It is believed by many crewmen and investigators that John McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts' shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' apparently 'cooked off' and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions."
[ link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496184
9/3/2008 3:54 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I was on the Uss Forrestal during the fire. All you morons trying to blame senator McCain don't have a clue what you are talking about. A "wet start" couldn't have upset the F4 Pilot behind him because there was no F4 pilot behind him. The F4s were on the other side of the flight deck. It was my squadrons aircraft that shot the missle into McCains plane. His exhaust was hanging over the end of the flight deck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 493609 |
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Youlyseas
User ID: 496184
9/3/2008 4:12 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I looked at the evidence. The Zuni rocket was triggered by static electricty and that a safety pin was not fully installed. You can see the five part video yourself. The Zuni T-boned the undercarraige of the row of A-4s.
Even if McCains'plane was 'wet started' his tailpipe was facing the ocean on the port side of the ship. So it couldn't have effected the row of F-4s which were on the starboard side of the ship, on the aft deck. Also, The F-4s would have launched first since their job was to go in and do air defense suppression.
My hunch is the jets were being started with outside aux. power, anyway. If a 'wet start shoots a flame out any distance such that it would hit another aircraft that would be grounds for court marshal and end a pilot's career.
I was a naval aviator, it's damn dangerous enough without putting more odds against man and ship full of fuel, explosives, and 4400 souls.
I'm voting for Obama, but we don't need to make up lies about McCain. Obama will be a terrific President.
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Mikaelam
User ID: 272356
9/3/2008 9:15 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I was aboard the Forrestal that day. I was 100' away from McCain's plane when the fire started. An F-4 on the other side of the flightdeck accidently had a Zuni rocket go off. It flew across the deck and hit McCain's A-4. As a result the belly tank fell off, broke open and the JP-4 ran down into the hot Cats and that ignited the fuel. The fire engulfed McCain's plane. He was lucky to get out alive. All you soothsayers who surmise other than the facts should be ashamed of yourselves as you shame the memory of those who died. You are a disgrace to humanity. |
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LOGGY'S DOGGY'S
User ID: 340476
9/3/2008 9:18 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
JUST LIKE HIS DADDY Mc CAIN II LET THE JEWS TOTALY DETROY AN AMERICAN SHIP. DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495418
9/3/2008 9:18 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Political "Swift Boat" tactics.
The Zuni rocket was fired from an F-4 as the result of an electrical short. Zuni rockets were notoriously unsafe. The carrier Enterprise also had a similar Zuni related accident. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372015
McCain did a wet start to try to scare the guy behind him. The plane behind him caught on fire and as he was leaving his plane he released 2 bombs that went through the flight deck and exploded on the hangar deck. |
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LOU DOBBS
User ID: 340476
9/3/2008 9:19 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I was aboard the Forrestal that day. I was 100' away from McCain's plane when the fire started. An F-4 on the other side of the flightdeck accidently had a Zuni rocket go off. It flew across the deck and hit McCain's A-4. As a result the belly tank fell off, broke open and the JP-4 ran down into the hot Cats and that ignited the fuel. The fire engulfed McCain's plane. He was lucky to get out alive. All you soothsayers who surmise other than the facts should be ashamed of yourselves as you shame the memory of those who died. You are a disgrace to humanity. Quoting: LAIR 272356 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495418
9/3/2008 9:20 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
JUST LIKE HIS DADDY Mc CAIN II LET THE JEWS TOTALY DETROY AN AMERICAN SHIP. DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. Quoting: LOGGY'S DOGGY'S 340476
Bingo. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495418
9/3/2008 9:22 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Dear Knigtus, You Are insinuating I wasn't on the Forrestal The day of the fire. You are an insult to all the men that were there and our shipmates that died that day. People like you who rant and rave about things they know nothing about make me sick. You are so against Mc Cain you would believe any BS you hear to justify your means.He didn't crash 5 planes. One had a flamout,(I did too) One blew up on the Forrestal ( by no fault of his ) and one was shot down while serving heroically in the Vietnam Wall. He was also promoted to Captain and was going to be an Admiral but ran for the senate instead. Get your fact together or shut up. Quoting: evohead 389004
Why was someone that finished 894 out of 899 in his class in a plane to begin with? Pilot slots are only offered to the top 10% of the class.
He should of been a SWO on a small boy. He Dad was hoping Vietnam would of ended before his 3 year of flight training was completed. That is why. |
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LOGGY'S DOGGY'S
User ID: 340476
9/3/2008 10:36 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
 McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was “wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail.
It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him.
The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17061
9/5/2008 2:15 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Most of you are a bunch of crazy loons. It's a shame that people like you are allowed to use your first amendment rights to spout such ignorance.
This entire thread is nothing but a bunch of BS. So, go live in Bangladesh if you hate the United States so much. Everything isn't a conspiracy against you. So, go take your anxiety meds and take a nap or something.
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ABH Senior Chief Retired
User ID: 498063
9/5/2008 10:43 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Wow, this is about the biggest bunch of BS I have ever read, where do you experts get your information? I was stationed on the Forrestal from 84-88. I happened to work for some people who were on the ship during that fire, and yes they were people who fought the fire. One of the 1st killed was a ABH Senior Chief from the Crash Crew.
1. A-4's were never started with exhaust directly pointed on another A/C, or any other A/C for that matter, so any wet start would not have hit any part of another A/C. If such a thing occured, more people than the pilot were fucked up allowing that to happen.
2. The Zuni was a very dangerous rocket with no safety mechanisms to prevent being fired while an A/C is on deck if "armed".
3. The ordies on the Flight Deck, a few days before the fire, started allowing A/C to be taxied to the Catapults from there start spots "armed" to save time(very big mistake, ask any ordie in the Navy).
4. The zuni rocket launched when stray power made its way to the rocket pod during the pre-flight checks.
I didn't read all posts in here, so if someone else already explained this to these goons, I apoligize for writing it again.
This is really comical though, and all these web experts, and conspiracy theorists who have never served a day in their life have just made my day with this one. Fucking idiots. |
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ABH Senior Chief Retired
User ID: 498063
9/5/2008 11:27 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Hey, just went back and read some of the posts, to you guys who were there, thanks for saving the ship, she was still great when I was aboard, although the deck still had some warped areas, always felt like hallowed ground back there, Fly 3 was my first WC as a director.
I worked for the ACHO 84-87, who was the Topside PO, or one of the hook-up guys at the time(can't remember exactly) on Cat 2 during the fire. LCDR by the time I worked for him.
Another one who was there was a V-2 maint Master Chief, not going to post the names, but you guys on the Fligt Deck that day probably passed each other every day back then. True heros saved the Forrestal, and many lessons were learned that day.
Learn or Burn, that was the name of the Training Film. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498077
9/6/2008 1:04 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
McCain's ritual sacrifice to join the club. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 390866 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498077
9/6/2008 1:08 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
WHY WAS MCCAIN REMOVED FROM FORRESTAL WITHIN HOURS OF MISHAP(BY HIMSELF NO OTHER CREWMAN WITH HIM) Quoting: LOU DOBBS 340476
Q. That much is true, so why were injured shipmates left behind in sickbay and the uninjured J.M. airlifted to safety?
A. So the remaining shipmates wouldn't toss the admiral's fortunate son overboard. |
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ABH Senior Chief Retired
User ID: 498063
9/7/2008 11:13 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
WHY WAS MCCAIN REMOVED FROM FORRESTAL WITHIN HOURS OF MISHAP(BY HIMSELF NO OTHER CREWMAN WITH HIM)
Q. That much is true, so why were injured shipmates left behind in sickbay and the uninjured J.M. airlifted to safety?
A. So the remaining shipmates wouldn't toss the admiral's fortunate son overboard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498077
Where are you getting your info that he was flown off before more seriously injured people? He did transfer to another Carrier at some point, and was shot down flying from that ship.
I can tell you when the majority of those who have served in the Military see this type of smear job, with just rumor, and outright lies, all of the social policies you are trying to move forward to make things better for yourselves are damaged in our minds. You are kooks, how can your social policies be worth a damn, or good if you are making up these kinds of things to make your "guy" look better? Hell I don't care who is the President, he doesn't have all the power he is made out to have anyway. Congress is the problem folks. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 503898
9/15/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
What someone was does not mean that is what they are now. Think of yourself in 10 year groupings. Hopefully you've matured and built upon success and learned from failure. I think the same can be said for McCain. If he was a party boy, he is no longer. Can you name someone who has gone on the record with any hint of his unfitness? No other POW. No other politican. No one in Arizona. No one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 269684
His father was a second generation admiral and you expect people to ruin their own careers to fail to get some privileged hot shot in trouble? That sounds unreasonable to me. The record is he destroyed five of his own plains. I won't vote for him based on his war record alone. That and getting into a drinking contest that he couldn't win with H. Clinton demonstrates that he is unfit to run this country due to lack of judgment and prudence. Shot down because he wouldn't listen to the warnings? Does that sound Bushy to you because that is how it sounds over here. |
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knowsenough
User ID: 504255
9/16/2008 2:30 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
I was on the Uss Forrestal during the fire. All you morons trying to blame senator McCain don't have a clue what you are talking about. A "wet start" couldn't have upset the F4 Pilot behind him because there was no F4 pilot behind him. The F4s were on the other side of the flight deck. It was my squadrons aircraft that shot the missle into McCains plane. His exhaust was hanging over the end of the flight deck. Quoting: evohead 389004
You were on the Forrestal, sure you were. I believe you. No one from McCain's campaign would lie! (that was sarcasm by the way) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422489
9/16/2008 2:55 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
Like father like son. Tell fiction enough everyone will believe it. The USS Liberty was a mistake per his father, and I'm supposed to believe USS Forrestal was to.
Can you guys get original in you lies? I'm tired of swallowing basic storyline.
Going down in history as failures at best. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474472
9/25/2008 8:46 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 512287
9/28/2008 12:13 AM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474472
10/2/2008 11:12 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
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Noah
User ID: 518274
10/5/2008 7:06 PM | | Re: McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap? | Quote |
It would only take three witnesses to testify that "McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4" to PERMANENTLY end this moron's career and put him behind bars where he belongs.
It's unbelievable that the jewsmedia picked HIM as their choice candidate--he's got more skeletons in the closet than Frankenstein. Quoting: jacobisrael 376078
Not when your daddy is the admiral ... |
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