Australia has apologised to the indigenous peoples. Now it's time for American to do the same to the Native Americans

And... The govenrment should apologize to Americans for lying to us so often.


Stan P.

The knifes not mine. I can't account for its use, but considering the bloke who found it dug it up in a paddock, the fact that its sharp at all is pretty impressive. Not many metal knives survive lying in a paddock for anywhere between 25 and 150 to 200 years.

Their build??? Whats that got to do with it. I played footy with blackfellas for years, the skinniest ones hit as any whitefella twice their size, and move like nothing else. Bullshit skills, can kick and handball with both sides of the body, mark tackle and read the game as well as anyone. Even the ones in terrible environments today, obviously growing up without the sort of healthy diet almost anyone else I know had.

Skinniness BFD. I ran against a 14 year old blackfella who could run 200m in under 22 seconds. 22 fucking seconds and his legs were skinny as my wrists. So much for physical inferiority.

There is still plenty of debate as to what destroyed Australia's megafauna and changed the country. Research by Gilbert Price at QUT certainly points to climate change over human interference as a cause of many extinxtions.

Some dickhead whos only seen the country from a boat reckons he knows the effect of fire on Australia flora??? What a knob.

Many eucalypts are dependant on fire to successfully breed, and the fires in the Victorian Alps over the last few years should be enough to indicate what happens when fuel isn't burnt regularly in Australia. Theres as much evidence suggesting thechanges in vegetation are due to climatic changes as there is to suggest otherwise, possibly more. In a country thats as dry as Australia not burning is regularly is a recipe for disaster.

Eco vandals my arse.

As far as biodiversity and land management goes read this and work it out:

[link to www.wilderness.org.au]

Bump.

And to the Blacks as well.

What do you do if you see an abo woman giving birth?

Call crimestoppers.


How long does it take for an abo woman to have a shit??

Bout nine months.


Whats white and lies in the gutter?

An abo with the shit kicked out of him.


What do you call a hall full of aboriginies going up in flames??

A good start!

What do you call a bus load of abo's going over a cliff with an empty seat?

A waste of space!


Whats black and yellow and goes "AAAHHHHHH"

A cab load of abo's going over a cliff!


Whats black and white and spins around at 300 MPH??

An abo and a seagull fighting over a chip!


Whats black and moves at over 900MPH?

An abo in the simpson trying to keep under the shade of a jumbo jet.


Whats the difference between your average abo and a bucket of stangnant shit?

A bucket has no legs.



More to come later after the shitstorm THIS lot causes settles down.

No, there were no great libraries filled with books when the white man landed, they had recorded their history verbally, musically and in dance.

Once they did learn to read and write, and were given the chance to be published, they did in fact write some. Have a look in a library or a book shop, instead of talking shit.

How much do those ochre smears sell for these days. And aren't they considered the most complex and intricate style of painting in the world today.

Fish hooks? Na, they didn't bother to mine any metal to forge them from. They simply speared the fish, which takes far more skill. Or built their fish traps, as quoted later in the thread. One of which is still in existence and considered to be a marvel of engineering.

They didn't build boats? Well what are those funny dug out tree trunks that they are famous for that you see in the pictures in books.

Someone says later in the thread that they couldn't even make something better than a pointed stick spear as a weapon. Isn't the boomerang considered one of the most ingenious weapons ever devised any longer?

They didn't require alcohol, as their whole lifestyle provided a natural high. Living next door to the some of ignorant twits on this thread who think they are fully eductated about aboriginals would drive anyone to drink!

Pass me some metho, please!

all these are are first hand accounts of European men seeing Aborigines at the earliest part of settlement.

The comments on their physique is just that, you are seeing people for the first time, so you describe them.

The French navy weren't in a position to watch a football game, and they weren't talking about Aborigines after European influence - but before when they were half starved and struggling to survive.

A passage from the Chapter "Westernport to Port Jackson" .....

"I made another excursion into the woods with Simonet. Again I admired the beauty of the eucalypts and killed several birds, but the plants and insects hardly came up to the expectations raised by the first sight of these beautiful places. I would say that the scarcity of both must be due in great part to the frequent burning off carried out by the natives, which each year must kill off many species of plants and insects".

These guys were the explorers of the time, they traveled with naturalists and botanists - so it isn't the same as if you or I got off a boat and talked about the plants.

These early explorers provided the bedrock of our basic understanding of the natural world. First hand knowledge, books and books of copious and detailed notes and drawings fantastic in the minutest of detail. This was the height of the golden scientific age, that crowned western ideals.

"How much do those ochre smears sell for these days"

You are deliberately confusing aboriginals of the post European era with Aboriginals of the pre European era.

No artwork from pre-European era exists.

There are drawings on rocks in the Kimberley and Northern Territory called the "Bradshaws" but these were the work of another culture entirely. They are all a mulberry colour, are very consistent and stylized and they never fade, appearing to be etched by some as yet unknown means into the rocks.

Aborigines tend to paint over these images, obliterating them and it is only when the rain washes away the brown and white paint of the modern aboriginals that you can see what lies underneath.

Aborigines tend to paint a picture people with pronounced genitalia. Every year or so members of the tribe touch up the rock art, add fresh paint - but they don't change the picture as such.

The Bradshaws on the other hand have no genitalia in their pictures, the images are more like Egyptian depictions of people and scenes. Hard to tell men and women apart except for different head dresses or tools carried - indicating a fairly advanced culture.

"They didn't require alcohol, as their whole lifestyle provided a natural high"

Then why did they start drinking then?

If I was living on a natural high, nothing would persuade me to consume something that would make me sick.

what gives you the right to take their land and murder them?

and then rewrite their history with your white bias brainwashed heads?

ever wondered?

"Not many metal knives survive lying in a paddock for anywhere between 25 and 150 to 200 years."

A knife left in a paddock, of course it wouldn't last long iron oxidizes.

Neanderthal man had equipment as well and so did stone age man - that is why we know about them because the stone axes etc don't deteriorate.

Are they are a superior tool for the job at hand - NO. There is a reason mankind has evolved to use more efficient methods.

Your information from a french sailer who merely SAW the aboriginals does not move me, sorry.

The man who wrote "Chariots of the Gods" came to Aussie and went to see the Wanjina paintings. He went away and wrote about how these primative people may have unwittingly recorded evidence of men from space in their paintings.

In a book I read written by aboriginals living in the Kimberlies, one says, well he didn't bother to ask us what they were. We could have told him, they are the Wanjinas, they sky beings. We paint them without having mouths as they don't speak with words, but with thoughts directly from their minds. (Not a direct quote, I don't have the book here to do that. But I do have the picture I photocopied from it, which describes what all of the markings in the painting mean, including the halo around their heads, which Von Daniken surmised was a space helmet.)

When aboriginal people know they are going to die, they simply sit down and wait for it to come. Maybe the ones your sailor described weren't too stupid to move, maybe they were sitting there awaiting death. Maybe they had broken tribal law and had the bone pointed at them. Maybe they were in a meditative state, and once the ship had sailed past, they 'came back to life'.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, made by judgmental and condescending people.

At the risk of repeating myself, I have already stated on other threads, that I have taken part in a couple of their ceremonies, I have gone walkabout on their dreamtime paths, I have encountered and conversed with the ancestral spirits. And all of that was a lot more uplifting and enlightening than any experiences I have had conforming to white societies agendas.

And at my most spiritually enlightened times, I get very thin, because I tend not to eat much during them, dont seem to need much food when you are connected to the universal energies.

>>The French navy weren't in a position to watch a football game, and they weren't talking about Aborigines after European influence - but before when they were half starved and struggling to survive.<<

Why don't you go ask Kevin Sheedy, or his granddad about the football games blackfellas played on the flat between Richmond and Collingwood before settlement, that were still being played up until the mid 1800s?

And while we are at it see how long you last outside a city in a drought. Bet its not too long. You might be better off moving to Europe before we run out of oil.

>>These early explorers provided the bedrock of our basic understanding of the natural world. First hand knowledge, books and books of copious and detailed notes and drawings fantastic in the minutest of detail. This was the height of the golden scientific age, that crowned western ideals.<<

Rubbish, they based their understanding on a European worldview. They might have made good obbservations about what stuff looked like, but the patterns of growth and the relationships between the climate and the flora and fauna wasn't even understood until the mid to late 20th century.

You are deliberately confusing aboriginals of the post European era with Aboriginals of the pre European era.

>>No artwork from pre-European era exists.<<

This is unmitigated bullshit. There is pre European artwork all over the country. What about all the artwork found in the Wollemi in the last 3 years??? For a start.

Your credibility just died in the arse pal. What little you had anyway.

>>Then why did they start drinking then?<<

They probably met you.

More efficient methods for creating tools?

Well possibly, of course the environmental cost of mining is pretty high, so I guess that depends on how you define more efficient. The Nazis evolved some pretty efficient methods of killing didn't they. (And don't even bring up that Holocaust denial bullshit anyone. Even if no Jews died in Nazi germany, which is untrue, but even if none did, there were still as many Rom, Jo-hos, gays, "sub normal" humans, trade unionists and other political enemies of the Nazis that were killed as Jewish people anyway.)

I can begin to understand the anger aborigines might feel about being displaced in the land of Oz on a very small scale, as my mother married a freemason and I was soon forced to move out of my deceased father's home at a young age.
Made quite the difference to my life I can tell you.

Unfortunately, as we have seen, the majority of aussies are blinkered sheeple, who are arrogant and self-satisfied in their comfortable materialist lifestyles, and quite in denial about the ignorance that is fundamental to their core belief systems.

Their biggest concern is the rising price of petrol (gasoline), limiting their ability to gallivant across the countryside in search of more dollars.

This ignorance also afflicts the conventionally 'educated', as certain members of my own family so ably demonstrate. Spacey One's repost also illustrates this.

I can't be sure of course, but I assume a similar situation exists in the US.

I agree that saying sorry for past evils doesn't really mean much, except if it is accompanied by a corresponding attitude change.

Swallowing the red pill and taking off the blinkers is the hardest thing for a sheeple to do.

I'm sorry.

Now stfu

I rest my case...

;-]

Hey! I should get the last word, since I argued the most, lol.

According to Ken Carey, "Return of the Birdtribes" book I think it was: Columbus was divinely drawn to discover the americas, so that europeans could be re-taught by the native americans what they had forgotten. About nature spirits, and that the planet is our earth mother, and a living breathing being. That we have friends and relatives in space. All the things that they forgot when they replaced those beliefs with a belief in the church and governments. That commerce and wealth are not the reasons we came to the planet. The Europeans chose to kill them.

They were given a second chance when Captain Cook was divinely drawn to find this little utopia which had also remained safely out of their awareness for thousands of years. Again, they chose to kill their teachers.

Enough arguing about what happened then, if you can't stand to hear the truth. But once again we are being offered the opportunity to learn. Many of us already have been drawn in this direction. Wake up people - don't make the same mistake again. Don't kill them again with your insults, scorn and ignorance.

When the tribes do the ceremonies in concert in Australia and USA, feel the vibe, watch what happens, open your eyes and send them your support.

OP, maybe this sounds selfish or pig headed of me, but I really don't see why I should apologise for something I didn't do.
Don't get me wrong, I treat native americans as an equal. I treat everyone as an equal. My fiance is even native american. Seminole to be exact. But I am not going to apologise for years of oppression and murder when I wasn't even around for this. I don't condone what happened, but it sure as hell wasn't my fault.

Besides, my ancestors were also raped, killed, forced to "convert", and ultimately oppressed by a bunch of white people too. And my other ancestors were the ones doing the raping and killing. I wonder, should I apologize to myself?

You should actually SB. (Apologise to yourself.)

See you carry your ancestors with you, and unless you reconcile the aggro energy between them it will cause problems in your life. You also carry with you your ancestors that caused harm to others, and unless you recognise that and make some consideration for it, thats another wound in the world that'll go untreated.

Actually, I'm pretty well balanced. I'm not hurt, nor am I angry. And well, I'm actually quite a peaceful person.
I could apologise for what my ancestors did, but I don't see the point considering I'm nothing like them and have never even thought of committing the autracities that they have.

I'm not even pissed at people who have recently called me spic and jewish slut. Doesn't bother me and I don't need an apology from those people. I am exceedingly entertained and quite curious as to what it's like to hate someone because of their race, but other than that, no apology is needed.