McCain to blame for the USS Forrestal mishap?

Political "Swift Boat" tactics.

The Zuni rocket was fired from an F-4 as the result of an electrical short. Zuni rockets were notoriously unsafe. The carrier Enterprise also had a similar Zuni related accident.

How lucky we are that after he jumped out of his plane and began helping to fight the fire, that he was not injured. He did try to help, didn't he?

Smartly, wisely and correctly--he did not. He was not trained for that specialized job and would have been a huge hinderance. You do NOT do someone else's job in the military.

I'm by no means a fan of McCain, but you need to have your facts lined up before going on the offensive. When a fire breaks out on the flight deck, the "Crash and Smash" team are the first to respond. After that are the ship's primary firefighting team, usually called either the Flying Squad or the Nucleus Fire Party. If the fire is bad enough, General Quarters is called, and the entire crew participates in combating the casualty, as either support or relief teams for the fire party. All of the sailors on all the fire parties are enlisted. An officer, especially a pilot, especially from a command separate from the ship (a fighter/attack squadron, for example), will never take direct part in firefighting.

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We had to watch the Forrestal movie in boot camp during fire fighting school. "learn not to burn". Pretty cool actually. They have flight deck cameras that record every minute of flight ops. You get to see all the fuck ups they made. it's a wonder the ship stayed afloat. Lots of explosions.

What commands have you been on? I've been on Theodore Roosevelt and Cole.

Uss Compass Island AG-153
Amphibious Construction Battalion One
USS Racine LST 1179
USS Fort Fisher LSD-40
USS Mount Hood AE-29
USS Okinawa LPH-3

1974-1986

It would only take three witnesses to testify that "McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4" to PERMANENTLY end this moron's career and put him behind bars where he belongs.

It's unbelievable that the jewsmedia picked HIM as their choice candidate--he's got more skeletons in the closet than Frankenstein.

And I quote: "On January 14, 1969, the USS Enterprise, steaming 75 miles southwest of Pearl Harbor, suffered a major fire. In that episode, similar unstable 1000-pound bombs detonated, killing 27 sailors and injuring more than 100. At the time of the Enterprise disaster, the Commander-in- Chief of US Pacific Forces was Adm. John S. McCain, Jr.,Sen. McCain’s father. At the time of the Forrestal disaster, Admiral McCain was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty, on June 8, 1967. The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the ‘family honor’-oriented (McCain’s persona is supported by his book about his father and grandfather, both Navy admirals, titled ‘Faith of My Fathers’) and the ’straight talking’ McCain."

The McCain's did more damage to our military than the Vietcong did in 2 years--and all we call this Manchurian Candidate is "Reverse Ace McCain"?

a traitor to our nation and a psycho mind-controlled demon murderer

As soon as I heard he was on the Forrestal I knew that fire video they made us watch had something to with him. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it is surreal. They kept sending fire team after fire team (just regular crew members after the first few teams roasted) to their death while more and more bombs dropped to the flightdeck

Did you ever think that maybe with all the close calls McCain has had in his life PLUS surviving as a POW--that maybe he was meant to be president at this point in history?

FD Roosevelt (cva-42) here.....

I'm no Mc-manchurian candidate fan either, and would sooner vote dem. But this seems thin...

I was on the Uss Forrestal during the fire. All you morons trying to blame senator McCain don't have a clue what you are talking about. A "wet start" couldn't have upset the F4 Pilot behind him because there was no F4 pilot behind him. The F4s were on the other side of the flight deck. It was my squadrons aircraft that shot the missle into McCains plane. His exhaust was hanging over the end of the flight deck.

No I don't. With all his fuck-ups as a pilot, he was not able to be an admiral like his father and grandfather. That's why he went into politics.

He was a party boy, and a bad student, just like GWB. Don't think this country needs another one like him running the country. Stupid, arrogant and out of touch with reality. With the current crisis this country is facing, I want the best and the brightest in the highest office, don't you?

During the time as a POW it is possible that he was brainwashed and we will find out what his programming calls for once he is elected.

Now that's about as stupid a reason for someone being a president, leading a country! How about some true integrity? Haven't you noticed, when he talks, he doesn't talk to US? Heck, from what I'm reading lately, he avoids anyone he just doesn't want to talk to!

Ever think he might be a little 'off'????

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Yeah, yeah.

Shameless bump. I rate it as plausible.

Not I. The "claim has been made"...by whom? What eye witness came forward publicly?

AC272356 the answer is NO I don't think that is a good reason to put McSame the spoiled GI brat in the presidency.

What someone was does not mean that is what they are now. Think of yourself in 10 year groupings. Hopefully you've matured and built upon success and learned from failure. I think the same can be said for McCain. If he was a party boy, he is no longer. Can you name someone who has gone on the record with any hint of his unfitness? No other POW. No other politican. No one in Arizona. No one.

Ok I figured it out now. You all on the internet convinced me.
McCain has to be to blame! I was on the flight deck on July 29,1967. I saw the Zuni missile fire off the F4 that WAS COMPLETLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLIGHT DECK POINTING AT HIS PLANE !!! McCains plane was on the other side with his EXHAUST HANGING OVER THE SIDE OF THE SHIP. So this must be what happened........He must have jumped out of his own plane,ran over to the F4 and fired a Zuni at his own plane, running back into his plane before the Zuni hit it(very fast runner) OR he turned his plane around on the flight deck with out his engine running, aimed his exhaust on the F4B and did a hot start. Of course no one would have noticed this. I can't believe you people post this drivel and actually believe it.You are either very nieve or just plain ignorant.I was there. I know McCain was only responsible for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.He also was not "wisked off the ship" to save him from crewmen as has been posted on other places. He stayed there just like the rest of us did.

If you were there, were you aware that McCain crashed FIVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR aircraft--that this was just ONE--and got away with it? Do you know any other reverse aces who are allowed to continue to fly after that?

Were you aware that McCain became a pow as a Lt. Cmdr, and came back at the same rank, when he should have been promoted along with his peers, to Captain? Why? What's in his record that he was held back by TWO RANKS that WE don't know about?

Were you aware that he sang like a songbird--making THIRTY EIGHT video tapes for Radio Hanoi, one of which quotes him as having said: "Things are taking place in a favorable opinion. The United States at present seems to be standing alone. So much is its isolation". Can you even imagine the negative effect that had on our troops, on other POWs and on the sheer outcome of the war?

If you WERE THERE, then you were undoubtedly told what would have happened to YOU, according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, had you commited TREASON like that--YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT ON THE SPOT, wouldn't you?

Even IF McCain is just mightily unlucky [and graduating 4th from the bottom out of almost 900 Annapolis graduates indicates something other than bad luck], you don't want him to hold ANY job with an ounce of responsibility, much less continue to be an officer or pilot, much less RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

There's only ONE reason this moron is so "popular" now--his jewish wife is the daughter of a jewish mafia leader, Hensly, who works directly for Bronfman, who is now financing his campaign.

Even those not on the internet realized that there was something really odd about a LOSER like McCain suddenly becoming so "popular" that he's now a serious contender for the presidency. This is a man who receives the support of only FOUR PERCENT of his fellow Senators, 3% in a Post Independent poll, 2% in a CNN poll, 7% in an MSN poll, 1% in a Pajama's Media poll, 0.7% on a Melanie Morgan Poll, 2% on an SV GOP Poll, 1% on a Care Public Poll, ZERO percent on the June 5, 2007 Poll, 1% on a Vote.com Poll, ONE THIRD OF ONE PERCENT on a Topicfy Poll, 6% on an MSNBC poll, 1% on a Worldnet Daily Poll, and 6% on another MSNBC Poll.

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It was exhaust from a starter engine which was blamed for launching the Zuni rocket on the USS Enterprise. Those who want to believe that a hot start couldn't have set off a Zuni rocket have to explain exactly how *exhaust* from a starter engine could have done it. This scene was such a wreck that I'd like to know exactly how they pinpointed the blame on simple exhaust on the Enterprise. AND why they had such dangerous bombs on a carrier which were never intended for that purpose. I was not in the Navy, but I was in the USAF and have a hard time believing such things happened in the Navy without some REAL tough political pressure--like from Admiral McCain.

The McCain's involvement in the USS Liberty, AND the USS Forrestal, AND the USS Enterprise, AND the USS Oriskany, all begin to look like a SERIOUS breach of procedure, to say the LEAST.

Which reminds me.

You can BET that the one video on Youtube which many of us are now familiar with is far from the best video, which raises the question of what happened to all the others which would have illustrated PRECISELY what caused it?

Not only is that the worst video, but it almost appears to have been intentionally damaged to protect the guilty.

And who other than Admiral McCain COULD have, WOULD have, and had a track record for engaging in such sordid acts, all to protect his deviant son.